The New York Times On Earth's Magnetic Flip-Flop 519
TolkiEinstein writes "The New York Times reports that, relatively speaking, compasses may soon point South. It's long been known that Earth flips magnetically every half-million years or so, and, with the north pole's magnetic field at about 10-15 percent [less than] its strength of 150 years ago, many geologists feel a flip is coming up. Computer simulations also suggest that the current state of the magnetic field is indicative of an upcoming flip. Though it would take hundreds of years to complete, the impact on life may be significant but not catastrophic, including phenomena such as power-outages, satellite malfunctions and disruptions in the rhythmic functions of some animals such as loggerhead turtles. The EU plans to launch a trio of satellites in 2009 to assume polar orbits & monitor the field." (Cross your fingers for some nice solar wind.) Update: 07/13 17:02 GMT by T : Note: the summary here originally misstated the Times' article; the field 's strength has decreased 10-15 percent, rather than to 10-15 percent.
Bush's fault (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Bush's fault (Score:5, Insightful)
Modded funny, but you just watch - people WILL blame the government when it happens. No matter how much you try to explain, no matter how clear the explainations are, a significant number of people are going to blame the government.
It's also the case that whoever is in office is going to get burned by the problems - blamed for "lack of preparedness" or "failure to respond to the situation" etc, etc. And there will be calls for huge governmennt expenditures to "fix" or "solve" the problem.
It's everyone's fault! (Score:4, Funny)
Likewise, by killing the Texan supercollider the government stopped all research into magnetic field movements. This research would not only have helped in our understanding of magnetic fields, but would also have helped in the current War on Terror by providing valuable information on how subatomic particles can affect semi-psychotic behaviors.
And by ignoring the Kyoto protocols, the US has selfishly allowed its atmosphere to heat up, no doubt affecting the internal stability of the Earth's iron core, making the situation worse.
Plus, clear-cut logging no doubt has caused rotational differentials across the US and the world (due to less air resistence), placing undue stress on the earth's core.
Lastly, by killing millions, if not billions, of creatures, modern civilization has hastened the onset of this problem by robbing the world of counterbalancing "life" or "female" energy, energy that would have counteracted the obviously "male" and "destructive" magnetic shift.
Re:Bush's fault (Score:4, Insightful)
If you need to ask, you don't deserve the mod.
Re:Bush's fault (Score:4, Insightful)
The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself...oh, and also Carnies. Circus folk. They're nomads you know. Smell like cabbage...very small hands....
Re:Bush's fault (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Bush's fault? No... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Bush's fault? No... (Score:4, Funny)
He'll have to add this one to his "Axis of evil." (Score:4, Funny)
Worldwide Aurora (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Worldwide Aurora (Score:2, Informative)
You better pray not. The magnetic field is what keeps some of the nasty radiation in space out of our safe(ish) little bubble. If the magnetic field does weaken signifigantly, may I suggest investing in some Factor 3000 sunblock...
Re:Worldwide Aurora (Score:5, Insightful)
Someone watched "The Core" one time too many. Earth's magnetic field does nothing to deflect UV radiation. I would recommend lead-lined clothing, not more sunblock. :)
Re:Worldwide Aurora (Score:4, Interesting)
UV is filtered mostly by ozone, the magnetic field (I think it's the Van Allen belt) catches the particles.
Their penetration isn't that great on solids/liquids so a decent thick layer of sunblock should help a lot.
Of course the main danger is atmospheric ablation - the current theory is that the reason Mars can't hold an atmosphere is cos' it has no magnetic field. It (probably) wouldn't be enough to totally strip the atmosphere - at least it hasn't before - but with the increasing toxicity of our atmosphere any change could be catastrophic.
Re:Worldwide Aurora (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Worldwide Aurora (Score:5, Informative)
The penetration isn't good because they expend all their energy quickly.
Think of it like birdshot from a shotgun - the penetration isn't exactly great but you'd rather be hit on an armoured bit any day
Hell, who needs skin anyway? It's so...millenial.
Re:Worldwide Aurora (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Worldwide Aurora (Score:3, Interesting)
Do also keep in mind that if this h
Re:Worldwide Aurora (Score:3, Funny)
However, just incase (and to prevent poor Taco from lawsuits when the apocolypse comes!)...
Ladies and Gentlemen, in the event of any kind of massive breakdown of the earth's radiation defenses, sublock with not be sufficient. This will be made abundandly clear by the sudden vaporizing effect you will feel on your body.
There you go... that should prevent the panic buying!
I for one.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I for one.. (Score:2, Funny)
Hope we don't get irradiated... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Hope we don't get irradiated... (Score:5, Informative)
For whatever reason everything will turn out ok. That being said, they didn't have computers and power grids back then.
Re:Hope we don't get irradiated... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hope we don't get irradiated... (Score:2)
And, less seriously, what about tinfoil hats?
Turtles (Score:5, Funny)
Could they have possibly picked a more random animal for that example?
And won't someone please think of the turtles?!?!?!?!?!
Re:Turtles (Score:2, Funny)
You're just more interested in the effect this will have on the CPIP. If there were a LTIP you'd think of the turtles a bit more yourself.
KFG
Re:Turtles (Score:3, Informative)
CPIP: Carrier Pigeon Internet Protocol
LTIP: Loggerhead Turtle Internet Protocol (I'm guessing)
{ala Snapple}(There are many other definitions for the acronym LTIP. Choose one that fits you.)
Re:Turtles (Score:5, Interesting)
For some reason this made me curious about turtles & magnetism- a little research [google.com] turned up this guy's [unc.edu] page about turtle migration [unc.edu] at UNC.
It includes this gem:
To determine how turtles respond to magnetic fields that exist in different parts of the ocean or to magnetic field elements (such as inclination and intensity) that they encounter while migrating, each hatchling was placed into a nylon-Lycra harness as shown below. [empaphis mine]
Image is here [unc.edu]
Re:Turtles (Score:2)
Re:Turtles (Score:2)
In Other News (Score:3, Funny)
All to extort the wealthiest nations on the planet for...one MILLION dollars.
Re:In Other News (Score:2)
Number One: Yes, Dr. Evil, apparently the earth itself is changing.
Dr. Evil: Number One, what else do you have for me?
Number One: Well, the magnetic disruption has created an entirely new breed of ill-tempered sea bass.
Dr. Evil: About frickin time.
Ahh (Score:2)
Hollywood Blockbuster? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? (Score:5, Funny)
Rephrase this: "...for the sake of more special effects."
Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? (Score:5, Insightful)
> next Hollywood blockbuster disaster movie?
They have, see "The Core"
> And of course in true Hollywood fashion
> they'll toss science out of the window for the
> sake of a better film
They did
Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? (Score:5, Informative)
That should have been linked to the "insultingly stupid movie physics" review [intuitor.com].
Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Hollywood Blockbuster? (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, when they head to the north magnetic pole to fix it and meet Santa Claus, they'll totally ignore that Santa Claus is at the north physical pole! Luckly they'll stop the reversal with two seconds left on the clock.
Speed 4. Compass Crazy (Score:4, Funny)
Floozie: " But won't that take, like, hundreds of years."
Cue the "exciting music" Hero: "Can't you see, we only have a few hundred years to defuse the bomb!!!!! or everyone within 1 acre of this part of the mountain is doomed!!!.
magnetic disks (Score:5, Funny)
Re:magnetic disks (Score:3, Interesting)
I know, it's naive to think that we'd still be using the same types of data storage technology in a few hundred years, but for deep archive it's certainly possible.. I mean look at historical archives and libraries - they're filled with books, and that is simply the storage media of days past, so maybe it's not absurd to think about.
I don't even know if this would affect these things, but
Re:magnetic disks (Score:3, Funny)
Re:magnetic disks (Score:5, Funny)
It makes this kind of "screeee" sound. Is that bad?
Re:magnetic disks (Score:3, Insightful)
Donate Fridge Magnets Now! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Donate Fridge Magnets Now! (Score:5, Funny)
Just be careful to cut them in half first, sending the north half to the north pole and vice versa, because otherwise it wouldn't work of course.
A few months ago... (Score:2, Interesting)
...I met Gary Glatzmeier, the guy who originally discovered the reversal effect during computer simulations. He's really smart, but at the same time very nice with it -- often a rarity for scientists who hit the big time.
What about the auroras? (Score:2, Interesting)
If the magnetic field flips, what about the auroras? Will we have (weaker) auroras all over the place while the field changes?
No (Score:4, Interesting)
Interestingly, although I can't find a link to it, I've seen estimates that the added solar radiation (NOT UV, so sunblock won't help) will cause 100,000 additional cases of cancer a year, but likely less than 5,000 additional deaths based on current cure rates. Given the increase in cancer treatment technology, the end result could be gorgeous nights and no signficant health impact on the developed world, and gorgeous nights and another health issue to raise money for, for the developing world.
I'd personally worry more about a climatic flip to an ice age than a dramatic weakening/flip of the magnetic field. Its hard to grow food for ten billion people on half the land, after all.
Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, coincidence ??? (Score:2, Interesting)
the Mayan calendar ends, hopefully it will go as gracefully
as scientists have predicted
As The southern hemisphere has its winter during our summer,
I am wondering if the seasons will flip flop as well ???
I also wonder if the polar shift will effect magma flows
I wonder if the magnetic field has any effect on plate tectonics too
Hopefully not, It is suppose to be a weak force
Peace,
Ex-MislTech
Re:Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, coincidence ??? (Score:5, Informative)
If you have kde run kworldwatch in speeded up mode to watch the sunlight distribution.
Re:Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, coincidence ??? (Score:5, Informative)
It will be hilarous if the poles flip about the time the Mayan calendar ends, hopefully it will go as gracefully as scientists have predicted.
Unlikely, since a full flip takes a few hundred years; it is not a sudden, catastrophic effect.
As The southern hemisphere has its winter during our summer, I am wondering if the seasons will flip flop as well ???
Unlikely, since the seasons are defined by the orientation of the Earth's rotation axis to its Solar orbital axis; they have nothing whatsoever to do with the magnetic axis.
I also wonder if the polar shift will effect magma flows ...
Unlikely; the fields are far to weak, and get even weaker during a field reversal.
I wonder if the magnetic field has any effect on plate tectonics too .
Unlikely, for the reasons I give above.
Re:Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, coincidence ??? (Score:3, Interesting)
In one of the few observed magnetic field reversals, it took only a few years [nasa.gov] for the Sun's magnetic field to reverse. Actually this appears to happen every 11 years, corresponding to the sunspot cycle. The Sun's magnetic poles are different than our Earth's, since they are located on the surface at sunspots.
Perhaps the earth could not flip-flop poles altogether. Instead, maybe we could have two north pole [nasa.gov]
Re:Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, coincidence ??? (Score:2, Funny)
I am wondering if the seasons will flip flop as well ???
If it takes the physical poles along with it, yes.
KFG
Re:Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, coincidence ??? (Score:3, Insightful)
1999 and seven months, actually. His believers changed their tune to 1999 and nine months (September, right? Sept = seven) in August, and when 2000 dawned without disaster they started pushing 2012 along with the rest of the k00k brigade.
Will it really affect us? (Score:3)
And just how would this be different to any other day.
Apart from compasses pointing south and and increased demand for factor 500, we shouldn't all begin to panic needlessly.
The compass was a pretty shoddy means of navigation anyway, with the movement of the poles and all. And sunbathing?! What kind of pasttime is that?!
This could affect global warming though. Combined with the greenhouse effect we could all be fried little geeks.
I wonder if it would be possible to set up a network of gigantic electromagnets and attempt to impede or even reverse the earths magnetic flip flop?
Obligatory (Score:2)
Time for the editor to RTFA (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Time for the editor to RTFA (Score:2)
And yet, miraculously, my I-top still functions. Better try to break that spin record while I still can...
Re:Time for the editor to RTFA (Score:3, Funny)
Typical - So typical (Score:5, Informative)
From the poster's text:
"and, with the north pole's magnetic field at about 10-15 percent it's strength of 150 years ago"
From the article itself:
"The field's strength has waned 10 to 15 percent, and the deterioration has accelerated of late"
Those two quotes are not the same. The poster's lack of attention to detail has turned the articles 10 to 15 percent reduction (a relative value) into a 10 to 15 percent strength (an absolute value). The meaning is totally different, and the poster should apologize for spreading mis-information.
Re:Typical - So typical (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't understand why the Slashdot staff doesn't at least briefly research considered submissions to ensure they're are not dups and, more importantly, are accurate; spell checking submissions before posting them would be helpful too.
End of my rant
PBS special on this (Score:3, Interesting)
This would be good but (Score:5, Funny)
Re:This would be good but (Score:2)
Re:This would be good but (Score:2)
Or
Interesting Show (Score:5, Informative)
Like in Rand McNally? (Score:2, Funny)
Finally! (Score:2)
Me.
Magnetic chaos (Score:5, Informative)
Ob Jack Handy -like quote (Score:4, Funny)
Why read the Times for Science? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Why read deliberate dis-info at all. . ? (Score:5, Interesting)
As a Physicist I can tell you that that is exactly like science works and that it has worked well for centuries.
There is a method that, when put bluntly, is like this: "If you put forward an extraordinary, off-mainstream hypothesis you've better a) come from a respectable university/research group, b) show some extraordinary, easily reproducible evidence for it too and c) get ready for some serious ad hominem bashing, ridicule and possibly loss of funds". It all comes with the territory.
I'm glad popular science mags like SA adhere to this standard.
Re:Why read deliberate dis-info at all. . ? (Score:3, Interesting)
And how, exactly, is that helping science?
The peer-review-process is badly broken. It only promotes ordodox science and the fund
Re:Why read deliberate dis-info at all. . ? (Score:4, Interesting)
Truth has a formidable way of eventually winning: it is the truth. No matter how derided were the people who proposed plate techtonics or quantum physics, it eventually won out because it worked better than anything else. If a result is reproducible then someone will reproduce it and confirm it. It doesn't then matter what high-ranked people in various department thought of the idea.
This means that to be a successful scientist, you not only need to be creative, smart, inventive, patient and persistent, you also need to have balls of steel and a will of iron and prepare for the worst of injustice. Not only that, but when they do succeed after a hard slog, they often become the highly-ranked people who deride other people's ideas.
A proper supervisor tells their student about all this during their PhDs. You soon find out if you are fit for the job.
Re:Why read deliberate dis-info at all. . ? (Score:3, Interesting)
No new theory should dismantle an old theory that has stood.
I don't agree with that. Even a single reproducable counter-example is in principle enough to disprove a theory. Even in the absence of alternative theories.
The moment you can experimentally show some effect of relativity, you know that Newton is wrong. Or more accurately, that Newton is only a good approximation for situations where the speed and distance is low.
I do agree
Ridicule has worked well for centuries. . . (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't know whether to smile or frown at your statement. --The suppressive systems designed to keep people ill-evolved and ignorant certainly do work effectively, though primarily as population control measures rather than any sort of formula for attaining and sharing knowledge.
"If you put forward an extraordinary, off-mainstream hypothesis you've better a) come from a respectable university
Less a flip and more a migration... (Score:3, Informative)
Having said that, I doubt even the turtles that rely on the field for navigation would notice. They would adapt to sense the less powerful field over time or they would loose the need to use it. Navigation is done by point of reference. And since the navigational lines of force are moving so slowly, the turtles wouldn't care. The North Pole being 200 miles from where it was for the turtle's great grandparents really doesn't matter to today's turtle. He just wants to get back to where he started from a year or so ago. The shift should be slow enough for him to do this.
The reduced magnetic field seems to be much more of a concern. But, again, we will adapt much like the turtles will. But instead of adapting our biology, we'll adapt our technology. It's not that we can't make a satellite or power grid that can handle solar wind and storms; it's just that we haven't done it. Why not? We haven't needed to. Think of the reduced magnetic field as job security.
Re:Less a flip and more a migration... (Score:5, Insightful)
No. In fact, frequently the opposite [urbandictionary.com] is what actually happens.
~Philly
I knew a magnetic Pole once (Score:2, Funny)
flushing ? (Score:2, Funny)
i wonder if toilets will flush counter-clockwise ?
What about Santa? (Score:5, Funny)
Magnetic Reversals (Score:5, Informative)
While the article does little to posit the consequences of these competing theories, it does provide a good deal of insight as to why and when the changes occur. It does conclude, however, that "many investigators believe that the trend [magnetic pole weakening] will not continue and the field will regain its strength, as it has many times in the past."
Re:Magnetic Reversals (Score:3, Informative)
Ok, who did it? (Score:5, Funny)
Migratory Birds (Score:4, Interesting)
Thank God (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, we're in big trouble. (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if some posts are in jest, we've had folks questioning the results of a simple magnetic shift affecting the direction of the coreolis affect, (toilet flushes), tilt of the earth (seasons), loss of the atmosphere, and viability of all satellites in orbit.
Even if it happened over a couple years (which it doesn't), the only affect I've seen which is certain to happen is that the Government will be blamed for it.
Bizarro World (Score:5, Funny)
So once the poles finish reversing, will I have to hack my GPS receiver and invert its display to make its compass point to the new "North" pole?
And will we have to switch around all the highway signs so that I-95 North heads towards Mexico and I-95 South leads to Canda?
And will we have to rename North and South Dakota, North and South Carolina, etc?
The hell with the loggerhead turtles, I've got serious questions that need to be answered! :-)
CRTs will be obsolete (Score:3, Funny)
Same reason there are northern and southern hemisphere compasses except it's a needle balancing issue. In the northern hemisphere, the "north" end of the needle gets pulled down, and it gets pulled up in the southern hemisphere. There are global compasses that work by allowing you to readjust the balance or by using a gimbaled disk magnet.
Sure its true. (Score:4, Informative)
Mainly it occurs on high end monitors. And they have sophisticated means built in to combat it.
Please, not another pro-Kerry article! (Score:3, Funny)
Oh well, at least they did have the decency to call him what he really is: a flip-flop.
Moderators: Laugh. It's called political humor.
Sun's field flips every 22 years (Score:3, Interesting)
This happens frequently... not a reversal (Score:5, Informative)
The magnetic field is a 'random process'. There is no real good statistical predictor of when the next reversal will happen.
Re:First Post? (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:What (Score:2, Informative)
What I meant to say before bumping the enter key on an incomplete post was...
In the summary, it says the field is at 10-15% of where it was 150 years ago, but the article says it has WANED 10-15%, which would actually make it 85-90% of where it was 150 years ago...
Re:Remember "Core"? (Score:2)
Re:Remember "Core"? (Score:3, Funny)