Treating Cancer with Beams of Anti-Matter 55
Zeinfeld writes "According to this Economist article scientists at CERN are using beams of antimatter to destroy cancer cells. The basic idea is that you make some anti-protons, whizz them round in a accelerator to get them moving at a decent rate then fire them at living tissue. They burrow down to the desired depth, find a friendly proton and do a spot of mutual anihilation, releasing sufficient energy in the process to kill a cell or two. The trick is that matter/anti-matter anihilation is a bit like nuclear fission, it does not work if the particles are moving too fast. The anti-proton has to be moving slowly enough to get pulled into the orbit of some atomic nucleus and actually collide. This allows the treatment to be fine tuned so it only affects the tissues at a very specific depth - unlike traditional therapies which zap everything in the line of fire."
Old information (Score:1, Informative)
So hospitals... (Score:5, Funny)
Why do I get the feeling I can't afford to have cancer...
Re:So hospitals... (Score:4, Informative)
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PET scan question (Score:2)
But if they're generating positrons, what happens when the resulting positrons happen to encounter electrons? Is there enough energy released to help with the treatment, or is the energy negligible, or do the positive and negative charges prevent most collision
Re:So hospitals... (Score:2, Funny)
cool tech (Score:1)
wow (Score:1)
Star Trek becoming reality, one cool invention at a time.
Re:wow (Score:1)
I was more refering to using anti-matter for practical uses.
Not engines.
Its not a death ray... (Score:3, Funny)
Antimatter (Score:5, Informative)
--trb
faster treatment (Score:1)
My anti-self (Score:3, Funny)
Re:My anti-self (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:in line of fire - OR NOT! (Score:3, Informative)
What?!? This sentence makes no sense.
X-rays and alpha particles are two different things. Alpha particles are high energy helium nuclei emitted by the decay of large atomic nuclei (Uranium, plutonium...). X-rays are high energy light. I doubt alpha paticles are useful for treating cancer as they do not pe
Re:in line of fire - OR NOT! (Score:4, Informative)
X-Ray therapy would involve gamma particles (aka photons) not alpha particles. Alpha particles are ionized helium.
As for the whole, spin thing, you must be smoking crack.
What is sometimes done, is stereotactic radiotherapy. Multiple beams of gamma rays are aimed so that they all cross at a single point. Each beam by itself won't cause much damage, but at the point where they cross, the combined dose is enought to kill the tumor. You can also do this by spining a weak beam for an extended period of time. Maybe that is what you meant?
Re:in line of fire - OR NOT! (Score:2)
Of course it is gamma particles. Sorry for the wrong info.
The spin I have heard from an X-Ray equipment technician, so I am pretty sure it is good info.
Focusing I am 100% sure of. And the fact that x-ray is also depth-contrallable treatment I am even surer (if there is such a thing).
And I don't smoke crack, I heard it is bad for your teeth...
Re:in line of fire - OR NOT! (Score:3, Informative)
Focusing I am 100% sure of. And the fact that x-ray is also depth-contrallable treatment I am even surer (if there is such a thing).
Yes, but it's not depth-controllable in the sense you're thinking of. They maximize the damage to the region of interest, but the surrounding regions do get irradiated, just to a lesser extent. The degree to which they're irradiated depends on either the number of beams (in a multi-beam apparatus) or the rate of rotation (in a rotating apparatus).
The problem is that if you
Re:in line of fire - OR NOT! (Score:2)
You need to be very careful when you use the term "spin" when talking about radiation and subatomic particles. As note by myself and others when you say spin you must be referring to the rotation of the radiation source (or multiple beams) around the target in order to minimize the radiation dose delivered to healthy tissue while maximizing the dose delivered to the tumor.
The way you use it in your original post
Re:in line of fire - OR NOT! (Score:2, Informative)
It took all my will power to not kick him.
Anyway, you can't really focus
Look, someone confirms my sig! (Score:3, Informative)
That's like asking an auto mechanic about the algorithms used by your engine-control software. The answer you got was just as ignorant. The person to ask about this is a physicist. (I am not a physicist, but I can get away with playing one on Slashdot for reasons which are obvious.)
Gammas aren't "particles" as you understand them. They are high-energ
Zap everything in the line of fire??? (Score:2)
This allows the treatment to be fine tuned so it only affects the tissues at a very specific depth - unlike traditional therapies which zap everything in the line of fire.
Ever heard [amershamhealth.com] of a Bragg [protons.com] Peak? [nejm.org]
Ever heard of multi-beam treatment?
Sheesh!
Re:Zap everything in the line of fire??? (Score:4, Informative)
Ever heard of multi-beam treatment?
Sheesh!
Actually, if you read the article instead of the Slashdot synopsis. The point of using anti-protons is that you get the same effect as Bragg Peak (didn't know the name until you mentioned it thanks!) with regular protons. In addition, shortly after dumping most of the ionization energy into the tumor tissue, the anti-proton meets a proton causing more damage at the targeted location. I think the idea is that even while proton treatments can be well targeted they still deliver radiation doses to intervening tissue, by using anti protons you can deliver more radiation for the same dose to intervening tissue.
Re:Zap everything in the line of fire??? (Score:2)
Thanks for the reply. I did RT[F]A - my "Sheesh" was aimed at the author of the Slashdot synopsis, not the author of the article. Current treatments don't "Zap everything in the line of fire" - they do have some incidental exposure, but nothing like it used to be before multi-beam and utilizing the Bragg Peak to deposit the dose where you want it.
Re:Zap everything in the line of fire??? (Score:3, Funny)
Hey don't blame me. Do you guys understand what it takes to get a story accepted by Slashdot? Giving an accurate and concise review of the facts gets you nowhere in this town.
Its breathless tabloidese or your post goes straight into the bit bucket. I had to spend several hours working out how to turn it into an anti-Microsoft story first.
Stone Age Medicine (Score:5, Informative)
Fermilab has had a neutron beam therapy [fnal.gov] very similar to the CERN anti-proton therapy since 1976. Neutrons are radioactive by themselves with a half life of about 14 minutes. Once deposited in some tissue they will either decay or combine with an atom to form a radioactive isotope (which then decays).
There are other unique radio therapies including Brachytherapy [brachytherapy.com] (place radioactive isotopes in the tumor) and Radioimmunotherapy [bexxar.com] (attach a radioactive isotope to a nonoclonal antibody). The latter sounds very neat and targeted. But none address the fundamental problem -- why do cells turn cancerous.
-- Bob
Re:Stone Age Medicine (Score:3, Informative)
1^2 = (-1)^2, but when you take the root you get (+/-)1, so (+/-)1 = (+/-)1
M@
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-- Bob
Re:math (Score:1)
(-1)^2=(1)^2; sqrt((-1)^2)=sqrt(1^2); 1=1.
Because, sqrt((-1)^2)=|-1|, not -1, and therefore is 1. Right?
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Re:Stone Age Medicine (Score:4, Informative)
We know many reasons that cells turn cancerous. They accumulate genetic mutations that allow them to divide and spread without responding to normal signals that inhibit those processes. The genetics of particular tumors and even of particular tumor types remains an area of intense research.
The causes of mutations are many. One is the intrinsic randomness of enzymes within cells. They make mistakes. DNA enzymes can introduces mistakes, and they can fail to repair mistakes. Some chemicals and some forms of radiation can damage DNA. Certain people are more likely to incur such damage over a lifetime than others because their starting genetic makeup includes defects.
It would be wonderful to have therapies that reverse harmful mutations. No such therapies exist. I know of no research pursuing such therapies. Instead, the goal of all cancer therapies is to kill malignant cells.
no, it's not "Stone Age" (Score:2)
Biologists have a pretty good understanding of how cells turn cancerous, but that doesn't result in clear and obvious treatments.
In fact, the body has the ability to kill cancer cells if it recognizes that there is a problem and if the cancer hasn't become too large or encapsulated. All those crude methods help shift the balance back in the body's favor.
Think of it this way: if there is a 1
Re:no, it's not "Stone Age" (Score:2, Informative)
Biologists have a good idea of what causes cancer in general, but not necessarily for a given individual. There are many causes to cancer - carcinogens, genetic predisposition, etc. - and often several of these factors will combine before someone gets cancer.
In fact, the body has the ability to kill cancer cells if it recognizes that there is a problem and if the cancer hasn
Re:no, it's not "Stone Age" (Score:2)
No, that's just wrong. Surgery and chemotherapy result in much improved rates of survival for many cancers, yet they clearly leave many viable cancerous cells behind. If your statement were correct, such treatments wouldn't help at all because those surviving cells would just go on to create new tumors immediately.
Biologists have a good idea of what causes cancer in general, but not n
Re:Stone Age Medicine (Score:2)
It's incredibly simple. They divide. They don't do a perfect job when copying themselves. Occasionally they fuck up the bits that control their internal processes, like how fast they divide. All the wonderful chemicals we've surrounded ourselves with make 'em screw up more.
Is it any particular wonder that cancer rates are skyrocketing in the last half decade, with all the chemical crap we've come up with and dumped into the envi
Re:Stone Age Medicine (Score:2, Interesting)
Unfortunately, it's not incredibly simple. Under normal circumstances, a cell has many checkpoints and regulatory processes to ensure that it doesn't divide too often and begin growing out of control. Cancerous cells have mutations o
Re:Stone Age Medicine (Score:2)
Modern humans as very good at pushing thouse odds. Skin cancer tends to happen in people that raipidly destory their skin cells. Lung cancer tends to happen when people breath in a large number radioactive substances such as potassium 40 (found in coal and other inhaled recreational pharmaceuticals). Bowl cancer tends to happen in people with diets that leave excessive amounts of junk in places for too lo
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Yes, I'm looking for genetic engineering, targetted viruses, and various ways of convincing the body's own immune system to attack cancer cells. We're getting there.
It is "stone age" because it is akin to amputation. i.e. we don't know what's wrong, we can't fix it, so we're g
Re:Stone Age Medicine (Score:2)
The scary bit is that there is a better solution out there but the guy who was pushing it died of cancer and no one at NASA picked up on what he was doing.
The scary bit is that it was the same techonology that brought us holography.
Zap everything in the line of fire (Score:2)
Several years ago, there were articles about a type of treatment that aimed two energy beams at a point in the body. Each beam was harmless (radio or such) but when they interfered, they created an ionizing radiation of sorts. So, you could precisely place the destruction where it was needed and not damage 'everything in the line of fire'. It was less exotic than antimatter.
Of course I can't remember what it was called.
Shades of Boron Neutron Capture Therapy... (Score:3, Interesting)
Neutron meets Boron, excitement ensues, cells die.
So, if you can add boron to a compound that is taken up preferentially by cancer cells, and then aim a thin beam of neutrons at the area of the tumor, then you will (theoretically) not kill anything but those cells.
The treatment was used mainly on large, likely-to-be-fatal brain tumors (at the time, they weren't candidates for operations). Unfortunately, most of the patients died anyway, sometimes from necrotic tissue or brain voids resulting from the decayed/destroyed tumor, sometimes because the boron containing compounds were not specific enough to cancer cells.
So the US stopped research on BNCT, but Japan and some other countries have continued the research, and I think recently some US researchers are thinking of taking it back up.
And the neutron source the MIT researchers used was their nuclear reactor (recently featured on NPR's "Wait, wait don't tell me"). One could presumably also use an accelerator.
-Marcus