Internet Emulator 139
John3 writes "InternetNewsM is reporting that PlanetLab is getting closer to reality. According to this article, a consortium of universities (including Princeton) is launching a test-bed platform based on Red Hat Linux. This project is different than Internet2 or some of the other "alternate Internet" networks being developed, and seems to offer the most benefit to distributed computing projects rather than generic WAN/Internet communications."
This has exsited for ages. (Score:4, Funny)
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If we slashdot the INTERNET google should be the least of your worries.
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well, no wonder... (Score:1)
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Mod parent up (Score:1)
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I like the notice on their cached page:
Google is not affiliated with the authors of this page nor responsible for its content
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M$ bought Al Gore (Score:2)
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I nearly had a heart-attack when I saw that, you bastard!
Fortunately I realised that that was because Google ignored the "The" preceding the "internet".
This [google.com] should give a more accurate representation.
At least according to to Mike [userfriendly.org]...
Google really did get slashdotted?!? (Score:1)
When I clicked it, google retunred:
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OHMIGOD! You've just committed a /. mortal sin. It's a {gasp} GIF image!
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respect!
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(+1, Underestimated)
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Except of course, $$$.
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I know that some companies are offering thier GIS datasets on HD instead of cdr now, but they do charge a bit more. Backing up to cdr is pretty useless for 40 Gigs of data though. Ramble Ramble.
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Is it just me... (Score:5, Insightful)
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They're enabling the empowerment and synergy of the new paradigm.
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At least that's what it sounds like to me.
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Instead of relying on the Internet to link up your distributed machines, PlanetLab would be a closed high performance network that would allow the researchers to avoid the usual Internet traffic jams.
Also known as a private LAN
Re:Is it just me... (Score:5, Insightful)
After yet another read of the article it looks like they are just building a mock-up Internet on which to test their distributed apps. This would allow them to see how their apps will perform when linked over the Internet rather than in a closed lab 100mb network environment.
This would help them avoid comments like "Gee, those data packets sure take a long time to get back to us" once they move their app to the real world outside the lab.
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But - that's only part of the goal. Ultimately, I believe that the goal of Planetlab is to help transition these research technologies into deployed, useful services; so the network becomes more than just a research platform, it becomes the next DNS infrastructure, or the next Akamai, or the next Napster (ok, ok, don't sue!).
So, some of the examples the article cited are pretty illustrative. For example, the MIT Chord [mit.edu] project is a Distributed Hash Table. DHTs are a peer-to-peer storage/retrieval system that allow completely decentralized resource sharing between cooperating hosts. And so on, and so on. The hope of the PlanetLab folk is that some of these projects will become the foundation for the next Internet architecture, or internet middleware, or whatever it is you want to call it -- the next set of critical services that change the way we use the 'net.
But even before that, Planetlab is one heck of a useful research tool. There are several papers at this year's Sigcomm [acm.org] conference (big computer networking conference) that took their measurements using Planetlab. There are a number of other papers and projects in the pipeline that're using planetlab as their research testbed. The cool thing about planetlab is that it's now considerably larger than most prior testbeds, and has a lot more momentum for future growth. Full disclosure: I spend a part of my time working on planetlab, but this post is not any kind of official view, it's just my interpretation.-
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It looked like that to me, once I'd got as far as the Planetlab site itself - a whole big testbed for distributed (really, truly, actually distributed) applications.
There's a whole lotta comments on this story that don't seem to have got as far as the site yet.
It didn't say when whe Windows version is coming out, though ;)
standards and flexibility (Score:5, Insightful)
Shiny! (Score:5, Insightful)
Now they just need to break the schedulers on the machines, to make them randomly almost-starve a process to make sure it can cope with a slow machine.
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PlanetLab won't help much with that. Most of the PlanetLab nodes are pretty well connected, certainly better than modems. It lets you test latency pretty realistically, given that the nodes span the globe.
Modelnet [duke.edu] might be a better bet for emulati
Here's my Internet Emulator (Score:4, Funny)
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Idea!! (Score:1)
All I'd need on a car trip (Score:1)
Except you know.. maby the internet on DVD, for long car rides through nevada?
All I'd need on a long car trip would be my e-mail, the last two weeks of Kuro5hin and Slashdot stories, plus caches of pages that the stories and the highest-rated comments link to. I don't need the whole web on DVD, just the part that I'm likely to read in the next couple hours. It's like The Matrix: when no human is looking, the Matrix does computations on its world model at a coarse precision.
Lemmie guess... (Score:5, Funny)
What does it do? (Score:3, Interesting)
While I'd expect the test system to make at least some use of existing infastructure, but perhaps they'll find something to replace the current TCP/IP protocol, or something more towards IPV6.
It will be interesting to see the evolution of the internet in such as way. The content has changed but much of the mechanism behind it is still rooted in legacy. I wonder if this is intended to be a full switchover or just an upgrade.
Oh, and I wonder if private entities (such as myself) can also participate to test it out...?
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Not sure what they're talking about (Score:2)
Incidentally, I find most laymen's concept of the internet very funny.
They tend to get about 60 to 90% of the concept....
Oh please... (Score:5, Funny)
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When will it be "real"... (Score:3, Insightful)
If you want to emulate all the behaviors of the real internet, you need to welcome the hackers. crackers and script kiddies, not to mention the "moms".
Forget about the AOLers, we don't need 'em.
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Did someone say Internet Emulator? (Score:5, Funny)
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I doubt you'd have been willing to PAY for the experience (like you do with the real one).
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A meta-testbed (Score:4, Funny)
Anything you can do I can do meta. I can do anything meta than you.
PlanetLab network behavior (Score:3, Funny)
I did RTFA (Score:3, Insightful)
''[The Web is] so successful and so many people depend on it, it's become impossible to go to the core of the Internet and make radical changes to introduce the kind of new services we see people wanting to deploy,'' Princeton University scientist and Intel Research member Larry Peterson said during a conference call to the press.
How are changes so "radical" that it needs a newly designed system to merely do development and testing ever going to able to be gradually introduced into the "core of the Internet"?
Won't fly IMHO.
Change the Internet... to what? (Score:4, Interesting)
"This is about pooling resources and to build out the infrastructure, but in the end this about lowering the barrier to entry to developing on the Internet," Peterson said.
"Lowering the barrier?" My goodness, my 12-year-old daughter could be designing Flash-enabled websites if she weren't so busy on AIM. What "barrier" are they talking about? I'd almost suggest we need higher "barriers" to keep out the "wELCOM tO MY wEBSIGHTE" kiddies.
Now read that last sentence again.
Maybe I'm letting paranoia run loose, but there are more than a few folks in industry that would also like to keep those kiddies off the 'net, raise the bar, have an Internet that is "more useful everyday," as Bill would say. The net effect, though, is to remove the internet [aolsucks.org] gadflies [toronto.edu] that make the 'net such a democratizing medium.
The web's success isn't due to the Microsofts and the AOLs -- it's the little guys like me [dixie-chicks.com] and you [texturedigital.com] who rub the fat cats the wrong way.
With "high-tech companies... key to the project's success" (and Intel and HP specifically mentioned), I'm afraid their goal is to make the 'net better for those high-tech companies... and to leave the rest of the masses out of the "New Internet".
But maybe I'm just being paranoid.
Hmmm . .this makes me think . .. (Score:1)
Internet Emulator (Score:5, Funny)
If this thing can't even emulate the most basic function of the Internet, I don't know how it's gonna succeed.
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In other news (Score:4, Funny)
What? Not funny anymore? Guess I'll go hang myself then.
Different, but better? (Score:2)
No batteries included (Score:1, Redundant)
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Because it's easier than the Turing test.
Example code:
while(true){
produceRandomQuote(false);
}
See - simple.
I thought you said Internet Explorer Emulator (Score:1, Funny)
Download it! (Score:1)
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Who wants to "Emulate" the Internet? (Score:2, Funny)
Internet Emulator? (Score:2, Funny)
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Which version? (Score:2)
Which version? With the rate of integer jumps in Redhat's latest releases, is it that likely we'll see 10.0 before this article's life expectency is up the next few days?
WAIL at University of Wisconsin (Score:3, Interesting)
The website is located at http://wail.cs.wisc.edu [wisc.edu]
Right now the project is still getting started (We in the Computer Systems Lab just finished building them 75 P4 2.4Ghz machines with gigabit cards soley for the purpose of packet generation, as far as I understand) but it should be really interesting when it gets done. Basically, it's a simulation of the internet all in one room. It's a cool room to be in...lots of wires and cisco crap everywhere. Almost as cool as the main CS server room...
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