Nationwide Fiber Optic Science Network 129
zCyl writes "An article at SMH describes a large fiber optic network called the National LambdaRail, which has completed 1,084 out of a planned 16,000 kilometers between major universities and research institutions. Upon completion it should transmit 400 Gbps and stretch across the continental U.S. Access to the network will be intentionally restricted to scientists and researchers only 'for research and experimentation in networking technologies and applications'."
And once it goes commercial (Score:1, Funny)
Access to the network will be intentionally restri (Score:1)
No possiblitly of SPAM atleast as we know it...
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Re:And once it goes commercial (Score:2)
Spam (Score:1, Redundant)
I wonder how long it will take for spammers to find a way into this network...
Re:Spam (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:Spam (Score:2)
However, I wouldn't anticipate any kind of e-mail appearing very soon on this fiber optic network, so we have yet to see whether or not a spammer would even want on it.
Re:Spam (Score:1)
i remember when... (Score:1)
Re:i remember when... (Score:1)
Hasn't this been done already? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Hasn't this been done already? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Hasn't this been done already? (Score:1)
I wonder (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I wonder (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I wonder (Score:1)
Re:I wonder (Score:2)
-Tom
Re:I wonder (Score:3, Funny)
And as far as I know, they do drill oil and gas up there somewhere...
</sarcasm>
Re:I wonder (Score:2)
Well, except for the vast reserves in Alberta.
Re:I wonder (Score:4, Funny)
Canada is already hooked into Lambda.... (Score:1)
CANET 4 Home Page [canarie.ca]
Link regarding international hookup to CANET 4. [canarie.ca]
"CA*net 4 also links to research networks in other countries including Internet 2 in the United States and Geant in Europe and is a partner along with SURFnet in the Netherlands and the STAR LIGHT in Chicago of the International Lambda Grid Testbed." (emphasis added)
So there you have it, a good portion of Canada's research institutions are are already linked into the Lambda initiative.
Grid Computing on Steroids (Score:1)
How would you use that? (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:How would you use that? (Score:5, Interesting)
You're not going to get 50GB/sec from one node to another. it's from one network to another. PCI-X 533 (the next gen PCI-X) can only do 4.3GB/s. However, if you want to connect a cluster of, say, a dozen nodes with PCI-X 533 to another dozen nodes with PCI-X 533 across the country...
PCI Express (Score:2)
Re:PCI Express (Score:2)
Re:How would you use that? (Score:1)
Re:How would you use that? (Score:1)
Re:How would you use that? (Score:1)
Re:How would you use that? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:How would you use that? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:How would you use that? (Score:2)
Argue with Cisco and not me.
Re:How would you use that? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:How would you use that? (Score:2)
A list of folks doing work in this space. Examples via the RENs (research and education network) web pages:
http://apps.internet2.edu/showcase-archiv e
http://www.canarie.ca/press/publications/re search_ horizons.pdf
http://archive.dante.net/geant/geant -publicity.htm l#SHDTdemo
Examples
In the spirit of public service... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:In the spirit of public service... (Score:2)
Rural America? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Rural America? (Score:1)
That all being said, it
Urban America (Score:4, Informative)
The concept of rural is that which is distinguished from the city. While cities are havens for technology, the countryside is for nature. If you want tech, go where tech is, don't get angry because tech won't come to you. It's not cost effective to wire rural areas - isolated household require up to several miles of dedicated lines serving only one customer, which is not cost effective. It would require decades of subscription from you to pay for the lines to your house. This isn't the case in urban/suburban areas where individual houses only require a few dozen feet of cable.
Oh, and you wouldn't have the internet at all if not for the academics you're trying to fight. If you want a better connection, support the people trying to invent the technology to make it feasible.
Re:Urban America (Score:2)
Re:Urban America (Score:2)
Re:Urban America (Score:2)
Re:Rural America? (Score:2)
Re:Rural America? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Rural America? (Score:2)
So don't live in the middle of nowhere. Not running new lines out to you in the middle of nowhere has nothing to do with "monopolistic telephone companies", it wouldn't happen in a totally competitive market either, because it's simply not cost effective to rewire every few years for a few customers ou
Re:Rural America? (Score:3, Insightful)
1- PAY THE PREMIUM
2- MOVE TO TOWN
3- LIVE WITH CRAPPY DIALUP
these are your choices.
I pay taxes, and I own real estate.(well a mortgage)
If I choose to live in the boonies for lower mortgage costs and lower tax values, I have to give up conveniences like corner coffe shops, and economical internet access..
Move to new york, and you can have any of a plethora of connection options- including free wifi in places....
Re:Rural America? (Score:2)
Sucks for you (Score:2)
To sum:
PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!
Clear enough?
Re:Sucks for you (Score:1)
"PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!"
Clear enough?
Re:Sucks for you (Score:1)
: IT YOURSELF! PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!"
: Clear enough?
I can't agree more. Unfortunately, the state government insists on distributing the cost to those who don't use these resources.
If it makes you feel any better, I guarantee you I'm paying more than my fair share for the public resources I use, tax rates being what they are and all.
As a final note, never underestimate a libertarian's desire to stop benefitting unfairly from the productivity of others.
Re:Sucks for you (Score:2)
Re:Rural America? (Score:2)
You should call up a major cable/DSL provider and see if
This one's not a flame... (Score:2)
Try googleing for terms like "rural 802.11 cooperative [google.us]".
Re:Rural America? (Score:1)
For how long? (Score:2)
Re:For how long? (Score:1)
Hey, it happened last time.
High speed to nowhere? (Score:1)
Tax write-off (Score:2)
The interesting thing to me is that the players in this are either universities, hardware vendors, or ISPs.
It's easy to see what the universities get out of it (no, it's not just p0rn). But the vendors? Aha! They get to do their R&D and call it a donation to a non-profit. They even get Slashdot to give them publicity for it.
Clever da5ebf%s^H^H^H^H^H^H ooops, sorry, my aluminum foil slipped off my head for an instant. Now I have to go shower again!
Spaceballs Reference (Score:3, Funny)
"scientists and researchers only" ?linux (Score:1)
Imagine, a new distro, once uploaded on one university site, could spread across the country in literally no time at all!
Re:"scientists and researchers only" ?linux (Score:2)
Since when can Linux distros violate the laws of physics?
Re:"scientists and researchers only" ?linux (Score:5, Funny)
Ideal for... (Score:2)
Bandwidth, but what about latency? (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps in the future bandwidth will be an almost infinite resource and protocols will be designed around minimizing latency. For example for a remote filesystem you might design a server that spews out all changes to all files as they happen - to every other host that is looking at the filesystem. The bandwidth cost of sending unnecessary files is not significant, and it means a saving in latency because file data will be immediately available at the client end rather than requiring a round trip. (This assumes you don't care about locking and race conditions - but classical NFS doesn't anyway.)
Similarly, web servers might be designed to spew forth a whole bunch of pages you might possibly be interested in as soon as you connect to their site, and your browser's job is to cache them and then show the ones you want. If you want a page that isn't in the set the server sent you, you'll need to make another round trip, and that could be the slowest part. We will certainly need something like this for interplanetary web browsing at acceptable speeds.
Re:Bandwidth, but what about latency? (Score:1)
Re:Bandwidth, but what about latency? (Score:2)
We can dramatically increase the data transfer rate without increasing the speed of light.
Re:Bandwidth, but what about latency? (Score:1)
Re:Bandwidth, but what about latency? (Score:1)
pr0n? (Score:3, Funny)
I think they mispelled 'pr0n'.
Geant movie (Score:2, Informative)
I don't get it.... (Score:1)
I can see it now (Score:4, Funny)
Internet2 and Lambdarail are different. (Score:4, Informative)
They are cooperating networks [startap.net]
360 Networks Fiber Backbone (Score:2)
http://www.360networks.com/Our_Networks---North
hmm (Score:1)
hopefully this will stay as something for the scientists only.
Why Yet Another High Speed Research Network? (Score:3, Informative)
Specifically, absolutely unconditionally zero impact to any other data transmissions across the network because these transmissions are actually physically (ie optically) seperate and distinct transmissions.
In short, if we could literally segment a 'slice' off the network and isolate it from everything else running around, what would/could we do with it?
Internet2 is a completely different concept.
All the data is transmitted across one network (ie not guaranteed via 'optical separation'; ie 'just like The Internet Today, only much faster') and researching how to route/switch/filter a trillion-zillion packets with minimal latency/guaranteed QoS/additional application-specific functionality and then given those network-abilities researching how to manage that network and what new uses you can apply to that network.With (apparently) the specific intention of eventually, one day, before-the-heat-death-of-the-universe, rolling out said network and enhanced functionality to "the real world/the rest of us humans".
You've been playing too much when... (Score:2)
Re:scientists and researchers only (Score:4, Funny)
Re:scientists and researchers only (Score:1)
It does nothing but look at pr0n all day, and was inspirede upon suggestion from ISPs.