

NASA Sending Probe to Saturn 215
Plissken writes "Nasa along with the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency have launched a towards Saturn in hopes of obtaining vital data to help understand the mysterious, vast region. The Cassini-Huygens mission is composed of two elements: The Cassini orbiter that will orbit Saturn and it's moons for four years, and the Huygens probe will dive into the depths of Titan and land on it's surface. If all goes well, more than 200 scientists worldwide will study the data collected."
news? (Score:1, Offtopic)
What's the news value of this?
Re:news? (Score:3, Informative)
200 scientists (Score:3, Insightful)
someone tell me the data is public domain... anyone?
Re:200 scientists (Score:1, Funny)
Re:200 scientists (Score:3, Interesting)
released in the public domain after 12 months.
The delay is to give their scientists a head
start in the publicating their work.
In some cases the data is witheld like in the
case of the almost global world RADAR map with
30 m resolution
Re:200 scientists (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:200 scientists (Score:1, Funny)
I have a use for it, I'd analyse it to death until I have some sort of sequence that matches the dimensions of the Pyramids, preferably also chucking in the orientation of Stonehenge and distance of Easter Island from Atlantis.
Then I'd write a book.
Perhaps I should patent my Business plan first? or is there prior [wired.com] art [amasci.com]?
Re:200 scientists (Score:2)
The scientests involved will more than likely release pretty pictures for you to look at anyway.
This has been real problem... (Score:1, Interesting)
It seems that seniority really does play a big part in who gets the data and when. She was just starting out, and was way down on the list, and had a hard time getting access to new data. She eventually chucked astrophysics and started doing plain old software development.
I guess that if you get your hands on the data first, you've got a pretty good chance at writing some important papers and perhaps getting
Re:200 scientists (Score:5, Informative)
The researchers who get immediate access to the data are the ones who have already spent a decade or more of their lives working on the project. In return for their long-term commitment to the project they get the raw data first. After an agreed amount of time, which can vary from project to project but is meant to be long enough to analyse the numbers and write a paper on the subject, the data is made more widely available.
Most space missions including the Hubble Telescope work the same way. Apart from the occasional "pretty" picture used for publicity, the researchers who have planned a set of observations get the first chance to analyse and publish. Those who don't want to make the up-front commitment just have to be patient.
Re:200 scientists (Score:2)
In mission-speak, the first thing to do is transform raw data (Level 1A) into corrected data (Level 1B), before it is ready to be processed and interpreted (Level 2 and above). Mission scientists don't want uninforme
Ugh, this is 6 1/2 years old (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Ugh, this is 6 1/2 years old (Score:2)
JPL's Official Site [nasa.gov]
and
Current Location [nasa.gov].
FYI: Cassini launched on Oct. 15 1997.
Measurements.... (Score:4, Funny)
ESA Engineer: We need to calibrate the spinoff vector 3 micrometers forward.
NASA Engineer: Micrometers?
ESA Engineer: Yes, metric units.
NASA Engineer: Metric?
A bit over the top perhaps, but it's not like it hasn't happened before
Re:Measurements.... (Score:5, Informative)
This has been beaten to death already. Can we get over the stupid metric jokes? And if your going to do them, can you at least get them RIGHT?
I am quite positive that ESA would use metric, and infact, NASA uses metric too.
Why did we lose the Mars Climate Orbiter? Precisely because NASA *does* use Metric, but NASA's outsourcing to Lockheed Martin, unfortunately, doesn't. American coroporations persist on using ye olde system, while NASA infact DOES use metric.
So don't pay out NASA, they did it right. Lockheed Martin fucked this one up.
D.
Re:Measurements.... (Score:3, Funny)
I'm sorry if the joke offends you, but it was meant as a joke, not an I-point-out-stupid-Americans exercise.
Re:Measurements.... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Measurements.... (Score:4, Insightful)
You almost make it sound like I-point-out-stupid-Americans exercises are bad.
Re:Measurements.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Measurements.... (Score:2)
The US and UK use feet, inch, mile, etc out of tradition. It would be a very hard and costly endevour to change it.
The same goes for kalvin vs. fahrenheit vs. celcius, gallon vs. litre, etc. (Though the litre is a metric standard, so maybe that's a bad example)
No one standard are better than the others. It's just that some countries started using one standard a long time ago and some countries another.
The world would be
Re:Measurements.... (Score:3, Funny)
So NASA bad, LM good... or something like that...
Re:Measurements.... (Score:1)
Re:Measurements.... (Score:1)
Re:Measurements.... (Score:4, Informative)
It turns out that the meter isn't a good "human" unit for most applications. All day I've been working on building a computer room in Australia. They used to use a foot as unit of measure but now use metric and have for 20+ years. The problem is none of the locals now know metric or imperial. I had a flatemate that was an architecture student at Melboure Uni. Not one of her friends who where in the same program could tell me how wide the lounge room was within 2 meters (its 16 ft as built in the finest tradtions in the 1850's). To me this is very scary considering they are all at least 3 years into an architecture degree.
The plywood flooring we bought was 3.6m by
All the bolts are in inch sizes but the drill bits are metric. Its a real mess.
I'm quite happy to deal with the metric system nearly everywhere execpt when it comes to building materials and in that case feet work much better. I know builders in the US that never need to write down measurements, the locals need a spreadsheet to keep the numbers together for small projects.
If the local police hear that a suspect is 5'10, they figure +/- 2 inches while if someone says 180 cm they figure +/- 20cm (thats 4x larger than 2 in)
Realestate in Australia is sold in "square" units (a square, not a square something but simply a square) that only one out of 20 people know about. It could be a quare meter or an acre and most people wouldn't have a clue.
Most people under 20 in Australia have never delt with non-metric (except for how tall people are an how heavy babies are) and couldn't tell you how big a foot is if they had too but they aren't much better for metric. The Kiwis are about as bad (so I'm not just picking on the Aussies, I just know more of them)
I propose that a metric foot be a nano-light second (about
You have to convert the physical world too (Score:1)
Re:You have to convert the physical world too (Score:1)
Re:You have to convert the physical world too (Score:2)
Mass can even be more annoying. There, the standard is kilograms, not grams
Re:Thank you Mr. Biology (Score:2)
That's a peculiar prejudice. I have nothing to do with biology.
"Most scientists , and biologists that have a head above their sholders, use what ever is most convienint."
Isn't that exactly what people complained about when the Mars probe was lost? That LockMart was using units that were "convenient" instead of switching to all-SI and forcing their private-sector customers to follow suit?
"Absolutely, no si unit is "anoying"
Re:You have to convert the physical world too (Score:2)
That's all well and good for new products, but what about repairing older products? Do you have any idea how many 5/8" bolts are out there?
Obligatory Movie-Tie-In Quote (Score:2)
-- Brazil 1995, Terry Gilliam [imdb.com]
What about the flux capacitor? (Score:1)
Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:1, Interesting)
This raises another question. We might be looking for life in all the wrong place
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:3, Insightful)
It's very likely that there is life out there which is not similar to ours... but where do we look?
Examining everything is impossible... there are just too many places to look, and too many things to look for. We are unlikely to find those (non-relationship-guide-human-females) Silicon-based Venusians unless they were broadcasting in English on FM frequencies. And even then, we'd probably not notice.
Looking for things like
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:1)
My fridge?
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:3, Informative)
If life exists on Titan, the human race will seek to exploit it for our own goals of exploration to other worlds. Not a hugely good thing, but good none the less.
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:5, Insightful)
But if we found life on Titan, it would likely be in the very early stages and it wouldn't be particularly interesting. So I don't see why we're making a huge fuss over it.
Taking this logic to the extreme, we should only bother to look for not just life, but actuall civilications at least as advanced as our own.. right?
Wrong! By looking somewhere close and looking for something roughtly simular to the various forms of life we know from earth we can learn a lot. First and foremost, we'll learn that the earth isn't anything special. There is life out there, not just in our imagination, not just around distant stars, but basicly right out there in our own back yard. True, there could exist siliconbased life in the volcanoes on Venus - possible with a life-chemestry analog to the one we find in creatures here on earth that lives near black smokers - but it's a good idea to go look places where we and our probes can surive first, isn't it?
And maybe we are looking in the right place for the right thing. You never know before you actually takes a look...
Ever read Titan by Stephen Baxter? (Score:1, Interesting)
talk about a visionary novel: it opens with a scene aboard space shuttle Columbia, and during the first fifty pages of the book, Columbia gets destroyed in an accident during reentry in the earths atmosphere. Furthermore, Baxter mentions one contemporary dictator, and guess who it is: Sadd
Re:Ever read Titan by Stephen Baxter? (Score:3, Funny)
OMG! Rearrange the bits in the Swahili spelling of "Stephen Baxter" and you get "Nostradamus"!
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:2, Insightful)
Whoa dude (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's start by looking in the obvious places first.
It doesn't matter so much WHAT we find, as long as we find something. Then we can see whether [we|life on earth] is a fluke or not. (And we can see whether or not there are/have been paralllellls in the development of either - or whether one is the origin of the other...etc etc
And obviously, by looking in obvious (and familiar) places, we increase the probability that we will actually recognize the life-forms that we find!
e.g.
Silicon life-forms? Sure...eh..ok...how do you know it's alive? What might be a hundred years to carbon-based life-forms might be 1 second of comparative time to a silicon based-lifeform (or even the inverse of that
Let's start by finding alien bacteria and stuff like that....much easier
Oh, just a thought:
** If NASA *DO* find signs of life on another planet then I think the same thing will happen as what happened with the so-called 'martian' bacteria that supposedly arrived on earth by hopping on a comet/asteroid/rock -> We will end up with endless arguments over cross-contamination and whether or not we put those bugs there in the first place.
Space might be freakin' cold and a very convenient vacuum, but it doesn't stop pollen and bacteria and god knows what else from happily travelling along with our space-probes
(And I need someone to confirm this: Was there stuff growing on the outside of ol' MIR? or is that a myth?)
I was going to add another bit on how religious groups might get upset when the scientific community announces they've found life on other planets....but that's just asking for a troll-rating (:o (Hmm...some cults/sects would be ecstatic I'd imagine
Re:Whoa dude (Score:2)
As for religion, it will adapt. Somehow, Christianity came to terms with the fact that the Earth isn't the center of the universe, or even the solar system. Somehow, it has accepted much of medical science, and we all now accept that diseases are the result of
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:4, Insightful)
I can think of two reasons, the first is purely for the novelty of it - Titan has an atmosphere, no other satellite does.
The second is more important. Titan appears to have a mixture of organic compounds and nitrogen in its atmosphere, which would make it very similar to the primordial atmosphere on Earth. if we can look at the chemistry of the Titan atmosphere and see what is happening to the compounds on Titan under the influence of solar radiation, we can start to work out what happened on Earth all those billions of years ago.
I don't think anyone is seriously expecting to find life on Titan, the surface temperature is so low that most chemistry has effectively ground to a halt.
And even if you aren't excited at the mission, think of the awe-inspiring pictures we're going to get of Saturn and its rings.
Best wishes,
Mike.
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:2, Interesting)
But if we do find even single celled organisms, it is a HUGE F'ING DEAL! Besides the simple proof that we aren't alone, finding life in our own solar system implies that life is probably neither uncommon or insanely spread out. And, if life is that common, intelligent life can't be all that rare.
The reason we look in Earth-like places for Earth-like life is that we know life like us is possible in conditions like ours. We know how to recognize it an
Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? (Score:2, Insightful)
Old stuff (Score:5, Funny)
I suppose the submitter wanted both karma and attention whoring. Soon we'll see the following story:
New transportation system invented.
Megawhore writes: I seems that researchers [mit.edu] have invented a revolutionary new transportation system called wheel which enables people to get around loads without carrying them....
I think this will enable us to transport our MP3 server's around.
I don't get no respect (Score:2)
(But my submissions about MS EULA forbidding users to even tell anyone benchmark results on
Huh? (Score:5, Informative)
Infact there was alot of Cassini news on slashdot (and other sites) when Cassini did its Jupiter flyby, alowing us to examine and study jupiter from 2 vantage points... Cassini on its flyby, and Galileo in orbit.
Anyway. This'll be fantastic news once Cassini does approach Saturn, and inserts itself into orbit!
D.
The bets are on... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:The bets are on... (Score:1)
Re:The bets are on... (Score:2, Funny)
-aiabx
Old news or Premature news (Score:5, Informative)
The spacecraft is in good health and is undergoing routine checkouts of the systems and is downlinking pictues of Saturn.
Not exactly front page news....
Re:Old news or Premature news (Score:2)
Oh well....
Re:Old news or Premature news (Score:2)
You mean it didn't break up over earth, spewing radioactive death all across the surface of the planet, killing off all human life in the process? Shouldn't the cockroaches be in power or something?
Did the "environmental" lobby ever suggest a different power source for space probes going to Saturn?
In other news... (Score:3, Funny)
Late breaking news! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Late breaking news! (Score:1)
Actually, there may or may not have been a sudden mass extinction: it's one of the big, long-running controversies among dinosaur palaeontologists. What's not in doubt is that there was a mass extinction (well, duh!) but the timescale has not been and may never be established - the evidence just doesn't have enough resolution, at 65 million years' distance, to establ
Re:Late breaking news! (Score:1)
More late breaking news! (Score:2)
And this is 'recent' news? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:And this is 'recent' news? (Score:2)
Is this why the CowboyNeal option has dissappeared from the polls??
In other news.... (Score:2)
Slow news day, huh?
Probe.... (Score:1)
launched a what ? (Score:2, Funny)
A car ?, a piece of fruit ?, a major new military offensive ?. Please don't tell me it's just a boring old probe.
Re:launched a what ? (Score:2)
We only have 25 left now, right? (Score:5, Funny)
Goddamn. They're spending our letters like they grow on trees. Sure, today they're just launching 'a', but tomorrow it'll be 'x', and then 't'. I want to know when they're planning on launching'u' and 'i' in to space...
Re:We only have 25 left now, right? (Score:2)
italian spaceagency! (Score:2, Funny)
here's a more interesting story... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:here's a more interesting story... (Score:2)
Huygens probe (Score:4, Informative)
So far, all we have seen of Titan is the Orange clouds circling the planet. The Huygens probe will dive through Titan's atmosphere and reveal what lies below the clouds.
Re:Huygens probe (Score:1)
Still, Titan is very interesting, and as you said, less toxic to life than most other places around the solar system.
Pretty DAMN warm cloths (Score:5, Informative)
However, the surface temperature of Titan is 95 Kelvin. Liquid nitrogen is 75 Kelvin at 1 atmosphere pressure. Water ice melts at 273 Kelvin at one atmosphere. Water boils at 373 Kelvin at one atmosphere.
You would need some pretty DAMN warm clothes. In fact, you would need better insulation on Titan than you would on the dark side of the Moon, as Titan's atmosphere would be conducting and convecting heat away from you at a prodigious rate.
Re:Useful cool (Score:2)
64 bytes from 192.168.44.12: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52 time=10803411.277 msec
What do you think could be wrong??
Re:Huygens probe (Score:2)
If you only count visible wavelengths, true. But we have images from a few other bands, mainly radio and infrared. These can make it to the surface, allowing us to do some sorts of mapping.
Should improve Ford's image (Score:1)
I guess it's true ... (Score:1)
Cassini (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Cassini (Score:2)
Until it gets there and works, we don't know that your fisrt sentence necessarily leads to your second. The fact they built it at greater cost and with a much more lavish set of features may mean that one simple problem could be devastating, whereas the cheaper model at least might spread the risk around by sending several more task-specific probe
Significantly... (Score:1)
Next stop: URANUS! (Score:1)
Geddit?
No? Ok,
Is this a new model ? (Score:1)
I just checked www.saturn.com [saturn.com] and they mentioned the ION, the L-series, and the VUE, but not the "towards". Is this a new model ?
I've just checked hwysafety [hwysafety.org] too, and although they have picture of "launching" cars (saturns among others), they don't mention the "towards" either, nor the "vast region", they tend to launch the
That is so 1997. (Score:1)
Apostrophes (Score:1, Insightful)
Sheesh.
Hmm... (Score:1)
I think we all need better proofreading so we can tell if we any words out.
Better than (Score:2)
have launched a what? (Score:1)
editors: edit something once in a while? put the word "probe" in there? please?
you can still send your name to a comet! (Score:1)
http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/sendyourname/ind
I remember a few years ago, I was able to send the name "Free Kevin" to Mars!
English contribution at the last minute (Score:2)
"Look at that! It's a !"
NASA Sending Probe to Saturn (Score:2)
And I thought it was just a damn uncomfortable car seat. I feel so violated!
(For Europeans, Saturn is a US car company that make relatively... let's call them "efficient"... cars.)
NASA Sending Probe to Saturn (Score:2)
NASA Sending Probe to Uranus
Re:NASA Sending Probe to Saturn (Score:2)
As long as they don't send a probe to Uranus (Score:2)
Professor: "I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all."
Fry: "Oh. What's it called now?"
Professor: "Urectum."
It won't... (Score:3, Funny)
They just turn their DNS in such a way that your packets have to go to Saturn, Jupiter, Webhop in a small private Europa-Io-X firewall and then allow you access to 0.0.0.1:0.0.0.255 (Earth)
Hopefully, your lag will only be a couple centuries.
Re:It won't... (Score:2)
Does IPv6 have longer timeouts, or will we need *another* systems specifically for space comms?
Re:It won't... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:What's the news? (Score:5, Informative)
It was launched [astronautix.com] in 1997
Re:Fill in the blank? (Score:2)
--RJ
Re:Fill in the blank? (Score:1)
have launched a towards Saturn
So, its not fill-in-the-blank after all... its just that its probe "a" ???
Choose your battles (Score:1)
One should choose one's battles, space seems easier...