Computers Linked to Glaucoma? 373
An anonymous reader writes "Maybe we should have listened to our parents and gone outside instead of playing video games. In newly published study in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, heavy computer users were 74% more likely to develop visual field problems as compared baseline in a group of 10,202 randomly selected workers. Furthermore, heavy computer users were found to be 81% more likely to develop glaucoma."
Obviously (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Obviously (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Obviously (Score:5, Insightful)
There's your justification for the Medical Marijuana prescription!
Re:Obviously (Score:4, Informative)
However, the relief is apparently short-lived and comes only with sufficiently high dosage to get fairly high, so you can't just have a few toots twice a day to treat your glaucoma effectively. Furthermore, there are more effective eye-drop based treatments that have no side effects.
Also (according to some sources) marijuana reduces blood flow to the optic nerve, which is not good for glaucoma patients. Not sure how substantial this effect is. Anyway, Googling for "marijuana glaucoma" turns up tons of stuff, some of it from fairly reputable sources and studies.
Certainly, I don't think tooting some marijuana will hurt your glaucoma, but it doesn't seem like it will cure it either.
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Insightful)
I encourage *everyone* on slastdot to go to the eye doctor at least every other year. Glaucoma causes blindness, and unless you get tested, the first symptom will be an irreversable loss of vision. If caught early -- before a loss of vision -- it can be arrested with eye-drops. It can be arrested aftera loss of vi
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Insightful)
Several members of my family are afflicted with glaucoma. I value their opinion much more than google results. Marijuana is the only treatment out there that can give pain relief almost instantaneously. You are very wrong if you think that someone with the disease cannot decide for themselves which treatments are more effective when it comes to pain re
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Funny)
However, the relief is apparently short-lived and comes only with sufficiently high dosage to get fairly high ...
Sir, I accept your challenge. Give me a few days and I'll report back. =)
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Interesting)
So, what then? Use a TFT display? Wait for bionic eyes (that would rule
Don't say "Smoke up," damnit.
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't want to have to sit and look at the screen and type the code, I want to think the code and just have it appear...
Re:Obviously (Score:2)
Hmm... that is what is called "designing the code"
Disclaimer though: that is a technique I have no idea about. Even for a report, I stare at the screen blankly instead of taking a printout, sit quietly and make changes on paper. Well, anyway, to save the eyes (and the sanity), avoid staring blankly at the computer (note to self)...
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Re:Obviously (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Obviously (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, when I used my first LCD display on a laptop, I immediately quit using my 21" CRT all together. The LCD was just WAY easier on my eyes. No refresh flicker, no glaring colors.
I will never buy another CRT ever. Maybe a TV, but never for a computer.
P.S. my boss tried to order some LCDs for us but they tricked him and sole him some Flat Screen CRTs. Suckx.
Re:Obviously (Score:5, Funny)
It's the porn, stupid (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Obviously (Score:2)
trouble reading (Score:4, Funny)
Re:trouble reading (Score:5, Funny)
Glaucoma (Score:5, Funny)
Hmmm, I can think of a good cure for that. Actually, many video game players already self-treat this condition.
Re:Glaucoma (Score:2)
My home remedy for glaucoma : (Score:2, Funny)
Method:
Pour all ingredients over ice in a shaker. Shake well. Serve in Cocktail Glass. Strain into glass.
Re:My home remedy for glaucoma : (Score:4, Funny)
Re:My home remedy for glaucoma : (Score:5, Funny)
Woo Hoo! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Woo Hoo! (Score:5, Informative)
For reference:
CNN [cnn.com]
Glaucoma Research Foundation [glaucoma.org]
Canadian Opthomological Society [eyesite.ca]
National Eye Institute [nih.gov]
I realize that letting facts get in the way of things is not the norm here on /. but there's always a first time.
Re:Woo Hoo! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Woo Hoo! (Score:2, Funny)
It's what they were looking at on the screen... (Score:4, Funny)
Mom was right, it really does make you go blind
augh (Score:5, Funny)
Ironically, (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ironically, (Score:3, Informative)
Reference 1 [hivpositive.com]
Reference 2 [mfiles.org]
Reference 3 [cnn.com]
Oh well.
Re:Ironically, (Score:4, Interesting)
Interesting to note, recently I ran out of smoke and thought it might be a good time to take one of my breaks from it for a few months to let my system flush and clean out. Within a few weeks I had serious issues occurring with my sight, and I was developing a tic in one of my eyes that wouldn't go away. My knuckles became inflamed and I wondered if I could keep working with a PC. The joints of my entire body swelled, and sleeping became incredibly difficult at night. When doing sit-ups I had crunching sounds coming from my spine and a deep cracking in the lower back. ALL of these symptoms went away went I went back to smoking weed! Now, I know the long term effects aren't exactly conducive to our profession (computer programmer) but they are definitely the lesser of two evils here.
In that case (Score:2, Funny)
radiation (Score:2, Funny)
Trial lawyers, start your engines! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Trial lawyers, start your engines! (Score:2)
But we still can't see our computer screens! Isn't that why we started the suit in the first place? Where did we go wrong?
Wait! We seem to have gained a lot more desktop space!
Re:Trial lawyers, start your engines! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Trial lawyers, start your engines! (Score:3, Funny)
Surgeon General's Warning: Monitor Usage Is Dangerous to Health and May Cause Glaucoma from Masturbation and Interlaced Screens.
This could help the Libertarians (Score:5, Funny)
Ergo large sections of the population may develop glaucoma..
Ergo Large sections of the population will have an interest in legalizing marijuana as a cheap means to treat the problem
Ergo the Libertarians now have a drawing card to people who would otherwise find the whole thing a bit kookie.
Glaucoma (Score:4, Informative)
Comment removed (Score:3, Funny)
Simson's corrarly (Score:2, Funny)
HOMER Ow, ow! I hate getting stitches in my eyes! Stupid crows.
DR. HIBBERT Don't feel bad for the crows, Homer. They weren't trying to blind you, they were just trying to drink your sweet, sweet eye juices.
HOMER (calmly) Hmm, fascinating. Say, Doctor, can you do something about my (hysterical) SEARING PAIN!?
DR. HIBBERT Well, there is medication, although it is a little... controversial.
HOMER Does it go in the butt?
DR. HIBBERT I'm talking about medicinal marijuana.
Now they fucking tell us (Score:5, Funny)
Fuck it -- my wife says I'm good at groping around for things in the dark. I'll survive.
IronChefMorimoto
Re:Now they fucking tell us (Score:2)
Re:Now they fucking tell us (Score:3, Informative)
hehe... (Score:3, Funny)
The other obvious hazard being overlooked is... (Score:2, Funny)
Hmmm (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm (Score:2)
Real x-ray specs :)
CAN'T BE (Score:2)
Hardly surprising (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm thinking folks who work on computers for long periods of time just may fall into a couple stereoypes. Glasses wearing and/or overweight/out-of shape. (I know sitting at a computer all hours doesn't do much for my physical fitness)
People of shape are going to risk a higher rate of diabetes, which is a risk factor for glaucoma. Being nearsighted is also a risk factor.
http://www.umm.edu/ency/article/001620.htm
Re:Hardly surprising (Score:2, Interesting)
Some might say (people around these parts?) that higher intelligence might mean greater likelihood of computer use, hence linking the myopia risk factor to the computer use.
Let me be the first... (Score:2)
I wonder if the insurance companies are going to eventually look at us programmers and categorize us as "uninsurable" for eye care because we stare at the monitor all day? I mean, they can turn down or boost rates on smokers because smoking is very bad for your health. So why not boost rates or turn down us computer bound programmers because we will almost certainly suffer from carpal tunnel, or glaucoma
CRT vs LCD? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:CRT vs LCD? (Score:5, Interesting)
With such a wide variety of "computer displays" available it seems it would be worth reinvestigating the results and looking for a relationship.
CRT vs LCD (Score:4, Interesting)
Your mileage may vary. But I'll never use a CRT again.
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:5, Informative)
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:2)
Additionally, the eye strain and feeling of my eyes being hot stopped as soon as I switched to using LCD's.
For me the contrast between the two experiences is unmistakeable and signifigant.
When you look at the design of a CRT [wikipedia.org], with a stream of electrons and radiation being shot directly at a peice of glass with your eyeballs directly on the other side, is it so hard to believe it could cause damage to the eyes?
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:4, Insightful)
Additionally, the eye strain and feeling of my eyes being hot stopped as soon as I switched to using LCD's.
My eyesight started deteriorating rapidly before they even had computer monitors and my prescription hasn't changed in the last five years. By your reasoning, the CRT helped my eyesight.
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:3, Insightful)
Nope. I'm left handed.
There are plenty of things to damage eyesight, from genetic predisposition to plenty of environmental factors.
That is exactly the point. That you experienced degraded eyesight at the approximate time you started using a CRT monitor does not mean the monitor caused your eyesight to degrade. There are any number of environmental factors which may have contributed which you have not isolated. Your claim that the monitor hurt your eyesight
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:2)
I don't deny I would have likely needed glasses as some point either way, but I am certain that my heavy CRT usage speed up and increased the problem.
Additionally, the eye strain and feeling of my eyes being hot stopped as soon as I switched to using LCD's. The problem also worsened exponentially as I needed to lean closer and closer t
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:3, Informative)
My eyes complained when I went from an amber-mono screen (where the unused part of the screen is truly BLACK, that is, unlit) to VGA. If you look at a VGA screen in the dark, and set your desktop to plain black, you'll see that even the "black" is *bright*. Well, no wonder VGA tires the eyes more than mono!
When I
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:2)
I'm 40 now, still using CRTs, and for the last 10 years or so, my prescription changes only slightly, tweaking it just a bit, maybe 1/4 diopter, maybe a few degrees of axis, every 2 or 3 years is fine. I could probably get around fine in my old glasses from 15 years ago.
This is common apparently; when my eyes were changing a lot, my optician said that
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:2)
Agreed... LCD's are much easier on my eyes... bigger the screen the better off I am too... a 17 or 19" LCD in 1280x1024 w/ big font is perfect... you can see plenty on the screen and the fonts are large and clear. The higher res w/ the bigger fonts makes it equal (in available virtual real estate) to a 1024x768 display.
Digital vs. Analog for my TV and monitors has also been an improvement... fuzzy screens make your eyes keep trying to re-focus... I don't know that that would cause glaucom
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:2)
Re:CRT vs LCD (Score:3, Interesting)
That doesn't mean there isn't increased risk by smoking.
bad conclusions? (Score:4, Insightful)
IHNRTFA (I have not read the f-in article), but it seems to me this is yet another case of the misuse of statistics. Just because X% of PopulationY happens to also be in PopulationZ doesn't imply a causal relationship in any specific direction. It's just as likely that the real reason for the link is the opposite of what they suppose: that persons who have the genetic defects and/or environmental factors in their lives which lead to a higher rate of glaucoma are more likely to be computer users....
Re:bad conclusions? (Score:5, Insightful)
It is not "just as likely" that computer workers are, as a group, genetically different from other workers. That there may be "environmental factors" doesn't really make any difference to their conclusion: for some reason, computer workers exhibit a much higher rate of visual problems. Yours is a plausible scenario, but do give the researchers some credit. Grant them the fact that they're eminently more qualified to examine this particular issue than you are, and that it's worth taking their findings seriously, even in light of the fact that their findings aren't carved in stone. Hell, the researchers themselves would likely be among the first to emphasize that their findings are not fact. This is one of the founding tenets of scientific research, for crying out loud.
Simply because John Q. Citizen can fire off a plausible alternative after five seconds' thought does not mean that his theory is "just as likely" to be the case as the result of a published research project.
CRTs probably cause nearsidedness (Score:2)
Re:CRTs probably cause nearsidedness (Score:5, Interesting)
That's probably why LCDs produce less eye strain -- the image is actually there (having been created by the electricity activating the liquid crystals) and it's where you perceive it as being. It's got a fluorescent light behind it in most modern cases, and that's why you can use it in the dark -- non-backlit LCDs depend on available darkness.
Did they properly control the experiment (Score:5, Interesting)
2. Did they control for the possibility that people with vison problems or other problems originally might be less outgoing and likely to interact with others? What demographic uses computers heavily compared to the mainstream?
I know my distance vision has deteriorated from heavy computer usage, but I'd like to see whether glaucoma is caused by staring at a screen... or some other aspect of computer usage, like chronic inflammation from Carpal Tunnel or somthing like that.
Re:Did they properly control the experiment (Score:5, Informative)
Although, glaucoma also is caused by a number of other things (many of which we do not know); the article is down right now, so I can't tell what type of glaucoma these people were found to have.
Assuming that the increased rate could be explained by the sedentary lifestyle associated with heavy computer usage, it's just more news of the same: we're getting fat, lazy and stupid, and we'll look for any thing to blame it on other than the fact that we eat too much, don't exercise, and think education is a joke.
LED vs CRT (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:LED vs CRT (Score:4, Funny)
I think we can all agree that you have other far more important problems if you stare at an LED all day.
Finally... (Score:2)
Re:Finally... (Score:2)
Obvious link here (Score:3, Insightful)
An ounce of prevention... (Score:2)
After all, "an ounce of prevention is worth a kilo of cure"
Free Eye Tests (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Free Eye Tests (Score:2)
In fact at my last place if we didn't have an eye test (we had to book it/pay for it ourselves then claim it back), then we were docked a months' pay.
Everyone complied, of course...
Correlation vs. causation (Score:3, Insightful)
*sigh*
Ive recently developed it. (Score:3, Interesting)
Simple, inexpensive cure to this (Score:5, Interesting)
Causality. (Score:2)
Computer eye strain story. (Score:5, Funny)
So, there were all these Chinese medicine shops around where I lived and I decided to go in and ask for some herbs or accupuncture.
I got a Chinese friend to go with me and I communicated to the Doc that my eyes were going blurry from using the computer constantly.
The guy told me --stop using the computer.
I was impressed with his skill.
ergonomics (Score:2)
That is, with my feet on my desk, and the keyboard in my lap.
First, my wrists are supported, and comfortable.
Second, the monitor is at eye level.
Third, I'm at least half a meter from the screen. Now we *know* that strobes, and even fluorescent lights can set off epileptics. When you're close, half or three-quarters of all the light falling on your eyes i
I don't know about glaucoma (Score:2)
The hazzards of computing:
- No women
- Super terrific carpal tunnel syndrome
- Bad eyes
- Hairy palms
The worst thing for you are those stupid stupid stupid feet on keyboard, somehow keyboard-feet-gnomes some into my office and put them up every so often, increasing the angle in stress as I type. There is an awesome paper on keyboard stress testing, which has some wierd spikey graphs showing that a 20% deviation in your wrists from the normal, for 8 hours, can com
Oh the humanity.... (Score:3, Funny)
Borderline (Score:2)
Cornea Thickness Adjustment (Score:2)
Vision Sharpener (Score:2)
Effect and Cause? (Score:2)
pr0n fallout (Score:2)
Another useless study (Score:3, Interesting)
The glaring one is that is did not study a single population over time. They are assuming, or implying, causation here and I don't see any reasonable evidence of that with their two, unrelated groups method. It might be that people who are visially impaired tend to gravitate toward jobs where their eyesight is not critical to success. It might not be that computer work causes eye problems, but people with eye problems tend to do computer work.
Re:Monitor (Score:2)
Re:Shoddy research (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:We all know what treats Glaucoma! (Score:2)
Once it gets reintroduced (which I expect will happen - too much tax to be made to pass on the chance) it'll likely get back into the environment, this making it difficult to stop people growing it.