Another Big Kuiper Belt Object Found 36
DoraLives observes: "According to the BBC a Huge rock-ice body circles Sun. At a shade over 350 miles across, it's not what you'd call planetary in size, but huge enough, I suppose, should it land in your back yard."
Re:Free Water! (Score:3, Insightful)
Granted, we don't have the tech to do it right this minute but by the time any terraforming effort is undertaken, the technology will either exist or it will become reasonable to develop it.
Not only does this object have water, but it probably has (literally) tons of ammonia and other useful compounds and elements. If that can be deposi
Re:Free Water! (Score:2)
Well, I get that it's about 279 Joules/kg to move water with perfect efficiency from 2003 VS2 to Mars orbit, but that thing has a mass of about 10^18 kg or more. Maybe more like 10^19. So we're talking about 10^21 Joules. So, I don't see how you'd do it. Am I missing something?
Re:Free Water! (Score:2)
I know darned little about thermodynamics, but I'd imagine that even if you *could* impart that much force, you would then have to dissipate an equal amount of force when the object reaches its destination. Assumably, it would be released by the impact with whatever planetary body you aim that sucker at.
I guess the idea of slamming it into Mars is that it's ok to vaporize the water, ammonia, and other compounds into the atmosphere. Un
Re:Free Water! (Score:1)
Re:Free Water! (Score:1)
Units? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Units? (Score:3, Interesting)
0.0000000000595389999 LY
2,279,474,440,000 litres/acre
148 800 297 Pascals per Newton US gallons
6,021,734,370,000,000 ((US gallon per hectare) per (Pascal per Newton)) per acre
Let's invent more compound measures, shall we?
1 ((the speed of light per ((((Newton per Pascal) per Joule) per year) per fortnight)) per (mach 1)) = 3.36285379 x 10^19 kilograms
Re:Units? (Score:2, Funny)
I propose that for volumes less than one Library Of Congress, we measure volumes in household appliances.
Re:Units? (Score:2)
"Libraries of Congress" is the unit for information storage (e.g. my harddisk can hold 23 ba'gillion Libraries of Congress). For liquid volume the correct measure is "Olympic Size Swimming Pools". For examples of us
Re:Units? (Score:1)
Re:Units? (Score:1)
0.4375 Texas Units
137653.63128 VW Beetles
On a more serious note.. (Score:2)
I think we should study a grand tour of the Neptune 2:3 resonance orbit. Perhaps we could fly by several of these objects. Might make an interesting senior thesis for a suitably ambitious young person...
Re:On a more serious note.. (Score:1)
Re:On a more serious note.. (Score:2)
You don't have to cover the whole arc. It depends on the population of objects in that orbit. I would think encounters a few years apart would be at least plausible, with cheap periods of hibernation between. The trick would be to have fallback modes that did respectable science with less and less power as the RTG fades. Enabling technologies like very low power imagers/spectrometers and large, lightweight deployable antennas are not outside the realm of feasibility.
Re:On a more serious note.. (Score:2)
Just because they share an orbital resonance with Neptune dosn't mean that they are all in the same place. They are spread out in a roughly donut shaped region. (Pluto is on an inclined orbit which crosses Neptune's.) If you are "flying by" from inside to out, you are moving faster than the orbital speed at that distance. That means that you will soon be further from the s
Re:On a more serious note.. (Score:3, Informative)
You're not going to be taken seriously if you begin your posts with insults.
Re:On a more serious note.. (Score:2)
Re:On a more serious note.. (Score:2)
A summary of what's known [aas.org] about Plutino statistics reveals that they're all pretty eccentric (good) and some are reasonably close to the ecliptic (good), but they cluster longitudinally well away from Neptune, which makes a Neptune GA tough to pull off in a reasonable time. That was my main hope for getting there. So, you'd have to fly by one, and hope that you get lucky with another - probably not a Plutino per se at 40 A.U. mean solar distance, but a KBO is certainly possible.
2003 VS2 ephemeris (Score:2)
2003 VS 2 has an inclination of 14.8 degrees, BTW [harvard.edu]
on the other hand... (Score:2, Funny)
If your backyard has somehow found its way to the Kuiper belt, you've got problems of your own!
Nicknaming the Rock (Score:4, Funny)
In order to generate public interest in this story, I think "Pluto's bitch" might be more engaging. Or perhaps "the victim of Neptune's drunken advances"
"Plutino" is not a nickname (Score:5, Informative)
All objects in 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune are classified as plutinos, after the largest known such object, Pluto.
Re:"Plutino" is not a nickname (Score:3, Funny)
just like the weatherman, you can be wrong and its OK.
-Grump
Re:"Plutino" is not a nickname (Score:1)
Re:"Plutino" is not a nickname (Score:1)
I have this theory. We point out mistakes here, and the BBC reporter changes the article. Let's try again shall we? Quoting the BBC:
The object is about 570 km across, making it one of the largest bodies of its kind found in modern times.
570km (350 miles) isn't all that big for an EKO [johnstonsarchive.net]. 2003 VS2's actual size is 904km (561 miles).
Re:We are doomed! (Score:1)
Oh? I believe you would, for a few hours maybe. After that, you wouldn't be alive to care, and neither would I even if we both lived in Bombay. The earthquake ripple alone would take care of us lowly humans and ALL our construction projects over the eons.
Do the math for a 570 mile diameter object coming in at at least 18 thousand miles an hour, the escape velocity plus a bit for the original nudge that headed it our way.
I doubt that this plan
Size doesn't matter, or does it? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Size doesn't matter, or does it? (Score:2)
Very likely, the American astronmers used units of kilometers originally. In mybrief forays into the astronomical literature, I've found A.U.s and kilometers and MKS units, but no miles, feet or pounds.
Re:Size doesn't matter, or does it? (Score:2)
Comprehensive List of TNOs Here (Score:1)
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/TNOs.html
Note that you can find the size of the object under the H column... where the lower number is the wider number.
Also note that on 08-25-2003 'they' discovered another large TNO called 2003 QM91. This one had an H value of 4.2 whereas the newest one (2003 VS2) has an H value of 3.9.
This is the largest found since 2002 MS4, which also had an H value of 3.9.