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Asteroid Flies Under the Radar, Literally 385

mrn121 writes "Space.com is reporting that a 16-foot wide asteriod has passed the Earth in a phenomenally close call. The Asteroid, named 2004 YD5, passed just below the 22,300 mile range where geostationary satellites sit. What makes the incident most interesting is that the asteriod was not seen until after it passed the Earth, due to the well-known Cosmic Blind Spot caused by the Sun."
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Asteroid Flies Under the Radar, Literally

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  • First post (Score:5, Insightful)

    by IO ERROR ( 128968 ) * <errorNO@SPAMioerror.us> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:51PM (#11164189) Homepage Journal
    Asteroids this small, if they were to enter the atmosphere, would break up and the pieces would burn up on entry. Little or none of it would reach the ground in any form you could recover it.

    The asteroids that are large enough to do damage can be seen far away enough that the cosmic blind spot is irrelevant. The article mentions a 2.9 mile wide asteroid (which would quickly wipe out all life on the planet [nationalgeographic.com] if it hit) which scientists have known about for years. It won't come anywhere close.

    At the moment, we have no defense against a planet-killing asteroid, but the European Space Agency [esa.int] is studying the issue [cnn.com], and NASA's Deep Impact [nasa.gov] project is also working on it.

    • by i_want_you_to_throw_ ( 559379 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:56PM (#11164228) Journal
      Four small groups of dedicated astronomers in Arizona and California, totaling fewer than the number of employees at an average fast-food restaurant and using mostly off-the-shelf equipment for their telescopes, have been mapping the heavens and steadily adding to the number of known near-Earth objects. The article from TIME is here [slashdot.org]

      Something more dedicated to this would make everyone feel better probably
    • Asteroids this small, if they were to enter the atmosphere, would break up and the pieces would burn up on entry. Little or none of it would reach the ground in any form you could recover it.

      Doesn't that depend on the asteroid's composition?
    • Re:First post (Score:5, Informative)

      by Laivincolmo ( 778355 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:01PM (#11164268)
      NASA's Deep Impact is going to impact a comet to study the composition of it. If sucessful the impact will create a crater on the surface. It has little to do with breaking up asteroids.

    • At the moment, we have no defense against a planet-killing asteroid

      Bikini Atoll [bikiniatoll.com] might argue otherwise.

      Seriously, if there are any Nuke-E guys out there [who would know what they're talking about] - what would be the effect of outer space detonation? Within the atmosphere, much of the damage to structures is caused by the shock wave travelling through the atmosphere - but, of course, in outer space, there is no atmosphere.

      If you were to detonate on an asteroid, would [the 50% of the total] radiation t

      • by BrianH ( 13460 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:21PM (#11164435)
        Correct, a nuke detonated against an asteroid could conceivably break it up or change its course. It's just a shame that we don't have a delivery system with the range, speed, or accuracy needed to actually HIT an incoming asteroid.
        • by SuperBigGulp ( 177180 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:49PM (#11164619)

          Wrong. We have have an accurate delivery system in the form of Clint Eastwood, Tommy Lee Jones, Donald Sutherland, and James Garner [imdb.com].

          If we need a second chance, maybe they can get Lance Bass.

      • by SonicBurst ( 546373 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:25PM (#11164464) Homepage
        OK, I am totally guessing here and I'm sure I'm so far wrong it is funny, but I'll still say it anyway.... You point out that there wouldn't be any atmosphere. So, much less shockwave, since there isn't much there to carry it. However, the physical energy released by the bomb must go somewhere. Would it not be *more* focused on the asteroid, since it is the most available medium? Please don't flame me too bad for this wild speculation :)
        • Yes, marginly more enegy would be imparted to the asteroid, but less kinetic energy. I imagine a good chunk of the asteroid would vapourize, and the resulting out gassing would give it a kick.

          To really do any good, one would drive the warhead into the asteroid before detonation

          • by ozmanjusri ( 601766 ) <aussie_bob@hoMOSCOWtmail.com minus city> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @10:30PM (#11164896) Journal
            To really do any good, one would drive the warhead into the asteroid before detonation

            No, that would just break it up and make it worse. Some fragments might be accelerated sideways enough to miss the earth, but more will be accelerated forward or backward along the asteroid's current path. The result would be like being hit by shotgun blasts as the earth rotated through the asteroid fragments.

            The total energy imparted to the planet by the asteroid would remain the same, but it would be spread over a greater area.

            A better idea would be to use a stand-off blast where the nuke is detonated alongside the asteroid to give it a sideways shove and deflect it whole, but even this would be extremely inefficient, and you'd need to identify the trajectories very early.

            NB, to the grandparent poster, the fact that the asteroid is the only object in the vicinity of the explosion would have no affect on the amount of energy it receives.
  • Hmm (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:52PM (#11164195)
    Someone wants us dead.

    Sounds like we need to send an exploratory force out towards the sun to find out who the bastards are! Maybe they're on venus or mercury or somethin.

    Oh wait. We don't _have_ an exploratory force. Oh well, guess we'll just have to be sitting ducks.

    Or hope this was just a freak coincidence.

    Sounds like a plot for a new movie...

    • Someone wants us dead.

      Um, no. But it is strange, from TFA:

      This has been an interesting year for asteroid encounters.
      On March 18, a giant boulder about 100 feet (30 meters) wide passed just above the orbits of geostationary satellites

      One just above... one just below. Now of course it's an infinitesmal probability, but theoretically an asteroid could take out, say BSAT-2c, NSTAR, or one of the Galaxy series. I wonder if it's a serious threat (I doubt it however, ESD from keV plasmasheets pose a mor

    • So no, they won't be "liberated".
    • After all, they are nice and look after our rovers [news.com.au].
    • Someone wants us dead.

      Today, we were told MS can't have their media player included in Europe.

      I think I even know who the asteroid was directed for.

      And this is also proof that we, or at least some companies, have contact with aliens.
  • by Timesprout ( 579035 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:53PM (#11164204)
    I'd rather not see it coming.
    • If the Earth was going to be devastated tomorrow and the chances of me and mine surviving were next to zero then I'd rather spend the time I had left doing something important to me than going to work.

      And, no by "something important to me" I don't mean playing EverQuest.
  • true but (Score:2, Interesting)

    it could have taken out a satellite by chance
    • Re:true but (Score:2, Informative)

      by Tablizer ( 95088 )
      it could have taken out a satellite by chance

      The chances of something that large hitting a given satellite is probably only a bit more than it hitting you. It is a bit more because it may burn up by the time it reaches the ground. There are 5+ billion people and probably only around 2000 active satellites. Assuming such a rock has about a 50/50 chance of making it to the ground without vaporizing, then it is far more likely to hit a person than a satellite.

      (5,000,000,000 * 0.5 * 0.5) / 2000 = 62,500
    • Re:true but (Score:3, Informative)

      by Shanes ( 141586 )
      As others have pointed out the chances for that hapening are very remote, but anyway, here's an interesting graphic [hohmanntransfer.com] showing the 2004 YD5's position when passing compared to all Low Earth, GPS, and geosynchronous sats. As the page says, it passed 1.88 earth radii from the orbit of GPS satellite BIIA-19 [tbs-satellite.com].
  • by ChuckleBug ( 5201 ) * on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:55PM (#11164217) Journal
    My God, we're doomed! I mean, if an asteroid too small to hit the surface can go undetected, how will we blast it out of the sky with our Planetary Orbital Defense Network?

  • Material Make Up (Score:2, Interesting)

    by LabRat007 ( 765435 )
    Does anyone know if an asteroid of this size could make landfall if made of the proper materials. Such as nickle, lead or other make up?
  • by agent dero ( 680753 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:55PM (#11164220) Homepage
    While that does kind of suck that we had no idea of it before it passed "close" by, one has to ask, does it matter if we see it coming or not?

    If an asteroid does head for us, will it matter if we see it coming or not? Or will the grandiose idea presented in "Armageddon" be employed (despite being cool as hell.)

    Personally, i'd rather be blindsided by a sixteen-wheeler, than sit by and see it head towards me for hours/days/weeks.
  • Let's see (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Linguica ( 144978 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:56PM (#11164225)
    The diameter of the earth is about 8,000 miles, so take the globe on your desk (you have one, right?) and imagine an object a little less than 3 diameters away...
    • And the size of a grain of salt....or probably less, depending on the size of your globe.
    • imagine an object a little less than 3 diameters away...

      ...that is too small to see with the naked eye...

    • Re:Let's see (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Do you think that, if a meteorite with a diameter of 0.24 mm would hit a 30-cm wide globe at a speed of 0.35 mm/sec, this would destroy most form of life on this planet ?

      Yes.

      This is the exact reduced model representing the 10-km wide meteorite that hit the Yucatan Peninsula 65 million years ago at a speed of about 54000 km/h, creating the 170-km wide Chicxulub crater, and caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

      Impressive, isn't it ?
  • 16-foot ASTEROID? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:57PM (#11164235) Homepage Journal
    Heck, I've seen BOULDERS bigger than that (if you ever visit Central Oregon, the High Desert Museum has one about that size sitting on top of a car- it's pumice obviously). That ain't no asteroid, that's a meteor.
    • Re:16-foot ASTEROID? (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Pedantic Man to the rescue!

      You meant meteoroid, not meteor. A meteoroid is a solid body, moving in space (not in atmosphere), that is smaller than an asteroid and larger than a speck of dust. It becomes a meteor when it enters a planetary atmosphere (and meteoroids almost invariably burn up on atmospheric entry).

      Pedantic Man, away!
    • by Animaether ( 411575 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:05PM (#11164311) Journal
      Just to correct something...

      Asteroid:
      Any of numerous small celestial bodies that revolve around the sun, with orbits lying chiefly between Mars and Jupiter and characteristic diameters between a few and several hundred kilometers. Also called minor planet, planetoid.
      I.E. still in space and orbiting.

      Meteor:
      A bright trail or streak that appears in the sky when a meteoroid is heated to incandescence by friction with the earth's atmosphere. Also called falling star, meteor burst, shooting star.
      I.E. that which is shooting through the atmosphere, heating it and itself up in the process due to friction.

      Meteoroid:
      A solid body, moving in space, that is smaller than an asteroid and at least as large as a speck of dust.
      I.E. still in space, not necessarily orbiting, smaller than an Asteroid. I think you meant this one.

      Meteorite:
      A stony or metallic mass of matter that has fallen to the earth's surface from outer space.
      I.E. Fallen onto the Earth. It's what you may find if you're either lucky, or very observant.

      So just to conclude.. this is indeed a Meteoroid, as it's not big enough to actually be an Asteroid. But it's more fun to say, and less confusing to the masses - especially the Nintendo owners out there.
  • by EmbeddedJanitor ( 597831 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:59PM (#11164245)
    How people love to play on our fears to get power, money etc.:

    Church: "Give us your money and listen to us or you BURN IN HELL!"

    DOE: "Give us your money etc or YOU'LL RUN OUT OF GAS!"

    NASA: "Give us your money or YOU'LL GET KILLED BY AN ASTEROID!"

  • Here's something we know will come and that has a destructive potential far greater than anything in our arsenals. It would foster global cooperation since all nations are potential targets, and it wouldn't create an arms race. An asteroid shield seems like a better way to spend all those money that goes into missile shield defense.
  • Dupe (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    See? [slashdot.org]
  • Yay... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Scrab ( 573004 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:02PM (#11164279)
    Stealth Asteroids....

    I'm not worried though.

    I have my teeny triangular space ship, and I'll destroy it before it becomes a problem....
  • The opposite of "literal" is "figurative" and "fly under the radar" seems to have been used in a figurative, not literal sense.

    The blind spot that prevented us from seeing the asteroid appears to be a blind spot in the literal sense -- meaning that it prevented us from seeing the rock with optical telescopes, or with our own eyes. I do not believe that the article says that radar was trained on the area, or that the blind spot interfered with said radar.

    Additionally, if I read the article correctly, th

  • End of the world chart in true scientific fashion - a website dedicated to tracking asteroid collision paths - a 'solution' euphamistically means 'striking the earth' http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/crt.htm#news
  • RTFA, mrn121!!! (Score:2, Informative)

    by JonLatane ( 750195 )
    The asteroid was not 16 feet wide.

    According to the article, "the object, now named 2002 EM7, was probably between 40 and 80 meters (130-260 feet) in diameter" and was capable of flattening a whole city.

  • WARNING! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Spy der Mann ( 805235 ) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `todhsals.nnamredyps'> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:08PM (#11164347) Homepage Journal
    Asteroids may be closer than they appear.
  • I knew people from planet Apple were almost as dedicated as people from planet Penguin, but I didn't think they wanted to destroy poor peace-loving Microsoft and its fledgling earth colony *that* much.

    Er, what do you mean I've confused the stories? The Asteroid [slashdot.org] is for the Mac, right?

  • Speaking of asteroids... I've heard somewhere that the burning of objects that enter the atmosphere being caused by friction is a misconception. Instead, it's actually heating caused by the immense air pressure that's created when an object moves fast enough through air. Is this true?
  • My slashdot fortune cookie:

    "This is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. And now you know why."
  • by zanderredux ( 564003 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:17PM (#11164408)
    how is it well known?

    I've never heard of it, until today!

    • The worst thing about the cosmic blind spot is that it's contagous. If you look at it long enough, the entire UNIVERSE disappears from view!
    • It's known by people who work in the field. There are several other blind spots in astronomy, though:

      1) the moon (although the moon itself is only ~0.5" across, telescopes need to stay far away from it...
      2) the earth (jokingly for earth-based stuff, serious for space telescopes)
      3) the galactic plane (unless of course you're looking at stuff in the galactic plane...)
      4) andromeda (it's friggin huge!)
  • by adam31 ( 817930 ) <adam31 AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:21PM (#11164437)
    But many near misses by small asteroids likely go unnoticed

    I think the Slashdot effect is very similar...
    submit a story, it gets rejected, and a server admin sleeps quietly through the night.

    One day... Mr Beer-Powered Robot Man. Just keep that site running......

  • by respite ( 320388 )
    Is it just me, or does it seem like we have one [space.com] of [space.com] these [space.com] each [space.com] month.

    Are they becoming more frequent, or is it that we can monitor them more effectively now.
  • Literally (Score:5, Insightful)

    by UnpopularOpinion ( 839794 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:54PM (#11164641)
    So... when you say 'literally', you mean 'metaphorically' right? As in not literally under a radar... *sigh*
  • by Brad1138 ( 590148 ) <brad1138@yahoo.com> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @10:03PM (#11164716)
    Homer: "So there's a commet. Big deal. It'll burn up in our atmosphere and whatever's left will be no bigger than a Chihuahua's head."
    Bart: "Wow, dad. Maybe you're right."
    Homer: "Of course I'm right. If I'm not may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

  • Is this a problem? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by HarveyBirdman ( 627248 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @10:14PM (#11164802) Journal
    This is like worrying about that dust particle that almost hit me when I was walking out to my var Monday.

    We don't have to spot the 16 footers.

  • by also aswell ( 781190 ) on Thursday December 23, 2004 @12:27AM (#11165486) Journal

    It was back in maybe 1965/66? Dark night with no moon, playing an away game of jv football in Albemarle? NC.

    That sucker arced across 20% of the sky with a really orange red tail and exploded. Almost looked like dawn was coming, I waited for sound, started counting off seconds to range it's distance, but no sound ever came.

    Just for a moment I thought it was the Russians, but that's another story.

    Something I will never forget.

    And some asteroids come even closer, entering the atmosphere. Most never reach the ground because they break apart under the stress of entry. One study [space.com] of data collected by U.S. military satellites logged 300 in-air asteroid explosions.

  • by FleaPlus ( 6935 ) on Thursday December 23, 2004 @12:53AM (#11165657) Journal
    It's interesting to note that when Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY) tried to introduce a bill to provide additional funding for tracking near-earth asteroids, he was mocked [spacepolitics.com] by some of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's aides. In general, supporting things like this (even though they're actually pretty important) is a good way to get yourself targeted for "not caring about things here on Earth."
  • by moosesocks ( 264553 ) on Thursday December 23, 2004 @01:22AM (#11165782) Homepage
    scientists have also acknowledged the presence of a second, nearly identical asteriod trailing directly behiDFJAFNDFK DJF *#%*# *****NO CARRIER*******

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