New Advances Bring Fusion Closer to Reality 785
An anonymous reader writes "The Christian Science Monitor reports on new advances in nuclear fusion research. For years we've been waiting for the technical breakthroughs that would make cost-effective fusion energy a reality. Are we getting close, or are the problems insurmountable?"
Years away (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Years away (Score:5, Funny)
I think you mis-spelled "Duke Nukem Forever".
Re:Years away (Score:5, Funny)
* At least until the sun finishes its main phase
Re:Years away (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Years away (Score:5, Insightful)
I will never understand where this hyper cynicism comes from. On one hand our "evil rulers" will do anything to make a buck. On the other hand they will not do something that will save trillions of bucks because they don't want to lose influnence and power.
It's a stupid way to go through life and precludes rational analysis of real political actions and motives.
Re:Years away (Score:3, Insightful)
Exactly right. As another poster said, fusion scales up not down. To be cost-effective, a fusion plant using currently known science needs to be huge. That implies huge levels of investment, labor and organizational structure. Think Hoover Dam, not rooftop solar. Not something a small country
Re:Years away (Score:3, Insightful)
The reason we don't have personal electric rail is largely due to the infrastructure problem. We have a staggering amoung of infrastructure geared towards our problem-laden traction-propelled human-guided noncooperative road system. The real needed factor is not cheaper power
Re:Years away (Score:5, Interesting)
This glib statement seriously underestimates the achievements in this area in the past few years. We have gone from doubts as to whether controlled fusion could ever be achieved to a point where we are working on stabilising the reaction to the level where it produces commercial results.
And by the way, the classic quote was '50' years, not 15!
Re:Years away (Score:5, Insightful)
Our goal should be to have commercially useful fusion energy in operation by the end of the 21st century. It's vital, but not easy, for the public to support such long-term goals. That's particularly true when we can't visualize the links in the chain that will connect now with then.
The actual breakthroughs that make energy power cheap and safe are likely to come closer to the end of the century, and we can't imagine what they might be. Still, we must support constant inquiry and scientific research to create the fertile conditions for breakthrough discoveries.
The only reservation I have about supporting big science is a serious one. Money should go for science, not to feed the egos of the pricipals. The bigger the project, the harder it is to assure that.
Yeah, tritium's too rare. (Score:5, Insightful)
Granted, they do have fusion -- but not practical fusion.
But to prove his statement, he pointed out how expensive it is to generate tritium for the DT reaction, and how little there is.
If we're ever going to have practical fusion, it's going to be cold fusion. Use a molecule with an explosive bond that shoves two other molecules on a predefined pathway into a range where you get a 1% chance of reaction between two hydrogen nuclei, by tunnelling, and you could do it.
But that would take a pretty complicated and well-designed molecule.
There may be some ways of doing it once we have better molecular manufacturing, but as for right now, cold fusion is also dead.
For that matter, unless we're using it in space, I hope they don't get cold fusion.
To quote Don Lancaster (www.tinaja.com), if anyone finds a free energy source and manufactures it without also providing a free energy sink, they'll be the worst criminal in human history. Oh, and our planet will glow like a star too.
I think the proper solution to our energy problems needs to be wind and wave. Those take care of the energy source/sink problem. Sorry, just my two cents.
Re:Yeah, tritium's too rare. (Score:4, Informative)
The first wall will contain lithium, which can transmute to T when bombarded by the fast neutrons generated by the fusion reactions. For more info, see Boeing's [boeing.com] blurb on the shield/breeding blanket designs [boeing.com].
Of course, with improving technology, higher beta (a measure of fusion plasma confinement capability), and hotter plasmas, D-T can be forsaken for other reactions. :)
Re:Yeah, tritium's too rare. (Score:3, Informative)
Um, what is an "explosive bond"? I'm sorry but this can never happen. First energy is released when bonds are FORMED, not broken. Second, any chemical reaction concievable can never initiate fusion of nuclei, the difference in energy scales (per atom) between chemical bonds (electromagnetic force)
Re:Years away (Score:4, Insightful)
Uh...Solar power anyone?
The sun powers solar power, Fusion powers the sun.
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Re:Years away (Score:5, Interesting)
If only they'd listen (Score:2, Funny)
One day I'll be famous.
Of course we will! (Score:4, Funny)
According to this documentary [imdb.com], we'll have fusion powering our homes and cars within 10 years.
Re:Of course we will! (Score:3, Informative)
The CSM is actually a very respectable news source, and not especially influenced by CS ideology. It's no more about CS than The Economist is strictly about economics, or the New York Times is just about things that happen in New York.
"Splitting atoms" (Score:3, Informative)
What I object to, though, is the insinuation that we are the ones splitting the nuclei of the radioactive elements. These things are radioactive precisely because of their tendency to decay and in fact split themselves. They don't even split into other elements. You can't turn uranium into gold, for example, even though it ought to be a straightforward process of splitting off the required number of protons from each atom (if the "we're splitting atoms" camp claims are correct).
We use the heat generated by the decay of radioactive elements to fuel our generators. We do nothing like smashing atoms into smaller bits.
Just a pet peeve of mine whenever I see a nuclear power article.
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:4, Insightful)
I completely agree with you , but try telling that to the kneejerk reaction anti nuclear fanatics who can't see the wood for their own foolishly planted trees. Mind you, I've met some of these people and half of them couldn't even spell "radioactivity" never mind tell you what it was. They work purely on a fevered emotional level and no amount of rational discussion will convince them otherwise. They are the same sorts of people who dunked old women in ponds back in the 17th century because they talked to their cat and someone got ill in the village shortly afterwards.
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2, Funny)
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2, Funny)
Hey, now that one's a fair cop.
KFG
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:3, Informative)
I was having a discussion with my wife and several friends a few nights ago, and the topic turned to energy concerns. I was amazed to find that I was the only person in the room who wasn't opposed to nuclear power plants, but then I remembered that I was the only person in the room with an engineering background and anything more than a high school physics class under my belt. I sh
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2, Insightful)
To have any sort of industrial area near your house lowers the property value significantly. Even if there were no pollution, you'd have to make the concession of having a big, honking nuclear power plant right next door with its hundreds of employees showing up every morning in their cars or on the bus and generally crowding the roadways in your area.
No, keep the power plants somewhere else far away from the
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:4, Interesting)
there are no satisfying solutions on how to deal with that waste IMO/AFAIK.
Put it in torpedos that bury themselves in the edge of the deepest part of the Marianas Trench. The trench is the meeting point of the Pacific and Phillipine tectonic plates, and subduction would pull the waste under the Pacific plate and into the mantle.
Actually, various forms of deep ocean disposal, whether at plate edges or, perhaps better, in the center of geologically inert areas, are an excellent option. Wastes buried a few meters deep in the soft, inert and lifeless sediments in the deeps would ensure that the waste will not migrate into the biosphere before it decays to a safe level and would make recovery by anyone nearly impossible, which means that the wastes would be safe from terrorists wanting to make dirty bombs.
The only obstacle, really, is an international treaty, the London Convention, which is just an agreement and could be modified through an appropriate political process.
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:3, Insightful)
I for one, wouldn't make any guarantees that the nuclear waste is safe down there for an practically unlimited amount of time.
These sediments haven't moved in hundreds of millions of years, and nothing is going to disturb them for similar periods of time into the future. This is a disposal method which promises to hold the materials safely out of the way for millions of times longer than the materials will be at all dangerous to anyone.
I think its just plain irresponsible behaviour to produce somethi
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:5, Informative)
it produces very long lasting nuclear waste;
The longevity of some waste is important to consider, but there are three important mitigating factors that are usually overlooked in discussion.
First, longevity and intensity of nuclear waste are inversely related. The really nasty stuff has halflives of hours to days. The mid level stuff on the order of months. It's actually the low level waste that can last such a long time.
Secondly, reprocessing of the low level waste would extract useful plutonium that can be used as fuel again and will further reduce the volume of waste to store. It may even be possible to reduce the volume yet again by irradiating the low level waste to force it to decay faster.
Finally, coal burning releases a great deal of thorium and other radioactives. If coal plants were held to the same standards for release of radioactive waste products as nuclear plants are, each one would produce many tons of low level radioactive waste a year. That waste would also have to be stored for thousands of years.
Perhaps we should measure low-level waste in the unit "hours of coal", that is, in terms of the released radioactive waste per hour from an average coal fired power plant.
The real problem with nuclear power in the U.S. is lack of standardization in plant design and waste management. With standard design, we could build a body of practical operational and engineering knowledge that would apply to every plant. That in turn would allow increased safety.
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2)
I always end up taking the devil's advocate position here, even though I very much support fission energy use in principle. Look, if the military and civilian workers involved in fission energy production and nuclear material
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes , all that CO2 is being recycled and isn't really building up in the atmosphere. As from the radioactivity not being different, well outside of a partical accelerator ALL radioactivity is natural - uranium ore is extracted from the ground just like coal, oil gas. I'm not sur
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2)
these people DO exist. No question about it. Ussually their little old ladies, called Jane Public. But -WHY- does any Nuclear discussion have to have an +5 insightfull for a guy essentially claiming all "treehuggers" are emotional wrecks with no understanding and a fascist witchhunter tendancy?
It is just blatently untrue. People like Greepeace have -always- said that "under current technology" -waist- is the nuclear problem, well that and worries about the effects opf a Jumbo flying in a powerplant, or
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, fine. But you can say that by refining the uranium, and bringing sub-critical amounts of together in a pile, or supercritical amount together in a bomb, we are utilising the nucleus's innate tendency to split, and to thereby trigger a chain reaction in nearby uranium nuclei, in order to generate a self-sustaining level of radioactivity that would not have otherwise occured.
You could also say when making tea that we are not the ones boiling water, we are merely allowing electricity to flow through a restisting metal rod, which generates heat which when transfered to the water causes a rise in temperatre to boiling point that would not have otherwise occured. But that would be very, very pedantic.
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2)
Radioactive elements don't split into other elements? They don't split neatly into any single different element, but once an atom is split, it o
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:4, Insightful)
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You mean all those extra neutrons flying about dont have anything to do with it? Those neutrons traveling at carefully determined energies intended to impact the nucleus of the U238 atoms and cause it to become unstable and break apart into two smaller ones that are usually highly radioactive?
As opposed to the normal decay which merely sheds a single alpha, beta or gamma ray, leaving the original nucleus largely intact. This results in less radioactivity, not more.
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2)
What I object to, though, is the insinuation that we are the ones splitting the nuclei of the radioactive elements. These things are radioactive precisely because of their tendency to decay and in fact split themselves. They don't even split into other elements.
Nonsense. Yes, radioactive elements decay by themselves. That gives off some heat, and you can power devices with that (it's used in some space craft). In radioactive decay, atoms do not split - they emit a neutron or some other particle.
What nuc
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:4, Insightful)
It is true that Uranium does decay naturally and emit radiation. This decay, however, is the emission of one or very few particles, rather than splitting the nucleus into two large pieces:
U-235 -> U*236 -> Th-231 + alpha
U-238 -> U*236 -> Th-234 + alpha
In nuclear reactors used for power production on Earth, we use the neutrons emitted in radioactive decay to split nuclei of Uranium-235. These two new nuclei are indeed new atoms. A couple common fission processes are:
n + U-235 -> Xe-140 + Sr-94 + 2n
n + U-235 -> La-139 + Mo-95 + 2n
The masses of the two nuclei that come off tend to be between 72 and 160 AMU. Gold is not typically produced, as it's atomic mass is 197 AMU--too heavy to be made in the usual U-235 fission. I think that spontaneus fission might occur, but if it does it is at a much lower rate than is useful.
Energy derived solely from radioactive decay without any fission is sometimes used, but to my knowledge only on deep-space probes such as Voyager and Cassini. IIRC they use the natural heat decay of Plutonium, which is produced from U-238 in reactors.
Re:"Splitting atoms" - yes, we do (I'm a Nuke) (Score:5, Informative)
While Uranium/Plutonium do decay naturally (stability of a nucleus is determined by the Nuclear Shell empirical formula, which is a rough analog of the electron shell theory - everybody wants to be Iron Fe/26, the most stable nucleus), there's another form of decay that's an outcome of genuine nucleus splitting. That's is the decay of of these usually-radioactive fragments. This decay is important to the operation of a fission reactor, but only in determining the criticality of a nuclear pile. 'Critical' == exactly as many neutrons are released in any time period as are absorbed, meaning steady power output. Basically, over 99% of the neutrons necessary to keep a steady level of fission events come from 'prompt' neutrons - neutrons that are freed in the splitting of an atomic nucleus. You get one small chunk (which could very well be gold), one big chunk, and a couple free/fast neutrons.
If these 'prompt' neutrons were enough to sustain criticality, then the number of fission events would increase geometrically. Since the time between generations is about a millionth of a section, this means that a reactor core that's 'prompt-critical' would quickly escalate in temperature until the structural integrity of the core failed, and you have a molten slag of Uranium - which is exactly what happened at Chernobyl.
So the way to avoid this, you have to put in neutron-absorbing control rods to keep the number of 'prompt' neutrons below the number necessary to sustain the next generation of fission events. If 'prompt' neutrons were the only neutron source, your nuclear reactor would quickly cool down. But the decay of the fragments (which are ususally radioactive isotopes of stable elements) release additional neutrons. The 'art' of tuning a nuclear reactor is to insert the control rods just enough so that the reactor isn't prompt-critical, but the decay neutrons are just barely enough to make the pile critical.
One of the biggest problems with fusion in general is fuel. The easiest fusion reaction is deuterium-tritium. Deuterium is plentiful - the ocean is full of 'heavy water' where one of the hydrogen atoms in a water molecule has a proton and a neutron. Tritium, however, is radioactive with a pretty short halflife. You have to make tritium by getting Lithium to absorb a neutron, then decay.
Last time I was up-to-date on fusion research, there was only an estimated 300 years of Lithium to sustain the predicted energy needs of the world. However, with fission fast-breeder reactors like they use in France, there would be 5000 estimated years of power. Fission fast-breeder reactors can be built today - it's just that to make them passively safe, you need to use a liquid metal coolant like sodium, and any disaster like Chernobyl (from terrorists, for example) would be catastrophic. Liquid sodium will explode if it gets wet, so it's a huge engineering challenge. Argonne Nat'l Labs has reactor designs like this, but the US population is scared of nuclear power plants (plus, the cost overruns at plants made them economically unfeasible).
[I am a published principal author and presentor of a fusion reactor design (presented at the 8th Topical Meeting on the Topic of Fusion Energy in Salt Lake City), so I have a tiny bit of credibility. I got out of the field specifically because of the 15-year carrot-on-a-stick paradox.]
Running out of uranium (Score:3, Informative)
According to the Uranium Institute [uic.com.au], known resources of economically recoverable U-235 are "enough to last for some 50 years" at today's rate of consumption. If prices go up significantly, we could mine other sources, but even so, "all conventional resources are considered - 14
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:5, Insightful)
Take a look at some of the research and data on how much naturally radioactive particles are released into the atmosphere through burning of fossil fuels, you'll probably be surprised. I believe it's a few orders of magnitude more than the amount generated in current fission plants.
-Jesse
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:4, Informative)
Take a look at some of the research and data on how much naturally radioactive particles are released into the atmosphere through burning of fossil fuels...
According to this Report to Congress on Wastes from the Combustion of Fossil Fuels [epa.gov], radioactivty in fossil fuels is not a problem.
The report says (page 44) that because the radioactive elements are not burned, they concentrate in the ash instead of spreading in atmosphere.
As for the danger of the ash, the report says:
The report concludes that the risks from non-radioactive elements in coal (selenium, arsenic, aluminum, and boron) are of much more concern.
Coal plants do release more radioactivity. (Score:4, Interesting)
For comparison, according to NCRP Reports No. 92 and No. 95, population exposure from operation of 1000-MWe nuclear and coal-fired power plants amounts to 490 person-rem/year for coal plants and 4.8 person-rem/year for nuclear plants. Thus, the population effective dose equivalent from coal plants is 100 times that from nuclear plants. For the complete nuclear fuel cycle, from mining to reactor operation to waste disposal, the radiation dose is cited as 136 person-rem/year; the equivalent dose for coal use, from mining to power plant operation to waste disposal, is not listed in this report and is probably unknown.
For a large number of coal samples, according to Environmental Protection Agency figures released in 1984, average values of uranium and thorium content have been determined to be 1.3 ppm and 3.2 ppm, respectively
And a 1,000 megawatt plant uses 4 million tons of coal a year, resulting in the release of 5.2 tons of Uranium and 12.8 tones of thorium.
A 1000 megawatt light water nuclear plant of the type used in the USA uses about 25 tons of uranium a year.
If you're willing to use breeder reactors and their ilk, you can actually get more power out the the uranium in the ash than you got burning the coal!
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:3, Informative)
heh heh. Actually coal plants do produce radioactive waste. Instead of putting it in a container and storing it, they disperse it in the atmosphere.
Look at this link [epa.gov]
Notice that you get more than 3 times more dose if you live near a coal plant than if you live near a nuclear plant. (If you live within 50 miles of a nuke plant you get 0.009 mrem as opposed to 0.03 mrem if you live within 50 miles of a coal plant.)
Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:3, Informative)
Since the day someone first burned coal. Coal has a uranium content of around 1ppm which is concentrated in the ashy residue after burning. It also contains measurable quantities of thorium, radon and radium. Coal ash can be as radioactive as an average granite (about 10-30 ppm uranium). If the powerplant doesn't have highly efficient filters then these tiny particles go up the smoke stack where they can be breathed in. Someone livi
HUrray! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:HUrray! (Score:2)
Not likely. Fission may be cleaner than fusion, but it's still very big iron, running at a temperature of 100 million degrees centigrade, spewing out heaps of high-energy sub-atomic particles. Without tons of shielding, it would be deadly.
Re:HUrray! (Score:2)
I'm confused. Are you claiming that today's current fission reactors operate at 100 million degrees? Or are you claiming that fusion only occurs at 100 million degrees?
I guess it doesn't really matter, because both statements are wildly incorrect.
First of all, as far as I know, fusion is actually cleaner than fission, because it works with much more stable and predictable element
Dumbed down (Score:2, Interesting)
"We still intend to use a donut-shaped plasma contained in a magnetic field. But now we've got better scopes and the latest release of 'budget fluid-model XP' for our souped-up research PCs"
Perhaps the real point of the article is to announce that Christian HQ has finally decided that nuclear fusion isn't blasphemous (and God has presumably decided not to enforce her patents on the sun).
Insinuation (Score:2)
I object: Pu for example is not a natural element - and quite wasteful.
The problems aren't insurmountable (Score:4, Insightful)
100 years ago we would never have dreamed space exploration would be possible. Why's this so different?
Re:The problems aren't insurmountable (Score:2)
Errrr.... Because we don't get pressure for free? (Score:2)
In the absence of a similar free advantage I don't see why you assume we can create a sustainable fusion reactor.
Re:The problems aren't insurmountable (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The problems aren't insurmountable (Score:5, Interesting)
I refer you to "Exploration of Space by Means of Reactive Apparatus" by Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky, written in 1896. That was 108 years ago...
Re:Typical slashbot (Score:3, Interesting)
Ask Slashdot? (Score:5, Insightful)
If so then my answer is yes! I mean no! err..What was the question again?
IANANE (I am not a nuclear engineer) but if I read that article correctly then it seems some of the many problems have theoretical solutions. In other words, it worked in the simulation. We need to get this thing built and do real tests before we can even think about being "close" to having fusion plants.
They can't even decide where to build it! Why can't I vote to spend my (US) tax money on putting one of these over here. Even as a test bed it will give the contry it's in some home field advantage.
You can use my back yard if you want! Don't listen to my whiney neighbors, they don't know what's good for them!
Re:Ask Slashdot? (Score:2)
Re:Ask Slashdot? (Score:3, Funny)
As a typical American, I would like to recommend that they simply build it on their shared border. Problem solved!
Re:Ask Slashdot? (Score:4, Informative)
That isn't a problem any more. The EU decided a few weeks ago to build ITER in france by themselves and inviting the Japanese to join if they like (dont know what's happening with the US participation, but considering that they didn't join until a short while ago and wasn't paying much anyway it hardly matters)
Reason for Low Funding (Score:4, Informative)
With observations like that in reputable news sources like the Economist it is no wonder that investment in fusion waxes and wanes. People want a return on investment before the next election, not 30 years from now.
Re:Reason for Low Funding (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you are missing the point the writer was making. The 30 is a constant, ie we are always 30 years from fussion. This is not a return in 30 years, but a return an infinite amount of time in the future.
Now, I think the fusion experiments are worth funding because they are fun. I think it's a shame that the political environment is such that the scientists need to pretend there is gold at the end of the rainbow, when the rainbow is so beautiful itself.
We aren't talking big money here in government terms. Eg IIRC the proposed ITER budget is 10 billion Euro over 30 years. The EU pours approximately 100 billion into the common agrecultural policy every year and I presume the USA is operating on basicly the same level, just to prop up buisinesses who produce food no one wants to eat.
lies, damn lies, etc... (Score:3, Informative)
Ah the wonders of a contextless statistic. Wow, America has spent more than $17 Billion on nuclear fusion in the last fifty years without producing a commercially viable reactor?! Damn those profligate scientists and their free-spending ways! We must put a stop to this before they bankrupt us!
Oh wait. $17 billion divided by 53 years is... $320 Million a year.
In Federal budgeting t
Biodiesel is better fusion power (Score:3, Interesting)
Although we may end up with oxygen pollution
biodiesel home page [biodiesel.org]
Re:Biodiesel is better fusion power (Score:4, Interesting)
UK duty on ordinary diesel 47.1 p/litre
duty on biodiesel 27.1 p/litre
duty on ordinary diesel paid by farmers 5.22 p/litre
Step one - increase the cost of alternatives (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Step one - increase the cost of alternatives (Score:3, Insightful)
Some useful links (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.jet.efda.org/pages/content/fusion2.htm
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_nuclear_
http://www.fusion.org.uk/ [fusion.org.uk]
http://www.iter.org/ [iter.org]
It'll Never Happen (Score:5, Insightful)
Practical nuclear fusion would be the best thing that ever happened to our planet: we'd lose our dependence on the Middle East for energy, and dramatically cut pollution. If it were up to me, I'd launch a nuclear fusion program on the scale of the Manhattan Project.
However, the Bush family and that crowd will never allow nuclear fusion to become a reality - they make too darned much money on oil, and cash is all they understand.
Read the Post, Pinhead (Score:4, Insightful)
It simply suggests that the Bush family and their buddies are in the oil business, are extraordinarily greedy, and play hardball. All of these things are perfectly consistent with history.
What we see in SnarfQuest's response is the typical fringe-right tactic of attempting to refute reality by somehow changing the topic to something that they can attack. How utterly unhelpful.
Hydrogen or Helium (Score:2)
Silicone Carbide? Fusion in breast implants? (Score:4, Informative)
Silicon and Silicone are often confused.
OTOH, perhaps this will be the next big thing. Talk about too hot to handle...
-j
science is as science does (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:science is as science does (Score:4, Informative)
"It's a real newspaper published by a church -- The First Church of Christ, Scientist in Boston, Mass., USA.... let's be clear: The Christian Science church doesn't publish news to propagate denominational doctrine; it provides news purely as a public service. Here's why: If the basic theology of that church says that what reaches and affects thought shapes experience, it follows that a newspaper would have significant impact on the lives of those who read it.
A newspaper whose motive is "to injure no man, but to bless all mankind," as its founder charged, would have a "leavening" effect on society, as well as on individual lives -- to use a metaphor Eddy herself appreciated and used. The idea is that the unblemished truth is freeing (as a fundamental human right); with it, citizens can make informed decisions and take intelligent action, for themselves and for society."
On a side note, I've just read throught the comments and I'm amazed at the number people that have made comments showing that they know no science... did IQs suddenly drop while I was away?
Why the guvvies haven't gotten fusion to work (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why the guvvies haven't gotten fusion to work (Score:3, Insightful)
Nuclear Physics is no longer the glamour major it was in the 1950's and 1960's, and while there are a few new minds going into the profession, there are many other more cool things to do now and are taking up the energies of young minds. Nuclea
Re:Why the guvvies haven't gotten fusion to work (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Christian? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.csmonitor.com/aboutus/about_the_monito
Why don't you read up... (Score:2, Informative)
My understanding is that it is one of the oldest and longest running *actual* news sources that has remained rather committed to the *actual* scientific truth, not the false truth pushed by Born Again Christian Fundamentalists.
Re:Christian? (Score:4, Informative)
I'm sorry, we're looking at a theological magazine for technical articles?
I'm a total atheist, but the Christian Science Monitor is an extremely good publication, very independent.
It was apparently originally founded by a wealthy and religious woman about a century back. It is owned by a church, but you couldn't tell from the content. What you can tell is that it's not just another news organization for which profit is the all important thing.
Re:Christian? (Score:2)
Re:Atheism isn't the same as secularism. (Score:2, Informative)
There is such a thing as non-religious. And it has nothing to do with faith. Its called atheism.
Re:Atheism isn't the same as secularism. (Score:2)
Re:Atheism isn't the same as secularism. (Score:2)
A religious item of clothing is little different from wearing some form of gang emblem afterall really, it's simply something to identify you as being a member of a particular group. What France wants to do is remove that identification so that whilst i
Re:Christian? (Score:2)
The first part was correct but then you had to provide a link to a creationist web site. A web site with the name 'Institute for Creation Research' as if the use of the word 'Institute' provides some legitimacy to the fantasy of Creationism.
So close yet so far.
Re:Cheap? Clean? when will we learn (Score:5, Insightful)
Assuming you don't use aneutronic fusion, it will get mildly radioactive. So bury it in the middle of nowhere... who cares? We're not talking about 'hot' fission fuel here.
"What is the failure mode for a collapsed fusuion capable magnetic field?"
The confinement vessel warms up by about two degrees C, you fix the problem and restart it. You've been watching too many SF movies if you think that a confinement failure will cause a nuclear explosion.
"Fusuion power will NEVER be safe"
Fusion is extremely safe compared to fission: you appear to be just a typical ill-informed knee-jerk anti-nukleah.
Re:Cheap? Clean? when will we learn (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Cheap? Clean? when will we learn (Score:5, Informative)
This is not good for the retaining magnets - the magnetic field quenches, and the energy goes into heating up the magnets. Even the superconducting (and therefore cooled) ones warm up - boiling off a lot of refrigerant, and possibly/prbably distorting/damaging the coils..
Afer this event, th reactor was shut down for a long period (I think months), while the coils were checked for damage and realigned.
As for the amount of energy in the plasma itself - it's relatively small. Although the temperature is high, the particle density is actually quite low, so the total energy contained is (relatively) small. It *won't* go up like a hydrogen bomb.
The core lining in JET was lithium. It gets mildly radioactive due to being bombarded by neutrons all the time, but this is not a big deal. The neutron activation of the concrete and steel rebar used in the construction of the core (it has to withstand high mechanical forces from the magnetic fields) is more of an issue.
The plasma isn't meant to touch the tokamak wall, as it causes long and expensive downtime, but it's not as catastophic as (say) setting light to an oil well.
Re:Cheap? Clean? when will we learn (Score:5, Informative)
The plasma disperses and the fusion stops. What do you think happens when they shut the field down now after their tests?
"Wow, these are bad, very very very bad also."
Really? Why?
"The folks that came to our little burg for a 'rah rah' meeting claimed that power would be so cheap, it wouldn't be metered."
And it would have been had the anti-nuclear nutters who stopped the whole thing in its tracks. Yes 3 mile island happened and then chernobyl. So what? When an airliner crashes 400 people die. Do we stop all flight? Tens of thousands of people die in car crashes every year. Do we ban cars? No.
"The situation with nuclear power has not changed just becuase we are looking at 'new and improved' fusion"
If the halfwitted political loudmouths of society can be convinced this new form is "better" than the old form (whether it is or not) then we may get somewhere with it. If it ever works that is.
Re:Cheap? Clean? when will we learn (Score:2)
Exactly. Everything has risk, and while we should and do try to reduce the risks, not doing something because it does pose a slight risk, where it could lead to huge benefits is beyond retarded. People just don't ta
Re:Cheap? Clean? when will we learn (Score:2)
Oh boy. Go back to watching your cartoons. This discussion is for grown ups.
Re:Cheap? Clean? when will we learn (Score:2)
Oh, and while we're on the subject, the new Chinese fission reactors are designed to be impossible to melt down, and are therefore extremely safe. The downside is that you still need to deal with the hot radioactive fuel afterwards.
Equally, plants powered by conventional fuels pump out a huge amount of radioactive crap into the atmosphere (e.g. coal often contains uranium which will be burnt and
Re:Cheap? Clean? when will we learn (Score:5, Interesting)
The reaction stops. No, seriously, current fusion reactor designs require the magentic field to cause the fusion to happen. Thats why its currently so expensive, most of the time it takes more electricity to power the magnet than you can get from the fusion.
Current nuclear reactors have a GREAT track record, by any other industry standard. However, those who worked on the years of clean up at three mile island
Guess what, the reactor there wasn't a current design. In fact, I believe none of the reactors in operation in the US is a current design, since instead of replacing them with better designs that have been in use for almost a decade now, little "know it alls" like you complain and prevent new plants from being built to replace the old.
The situation with nuclear power has not changed just becuase we are looking at 'new and improved' fusion.
The situation with nuclear power changed decades ago with the invention of reactors that could burn fuel that would have otherwise been considered "spent", reducing the need for disposal. It changed years ago with the invention of better fission reactors that are resistant to meltdown in emergency situations, and it will change yet again with the invention of fusion reactors that operate by converting small atoms (Helium) into slightly larger ones, rather than using heavy metals like uranium and plutonium.
Re:The Law of Thermodynamics (Score:2)
Fusion.
Conversion of matter to energy.
This isn't about burning H2, or about electrolysis.
Am I going too fast for you here?
Re:The Law of Thermodynamics (Score:5, Informative)
Re:fusion was there forever (Score:3, Insightful)