Piece of the Moon for Sale 168
Symon Gold writes "A desk set purportedly containing a piece of moon rock is up for auction at Lelands.com. Listing here. The New York Times (free registration required) has a story about the piece--a retirement gift given to Joe Healy, an engineer at NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory who worked on the Apollo missions and who died a decade ago. The auction runs until 9 p.m. on December 4th with an opening bid of $50,000."
Gonna go someday (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Gonna go someday (Score:3, Insightful)
Lunar tourism in 10 years? Yeah right! (Score:2, Interesting)
People have been talking about space tourism for a very long time but look at what's happened so far. Manned space travel is more or less at a standstill. Certainly there's technological potential for a lot more but it's just not happening.
Re:Gonna go someday (Score:2)
Re:futurama quote (Score:2, Funny)
Face it, the moon is a dump. It's a boring, dried up wasteland, and the only reason anybody ever comes here is for the tacky little amusement park.
You mean like France and EuroDisney?
I can only wonder this... (Score:1)
OK, I'm joking. But really I do wonder what their reasons were.
eBay will not allow moon rock auctions. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:eBay will not allow moon rock auctions. (Score:1)
http://cgi5.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?SellY
I've done that enough the past week trying to show them that it is eBay legal to sell printed spam material.
Odd, as they allow meteorites (Score:2)
I wonder why eBay feels it's OK to sell some things from space and not others. Is it legal to sell moon rocks, or are they all NASA's property through some sort of weird eminent domain? I can certainly understand forbidding Columbia items, that's just out of human decency, but the moon rock thing has me perplexed.
Re:I can only wonder this... (Score:2)
How much will it sell for? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:How much will it sell for? (Score:1)
My Moon Rocks?!?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Everybody paid to bring the rocks here, and therefore these rocks should belong to all American people, not to private owners.
Who cares? (Score:2)
Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! (Score:3, Interesting)
NASA calls lunar material priceless and so the first thing insurance companies ask them is how much would it cost to replace. So, NASA values it at the cost of sending up another Saturn V.
This sample should have been donated to scientific research. The fact that it could end up in the hands of a private owner who will do no m
Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! (Score:2)
Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! (Score:2)
No it isn't. The article also says:
Sounds like it's maybe a few milligrams. That "presumably" also makes it sound like nobody's absolutely sure if there's any moon rock
Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! (Score:2)
The slashdot summary was a bit misleading, and the true nature of the sample isn't mentioned until half-way down in the article.
Oh well. Big fuss over nothing, or at most, a very little something.
Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! (Score:2)
True, very true.
Hey, this is Slashdot :-)
Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! (Score:5, Funny)
Everybody paid to bring the spices/riches/evidence of life/rocks here, and therefore these spices/riches/evidence of life/rocks should belong to all Spanish people, not to private owners.
Nevermind that Isabella ruthlessly stripped the Spaniards of their property at every opportune moment and with every handy excuse and that Colombus was Genoese....
Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! (Score:1)
Re:Why...? (Score:2, Funny)
profit.. (Score:5, Insightful)
2. put it in a fancy glass thingy.
3. sell it.
4. PROFIT!!!!!
this particular piece may be authentic but i'm pretty sure that somebody has done the 1.2.3.4 thing above for moonrocks. i mean, if there's something thats worthless as it is but worth something because it is there are people who will try to cheat out some of that cash going around. i mean at one point there was something like many tons of the cross that jesus carries in bible circulating around collectors, if somebody doesn't go to moon soon enough there will be such a situation in time with moonrocks as well(and probably will be anyways for the "ah but this is from the first mission" rocks).
Joke (Score:1)
Oh well at least it's not a total waste, I got a very fancy glass jar.
Certificate of authenticity not provided. (Score:2)
Hey, watch it! I'll have you know that's genuine 100% official Clanger Poo.
Crack it, fool!!! (Score:1)
Can you even imagine a beowulf cluster of...
Scientists? (Score:5, Funny)
Why do break in's always have Nixon's name somewhere in the paragraph?
Re:Scientists? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Scientists? (Score:2)
Well I... uh... certainly wouldn't harm the child...
I'm meeting you half way, you damn hippies!
OK, here goes... (Score:1, Troll)
now i'm off to the roof with a webcam to see if i can stream that cruise missile as it turns left over stockport and heads towards this IP address...
Re:Scientists? (Score:2)
$50,000?? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:$50,000?? (Score:2)
Watch out! (Score:3, Troll)
Why bother with a rock... (Score:2)
Re:Watch out! (Score:2)
That's an issue that will have to be sorted out once people are in a position to stake their claim - it'll be the wild west all over again, except it'll be mega-corporations rather than men on horses.
The wording of the international agreement was that "no state" could own planets or moons, but nobody said anything about people. Unfortunately, pointing at something and saying "mine" doesn't make it so. If it does, then I own the Sun and am going to chage the world taxes for using it.
When people actually ge
I'll be impressed (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'll be impressed (Score:3, Funny)
More Jupiter Rock [amazon.com]
Yet More Jupiter Rock [amazon.com]
If you can call Tori Amos rock, that is...
I live my life in service to the God Jupiter, I think I should be able to make bad jokes about him.
Re:I'll be impressed (Score:1)
(read 2061, sequel to 2010)
Waste Of Money (Score:5, Funny)
I predict that within 10 years Wal-Mart will carry moon rocks imported from the Chinese, who will have a mine on the moon by then and bring rock back by the ton. Get ready for "pet moon rocks" and "moon mood rings" on the shopping channel too.
Re:Waste Of Money (Score:1, Insightful)
Real Estate for sale... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Real Estate for sale... (Score:2, Funny)
1. No Pollution - at least not yet
That extra sunlight that we humans are accustomed to not really getting may be a bitch... mmm... cosmically irradiated french fries...
2. No pollen - great for people with allergies
Lots and Lots of dust... bad for people with allergies.
3. Spectacular views of the planet Earth with ocean front views.
Too late... I've already sold all the available land on the bright side of the moon... you get the dark side...
Dammit.. (Score:2)
That's freedom fries, you insensitive clod! Or have you forgotten how the French refused to help fight the evil Soup Dragon in the moon wars of 2054?
Small chunks of extraterrestrial matter (Score:1)
I wonder if it could also reach such high prices. (When I looked at it I didn't think it could be worth anything, if only because there's no way you can tell it's from there)
Re:Small chunks of extraterrestrial matter (Score:2)
It's all about the brand (Score:5, Insightful)
DeBeers claims that a "natural" diamond is worth much, much more than a visually indistinguishable and chemically identical diamond made in the lab last Tuesday. It is priceless simply because it came from deep inside the earth, formed by intense heat and pressure over millions of years.
Similarly, a few tiny chunks of the moon are worth $50,000 while a chemically identical chunk of rock from Colorado (olivine, with traces of ilmenite and iron oxides) is basically worthless (maybe $5/ton if you bought itin bulk).It's all about the brand, baby. Symbolism sells.
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:2, Insightful)
People did die, however. I'm not about to forget the loss of life involved in space exploration just because it's neat. I still think it's worth it; I would probably still think it was worth it even if my own boy grew up to be an astronaut and died because of it.
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't be fooled - DeBeers is scared sh*tless by the idea that jewel quality diamonds can now be manufactured! They look at artificial diamonds in much the same way Microsoft looks at Linux. At first despairingly, and then - as the threat becomes harder to ignore - with a massive FUD campaign aimed at convincing people artificial diamonds are somehow inferior.
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:1)
And the RIAA claims that it's worth paying for the shite that they call music. Bullshit is bullshit even when it's called marketing.
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:3, Funny)
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:2)
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:2)
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:4, Interesting)
It's not exactly a free trade purchase either. An American buyer must either buy the entire lot they are offered or decline it, with the clear threat that the agent won't bother making offers to them again, if they decline. Even though most American buyers have expressed a reticence to speak, because they might not be offered any more lots (I don't have any responsibility to offer to sell you anything, even if I offer it to your neighbor) a substantial body of disclosures and dealer complaints have built up over the decades.
The thriving trade in diamonds between American dealers exists primarily because they can't choose to pick and choose what they buy from the agents, and are therefore forced to trade/buy the stones from their mixed lots to get the stones they want.
How can they get away with this? A) through agreements and open market purchases, they control tha vast majority of the world's large lots; and B) they don't transact sales directly in the US, so our laws don't apply. They only directly transact in antions where the laws allow them to conduct business as they wish - generally small nations where their money and/or a strong local traditional diamond trade affords them considerable influence - and not just third world nations: they have a special status in the Netherlands, because Amsterdam has been a major diamond center for centuries.
Re:It's all about the brand (Score:2)
If this stuff's worth so much (Score:1, Funny)
It's well capable and has the necessary landing ability.
They could bring back 20 tons of paydirt and solve the national debt!!
Supply and demand. (Score:2, Informative)
See the thread involving DeBeers and artificially created diamond shortages.
The US might do better to auction off a few small pieces to the highest bidders, if they were going to go that route for fundraising.
Healy? (Score:1)
Mmm, rock (Score:4, Funny)
Does it have "The Moon" written all the way through?
Re:Mmm, rock (Score:2)
No, but it's a real find if the piece of moon rock has part of "Chairface Chippendale" etched into it.
Re:Mmm, rock (Score:2)
Re:Mmm, rock (Score:2)
No, nor is it peppermint fresh. But it does have 'property of Lucasfilm props dept' written on the bottom.
I presume, and so can you... (Score:5, Funny)
To be fair, I think it would be fair to pay with 50 "presumable" $1000 bills encased in a big blob of resin shaped like a sucker.
Re:I presume, and so can you... (Score:2)
Bring me back a mooninite (Score:1)
Moon rock is good (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Moon rock is good (Score:3, Funny)
I propose Urectum.
Google NYT (Score:2, Informative)
Here ya go [nytimes.com]
"the thats-an-expensive-piece-of-rock dept." ?!? (Score:3, Funny)
Sell quick before the market falls... (Score:3, Funny)
private ownership?? (Score:1)
Re:private ownership?? (Score:4, Informative)
It's a resin mold of a moon rock with "presumably" dust from the bottom of the box they were toted in. I shit you not, that's from the description (which you didn't read). So the title of the article is misleading which in turn is resulting in these screwed up comments.
Waste of money (Score:1)
dr jones time (Score:2, Funny)
Re:dr jones time (Score:2)
Old News... (Score:3, Funny)
Man, three years ago I bought my Dad an acre of land on Io from a booth at the mall around Christmastime. It only cost me 10 bucks and it even came with a deed, although the guy printed that on-site with a shitty bubble jet.
Either way, he was also selling pieces of the moon, but owning land on our moon is like owning a cabin in Aspen - it may have been cool 30 years ago, but not anymore. Jupiter's moons are the next big thing, man.
[hmm... that post started and ended with "man"... maybe i need to get out more...]
What?! (Score:1)
Ahh, if I was insanly rich. (Score:2)
I mean, those rocks came from the freekin moon!
Good luck to the winner of that auction.
Obligatory "Dead Poets Society" quote (Score:2)
Epoxy! Not a moon rock! (Score:2)
There are pieces of Apollo 11 & 12 on the front of the base though, thats kind of cool.
Much cheaper (Score:2)
Re:50k desk? (Score:3, Funny)
oh man, the errors (Score:2)
It's not made of moon rock, it's got a resin model of a moon rock on it with TINY FLECKS from the box the rocks were brought back in attached to it.
Re:50k desk? (Score:3, Funny)
Or cheese.
Re:50k desk? (Score:4, Insightful)
How much is the lastest game from a decade ago worth? How much is a diamond or a pound of gold from a decade ago worth?
Get it now?
Re:50k desk? (Score:1)
What's the difference? In a few year's we will look back at the "newest game or software" and wonder why the hell we made that. (read: It's only 3D??)Diamonds etc are a rarity, thus due to supply and demand they are assigned a large value. Software is so incredibly accessible it is given a lower value (relatively). I'll agree that 50K is ridiculous for a desk, but
Re:50k desk? (Score:2)
No, this is due to cartel manipulation.
I'd be willing to bet that little fossil rocks with Trilobytes in them are far more rare than diamonds, yet trilobyte fossils are $1.25.
This isn't supply and demand, this is market manipulation.
Re:50k desk? (Score:1)
Now there's a concept: software as a digital rarity. How can digital information become rare, when it can be copied perfectly for just about nothing? Maybe someone ought to mention this to the record companies one day. They'll be shocked to learn that their product has very low value without them depending on an artificial scarceness, and I'm sure they'll drop their prices right away.
Re:50k desk? (Score:2)
I'd say stuff like the source for Windows 2000 would be considered rare... and very valuable.
Some digital information can be considered very rare and valuable. But that's probably not the stuff this guy is talking about.
Re:RTFA PEOPLE, RTFA (Score:2)
Re:50k desk? (Score:2)
Re:Auction Up! (Score:1)
It's got a cool/unique aspect to it that's going to make it sell for a lot.
Remember those yahoos who stole and tried to sell a full-fledged moon rock?
Re:An unexpected side benefit.. (Score:2)
Re:Legal? (Score:3, Insightful)
Kind of like selling WMD to Iraq. You can't really sell finished nukes, bioweapons, or chemical agents, but you CAN sell all the ingredients as long as you include a statement like "don't mix 10 parts of XYZ to 3 parts ABC because that would make Sarin, and never, ever add water to the Anthrax spores".
Re:Legal? (Score:2)
Re:Legal? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Legal? (Score:5, Interesting)
"The OIG's investigative arm conducts criminal and regulatory investigations in which NASA is a victim. Recently, we have investigated: MOON ROCKS Finally, in an ongoing investigation we seized a desk set that allegedly contained scraps of lunar material. The set, which was owned by a dealer in rare objects, had originally been given to a retiring NASA engineerin 1970. Against NASA policy, the engineer's coworkers had worked some scraps of lunar materials into the desk." Newletter HERE [nasa.gov] strange that its being acutioned, but NASA Seems to have previously confiscated it???? I know I won't be bidding...not that I could
Where is the moon peice? (Score:3, Funny)
Don't be ridiculous... (Score:2)