New Material for Spintronics Discovered 225
Cpt_Corelli writes "Researchers at Uppsala University and the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology have discovered a new material with properties suitable for creating spintronic devices at room temperature. Previously this was only believed to be available at very low temperatures. The material is a combination of zinc oxide and manganite. The breakthrough is the cover item of the October issue of Nature Materials. If this new material proves viable for production there is an enormous potential for smaller and faster processors. Could this be the beginning of a new era in processor development?"
maharg's law (Score:3, Funny)
Re:maharg's law (Score:1, Funny)
Re:maharg's law (Score:1)
What does this mean? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:What does this mean? (Score:2, Informative)
Actually, it isn't that difficult. Our present systems use electrons (maximum speed is "c", or 186k/mi/sec) to carry or set data states (0,1). The electron has a few other properties that could be explored as a mechanism for data storage. This piece suggests that the "spin" state of an electron could become a viable mechanism (the
Oh no! (Score:2, Funny)
It's actually a disguised, mobile WoMD!
Spintronics? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Spintronics? (Score:2)
Some of their songs included "You Changed My Polarisation Asymmetrically" and the dance favorite "Boson and The Jets" which Elton John would later change slightly and catch a number one single.
The lead singer died tragically and explosively when he met his antimatter self at CBGB OMFUG in NYC on April 1, 1982.
Re:Spintronics? (Score:2)
Spin Doctors (Score:5, Informative)
Incredible, really. I could store the Library of Congress in the LCD pixels represented by this:
Several times, I suspect.
Re:Spin Doctors (Score:1, Funny)
we appreciate your effort in describing the storage capacity in units that the layman can understand. In the future please try to express the quantities in IT-friendly terms such as "Gigabyte", "Megahertz", or "bushel".
Sincerely,
Mr Blinky
Units of Measurement (Score:5, Funny)
I for one have never been able to convert LOCs to bushels, and I have no intention of starting now!
Re:Spin Doctors (Score:1)
More importantly, how much porn is that. And most important, when i view said porn will it be larger this: .
Re:Spin Doctors (Score:5, Informative)
In English: using the spin on individual electrons as a way of storing data.
One of my physics professors [cornell.edu] here at Cornell does a lot of heavy spintronics research, and I can tell you that they are not even *CONSIDERING* using single electron spins to store classical information right now. Forget all the crazy quantum effects, and the fact that all the electrons nearby would interfere horrendously thorugh spin-spin interactions, thermal energy would screw that up in a jiffy. Think what happens to a magnet when it's heated up to the curie temperature (electrons are just tiny magnets). We don't even have a way to accurately measure the spin of one exact electron yet.
As I understand it, the idea is actually pretty simple: instead of propagating electrical signals in a stream of electrons by altering their momentums (through the use of an EM field), you propagate a change in spin along the stream. Instead of speeding up or slowing down electrons, you're only flipping them up and down (you're actually flipping entire regions at that). Because of hte spin-spin coupling I mentioned before, this change in spin will propagate through the group of electrons *VERY* rapidly, much closer to the speed of light than a change in momentum would (by changing voltage, etc). So what we have is *MUCH* higher switching speeds with hardly any energy loss! So basically you have ultra-high speed chips that dissapate very little energy. Forget that watercooler in your laptop, you might not even need more than a tiny battery once spintronics becomes popular.
Now, as with any technology spintronics has its set of challenges. The biggest one that I am aware of is the ability to inject spin properly when electrons are moving between different materials. Many crystaline structures can alter the spin state significantly on entry, thus destroying the signal (or at least reducing it). I am confident, however, that many of these problems can be solved, especially given that spintronics is provably much better than electronics for computing tasks. Just look at the enormous number of problems the semiconductor industry has already solved in the last 40 years. Add to that the hope that all of this could work at room temperature, and well, it's very exciting to say the least.
So once again, we're not talking about individual electron spin. The only computing paradigms I'm aware of that use spin of individual particles are Quantum Computers (which do not behave the same algorithmically as classical computers) which are an entirely different story.
Cheers,
Justin
Re:Spin Doctors (Score:2)
Wow, that's actually a pretty good way of thinking about it... I mean it's not exactly the same but... definately on the right track
yeah I'm sorry my post wasn't exactly oriented at the layman... I have a tendency to do that!
Cheers,
Justin
Re:MOD POST AS "SPECULATIVE" (Score:5, Insightful)
By the way, the number of electrons in a gram of phosphorous is about 2e22. Assuming 1 gram of the stuff on an monitor, and a 1600x1200 resolution, that's about 1e16 electrons per pixel, and assuming 1 bit per electron (somewhat beyond the state of today's spintronics, but not unimaginable), that's 1,250,000 Gb of data.
Enough for a few LOCs, I believe.
Re:MOD POST AS "SPECULATIVE" (Score:2)
"10 Terabytes: Printed collection of the U. S. Library of Congress" --appears to be the public standard estimate for the LOC unit***
1250000(GB/screen)/10000GB = 125/screen (LOC)
1600px * 1200px = 1920000 px
1920000px / 125LOC = 15360 px/LOC ~ 124^2 px
At your estimations that's about 125 LOC's on a screen, it's gonna take a little more than a . to store it. Something more to the tune of 124x124 pixels. Yes I know these numbers have almost no base in reality, just perpetuationg the
Re:MOD POST AS "SPECULATIVE" (Score:2)
You have confused the two basic units of LOC conversion, the "screen" and the "pixel". The theoretical data capacity of 1 pixel was 1.25e6 bytes, so 125LOC/pixel.
Which, as I have said earlier, is within the limits of LOC estimation.
Re:MOD POST AS "SPECULATIVE" (Score:2)
What we need now (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What we need now (Score:2)
The steam from the grits turns the generator powering the cluster, so, technically, you are right on track. However, productivity fell through the floor, because this new technology doesn't take into account that the system administrators are lonely men who are now in love with their new power source. You get a little, you give a little, I guess.
Bad joke of the day (Score:5, Funny)
whacka whacka whacka
Re:Bad joke of the day (Score:2)
wakka wakka wakka!
=D
For those who don't know where that is from, look up fozzie from the Muppets =D.
Previous record. (Score:4, Interesting)
I read that the previous record -- from just a year or so back -- was -101c.
This is apparently huge, if the PR-blitz is to be believed.
In abstractio (Score:5, Informative)
Re:In abstractio (Score:1)
cool. I guess if he gets modded up anymore, then someone is telling porkies.
Troc
PS For the cockney-impaired: "porkies" from "porky pies" from "pork pies" i.e. lies.
PPS A pork pie is a piece of fatty pink meat and some seasoning, wrapped in some jelly-like fat and some gray chewy pastry. Yes, it is edible. Just.
Re:In abstractio (Score:1)
Re:In abstractio (Score:1)
50Ghz processors... (Score:5, Interesting)
Here we come, won't that be great. 10Mfps in Quake4D, milliseconds from start to crash in windows.
But still connected to a low bandwidth connection (2Mbps) to an unreliable network with high contention rates and collisions.
Fast processors ceased to become something to get excited about since about 1999, 90% of people don't need them, 8% need more memory instead, and the final 2% do nuclear and climate simulations, work in industrial modelling, or SFX and animation.
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:5, Insightful)
Once we get the faster processors, we'll find uses for them.
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:3, Insightful)
I have a digital camera. I use it quite a bit. I _never_ edit the images, despite having the tools and ample computing power to do so. What I do is take a bunch of pictures, and throw away most of them. The rest I use in one way or another. Very few are actually saved semipermanently. And as far as I know, none in my circle of aquaintances edit their pictures either.
The mac-toting people I know have all enthused over the video editing tools they have. None of them have ever actually used
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
Maybe it can start taking really high speed shots one after another, instead of struggling to hit 2FPS.
Maybe it can do a bit more processing of the scene and avoid that odd over/underexposed image.
Maybe it can use a more powerful autofocus algorithm and execute it faster.
Maybe it can use a more powerful no
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
If we actually used all the technology we are surrounded with, we would have no time for things that were once considered important. For example, raising children.
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
Proper technology wouldn't require time to use, or training to learn how to use properly, it would just take over the manual tasks we are loath to do.
My house would clean itself, the laundry would do itself and put itself away the car would change its own oil and refuel itself, my body would maintain itself without requiring excersize, and I would be free to spend time raising my children.
Technology should never cause me to do more work (unless its a trade off for something
And just like when "everyone" does photo editing (Score:2, Insightful)
But the fact that it allows anyone with the desire to get into it without a high "cost" of entry, that's a good thing. Used to be that everyone made their own music (no radio, no records), they didn't need a "professional" to do it for them. Yeah, not everyone was a Padrewski, or whatever, but they did it themselves, and they liked it, by gum. A little more of a do it yourself mentality wouldn't be a bad thing.
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
(I hope not!!!)
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
Nonsense. What we get is redundancy, and we can actually use it. See, the thing with faster computers is, they allow a greater level of abstraction in programs, both on the programmer and the user side. This has unfortunately not yet happened, since too many programmers stubbornly stick to C and its likes.
Granted, using high-level programming languages does not automatically make programs more stable, but it
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
This has unfortunately not yet happened, since too many programmers stubbornly stick to C and its likes.
No, this is because computers are not fast enough to justify a leap to slower, more robust languages yet. We're just barely breaching the barrier of "My current computer is so fast that there is no need for a faster processor".
It's very easy, however to add enough sluggishness into a system to drag it down below that magic threshhold, and suddenly it is no
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
Fair enough, but we're in my opinion close enough for most new applications to actually use something better than C
Operating system kernels, games and various libraries excepted, of course.
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:1)
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Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
Even though there is not much instant gratification behind an increase in processor speed, it will certainly open the door to new innovation and things (although not completely necessary) that are quite exciting.
Being able to go to a website, watch a movie trailer nearly in real time, and buy a ticket for it have all come about due to advances in sp
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:2)
Hey, don't forget us Computational Biologists!
Re:50Ghz processors... (Score:1)
I guess GTA3 in visual basic would need 50Ghz! But compile time, please with all the precompiled active X objects and DLL's the compile time of the average VB app is not that high. Try installing gentoo linux on a 500Mhz pentium 2, then you've got a serious gripe. Rendering 3d graphics? Try getting a really serious graphics card or a cluster. Parallel processing is the key to fast graphics, ask pixar studios they have quite a few large render farms. E
does that finding... (Score:3, Funny)
Moore's Law rescued again! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Moore's Law rescued again! (Score:2)
*cue Blue Man Group whirling around like idiots*
*fade spinning blue guy to swirling logo*
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Spintel Inside
Wowsers! (Score:2, Funny)
Wow #2: MRAM = nonvolatile memory 50 times faster than DRAM?! AND 10 times denser?!
Wow #3: MRAM in production by 2005?!
Does this spell the end for our Dynamic(RAM) Duo? Tune in tomorrow, because it sounds like everything's going to change overnight!
Wowsers!
Don't forget... (Score:4, Interesting)
I can't wait.
A pedant writes... (Score:5, Informative)
A dyslexic pedant writes... (Score:2, Informative)
I didn't think.... (Score:2)
Re:A pedant writes... (Score:2)
Slashdot effect on electricity?? (Score:5, Funny)
What is it with powercuts this year? (Score:1)
It'll have to join the queue (Score:4, Funny)
It'll have to join the queue, _behind_ optical computers and quantum computers, I'm still waiting for what they promised...
YAW.
Re:It'll have to join the queue (Score:1)
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Attack of the 80's (Score:1, Funny)
DIE 80's DIE.
magentic memory is not a new idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Isn't this just a molecular version of this idea?
Re:magentic memory is not a new idea (Score:2)
Spintronics works by using spin-polarized currents flowing through special semiconductors that impede certain spin states. They have about as much in common with core memory as they do with refrigerator magnets.
Re:magentic memory is not a new idea (Score:2)
I think I see, spin polarized currents rather than magnetic allignment?
Thanks for correcting me, I tend to get confused when things get that small.
Re:magentic memory is not a new idea (Score:2)
It gets smaller and smaller... (Score:2, Funny)
Remember ferromagnetic memory (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps this is going to be the one that is going to change the bottleneck in the system from the slow memory to the newly slow processor. And the very slow HDD. And the very slow I/O.
Having made which cynical observation, I wonder what impact this could have on database client server? Keeping the database in memory? Multiway processors? It looks like the only people really able to make use of the technology are going to be at IBM, and possibly Sun.
Diamond semiconductors (Score:2)
Re:Remember ferromagnetic memory (Score:2)
Re:Remember ferromagnetic memory (Score:2)
Effect on programming and OS? (Score:2, Interesting)
My immediate reaction was how would this affect programming and OS when the line between memory and storage is disolved. Not sure if the interface to CPU would be as fast as current memory, which means it would just be a storage mechanism.
If it could be used for primary memory, what happens to files and how they are viewed (logistically no
Re:Effect on programming and OS? (Score:1)
Holographic memory. Problem is growing pure, uniform crystals in 1G. Access times were supposed to be on the order of 1ns. And no bus contention or wait states.
If it could be used for primary memory, what happens to files and how they are viewed (logistically not physically). Would we need 'virtual' files on a RAM-disk or something more abstract?
"Not previously available"? Explain please! (Score:4, Interesting)
New material. Got that. But what makes it so special?
Explanation... (Score:5, Informative)
This article (from feb 2003) mentions that one of the major obstacles is making it work at room temperature which now has been achieved. Apparently this is a huge breakthrough.
Re:Explanation... (Score:2)
semi-conductor _and_ magnetic properties? (Score:1)
New material. Got that. But what makes it so special?
It's both a semi-conductor and have sought after magnetic properties. Is it possible that provious materials were one or the other, but never both?
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Re:"Not previously available"? Explain please! (Score:1)
Woah, sitetronics on slashdot!?!? (Score:1)
Zinc Oxide (Score:2)
Not new, improved (Score:4, Informative)
But will they teach me to type... (Score:1)
Aargh, I've done it again. The worst thing is, my job for the next three years is looking at Mn-doped semiconductors, and I can't even type the damn description properly!
Re:But will they teach me to type... (Score:2, Funny)
It's a pity Mendeleevium has such a short half-life, or you could try the experiment and see if it works even better than Manganese.
Paul
What keyboard are you using? (Score:2)
"640K of memory should be enough for anybody..." (Score:1)
Swedish (Score:2, Funny)
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150 degrees Celcius (Score:4, Informative)
Re:150 degrees Celcius (Score:2)
So you're saying that this technology won't be of any use to AMD, right?
Oww! Oww! I'm sorry! Stop hitting me!
Um, nope (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Um, nope (Score:2)
No they couldn't. The car market was (is) resistant to change. Even now, LPG fuelled vehicles are more efficient, cleaner and cheaper to run than traditional petroleum spirit vehicles, and have little if any performance difference, but does anybody buy them?
New material for what?! (OT?) (Score:2, Funny)
The obvious comment, which I was (and obviously still am) morally compelled to make was: "Well it's about time! That manned mission to Uranus has been on the drawing board for decades!" or something to that effect.
Yes, well... As you were.
Manga-nite? (Score:2)
The answer: slower code. (Score:2, Funny)
Fortunately, I'm hard at work on a new O(n^2) sort algorithm:
1) Completely randomize list.
2) In order traversal looking for out-of-order entries. If one is found return to step 1.
It's no slower than bubble sort, but it eliminates those pesky "best cases".
I'm also planning an operating system that u
Re:The answer: slower code. (Score:2)
AC (Score:2)
Re:Translation to M$ code (Score:1)
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Re:*kneeling down* (Score:2, Informative)
SLAP!!!
At least choose a fresh quote, how about... "Professor, without knowing precisely what spintronics is / Reading TFA, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?" Professor: "Yes I would, Kent.
Re:Sphinctronics (Score:1)
Do I have to mention grits too?
YAW
Re:So this means.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So this means.... (Score:1)
Re:Here is a good example of spintronics. (Score:1)