Meteorite Strikes Indian Village 350
PS writes "The BBC is reporting that a village in eastern India was struck by a meteorite Saturday evening, wrecking several houses and injuring about twenty people. Fortunately, no one appears to have been killed by the impact or subsequent fires. CNN suggests that a second village near the impact site may have also been struck by part of the meteorite." Human/meteorite encounters are not entirely unheard of.
As chicken little said (Score:3, Funny)
Re:As chicken little said (Score:3, Funny)
I have no idea what that is.This could just as easily have been Asterix humour. ( the villagers fear nothing except for the sky falling on their heads)
Meteor my ass.. (Score:4, Funny)
Have you missed the ground-shaking documentary called
Had you watched even parts of this research project you would know that this was a UFO crash site , cleverly disguised as a meteor crash.
Re:Meteor my ass.. (Score:2)
Terminology (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Terminology (Score:4, Funny)
As we all know, the first attempt was in naming stone spikes that grow in caves, but unfortunatley many people actually learned what the proper terms were.
Names for space rocks is merely version 2.0.
its not western India (Score:3, Informative)
Re:its not western India (Score:2)
Re:its not western India (Score:2)
Re:its not western India (Score:2)
Re:its not western India (Score:2)
-aiabx
Re:its not western India (Score:2, Funny)
Meteors have killed. (Score:3, Interesting)
The Nakhla meteorite [nasa.gov] you are referring to killed just one dog. Several people have been injured by meteorites. (I remember at least one local newspaper story of a guy who got a fist-sized meteorite through his windshield at 80 km/h, and was injured when he drove off the road.)
A meteor does not necessarily reach
We'll be ok.... (Score:2)
Western India. Doh! (Score:3, Informative)
Brief summary after the headline.
It's eastern India. not western India. Does any one verify any stories over here?
I believe the standard response is... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ann Coulter (Score:3, Interesting)
"it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle then for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven".
Jesus was a hippie. BTW, I'm engaged to a devout Anglican, and she thinks that people like Coulter are an embarrasment to Christians worldwide.
Sending Aid (Score:5, Insightful)
At least after this mess is cleaned up, they will have something to tell the tourists. They can take solace in the fact that they aren't the new meteor crater.
Re:Sending Aid (Score:5, Informative)
Market it as "noticed fall, [date fell] [location]", it's a couple of bucks a gram to people who like to collect meteorites.
Market it as "chips of the man-slaying meteorite", and you could probably multiply that price by ten and sell it via Home Shopping Network. Ugh.
Re:Sending Aid (Score:2)
I wonder... (Score:2)
Re:I wonder... (Score:5, Interesting)
Nobody believed him when he tried to report it, other than making "Joe Dirt" references, so it's now mine.
Neat side notes - The outside surface has visible feathery outside surface from how it was eroding as it traveled. Also the iron softenes up nicely - you can even see how it deformed some from the impact, and there's a smooth curved arc in the front when it rotated briefly just after impact.
Very cool... I'd post a URL to the pics, but I don't want to pay for the
Re:I wonder... (Score:2)
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Re:I wonder... (Score:3, Informative)
First [vscape.com] is on desk, thats normal sized pen in front.
This is [vscape.com] closeup of surface detail... Sorry for small pic size, these were taken w/ PDA...
I, for one, (Score:2, Funny)
Be thankful (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Be thankful (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Be thankful (Score:2, Interesting)
But small ones such as this happen rather frequently; in October 1992, there was one hitting NY, but the only thing it damaged was... a parked car's trunk
Measurements (Score:2)
For those of us who know we don't have the facts straight, could you enlighten us on how much a many is?
Re:Measurements (Score:2)
Cold war hair trigger? (Score:4, Informative)
With the ongoing cold war between India and Pakistan, the Indian military might well have shot first, and asked questions later, causing a small nuclear war, and a much greater loss of life than the initial meteorite.
Re:Cold war hair trigger? (Score:2)
Small nuclear war, hmm? Interesting use of the word "small."
Re:Cold war hair trigger? (Score:3, Informative)
With the ongoing cold war between India and Pakistan, the Indian military might well have shot first, and asked questions later, causing a small nuclear war, and a much greater loss of life than the initial meteorite.
Actually, it wouldn't have been that easy. As of January 2003, India has a formal nuclear command structure under civilian control [mediamonitors.net], with a Nuclear Command Authority comprising of a Political Council (chaired by the Prime Minister and an environmental board) and an Executive council (chaired
Re:Be thankful (Score:2)
Re:Be thankful (Score:2)
Worse yet, some Indian general might have gone off half-cocked and nuked Pakistan in "retaliation". AFAIK though, don't the Indians have something like NORAD that can analyze the trajectory of incoming objects and determine that the angle was inconsistant with a Pakistani missile? I hope.
Re:Be thankful (Score:2)
Yup. Someone tells a movie exec about falling meteorites, and they make a big-budget movie out of it. Total devastation.
Re:Be thankful (Score:3, Funny)
Any... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Any... (Score:2)
--Capt. Meteorite
Yup, udder ubsurdity (Score:2)
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Re:Any... (Score:2)
Captain, it seems to be some form of ancient English. Say whuh huh? Barley is good, beer comes from barley. The idea of gaing superpowers from a meteorite is way over my head. Utterly ubsurd.
WTF?
What if it had hit... (Score:3, Funny)
No way!! (Score:2, Funny)
Obligatory Simcity Reference (Score:2, Funny)
Repent, for the end is at hand... (Score:2)
I'm kidding about the end of the world, but has it seemed to anyone else that there's been an unusually high occurance of natural disaster in the last year or so? Maybe it's just me.
Re:Repent, for the end is at hand... (Score:2)
Have all been happening since the beginning of time. It just that the US media usually only covers stories if: They affect the US, they provide a spectacle on a slow news day.
Nearly every year, hurricanes as powerful as Isabel cause havok on populated islands, millions of people die from drought, floods destroy entire villages, but it's not the sort of thing that usually makes headline news.
Re:Repent, for the end is at hand... (Score:2)
JFK, blown away!
what else do I have to say??
Happened in New Orleans last week (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Happened in New Orleans last week (Score:2)
Orissa gets it again (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Orissa gets it again (Score:2, Funny)
They converted to Buddhism?
Slashdot jokes (Score:3, Funny)
In Soviet Russia, all your asteroid are belong to India!
Imagine a beowulf meteor shower of naked and petrified Natalie Portmans Slashdotting India!
"Where's the BitTorrent link?"
and last but not least...
Darl McBride: "We have good evidence that Indian villagers are stealing our intellectual property to the UNIX system encoded in million-year-old rocks... evidence will be presented shortly. In Sanskirt."
Re:Slashdot jokes (Score:2)
Please come again.
Re:Slashdot jokes (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:Slashdot jokes...ok... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Slashdot jokes (Score:2)
I can't believe you're looking for stupid Slashdot jokes when a rock from space could come down and hit us any mi
NO CARRIER
In follow up news... (Score:5, Funny)
Now we're even outsourcing meteor strikes! (Score:3, Funny)
IT Jobs (Score:2, Funny)
In other news... (Score:2)
Chicago Field Museum has some good meteor examples (Score:5, Interesting)
I was at the Field Museum this past week and got a real kick out of the meteor exhibits. They had several large metalic meteors that were out in the open free to touch. Putting my hand on it and thinking about it flying though space, to be rudely blocked by the planet earth. It wasn't it's fault that there was some stupid planet in the way... Anyway, they also had several examples of meteorites hitting houses. In once case it went through the guys garage, through his car and bounced off the cars muffler, ending up sitting on the car seat. Another one took out a guys gutter. The pictures are pretty funny, all the guys looked pretty pissed off, but it was in the 20s or 30s, maybe people didn't smile back then.
Field Museum Meteor collection [fieldmuseum.org]
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No major newspaper/news site in India mentions it (Score:3, Insightful)
The cnn article quotes its source as PTI (Press Trust of India) but their website itself (www.ptinews.com) doesn't mention any such thing...
Maybe the Indian media is in deep slumber
Good thing it landed in EAST India (Score:2, Insightful)
Pheeew!
Seriously though, those guys are really, really, really out of luck!!
The Hammer of God (Score:2, Interesting)
With sufficient acceleration one basketball-size meteoride can inflict far more damage than a 9/11-style terrorist attack.
Re:The Hammer of God (Score:2)
The energy released is 180.737 kJ, in comparison, the nuke on Nagasaki released approx 84TJ , and the gravitational potential energy released by the fall of one of the Towers was 2.2TJ [hypertextbook.com], the biggest ever explosion, the Novaya Zemlya Hydrogen bomb, produced 58 megatons, or 240,000 TJ [hypertextbook.com].
WOW!!
this is exactly what the US worried about May 2002 (Score:2, Interesting)
Im telling you people... (Score:2)
Something seems wrong with this report (Score:5, Interesting)
Though the CNN article credits Press Trust of India, a search on PTI's site found nothing (for me at least).
When the articles talked about burning fragments, it didn't ring true. So, I went to Google to do a little quick research.
Except for those really huge impacts, smaller meteorites are relatively slow movers in the lower reaches of the atmosphere and lose their heat rather quickly. Let me steal some work from:
Date: Mon Nov 30 23:28:41 1998 [madsci.org]
Posted By: Robert Macke, Grad student, Physics, Washington University
Area of science: Astronomy
If you have a baseball-sized meteorite of density 3.2 g/cc, using a value of 1.2 kg/m^3 for the density of air, you will find that the meteorite will slow from its approach velocity of roughly 11000 meters per second to its terminal velocity of 60 m/s in a mere 28 seconds, having traveled only 3 km. (By comparison, the speed of sound is roughly 315 m/s.) It then spends another 100 mins or so falling before it hits the ground, giving it ample time to cool down below its original temperature it gained during entry into the atmosphere. (At 60 m/s, it's moving like a fastball, but not much more. It'll still cause a lot of damage if your car or house is in the way, but it wouldn't start a fire or create any appreciable crater. It would probably be a bit warm to the touch.
Any learned assistance would be appreciated. I'm not adverse to being shown to be wrong in a subject that I have little more than passing knowledge.
Re:Something seems wrong with this report (Score:2)
But even if it isn't hot, Don't touch [imdb.com] it!
Re:Something seems wrong with this report (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Something seems wrong with this report (Score:4, Informative)
The first problem with your math, you are assuming the meteor hits air at 1.2 kg/m^3. that's the density of air at sea level, not the density at the upper levels of the atmosphere. The real factor that matters is the angle of penetration. If the meteor is travelling at 11,000 m/s as you say, and hits the atmosphere vertically, it will encounter thin air initially. At an altitude of 6000 m, the density is already half that of sea level.
It's far to late in the evening to drag out serious mathematics, but, suffice it to say, if the meteor size of a baseball has a vertical penetration of the atmosphere at 11,000 m/s, it's likely gonna be still travelling well above the atmospheric terminal velocity at impact. The atmospheric drag will not have caused it to shed all that velocity in the minute or so it'll take to reach impact, assuming of course it's got enough mass and density to not have melted completely due to heat from friction.
If the angle of penetration is shallow, then yes, it'll spend a significant time in the upper atmosphere, and it'll likely be travelling at/near the terminal velocity induced by the sum of atmospheric drag, and 9.8 m/s^2 vertical acceleration applied by the mass of the earth. Essentially nothing more than a rock falling out of the sky.
God hates India (Score:2)
Blame the software industry! (Score:2)
Re:Armageddon (Score:2)
Re:Finally (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Finally (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What's all this then? (Score:2, Insightful)
This meteorite in particular was probably 30cm wide or so, that's quite a lot, actually.
Re:What's all this then? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What's all this then? (Score:2)
A few comments, tek:
Ya right, if we still find texas sized objects that will end up flying within an astronomically small distance from earth in the next Decade, or Century for that matter, than there is no doubt there are things the size of a Volkswagon that are going to come very close to or hit earth and we have no idea yet.
For the most part, that was well put, though I'm not sure what you consider to be "astronomically small distances."
We can track all the space garbage and junk debris orbiting
Re:What's all this then? (Score:4, Informative)
There is NO way currently to track all the stuff that size in the solar system.
Re:What's all this then? (Score:2, Insightful)
I only hope the wake up call isn't also the big bad one
Re:What's all this then? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hundreds!?!!? Oh my God!!! It's a good thing we don't have fires anymore, that earthquakes are completely predictable so no one ever dies in those. It's also good we can stop hurricanes off our shores, and 15,000 people don't die in heat waves [cnn.com] anymore. So, yeah, now is the time to really get to work on solving a problem that hasn't killed a single person in recorded history.
Re:What's all this then? (Score:5, Informative)
So in fact, it is quite possible that a dinosaur-killer could hit New York tomorrow and wipe us all out, and we would have NO warning. Thank your government for their lack of foresight for that.
Re:What's all this then? (Score:4, Insightful)
You thought wrong.
Nearly everything in low Earth orbit is tracked, because of the threat to satellites and manned spacecraft. But no organization has the resources set aside to track everything in the solar system.
If you want to try finding every rock the size of a beach ball in the entire volume of the solar system, be my guest.
You really haven't been paying attention, have you?
The standard cliche is that the number of people looking for these things is smaller than the number of people working at your average McDonald's. You want these rocks found, you convince your government to spend the money to do it.
Firstly, it was an asteroid, not a "meter".
Secondly, we got swamped with that news because the media is stupid.
Numbers, Threats, Reality (Score:3, Informative)
Some numbers might be helpful. The official NASA estimate for asteroids 300 feet or bigger is 160,000. About 1,000 of these exceed 2 miles in diameter. That doesn't count comets, which zap in and out of the inner system, and thus are basically invisible most of the time. Nor does it count smaller objects. I couldn't find figures for these, but it must be in the millions.
There's actually n
Re:What's all this then? (Score:4, Insightful)
Space is big. It's impossible to track everything bigger then a tennis ball. NASA does try to track some objects that are in orbit, but they NASA never claimed to be tracking "everything".
We've been swamped with news of some other meter which had like a 1^-1000000 chance to hit and this thing just charges in?
Don't confuse NASA with the Media coverage of NASA. NASA has reported other important finds which were not covered by the media. This one story was blown out of proportion.
The media thinks you're obsessed with the OJ Simpson trial, Ben & Jen, Laci Peterson, Princess Di, etc.
"This post was brought to you by 'McDonalds: Our Food tastes horrible and makes you fat, but it's cool!'
Re:What's all this then? (Score:2)
etc..
Wake up mods (Score:5, Interesting)
As for why we get news of something with a remote chance of hitting Earth - that's because these objects are typically hundreds, if not thousands of metres across. If one of these hit, it would kill millions of people, and possibly wipe out most macroscopic life as we know it. That's why you hear about them.
What landed in India was a few inches across at best, or you wouldn't see "20 people injured, no deaths". And detecting even a tiny fraction of the things in space at that size is well nigh impossible. Meteors of this size hit the planet all the time, but almost always land in remote areas.
Space is big (Score:5, Funny)
Bigger than an Olympic sized swimming pool. Bigger than a football field. Bigger even than a San Francisco, which is the largest unit that the human mind can comprehend.
Do you think that NASA can track every object in San Francisco? No, of course not. Even the fedral Narcs haven't figured out how to do that yet (although they're working on it).
Right now, just out beyond Pluto, there could be some whacked out ex-groupie of Wavy Gravy plummeting toward earth in her rusty old VW Microbiotic bus and we won't even know until it takes out Kansas.
Just hope she isn't driving uninsured. Old hippies do shit like that. They think it's some sort of political statement or something.
Anyway, the point is, space is big. Shit happens. Don't worry, be happy. You won't even feel a thing.
KFG
Re:Space is big (Score:2)
Space is Dark
It's hard to find
A place to park.
Re:What's all this then? (Score:2, Funny)
The Sun Will Explode In Less Than Six Years! [216.239.39.104]
The Sun Will Explode In Less Than Six Years! Wednesday September 18, 2002
By GEORGE SANFORD
The Sun is overheating and will soon blow up . . . taking Earth and the rest of the solar system with it, scientists warn.
The alert was issued after an international satellite photographed a massive explosion on the surface of the Sun that sent a plume of fire 30 times longer than the d
Re:Yeah but... (Score:3, Funny)
Shut up and just be grateful it wasn't a beowulf cluster.
KFG
Re:awww (Score:2)
And they'd never heard of a thing called space.
*grumble-kids-grumble...
Re:In other news . . . (Score:2)
Oct. 8-14, 1871: Peshtigo, Wisconsin (Score:2, Interesting)
Oct. 8-14, 1871: Peshtigo, Wisconsin: over 1,500 lives lost and 3.8 million acres burned in nation's worst forest fire. Cause Unknown
Peshtigo is about 130 miles due north of Chicago.
Same day as the great Chicago fire.
Re:A meteorite from Mars??? (Score:3, Informative)