Some Of The Lost X-Patents Found 281
Jerry Browne writes "
The New York Times (reg req) is carrying
a story
about the recent discovery of some lost patents. Apparantly a fire at a
temporay storage site in July 1836 destroyed the first 10000 patents issued. From the article..."The
Patent and Trademark Office has issued nearly seven million patents; the
first 10,000 are known as the X-patents. They were issued from July 1790,
when the United States patent system was created under an order signed
by George Washington, to July 1836, when every one of them burned in a
fire...In the 168 years since the fire, only about 2,800 have been recovered....Until
this spring, that is, when two lawyers...a clue to several important patents
from the 1790's - including one from 1826 for the first internal combustion
engine...""
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Burned (Score:5, Funny)
Why just some? (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, but why just some? Why not all of them? That would solve all of our patent problems, don't you think?
Re:Why just some? (Score:3, Funny)
I see your excellent point. In that case, we need to burn, not only the patents, but all the patent laws too. Where are those kept?
Re:Why just some? (Score:2)
Ok, maybe that would be the SCO lawyers.
All your desktop are belong to us.
Re:Burned (Score:5, Funny)
Build a fire for a patent lawyer and keep him warm for a day.
Set a patent lawyer on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Re:Burned (Score:5, Funny)
Set a patent lawyer a fire and keep him warm for a day.
Set a patent lawyer afire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Extremly humorous that your post is moded 'flamebait' tho
--Demonspawn
Re:Burned (Score:5, Interesting)
Mmmm, several hundred year old consipracy. This is gonna drive 'em nuts for years... ;-)
Re:Burned (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, no. At least not the ones that genuinely are innovative.
I'd quite like to see the expiry date on all of them mysteriously reduce by 2/3rds or so, but I'd hate to see that ingenuity lost forever and need to be re-invented.
The problem with tech patents is that the tech industry is still incredibly immature and developing at a rapid rate. Patent durations that make sense for mechanical devices aren't really approp
Re:Burned (Score:5, Funny)
Hmmm. Is that the solution? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hmmm. Is that the solution? (Score:5, Funny)
shortly followed by CompilerNacht - the night of the broken compilers.
Re:Hmmm. Is that the solution? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Hmmm. Is that the solution? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Hmmm. Is that the solution? (Score:5, Informative)
There should be a term that refers to events like the Reichstag Fire and 9/11.
Re:Provocation (Score:3, Interesting)
Except for the fact that (as many believe) the Nazis started the fire to strengthen their position.
Re:Hmmm. Is that the solution? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hmmm. Is that the solution? (Score:3, Funny)
Prior Art? (Score:3, Funny)
Just what we need. (Score:2, Funny)
What (Score:4, Funny)
Ironically (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ironically (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Ironically (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ironically (Score:5, Funny)
But what about the missing Dr.Who? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:But what about the missing Dr.Who? (Score:2)
X-reposts (Score:5, Funny)
It has been carbon dated to within the mid 1830's.
It has been duped 4796 times since then.
I actually like these kind of outlandish irrelivent stories, must be a slow news day...
Newly discovered patents from 1790 (Score:5, Funny)
There should be consequences...
1826 the first engine ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:1826 the first engine ? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:1826 the first engine ? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:1826 the first engine ? (Score:4, Informative)
The Age of Steam didn't really get going until Watt. Newcomen steam engines had been around for almost a century before Watt, but the approach was terrible. In a Newcomen engine, the cylinder was heated and cooled on every cycle. This is horrendously inefficient, but nobody knew that then. It took a huge engine to produce very modest power outputs. (Typical specs: 60-inch cylinder, 15HP) Watt built a Newcomen engine and started making measurements of the properties of steam and the heat capacity of the materials in the engine. Once he had some numbers to work with, he realized that a much simpler cycle would work much better.
Then the problem was making an engine that didn't lose all the pressure through leaks. It took until 1782 before Boulton and Watt built something that could rotate a shaft. By 1788, they finally had a good engine. [sciencemuseum.org.uk]
They also had a patent extension from 1775 to 1800, given them directly by Parlament. Boulton and Watt used this to become a big company. That's how the Industrial Revolution started.
Visit the Kensington Science Museum in London, and you'll see many of the earliest steam engines.
Of course! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Of course! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Of course! (Score:2, Funny)
"Why don't you just nuke 'em while you are at it"
"What about Nukes, General?"
Patent Office Arson... (Score:5, Funny)
With that in mind, if some of you OSS fellows fancy meeting me Arlington, Virginia for a re-enactment of this great event, be sure to bring matches, gasoline and plenty of firelighters.
Re:Patent Office Arson... (Score:2)
Just waiting to hear Darl (Score:5, Funny)
X-patents? (Score:5, Funny)
What is the distribution pattern (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:2, Funny)
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:2)
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How insightful (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course it would. The population has grown exponentially, as has effectively every other non-ratio metric associated with our country. GDP has gone up exponentially, food consumption has gone up exponentially, the stock market...you get the idea.
A much more insightful study would be patents/person by year. I would imagine that this figure has also gone up, though likely not quite with an exponential dependence. Most interesting would be sharp jumps in this curve that one might associate with specific events, like WWII, certain presidents getting elected, new USPTO directors, and so on.
Re:How insightful (compare it to...) (Score:2)
And a comparison to patents/company by year. I think that would show the real trend of patents.
Fun (Score:2)
I agree, but I think you can do better than a simple ratio, as I'd want to eliminate non-patenting companies (like farms), and patents not assigned to companies. - I'd look at:
the fraction of companies that pantented *anything* in a given year vs. time.
the fraction of patents assigned to companies (as opposed to individual inventors) vs. time
patents per employee at patenting companies vs. time
patents/yr vs.
Re:How insightful (Score:5, Interesting)
WARNING: The Singularity Is Closer Than It Appears
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Re:How insightful (Score:2)
Quite right, among other times (early 70s, the 90's bomb and the current doldroms). But because the timeline is so long and we have such a large amount of data, these end up correcting themselves and being blips. Over teh long haul, an exponential fits very well.
In math terms, fitting an exponential to stock data results in a better goodness of fit than any other model.
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:2)
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:5, Informative)
Patent 10000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1853 , 50000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1865, 100000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1870, 200000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1878, 500000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1893, 1000000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1911, 2000000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1935
Patent 3000000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1955, 4000000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1976, 5000000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1991, 6000000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 1999, 6500000 [uspto.gov] was issued in 2002,
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:3, Insightful)
The rate of population increase since 1900 has averaged about 1.37% per year. Patents have increased at more than double that rate at 2.73% per year.
Furthermore, the population growth appears to be slowing while the patent growth is speeding up.
I would guess that this is the result of a lot more businesses getting patents for
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:3, Informative)
For example, there are patents in the "09" and "10" series, but I don't believe there are any "08" series. I could be wrong about that, but I've never seen an "08" series in my technology.
Also, it should be observed that there weren't any television patents before 1940, there weren't any cable tv patents before 1950, and there weren't any flat panel tv patents before 1990. There are sim
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:5, Interesting)
1 - Traction Wheels - July 13, 1836
10 - Cutting Dye Wood - Aug 10, 1836
101 - Sails and Rigging - Dec 6, 1836
1,000 - Carriage Spring - Nov 3, 1838
10,000 - Paddle Wheel - Sep 6, 1853
100,000 - Horse Sun Bonnet - Feb 22, 1870
250,000 - Ditching Machine - Nov 22, 1881
500,000 - Combined Plush Tank & Manhole - Jun 20, 1893
1,000,000 - Vehicle Tire - Aug 8, 1911
1,500,000 - Submersible vessle for navigation under ice - Sept 10, 1920
2,000,000 - Vehicle Wheel Construction - May 12, 1932
2,500,000 - Interlock for Quick Fastening Doors - Dec 6, 1946
3,000,000 - Automatic Reading System - May 6, 1955
4,000,000 - Process for Recycling Asphalt-aggregate compositions - Dec 28, 1976
5,000,000 - Ethanol production by Escherichia coli strains co-expressing Zymomonas PDC and ADH genes - Mar 19, 1991
6,000,000 - Extendible method and apparatus for synchronizing multiple files on two different computer systems - Dec 7, 1999
6,750,000 - Electron device manufacturing method, a pattern forming method, and a photomask used for those methods - Jun 15, 2004
Approximate time between patents:
#1-10,000: 17 years
#10,000-100,000: 17 years
#100,000-500,000: 23 years
#500,000-1,000,000: 18 years
#1,000,000-2,000,000: 21 years
#2,000,000-3,000,000: 23 years
#3,000,000-4,000,000: 21 years
#4,000,000-5,000,000: 15 years
#5,000,000-6,000,000: 8 years
#6,000,000-6,750,000: 5 years
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:2)
#5,989,178: Immortality Device (Score:3, Funny)
November 23, 1999
A magnetic ring adapted to be worn on the little finger of the hand. The magnetic ring includes a ring and a pair of permanent magnets that extend from the ring. When the magnetic ring is worn on the little finger of the right hand, the pair of permanent magnets are oriented on the top and bottom, respectively, of the little finger, with the South pole of the magnet that is oriented on the top of the little finger generally contacting the top of the little f
Re:What is the distribution pattern (Score:5, Funny)
"Hello, my name is Benjamin Franklin and I am an inventor. I used to have no patents and no respect as a scientist, but today I have over 500 patents including the Franklin Stove and the Electric Kite! Follow these instructions exactly and in 200 years, you'll have nearly 6 MILLION patents in your name!
1: Copy this letter 10 times and add your name to the top as a co-inventor
2: Make a unique modification to the invention at the bottom
3: Submit that to the patent office and send this letter to 10 friends
In 200 years we will have over 6,000,000 patents!"
The government obviously had to stop this somehow, and make it look like an accident.
X-patents? (Score:5, Funny)
Working models of patent inventions (Score:5, Interesting)
The patent office once stored thousands of these little gadgets.
When the requirement was lifted, the patent office cleared out the warehouse, and gave way the models.
As you can imagine, most were probably trashed . . . given to kids who destroyed them. The surviving specimens are hot collector's prizes.
I once visited a collector's house, while doing "Dead Media" research. He had a few models. Most were of really pedestrian things, like automated brick makers.
STefan
Re:Working models of patent inventions (Score:2)
Needless to say, it was awesome!
US Patent Number 1 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:US Patent Number 1 (Score:2, Funny)
Re:US Patent Number 1 (Score:2, Funny)
X-patent? (Score:3, Funny)
Patent Number One (Score:2)
Stefan
ah yes... (Score:5, Funny)
Ah yes,thats the patent I based my "internal cubustion engine, ON THE INTERNET" patent. Big bucks I tell you.
meaningless (Score:2)
Had this been copyright, it's a different story. Realistically, copyrights never expire anymore (thanks to Disney + Sonny Bono and our "Big Business First" congressional philosophy).
Re:meaningless (Score:2)
Pay up! (Score:5, Funny)
Return of working model requirement?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Return of working model requirement?! (Score:3, Interesting)
But the designs for the first 16 ships of the modern fleet didn't exist as drawn plans at all, rathe
Re:Return of working model requirement?! (Score:3, Interesting)
How about a working prototype (Score:2)
also... (Score:4, Funny)
OMG they... a clue? Great!
That reminds me, this morning, I... my breakfast.
Re:also... (Score:2)
Re:also... (Score:2)
... == ?? (or 'the meaning of ellipses') (Score:2)
"Until this spring, that is, when two lawyers... a clue"
OMG they... a clue? Great!
That reminds me, this morning, I... my breakfast.
What does
Found?
Ate?
Poured milk on?
Lost?
Fried?
Or does it mean something naughty? If that's the case I don't want to hear about what the lawyers did to the clue, or for that matter what you did to your breakfast. Eww.
Oh, no - tell me you really didn't reall do THAT! (Score:2)
Tell me you didn't do that. I mean, ok, we are here on
Try getting a dog (or perhaps a pig - whatever you prefer). I heared that can help (ok, it might still not be great, but better than
Or best of all - get a girlfriend - that should prevent the entire situation.
So again - please don't throw away your breakfast, just cuz it looks suspicious, either feed it to your pets or get a girl
10000 Patents. (Score:5, Interesting)
10000 Patents in 43 years, That is a lot lower than the amount of patents issued nowadays. Perhaps the patent officers should take a cue from the old (dead) guys and be waaaaaaaay more stingy with patents that are granted. My bet is because they can't keep up with the amount of patents they pass more patents, so companies file for more patents.
Re:10000 Patents. (Score:2)
Those all play into the a large increase of patents granted in the last 100 years or so.
Re:10000 Patents. (Score:3, Funny)
Patent Office Spokesperson (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps I'm wrong - maybe the internal combustion engine *was* discovered.
"Where did you say you heard those noises?"
"Just up here, around this bend in the cave"
"Wait! I hear it! What sort of infernal creature is it?"
"God save us, I think it is coming this way!"
"Hold the lantern higher and brace yourselves!"
.....
"Aww, it's just a baby! It's no danger to anyone!"
"Let us call it 'Infernal Combustion Engine'."
"We did find it in this cave, how about 'Internal Combustion Engine'?"
"Brilliant!"
"This discovery will bring peace and prosperity to all the peoples of the world!"
(cue evil Doom3 music)...
Words mean things (Score:2)
Thank you; that is all.
Is Plato a slob? (Score:2)
so only 10,000 patents in the first 46 years (Score:2)
Patent #10001 (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sorry, but you owe me money (Score:2)
Another win for Darl (Score:3, Funny)
Well, of course-- that would be the original SCO internal combustion engine, the principles of which have been stolen by every car on the planet!
Museum (Score:2)
Right next to the patent system itself.
They both are SO last millennium...
So that's what happed to my ancestor's patent for (Score:3, Funny)
Y'all owe me one feptillion dollarf...
Fascinating Old Patents (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:If it happened today ... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:If it happened today ... (Score:2)
Re:If it happened today ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Worthless info. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Worthless info. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Worthless info. (Score:2, Insightful)
Maybe because you don't want a second patent issued for the same thing.
Re:Worthless info. (Score:5, Insightful)
Methinks you forget the entire *point* of a patent system.
The patent system exists so that inventors have an incentive to disclose their inventions to the public. This is so that others can use the invention once the patent expires, and the idea doesn't just sit in some forgotten vault.
The value of a patent to the country as a whole lies not in the time that the patent is valid, but after it expires, when it is freely availible to all for use.
Re:Worthless info. (Score:5, Interesting)
Two words: Prior Art.. (Score:2)
"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
Don't you mean the ones that were "destroyed"? (Score:2)
I thought they were gone forever...