Re-Pet a Reality 482
tigerdarklord writes "The Sci-Fi concept of pet cloning has become a commercial venture. Genetic Savings & Clone now not only offers genebanking for your pet (alive or recently dead), but a full service cloning shop. Although they started by producing two clones of the CEO's cat, they have now produced their first commercial clone for a woman from Texas. GSC has modified their cloning procedure to overcome the resemblance issues demonstrated when the College of Veterinary Medicine, Texas A&M, created CopyCat. The technology looks promising but the $50,000 price tag will prove to place the service out of the reach of most pet owners."
I for one (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I for one (Score:4, Funny)
Dolly problems (Score:3, Informative)
If this is the case then that kitten you had cloned from your aging cat will start costing a lot in vet bills and will die at an early age.
Telomeres (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I for one (Score:5, Funny)
Re:More ammo for Osama (Score:3, Funny)
If they are discreet, you wouldn't know about them, would you?
Looking forward to it! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Looking forward to it! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Looking forward to the spinoff technologies (Score:3, Insightful)
Getting cloning out of the hands of a few drug companies who want to profit from the rest of the world's ignorance will create industries and opportunities we can't even imagine today.
Once the pri
Re:Looking forward to the spinoff technologies (Score:2)
I'm trying to come to terms with the fact that medicine will probably become like computer repair in a way, where the doctor will think an organ goes bad, so they'll just replace it instead of performing proper diagnostics. I really can't say if it's bad or good, but it sure sounds creepy. Also, there are a (admittedly, small) number of diseases and ailments that would require the replacement of damn near the whole body. I wonder how that wil
Re:Immortality? (Score:3, Insightful)
I hate that sentement. It's given rise to uncountable generations of children being forced into attempts to live out their parents dreams. I'd find it great if we did live on through our children, but we don't. It'd be even more correct from both a biological, and psychological standpoint to say we live on in surviving siblings. We share much
Re:Immortality? (Score:3, Funny)
No, but it might give some comfort to your wife
Re:Looking forward to it! (Score:5, Interesting)
So if your pet died of old age then the clone will die soon as well because it's DNA is a copy of the old dna with the shortened protein buffers around the edges.
Sexual reproduction solves this by using the redundancy of the two sets of DNA while simpler creatures such as bacteria don't need the hugely complex dna chains of animals and plants.
Link [infoaging.org] for more info.
Re:Looking forward to it! (Score:2)
I wonder (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I wonder (Score:2, Funny)
I tawt I taw a puddy cat... (Score:4, Funny)
More money than brains I guess (Score:5, Insightful)
The technology looks promising but the $50,000 price tag will prove to place the service out of the reach of most pet owners.
... and they get a pet that looks like their deceased pet yet isn't. "Mittens 2.0 scratches my furniture, Mittens 1.0 didn't."
If these people really loved animals and would quit trying to relive the past with a facsimile-pet the $50K (or less) would be better used if donated to a pet shelter for food and sterilization programs. And while they're there they could take home an animal currently on death row.
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:2)
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, they could. Of course, people who loved animals could take the $3000 they spent on a new computer to replace their barely-a-year-old computer and donate it to a pet shelter as well. People spend money. The vast majority of it goes to things that other people think are "wasteful," at least in this country. The only thing that changes is the perspective.
As to the wisdom of spending $50k on a cat - any cat - I'd say that it depends a lot on your overall financial picture.
And as for cloning, well, that's another debate entirely. Two debates actually, one on the ethics of it and another one on the effectiveness. Ah, joy.
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:3, Insightful)
Do you own a microwave?
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:5, Insightful)
...the $50K (or less) would be better used...
The odd thing about money is that it follows a conservation principle... it's never destroyed, it just changes form.
$50k was just liberated from somebody who didn't need it. Half of it went into taxes (on the operation, the materials for the operation, the salaries for the employees etc), the other half was distributed among those who performed the operation.
You could argue that it was a $50k investment towards the practitioners of vetrenary science, which I'm sure bennefits the rest of society somehow.
I have no problem with wealthy people spending money on frivilous things. It does bug me though when they spend it on things which hurt everyone else... like gas-guzzling cars, old growth wood, clothes made from slave labour, stuff like that.
IMHO, the greater harm was done just by creating another cat rather than saving one from a shelter... the $50k is better liberated regardless of how or why... and the harm done isn't that big a deal.
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:2)
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:2)
By spending money, the wealthy are INCREASING the labor resource. If your local Wal-Mart's sales go up 150%, what are they going to do? They are going to hire more laborers to meet the increased demand. DUH!
However, money spent has a ripple effect, like a pebble hitting the surface of water. The money spreads out in a circle, but getting smaller and smaller as it travels out from the source because it is being spread between more and more people.
The reason you aren't rich from rich pe
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:3, Interesting)
Points on flawed logic (Score:2, Insightful)
Your advice assumes the following:
The pet owner actually had their pet as a companion, instead of as a status symbol.
The dead pet isn't a purebred that already costs close to $50k
A cloned pet won't become the SUV like status symbol of the next decade.
Said Pet owner actually loves animals instead of using them as accessories.
People understand that memories and training are NOT part of what's cloned.
People understand that any similarity in behavior between the clo
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:3, Informative)
It actually may not even look like their pet. Often appearance is not identical even with clones, such as in calico cats.
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:2)
They are already cloning people, just are not letting us know!
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:2, Insightful)
It seems to me that it's just a way to stop the grieving process to some extent
Sure, it's natural to want to end personal suffering but the wait for the new animal and the eventual letdown of it not being identical to the clonee can't be healthy either. Grief is a natural part of being human. Yes, it sucks and that's why we have so many people medicated now (Feel Good Forever!)
When my cat (Baby, 13 year old silver tabby I found as a wee kitten) dies, I know I'll be devastated. But having a Baby 2.0 run
Re:More money than brains I guess (Score:3, Insightful)
Exactly. Having Pet Dog V2 running around would just be a constant reminder of V1. Your pet dies, you deal with it. I have lots of pet dogs and it never ever ever gets easier, but death is an important part of life.
Is the RIAA ok with this? (Score:5, Funny)
Someone better check with the RIAA to make sure that this does not violate the DMCA.
Re:Is the RIAA ok with this? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Is the RIAA ok with this? (Score:2)
"CopyCat Stevens Kicked Off Flight Because Of US No-Fly List"
This should solve a dilemma (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:This should solve a dilemma (Score:3, Insightful)
Identical twins have existed throughout history, and yet the controversy still persists. This is hardly likely to provide any conclusive evidence.
Re:This should solve a dilemma (Score:2)
Re:This should solve a dilemma (Score:2)
Let me clarify that... Lat week my neighbor presented this theory while explaining why her cat would come over to my place and inspect all the goings on. It's not the first time I've heard that. Sort of like the bored kids that come over to play on my MAME cocktail cab.
Re:This should solve a dilemma (Score:3, Insightful)
A better question to ask is how delusional the client is.
Look, my partner I have a cat (or maybe vice-versa). We're damned fond of her, and we like to pretend we understand her, but we're both smart enough to know that our perception of her personality is massively garbled by the fact that we're human and she's not. There is no friggin' way that this woman's
Re:This should solve a dilemma (Score:2)
$50,000.... (Score:4, Funny)
I'll just go down to the pound and get a pet for $20 to piss all over the carpet, thanks.
Re:$50,000.... (Score:2)
That's what I'd do, and pocket the other $49,980. Maybe pay half to an "independent" 3rd party run DNA tests to confirm the clone.
More pets please (Score:2)
Re:More pets please (Score:2)
Hef has Playmates. [playboy.com] Bob Guccione has Pets. [penthoust.com]
Re:More pets please (Score:2)
Hef has Playmates. Bob Guccione has Pets.
All are mammals.
Re:More pets please (Score:2)
Remember the Last time (Score:2)
sometimes dead is better
Yes, but... (Score:2, Insightful)
Not getting what they pay for - your cat is DEAD (Score:2, Insightful)
Stupid HTML filters ate my clause (Score:2)
Prosecution (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Prosecution (Score:2)
However, the one major problem with a clone of a human is that the clone would still be many years younger. If I got cloned now, I might have to worry about this in around 14 or more years but not before.
Re:Prosecution (Score:2)
Simply collect a sample from whatever poor schmuck you want to frame (hair, spit, blood, mucous, whatever), spray a squirt bottle full of his DNA all over a black leather glove cleverly left behind at the scene, then just add Ito.
Out of reach? (Score:2)
Sure.... (Score:2)
Genetic Savings & Clone (Score:5, Funny)
I mean, it would be stupid in a science fiction story, but to actually operate under that name has to earn some points.
I'm going to enter the equine cloning market (Score:2, Funny)
Mortality (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyway, this is still a clone -- it's a different "instance" of the original animal (even if it's made via a copy constructor.) It won't have "genetic memory" of its new owner, it will be a completely different pet. Why spend $50,000? Why not spend $100 at the pound, or a few hundred from a quality breeder, or even a "FREE KITTYS" from a farm?
I see this as only catering to the clinically insane. The rich, clinically insane, but insane nonetheless. Oh, well, I suppose if there's cash to be made, why not make it? ...
No, it's not that (Score:2)
Well, I've had (adn have) pets that I'd like another one form the same template. One of my cats, Forte, is by far the smartest cat I've ever had. He's also very friendly, playful, and personable. Now all my cats are generally friendly, because all the humans they meet are nice and caring towards them. Howe
Re:Mortality (Score:2)
But we've never become "disciplined" enough to accept disease and premature death. We fight against child mortality; we fight against polio and smallpox and AIDS. We oppose everything which takes away that most precious gift, life.
Why not oppose death itself? Is it truly more "disciplined" to accept death?
Re:Mortality (Score:3, Insightful)
Witness religion, countless billions of men who are so bent on not-dying they've invented fairy tales about how death really isn't.
As for cloning, I couldn't agree with you more. What you are getting is at best the equivalent of a twin of your old animal. Twins, even identical twins, can be very dif
Re:Mortality (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Mortality (Score:2)
So what you're saying is...
oh wait... that would just make the new cat point to the old cat's memory.... I guess the analogy only goes so far. :-P
And, as
Re:Mortality (Score:2)
I have noticed a rampant bias against Jean-Baptiste Lamarck [wikipedia.org] here on Slashdot.
My only consolation is in knowing that few here will breed, thus preventing this prejudice from carrying on. :D
Re:Mortality (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, people that buy weird things must be insane. /sarcasm
Oh, well, I suppose if there's cash to be made, why not make it?
"Why not indeed!?!" -Bender /humorous quotes
1. Is this stupider than feeding the original cat caviar three meals a day? It's their money.
2. "Diciplined" people accept death? I never thought of 'diciplined' and 'wussy' as synonyms.
3. When vets/genetic researchers/Jurassic
Re:Mortality (Score:3, Insightful)
See B. Bilger's The Last Meow (Score:2)
While there's lots of gasping about the price tag, there's no question that there are customers out there. See Burkhart Bilger's The Last Meow [envirolink.org] -- and no, it's not a joke article!
Re:See B. Bilger's The Last Meow (Score:2)
Obligatory Animal Rescue Link (Score:2)
There are millions of already-born animals that are dieing to be adopted. Literally. I wish some of this research money would be spent on population control of pets (i.e. free spaying and neutering) so we wouldn't have to put so many unwanted pets to death.
Here's where you can find pet adoption [creatures.com] info for the state of Texas. Google for your own region [google.com].
Re:Obligatory Animal Rescue Link (Score:2)
Re:Obligatory Animal Rescue Link (Score:2)
But how long will it live? (Score:5, Interesting)
People who read about cloning don't realize that the cloned cells have shortened telomeres [wikipedia.org]. The Telomere acts as a cap to protect DNA as its copied. As cells reproduce, the telomere gets shorter and shorter until the DNA isn't protected anymore and you start seeing aging diseases.
Sure, this cat looks like a kitten, but at a cellular level, it's still an aged cat. It may not have much longer to live than its twin did if it lived out the rest of its natural life.
This is exactly what happened to Dolly the sheep [wellesley.edu]. Dolly lived to be 6, about half the age of an average sheep. [thelabrat.com]
Not just telomeres, but DNA methylation states (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:But how long will it live? (Score:2)
Symbol of our society (Score:3, Insightful)
No, just another example flagrant consumption -- commodity fetishism at its worst. Even life has a price for those who can afford it. As other have pointed out, $50,000 could have helped relieve a lot of suffering for people and animals alike.
Looked at another way, its just another example of our society's pathological fear of death. The Egyptians also had an major death fear/fetish and they even mumified their pet cats once in a while -- but at least they buried them!
And American soldiers are dying by the score to help preserve that way of life. Another sad day for the planet.
Worth it? (Score:2, Interesting)
I had a blue tabby cat for 18 years. He was dear to me. Losing him hurt like hell.
After a year of waiting, I got a new cat, this one a long haired calico. She's totally different than my old cat. There's things she doesn't do that my old cat did - and I miss those things. She brings new and different joys into my life. I have come to treasure her for who she is.
In a way I believe cloning dimini
Disposable Pets (Score:2)
I have three cats at home, and I love them dearly. Being able to get another copy of them wouldn't make them as special.
Insert Socially Repsonsible message here (Score:2)
I commend them for the science, but abhor the stupid commercialism of this.
No amount of money is too much (Score:2)
I had a Roughneck Monitor (Varanus Rudicolis) that was my companion through all kinds of life experiences. He died unexpectedly and I was devastated.
I would give anything to be able to have him back, this news comes about 4 years too late, but I can only see benefits to this program.
to all the nay-sayers out there... (Score:4, Interesting)
My wife actually cultured the cells that they used for CC. All very cool, and all as a 485 class she was doing for her senior honors thesis (in undergrad!).
ok, now that that is out of the way...
My wife is interested in conservation medicine (which she will be studying after finishing her DVM). When she began the actual work that yielded CC, I can tell you she wasn't doing it as a horrible person. When we got the cat we have, we picked one that had been taken back to the pound 3 times, and was going to be killed. However...for the proceedure/technology to be perfected, it needs to be *used*. For us to figure out how to mitigate the cloning problems for the purposes of endangered species, we have to have a large test pool - like people's pets. And if people pay for it, helping offset the research cost - all the better. There just isn't enough real money out there available in grants without commericializing it for supplimental income.
Just a little background for the teeming masses. Not everyone involved in this stuff are terribly people that ignore the rights of cats and dogs in pounds to have happy homes. Quite contrary, really - my wife could have taken her undergrad degrees and made more with them in human applications than she will after she gets her 2 graduate degrees (DVM and PhD). There's no money in it, for the most part. Most of these people (no, not all) have at least some degree of conservation background.
Re:to all the nay-sayers out there... (Score:2)
Just a little background for the teeming masses. Not everyone involved in this stuff are terribly people that ignore the rights of cats and dogs in pounds to have happy homes....
What you said.
Plus one more comment...
This is still America, the last time I looked. People should be able to spend their money any
Cool science, pathetic people (Score:2)
In the meantime, I think that money might be better spent on a psychiatrist for this woman. Death is a part of the life cycle - deal with it you loser. Death is nothing to be afraid of, nothing to be mourned for too lon
Re:Cool science, pathetic people (Score:2)
Ah, but it's her money that is paying the way. I think you should consider who pays for all your "extremely cool" technology. Normally it's the man (or woman) on the street who just put down a TON of cash on something that you laugh at, or at least laugh at the price tag. Without these people where would the funding for more R&D come from.
Still don't like the concept? Simple, don't buy it.
I would like to clone my pecker (Score:2)
Animals are not humans (Score:2)
Just my thoughts.
Re:Animals are not humans (Score:2)
No thinking went in to your post.
I'll just tell people that my cat is cloned. (Score:2)
Sign Me Up.... I Want My Charlie Back! (Score:2)
Two days ago my cat was killed by a driver who did not bother to even stop after the accident. We did not know about the accidnt until a boy came knocking on our door; he found the cat and used the address on the name tag to find the owner. When my mom arrived to the scene, she saw a pool of blood and the cat. Charlie was barely breathing; it tried to lick my mom and purr but died shortly aftewards. Every single bone in his body was broken. Now, I am extremely pissed at the mother fucker who was speeding
Re:For future reference... (Score:2)
Now at least we'll have some options open when the "Stephen King's Dead" posts are true.
Inevitably the same (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Unethical (Score:2)
Cool. And buy a $500 car while you're at it - oh, and no new computer equipment for at least five years. Et cetera. In this culture, most money is spent on things that many other people consider "wasteful," no matter who's spending it.
Re:Unethical (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Unethical (Score:2)
Re:Unethical (Score:2)
Re:Unethical (Score:2)
Re:A hot girl's DNA (Score:5, Funny)
Why do you think the first thing the Scottish scientist cloned was a sheep?
A girrrrllllll sheep...
This is going to be the best prom EVER!
You're getting confused... (Score:4, Informative)
Go on! Mod me flamebait!
Re:Two Words (Score:2)
"Hey... Jellomizer... They can't see you winking from a text/html only post"
Re:My pet is going to heaven (Score:2)
But hey I think they get the better deal...
Ahh... sweet sweet oblivion.
Re:My pet is going to heaven (Score:2)
Re:Cloning is playing God (Score:2)
There is a reason the Amish don't serve jury duty.
"Judge not lest ye be judged."
Heed my words.