The Galaxy's Largest Diamond 364
unassimilatible writes "The Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics reports 'to impress your favorite lady this Valentine's Day, get her the galaxy's largest diamond.' A newly discovered cosmic diamond is a chunk of crystallized carbon 50 light-years from the Earth in the constellation Centaurus. It is 2,500 miles across and weighs 5 million trillion trillion pounds, which translates to approximately 10 billion trillion trillion carats, or a one followed by 34 zeros. A cheesy, unrealistic simulation is also available. AP has a story as well."
Largest diamond? (Score:2, Informative)
Then again, maybe Sir Arthur's conjecture is right and there's a much larger diamond in our own "backyard". Now if only the Firstborn would do their thing and fire up Lucifer, diamond would be as cheap as sand...
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q2270.html
Um...not quite (Score:5, Informative)
2010 : Odyssey Two (Score:5, Informative)
10 billion trillion trillion??? (Score:3, Informative)
Slashdot has already run that story (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Quite the sparkle? (Score:5, Informative)
But in time, the bottom will fall out. In 1943, Linde Chemical created the first synthetic sapphire. Now, you can buy 200mm sapphire bar stock. [maintechsapphires.com] Big 16mm gem-quality sapphires are available for about $10. The same thing happened to rubies and emeralds.
They're just rocks, people.
calculations (again) (Score:5, Informative)
Gravitatotional Force
Fg = G * m1 * m2 * r^-2
Gravitational Acceleration Fg/m2
Ag = G *m1 * r^-2
G = 6.67E-11
m1= 5 million trillion trillion lbs = 5 * 10^6 * 10^12 * 10^12 lbs= 5E30 lbs *(1kg/2.2lbs) = 2.26E30 kg
r = diameter of 2500mi/2 = 1250mi * (1609 m/mi) = 2011680 meters
Ag= 6.67E-11 * 2.26E30kg * (2011680m)^-2 = 37,249,159.4 m/s^2
Ag = (37,249,159.4 m/s^2)/(9.8 m/s^2)= 3,800,934.63 g's
3.8 million times earth gravity?
Unless there was some mistake in the way they described the mass (million billion trillion) that seems pretty rough right?
again correct me if i was wrong.
More reasonable units of measure (Score:5, Informative)
Acceleration due to Gravity? (Score:2, Informative)
acceleration = Gm/r^2
G = Gravitational constant = 6.67*10^-11
m = mass (Kg) = 2.26796185*10^30 Kg (or - 5*10^30 Lb)
r = radius to the center of the object (m) = 2011680 m (or - 2500miles / 2)
acceleration = (6.67*10^-11)(2.26796185*10^30 Kg) / (2011680 m ^2)
acceleration due to gravity = 37,380,386.1 m/s^2 !?!?!?!?
um what? (Score:1, Informative)
which KIND of makes sense but is really very obscure that i find it hard to believe that it would go plus 4 funny so fast
Percieved Value (Score:2, Informative)
Diamonds unfortunately are the product of blood feuds, multinational marketing values, and an evil corporate identity.
Re:Arthur C. Clarke's 2063: Odyssey Three (Score:1, Informative)
Moderators, come on! (Score:5, Informative)
The poster is a well-known troll: look at his history. Please mod the jerk into oblivion.
Re:ppfffttt (Score:5, Informative)
A "snob"? A little skepticism is warranted here.
White dwarfs have densities in the ballpark of one million grams per cc. Have we ever compressed any matter on earth at all to a density of 1 million grams per cc? Do you seriously think that carbon, which as diamond has an invariant density of 3.51 g/cc, would still exist in something resembling its familiar form at a density of 1 million g/cc? As a covalently bonded sp3 tetrahedral diamond lattice?
The internuclear spacing of carbon nuclei in a carbon dwarf is about 1% of what it is in an ordinary diamond. It may be made of carbon, but this is not diamond. I doubt it's even diamondlike. It's something else.
Re:Formation (Score:4, Informative)
Not necessarily diamond (Score:4, Informative)
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0402046
Second, nowhere in the paper is there any mention of "diamond". Crystallized carbon can also be in graphite form, so it might actually be a very large pencil lead...
Yes! Cat's Eye Nebula! (Score:1, Informative)
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archi
Re:Numbers (Score:4, Informative)
million: 6 zeroes
milliard: 9 zeroes
billion: 12
billiard: 15
trillion: 18
trilliard: 21
quadrillion: 24
quintillion: 30
hexillion or sexillion: 36
septillion: 42
octillion: 48
nonillion: 54
decillion: 60
undecillion: 66
duodecillion: 72
A duodecillion is about as big as you get, roughly being the number of particles in the galaxy. You could keep on counting if you liked, the system is a derivative of roman numerals (with some greek for flavour).
In the 17th century the French decided to get rid of all the "iard"'s and have steps of 3 zeroes instead of 6 between the "ion"'s. The USA adopted this system.
The Brittish kept the original system, and in 1948 the French reverted to the "iard" system, this leaving the USA as the only country ussing a different system, giving rise to much misunderstanding and potential problems like space probes hitting Mars.
Adriaan Renting.
Re:Um...not quite (Score:1, Informative)
Re:calculations (again) (Score:5, Informative)
so we'll end with round about 3040.74 g's, if everything else is right, which i didn't check.
Re:Numbers (Score:4, Informative)
Interesting article on this in Wired last year: (Score:2, Informative)
Gold reserves non-issue (Score:4, Informative)
If the world were flooded with gold, industrialized nations would use it as a resource in producing consumer goods. We would have gold everything, but, the world markets would remain intact.
What is up with this generations geeks? (Score:2, Informative)
someone should check their sources (Score:2, Informative)
though there is evidence to suport that if Jupiter were to have a higher deuterium (heavy hydrogen) content, it would turn into a star, however this is not happening, so don't worry about having no night anytime soon.
Re:Numbers (Score:3, Informative)
The U.S. isn't the only country in North America!
Re:Quite the sparkle? (Score:3, Informative)
Sure it is, it's rare, though, and quite unlike gemstones, can not be synthesized (transmuted, yes, but that costs way more than gold itself).
And cash is just ink and paper.
Yes, it is. In that respect, you're right, cash is just like diamonds - it's only valuable because it's controlled by someone - but unlike diamonds, cash is not controlled by illegal cartel. Some people won't like governments or other administrative organizations, but I don't think anyone thinks money would be better of in hands of de Beers than central banks of nations.
These things have value because people believe they have, but they also have value because they are at least somewhat rare, due to someone controlling the supply. If you put unlimited amount of cash to market, it leads inevitably to inflation, pieces of ink and paper no longer have any value because there are too many of them.
If you put enough diamonds on market, same thing happens, they lose any value they had, be it real or imaginary.
Re:Formation (Score:5, Informative)
As stars run out of hydrogen, they start fusing other elements present in their cores. This takes them through different stages of stellar evolution (red giant, horizontal branch stars, assymptotic branch stars, etc.) They continue to gain energy from this process until they reach iron. When these stars fuse elements heavier than iron, they don't actually get a net energy output from the reaction and thus their pressure source (fusion) cannot sustain the equilibrium against the gravitational force that constantly tries to collapse them. This is when a supernovae event occurs. As the star collapses under its own gravitation, the core rapidly fuses anything it can as the density increases. This is why the previous poster is right in saying that the main source for elements heavier than iron in the universe is supernovae.
Corrected URL (Score:5, Informative)
They're selling yellow diamonds. I thought the Russians had a process years ago for adding some metal to the stew that hoovered up the nitrogen that caused the yellow color, producing clear diamonds.
I'm with the Slashdotter who said that even at the same price, he'd prefer to own or give a jewel embodying human science, engineering, ingenuity and cooperation rather than one dug out of the ground in an armed camp. My wife feels the same way. If I had to have a natural diamond I'd wait for a Martian one.
Re:2010 : Odyssey Two (Score:1, Informative)
Both you and the parent are off by one book. 2010 did not have the giant diamond, 2061 had it. Chunks of it were ejected from Jupiters core and one mountain sized shard managed to land on Europa, amazingly enough doing it at a speed that did cause devestation across the entire moon. A little suspension of disbelief is needed there but it is lessened by the possibility that the monolith may have intervened to stop a tragedy from befalling the species it was nurturing on Europa. Of course, why it would let it land at all is a bit of a question, but it could have been because the monolith saw no reason to waste more energy than absolutely neccessary or maybe it was even some sort of test for humanity.
Humanity mining the giant diamond chunks floating around would have happened between 2061 and the book 3001. In 3001, humanity has advanced quite a lot, with their technology getting close to "indistinguishable from magic" from our point of view. One of the astronauts who died in 2001 is found frozen in space, surely suffering damage to every single cell and completely dead by all modern standards. He is revived and goes on to take part, along with HAL in the destruction of the monolith, which has gotten instructions back from the main office to wipe out humanity because we got a pretty bad report card around the beginning of the millenium.
Re:Numbers (Score:3, Informative)
You can find the name for "5 million trillion trillion" == 5e30 by using my English name of a number [isthe.com], an open source Perl program that can generate names of numbers of any size (e.g., the English name of the largest known prime [isthe.com]).
In the above article, one could replace ''5 million trillion trillion pounds'' with:
And one could replace ''10 billion trillion trillion carats'' with:
Re:ppfffttt (Score:4, Informative)
Oh in those collisions the density is much much higher- maybe a factor of a thousand times higher, approaching neutron star density. But in fact ALL nuclei have comparable density and as you point out we have no macroscopic quantity of this stuff.
White dwarfs are supported by degenerate electron pressure. So many electrons are crammed into such a small space that the entire star has become something like one giant atom with lots of nuclei in it. All low energy electron quantum states are occupied by electrons. Except at the very highest energy levels near the Fermi energy [wikipedia.org], which are adjacent to unoccupied levels immediately above, giving the electrons in those states a little freedom of movement.
A white dwarf has no internal energy source- it spends the rest of its life cooling down into a cinder. Since the star is hot (surface temps are commonly 100000 K) there is some spillover into higher energy levels. But as the star cools down, they gradually settle down and fill all available levels below the Fermi energy.
The nuclei, OTOH, still have plenty of room. They are still bouncing around and having collisions in the star like a classical gas because they still have so many unoccupied quantum states to explore. There probably isn't much difference between a carbon-dominated white dwarf and a helium-dominated one, since the behavior of both is mostly determined by what the electrons are doing. The article says that by studying pulsations of the star, they determined that the interior has "solidified to form the galaxy's largest diamond". It leaves out some details. What is "solidifying"? The electrons or the embedded nuclei? It could mean a bunch of things. "Diamond" is not really one of them, though. This would be a different sort of diamond than you are used to.
When you hear an astrophysicist claiming that he has found a "girl's best friend" in space, always be skeptical. These physicists know little about what girls really want.