Futuristic 'Smart' Yarns from Carbon Nanotubes 216
neutron_p writes "Scientists at The UTD NanoTech Institute achieved a major technological breakthrough by spinning multi-walled carbon nanotube yarns that are strong, tough and extremely flexible, and are both electrically and thermally conducting. Among other things, the futuristic yarns could result in 'smart' clothing that stores electricity, provides ballistic protection and adjusts temperature and porosity to provide greater comfort. The breakthrough, made possible by, in effect, downsizing ancient technology used for wool and cotton spinning to the nanoscale, resulted from an unusual collaboration involving nanotechnologists and experts in wool spinning."
Knitting (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Knitting (Score:5, Funny)
If your grandma is a scientist working in Nano technology, yes.
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Re:Knitting (Score:3, Interesting)
> vest?
Yes, and if it saves your life from bullets then you have to look forwards to a slow and painful death from all the numerous detrimental and very dangerous effects from exposure to carbon nanotubes.
This is not safe stuff to just be casting around ideas of using in clothing. It's as irresponsible as the asbestos-impregnated children's clothing from the 1930s and 1940s.
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Steel Wool (Score:4, Interesting)
Eh hem, everybody remember what happens to steel wool when you hook it up to a 9 volt battery in science class?
But you're Ironsides... (Score:2)
Does this mean that grandma can now knit me a bullet proof vest?
I figured you wouldn't need one. Maybe you should have been Kevlarsides or possibly CarbonNanotubesYarnSides.
I just upgraded my loom last month ... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I just upgraded my loom last month ... (Score:2)
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Can you imagine a self-cleaning carpet? You drop crumbs on it and the fibers work it cilia-like toward a vaccuum duct in the wall? Sweeeeet....
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Had it... (Score:2)
Finally... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Finally... (Score:4, Insightful)
This spinning process seems to only apply to multi-walled nanotubes, at least according to what the submitter wrote.
In other words, not quite.
Say there... (Score:3, Funny)
Futuristic 'Smart' Yarns (Score:3, Funny)
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TOMORROW
Re:Futuristic 'Smart' Yarns (Score:2, Funny)
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Apparently, it's not just "smart" yarn, it's also "heterosexual male" yarn.
Re:Futuristic 'Smart' Yarns (Score:2)
First application likely to be... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:First application likely to be... (Score:5, Funny)
the chastity thong
Ya know, you don't have to remove a thong for sex, right?
Re:First application likely to be... (Score:5, Funny)
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You do if it's an electricity storing smart thong that shocks to death anyone other than the daughter who touches it.
I pity your daughter. She's going to grow up with an unhealthy fear of toilets. If you're at all serious, I suggest you give her some condoms tell her that there's more if she wants them, and tell her dates that you have 60 acres and a backhoe.
Re:First application likely to be... (Score:2)
Mmm microscopically thin and blocks things smaller than a virus.
Re:First application likely to be... (Score:3, Funny)
Angstrom ribbed... for atomic pleaure!
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Yes, but... (Score:4, Funny)
Not only clothing (Score:3, Interesting)
Imagine a beowulf cluster of nanocomputers inside your ATX case, and then you'll see what's a really good fetiche. It might even run Longhorn with Doom 3 and Duke Nukem Forever on dual monitors!
Re:Not only clothing (Score:2, Insightful)
Surely you mean semi-conductors...?
explain to me how you'd make a computer out of conductors only
i'm not being facetious, i'm genuinely interested...
Re:Not only clothing (Score:3, Funny)
Fortunately, most metals are in fact, conductors. (Not that he used it in that way though...)
Arthur C. Clarke's Fountain of Paradise (Score:5, Interesting)
For those that don't know, Foutains of Paradise [amazon.com] is where ACC first coined the idea of building an elevator into space which he later used in 3001: A Final Odyssey [amazon.com] (The 3rd sequal to 2001: A Space Odyssey). To build the elevator a super-strength carbon string was bundled into three bundles and then attached to a giant mass in space to keep the tethers taught. At least if memory serves me correctly that's how it was done. If you're an ACC fan and haven't read Fountains of Paradise, I recommend it.
Re:Arthur C. Clarke's Fountain of Paradise (Score:3, Informative)
Tsiolkovsky first proposed it in 1895.
See http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/TETHER/space
Wonderful world of Nanotubes (Score:5, Informative)
Pressure tanks (Score:5, Insightful)
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Due to my Font (Score:5, Funny)
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Has to be said ... (Score:2)
Or is that
Yams can cook! (as in fire, lay off, dehire, make redundant
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obSimpsons (Score:5, Funny)
Ob. Back To The Future II (Score:2)
Jacket: Beep. Your jacket is dry.
Not cool enough (Score:3, Interesting)
Just in Time for WTO textile liberalization (Score:4, Interesting)
Products based on this technology will command premium prices (and have great features - I might finally become interested in shopping!).
Re:Just in Time for WTO textile liberalization (Score:2)
Ballistic protection (Score:5, Interesting)
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Wow... I can understand where people are coming from when they are against guns (especially automatic weaponry), but being against bullet proof vests? That's insane!
Re:Ballistic protection (Score:2)
Well not really. I mean think about this statement. I can understand people being against ICBMs but being against missile defense that is insane. Think about how many people a nutcase with a gun and a bullet proof vest could take out? I remember seeing pictures of some guys in LA that the cops just could not stop until they went to gun store a
Re:Ballistic protection (Score:2)
I've been Googling various likely keywords, but I haven't been able to find anything...period.
Have you got any sources for that statement? Was it the 'Government' or just a backbench (or Opposition?) MPP who proposed the policy?
I know that some U.S. lawmakers (Senator Feinstein, D-CA, for example) have suggested banning the sale of bulletproof vests to the public, but I wasn't aware of similar moves
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I don't even want to know what script-kiddies will do if they get their hands on everyone's clothes.
The killer app (Score:5, Interesting)
But all that being said, what I want to see most is clothing that you can change the appearance of (color, pattern, even cut, if possible) at will. Not because I particularly want it, mind you, but because I'm quite certain that that's the feature that will drive adoption of this in the consumer space, which is what will cause all the actually cool applications to be available.
Viva fashion, and whatnot.
Re:The killer app (Score:3, Funny)
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Came and went as far back as the '80s, as clothing fashion is wont to do.
A little biofeedback practice and you could make your hypercolor t-shirt change color from among 3 or more different colors (like, blue, pink and white).
Re:The killer app (Score:3, Funny)
It's called elastic, and it's brother spandex. One used by old ladies to "change the cut" as waistlines expand, the other used by young ladies to "change the cut" to achieve the tightest fit possible.
Pray god you never see the two get mixed up.
Progress got run over by Grandma. (Score:2, Funny)
Now just think what the car makers can learn from the buggy whip people?
Not smart enough. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Not smart enough. (Score:3, Informative)
It's worse than that: with the new smaart fabric, the paisley's swim around.
Re:Not smart enough. (Score:2)
Being carbon, all of the clothing will be black*.
The future will be very, very hip...albeit a bit warm when out in the Sun.
(*Yes, I know that not all carbon allotropes are black, and that it's likely possible to synthesize nanotubes with unusual optical properties. It's just a joke.)
No nanotube sweaters for Christmas this year (Score:5, Informative)
After cyberpunk, biopunk and nanopunk... (Score:5, Funny)
Comes textile-punk, to be featured in Neal Stephenson's upcoming book, Sweater Crash. Meanwhile, the Wachowski brothers have a new movie in the making about about a futuristic society where all of humanity is entrapped in a large, controlling single piece of nano-fabric. Of course, this was all done 50 years ago in an Asimov book.
The article (Score:5, Informative)
It's worth noting that UTD has only been hard at work in CNT research for a few years. I was there in 2002 when the NanoTech institute was still being built. They had a bunch of Dells sitting outside the building with no one watching...but I guess they didn't worry. I mean, who steals a Dell?
Other good links, mostly culled from the above Science article:
Baughman's summary of nanotube work [sciencemag.org]
Smalley (the Nobel prize winner) and his CNT work: [rice.edu]: He invented the HiPCO process for large-scale development of CNT's...from what I gather, fiber-spinning like the UTD method is a direct competitor.
A really good (and 46 page!) discussion of nanotube work [rice.edu]
Strong Bad [homestarrunner.com], in case you get tired of science.
Evaluation of Technology (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, as can be demonstrated by many of my previous posts, I'm all for pure and applied science. However, lately, I've been thinking quite a lot on the question "what good is technology?". Yes, building a space elevator would be cool. Yes, having light bulletproof vests would be cool. But how does this science help mankind? Does it improve agriculture? Does it help provide things people need? Does it help the environment? Does it help people get along better?
I know these are questions that don't have easy answers always, and I know that if people thought about these things in a literal sense then we probably would not have a lot of the technology we currently have.
My question is more of this: what research is being done into pure sciences and technology that does work for agriculture, health, the environment, and those types of things directly. Some technology simply supports those things indirectly by providing jobs, new materials, etc.
What is lacking in a lot of science, though, and much of life in general, is a lack of focus. Even in the pure sciences, what's the goal of a particular project? Sometimes it's "to see how things work". Sometimes it's "we would like a better way to do X". There is no overarching goal for a lot of modern technology though - mostly it's just "we want a profit!" (Reminds me of the line from Star Trek: First Contact where Zefram Cochrane says he wasn't in it for science but for profit!)
I am by most measures a successful person, but I've had to ask myself: what good is it? Not from a depressed standpoint, but a "shouldn't I be doing more?" standpoint. Carbon nanotubes are great, but what do they really give us? The list goes on - what do Linux desktops give us? MP3 players (without DRM, of course!)? Wi-Fi? These are all neat things - but do we have a purpose behind our technical passions?
</soapbox>
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CNTs are like lasers. When the laser was invented in 1955 or so (someone correct me), it was billed as a "solution looking for a problem." No one knew what the hell to do with it. Naturally, it being the Cold War, most research money was pumped into Star Wars-style blasters...but now look at all the work done with lasers. Surgery, trace gas detection for pollution controls, CD players, DVD players, spectroscopy for materials science, the list goes on. The point is that CNT research is very early. Hell, nanotubes weren't known to exist until 1990 or so. This is one breakthrough out of about a billion or so possible with Carbon Nanotubes. Don't judge the technology based on the premise of "fancy clothing." Hell, the point of the link isn't the clothing part; it's the fact that a new fabrication method was invented that would improve production (and thus, deployment) of nanotubes by orders of magnitude. It's like finding a new way to make lasers on a broad scale instead of slowly making them by hand like in 1960. What you do with the plethora of nanotubes or lasers or what have you is up to you.
Re:Evaluation of Technology (Score:2)
Plenty of work being done in agriculture, for example, but it's being demonized by the Luddites. And health? Companies doing health and medical research have their own index on the stock market.
Also, a society that works hard has earned the right to play, thus our MP3 players and Playstations serve a purpose. Complete selflessness can be wearying, especially when the recipients of that selflessness can be somewhat less than appreciative. It
OK, I'll bite (Score:3, Interesting)
Eventually, we'll need thread for nanosurgical sutures.
Farmers everywhere would appreciate weatherproof, pest-proof grain bins that breathe, but don't ever explode.
If you can't get along with someone when you're both in bullet-proof underwear, you each deserve what you get. (Not sure I believe that, but it's w
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Body armor, and other thoughts (Score:5, Funny)
I hope it comes with a grounding strap.
I wonder if this would be a good material for microsurgical sutures.
And now, we can construct the world's smallest violin for Ron Artest [yahoo.com].
Fly me to the moon (Score:2)
"Form of... Sky Hook!"
Missing the most important detail (Score:3, Insightful)
Health concernes.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Even building insolation materials have also been questioned.
Now to my concern regarding carbon fibre.. has there been any studies on carbon tubes's affects on the human body? Carbon-fibre is an artificial material such as many insolations questioned. That is why I ask.
Ten years, twenty years or more from now, will we notice the dangerious side-affects of materials we push out on the market?
Re:Health concernes.. (Score:2)
Ten years, twenty years or more from now, will we notice the dangerious side-affects of materials we push out on the market?
Yes.Re:Health concerns.. (Score:2, Informative)
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YES, Toxic (Score:5, Informative)
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Photoelectric? (Score:2, Interesting)
Incredible? (Score:4, Funny)
Carbon Nanofibers: The New Asbestos (Score:5, Insightful)
Generally small particles or fillaments of any material smaller than a certain size are bad for you if inhaled (i.e. Pneumoconiosis), regardless of their composition.
Additionally, if fiber fragments are short and fine enough, you essentially have little needle-like objects that can do a lot of damage directly at the cellular level.
So, not that I'm being pessimistic or anything, but in the long term I don't think it'll remain an everyday item. It might hit the open market for a while, but a few decades of cancer studies, toxicoligical studies and lawsuits would likely bring an end to that.
While my guesses are just that, there are a few discouraging signs [cwru.edu] in research to date. Watch this area; we'll see whether further results warrant concern or not.
To be clear, I think this technology should certainly be pursued, but we need to be guarded in our optimisim regarding its widespread applicability.
...How did that go again? (Score:4, Funny)
Okay, if the handkerchief's in the left pocket s/he's AC, and the right pocket for DC...or was it the other way around?...
[BZZZAP!]
Damn.
How many times are we going to see this posted... (Score:2, Informative)
Embedded sensors (Score:2)
Chip H.
Whew! It's about time... (Score:2, Funny)
Honey, Where's my supersuit? (Score:2)
Dangerous fashion (Score:4, Interesting)
Not the first collaboration (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:CARBON Nanotubes (Score:3, Funny)
Re:CARBON Nanotubes (Score:3, Insightful)
And I guess you were trying to be funny, which you were, but sometimes sarcastic tone doesn't travel well through text. Ah, well. Gave me a chance to flaunt
Re:What will we do with all the sheep? (Score:2)
Re:What will we do with all the sheep? (Score:2)
Re:If you can guess my name... (Score:2)
Wrong story? Crap.
Everything old is new again... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Insertion: (Score:3, Funny)
No shit, there I was, making some chainmail at my boring security desk job at Carbon Nanotechnologies, when suddenly ...