Hypernova Erupts as Global Telescopes Scramble 205
An anonymous reader writes "The remarkable Robotic Optical Transient Search Experiment [ROTSE] telescopes have tracked a 2 billion year old hypernova, from which an intense gamma ray burst reached earth on March 29. From Carl Akerlof, the ROTSE investigator: "The optical brightness of this gamma ray burst is about 100 times more intense than anything we've ever seen before." To underscore how the sun never rises on this automated telescope network, the observations switched rapidly from New South Wales in Australia back to Fort Davis, Texas, over a 12 hour burnout of the collapsing black hole."
a hypernova! (Score:1, Funny)
jeez, silly names...
Re:a hypernova! (Score:1, Interesting)
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Re:a hypernova! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:a hypernova! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:a hypernova! (Score:2, Funny)
1000. A gibinova would be 1024 times stronger. See http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html [nist.gov].
Good point (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:a hypernova! (Score:2, Insightful)
Saw this on that PBS show.... (Score:1)
Ananova! (Score:2)
Re:Ananova! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:a hypernova! (Score:1)
GAMMA BURST! Hitting us right now! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:GAMMA BURST! Hitting us right now! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:GAMMA BURST! Hitting us right now! (Score:1)
Re:But imagine .. (Score:2)
The parent is the kind of post that normally just deserves an off topic mod, but in *this* context... perhaps funny is the best available, but grim is what would be appropriate. Gallows humor.
You can't do anything about the problem, all you can do is laugh. At jokes that aren't funny.
Too bad.... (Score:5, Funny)
Quoted a co-worker, "It's what we call in the nova business retirony."
Re:Too bad.... (Score:1)
"I'm getting too old for this shit."
Ack! (Score:1)
Wonderful...an intense gamma ray burst. I wonder how much this increases my chances of getting cancer...?
Re:Ack! (Score:1)
Re:Ack! (Score:1)
Re:Ack! (Score:3, Informative)
Wonderful...an intense gamma ray burst. I wonder how much this increases my chances of getting cancer...?
Only if you do a lot of sunbathing outside the Earth'r atmosphere.
Re:Ack! (Score:1)
*the green color in glass comes from chromium.
don't worry about cancer (Score:3, Informative)
Doc Bruce Banner, belted by gamma rays ... (Score:2, Funny)
As the late great Carl Sagan would have said... (Score:2)
Re:As the late great Carl Sagan would have said... (Score:1)
Old News. (Score:5, Funny)
Slow news day?
Re:Old News. (Score:1)
Re:Old News. (Score:2)
Re:Old News. (Score:5, Interesting)
Being big news, it certainly raises some interesting questions:
1). Given the enormous power output of this burst ("more than a million times the combined output of all the stars in the Milky Way" for at least a minute, then falling off) what effect would this have had on any organic life in that galaxy? More specifically, could anything bigger than a bacterium have survived?
2). Are there any hypernova candidates in our own galaxy or the local Magellanic clouds?
3). If there are, how much warning will we get before they go off?
4). Assuming only technologies which don't contravene our current understanding of physics, how long would take us to retreat to a safe distance (the intergalactic void presumably)?
One can only suspect that this might be one of those theoretical (until now) pan-galactic sterilizing "reset" events. Which might settle the debate over the Fermi paradox once and for all.
Re:Old News. (Score:2)
6) Are the aliens responsible for this? Good tactical plan: get all of Earth's telescopes to point in one direction, then come at us from the opposite.
Re:Old News. (Score:2)
Re:Old News. (Score:3, Interesting)
OTOH, perhaps the radiation wouldn't be emitted symmetrically. In that case it seem likely that there could be parts of the galaxy that would survive. But just suppose that a large black hole was quite nearby when S-Doradus choos
Re:Old News. (Score:2)
For a science-fictionalized context, you may enjoy the second book Space in Stephen Baxter's excellent Manifold trilogy.
Can you get my back? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Can you get my back? (Score:2)
Actually 9 billion years divided by 0.1 seconds works out to an SPF of 79,000,000,000,000.
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Re:Can you get my back? (Score:1)
+5 Informative I say! And damn the sunscreen!
I'll Get The Ball Rolling (Score:5, Funny)
And five minutes later, after someone accidentally spilled coffee on Dr. Akerlof, angering him, he was quoted as saying... wait for it... wait for it... all together now...
HULK SMASH!!!
Let the painfully immature gamma ray jokes begin.
Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:4, Funny)
Daniel
Re:Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:2)
Would something like this pretty much scour the "nearby" star systems clean of any life they might have supported? Kinda sucks to have a roll of the dice come up snakeyes and have a black hole collapse somewhere close enough to sterilize your planet.
Re:Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:2)
Yup, pretty much. Kind of like being inside the cosmic equivalent of a microwave oven for a few minutes or days. The Earth's atmosphere would probably filter most of it, but depending on how long it lasts it may either saturate or show bad side-effects, and it won't filter all of it - nothing filters gamma rays 100%, it's always only a percentage (unlike alpha or beta which can be blocked com
Re:Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:5, Interesting)
Possible Hypernova Could Affect Earth [space.com]
Re:Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:2)
Stars aren't all packed at the same density in our galaxy, or others. Where stars are less dense, these purging events would be less common, and Fermi's aliens would have a chance to continue existing. Of course,
Re:your math is screwed (Score:2)
Re:Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:2)
Re:Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:2)
Daniel
Re:Well... keep fingers crossed (Score:1, Funny)
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Before it gets slashdotted.... (Score:5, Informative)
Hypernova Blast:
Global Chase Ensues
based on U. Michigan release
Two billion years ago, in a far-away galaxy, a giant star exploded, releasing almost unbelievable amounts of energy as it collapsed to a black hole. The light from that explosion finally reached Earth at 6:37 a.m. EST on March 29, igniting a frenzy of activity among astronomers worldwide. This phenomenon has been called a hypernova, playing on the name of the supernova events that mark the violent end of massive stars.
With two telescopes separated by about 110 degrees longitude, the Robotic Optical Transient Search Experiment (ROTSE) will have one of the most continuous records of this explosion.
The changing intensity of a gamma-ray burst. On the left is an image of the gamma ray sky showing the burst becoming the brightest object. On the right is a plot of the changing brightness with time. The first gamma-ray burst was seen in the year 1967 (although it was not reported to the world until 1973) by satellite-borne detectors intended to look for violations of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. Credit: BATSE
"The optical brightness of this gamma ray burst is about 100 times more intense than anything we've ever seen before. It's also much closer to us than all other observed bursts so we can study it in considerably more detail," said Carl W. Akerlof, an astrophysicist in the Physics Department at the University of Michigan.
Contrary to visible light, gamma rays are non-thermal meaning that they are not produced in hot celestial bodies like the sun. Gamma rays occur in exceptional circumstances such as in the aftermath of a stellar explosion, in the vicinity of black holes, or at the core of active galaxies.
Just recently, the ROTSE group commissioned two optical telescopes in Australia and Texas and were waiting for the first opportunities to use the new equipment. The burst was promptly detected by NASA's Earth orbiting High-Energy Transient Explorer (HETE-2) but human intervention was required to find the exact location.
Despite sporadic clouds and rainstorms in Australia, the ROTSE instrument at Siding Spring Observatory in northern New South Wales was able to record the decaying light from the blast. Twelve hours later, the second ROTSE telescope in Fort Davis, Texas was picking up the job of monitoring this spectacular explosion.
"During the first minute after the explosion it emitted energy at a rate more than a million times the combined output of all the stars in the Milky Way. If you concentrated all the energy that the sun will put out over its entire 9 billion-year life into a tenth of a second, then you would have some idea of the brightness," said Michael Ashley, faculty member in the astrophysics and optics department at the University of New South Wales and a member of the ROTSE team.
Given that the history of astronomy goes back centuries, observations in the gamma spectrum are really among the newest areas in celestial research. The high-energy light is swallowed by the earth's atmosphere yet the light cannot be captured with conventional lenses or mirrors. Special detectors in satellites and high altitude research rockets register gamma rays with energies of up to around ten billion electron volts.
Gamma rays occur in exceptional circumstances such as in the aftermath of a stellar explosion, in the vicinity of black holes, or at the core of active galaxies. Credit: NASA
Fortunately for life on earth, a gamma particle from the universe does not penetrate to the earth's surface, but if it flies past an atomic nucleus within the earth's atmosphere, the gamma particle can transform itself into an electron and its (positive) antiparticle, a positron. During its journey through the air, this pair comes across more atomic nuclei and a gamma quantum is generated which then once again hits atomic nuclei. Thus, a single cosmic gamma particle creates roughly a thousand secondar
Choice of names... (Score:5, Funny)
Fortunately, they didn't call their telescope network the Global Optical Automatic Transient Search Experiment, whose headquarter are in the Christmas Islands.
Re:Choice of names... (Score:1)
Automatic Transient Search EXperiment" is.
blindsided (Score:5, Insightful)
yeah, but if it were september would we even know it happened?
IANAA but, it seems that even if you always have someone looking into the night sky, it's only half of the sky - you cant see the side where the sun is untill later in the year.
now if we could somehow drop a satellite telescope behind in orbit around the sun about 6 months behind us and another 3 months behind (for line of sight comms) we could get a more complete picture of our neiborhood year round.
or...i could be completly ignorant.
Re:blindsided (Score:5, Informative)
However, it's much easier just to put the telescope in orbit around the earth. Without atmospheric scattering, the telescope can be aimed close to the sun. That's one of the advantages of Hubble over any terrestrial telescope.
huh? (Score:2)
Re:blindsided (Score:2)
obsessive vogons (Score:2)
From what I understand, there's already a spaceship in that precise location.
In the make you wonder department. (Score:4, Interesting)
Problem is this only happened in March so how did it expand 4 light years in like a few months and how exactly did that expansion happen when some how the burst just reached us over that distance.
Anyone see a problem here? It expands 4 light years in size in just a few months yet some how the light manages to travel 2 billion light years.
I can't see how this could have happened, Iv'e been thinking about it since it was posted as APOD picture of the day a few days ago.
Expansion faster then the speed of light? It don't make sence to me.
Re:In the make you wonder department. (Score:2)
I'm sure that there is some sort of perfectly rational physilogical or astronomical explanation for this, but... could someone atleast share so we know?
How did this expansion occur seemingly faster than light?
Re:In the make you wonder department. (Score:2, Insightful)
You need to remember that nothing is breaking the speed of light barrier here because we're talking about different parts of the explosion: because the explosion is taking place so far away distances get amplified - simple trig. It's all in the angles. Think about cones.
Of course I might not know what I'm talking about either, or am answering a question d
Re:In the make you wonder department. (Score:2, Informative)
Now they're saying the nebula has always been there and it just being illuminated so the nebula is not traveling faster then the speed of the light...
Ya ok fair enough but the light has traveled 3.5 light years from the center in only a single year.
Now it don't make sence to me so I asked them to explain it to me and if I get a reply I'll post it here.
Re:In the make you wonder department. (Score:2)
Ya ok fair enough but the light has traveled 3.5 light years from the center in only a single year.
You are making the mistaken assumption that the hypernova is at the center of the nebula when, in fact,
Re:In the make you wonder department. (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/light_ech
and the pretty picture to accompany it here:
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedispla
Re:In the make you wonder department. (Score:2)
Re:In the make you wonder department. (Score:2)
Re:In the make you wonder department. (Score:2, Informative)
A simplified model:
Imagine a light and you are 2 light-seconds apart with a thin translucent screen halfway between you and the bulb, this sc
That's Pretty Big (Score:5, Insightful)
The key phrase here is then you would have some idea. Frankly, there is a point in astronomy and astrophysics where things get so big, and so fast, and so bright, that the only idea that remains in one's brain when trying to imagine such phenomena is a white light with a big hand reaching into it. The example above is classic: first I have to imagine 9 billion years (good luck, I can't even remember what happened yesterday) and then I have to imagine a tenth of a second, which is like a total brain fart. And then, and only then, would I have some idea of the brightness. Well, I guess that I would have some idea if my head hadn't imploded while trying to imagine that nanofart called a "tenth of a second." Geezus.
Co-incidentally.. (Score:4, Interesting)
There are absolutely massive numbers involved that it's difficult to realistically comprehend them let alone compare them meaningfully.
Co-incidentally, I worked out for someone tonight that if the Sun and the Earth were 5 centimetres apart (that's a couple of inches), then the Andromeda galaxy would be roughly 6.7 million kilometres down the road. (About 4 million miles.) And Andromeda's one of the closest of what was most recently estimated to be around 80 billion galaxies.
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Re:That's Pretty Big (Score:2)
Their neighbor, the hundreths of a second, are below our visual actuity (not to mention the cheap LCD's refresh rate), and appear as nothing but a blur, even if you have something you can see them reliably on. That's harder to comprehend correctly, although there are still real
Comparing the incomparable (Score:2)
25 or 30 years ago, when Pulsars were a relatively new phenomenon, I attended a presentation at the old McLaughlin Planetarium, where the presenter gave a very memorable presentation. He was explaining how the Crab Nebula co
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... (Score:5, Funny)
The death of star. Death Star.
I predict they might be seeing a second one of these explosions any time soon...
ROTSE (Score:1, Funny)
Tim
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Looking at it now with the VLT (Score:2)
I wrote about it in my
Re:Looking at it now with the VLT (Score:1)
New Telescope? (Score:2, Funny)
Or is it? (Score:2)
or
Is it aliens shooting at us?
"gamma ray burst is about 100 times more intense than anything we've ever seen before", Yep aliens for sure.
Gamma rays (Score:4, Informative)
This is of course not true - gamma rays are produced in many places, among other things by Radium, if my memory serves me. And the Sun does indeed produce gamma rays are essentially just high energy photons, just like visible light (and radio waves, for that matter) with 'high energy'. Electromagnetic radiation is quantified in 'packets' called photons, and it is mostly a metter of taste whether you call them radio waves, microwaves, light, X-rays or gamma rays. There's an upper for gamma photons by the way (sort of): a photon with very high energy will tend to 'split' and form a pair consisting of an electron and a positron, which then annihilate in a burst of photons.
optical gamma rays? (Score:4, Redundant)
Aren't gamma rays by definition not optical (i.e. not in the visible spectrum)?
Re:optical gamma rays? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think he means "seen" in the same manner as "observed" or "recorded".
Re:optical gamma rays? (Score:2)
Be glad that wasn't in our galaxy (Score:2)
Even give 2 billion years to recover, I'll bet that galaxy is just a bit thin on life.
Gamma particle? (Score:2)
Fortunately for life on earth, a gamma particle from the universe does not penetrate to the earth's surface, but if it flies past an atomic nucleus within the earth's atmosphere, the gamma particle can transform itself into an electron and its (positive) antiparticle, a positron.
Now, im in an entry level college physics course right now, and we're doing electromagentic stuff, and we jsut learned that gamma radiation is just that--ionising radiation. EM wave, no particle. What's the ar
Re:Gamma particle? (Score:2)
2001 reference (Score:5, Funny)
Time to unload some karma
In other news... (Score:2, Funny)
After decoding, it said, "Hey, Zborno, what's this button do?"
Let's hope it's not Morse code (Score:2)
Now let's hope they aren't sending us a message in Morse code. Hehe..
Re:FP (Score:1, Interesting)
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So, nothing more than 1% of this intensity has been seen before.
Re:Outdated Gamma-ray sky map (Score:1)
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Re:wave/particle duality (Score:2, Informative)
Turns out that references to gamma particles really are used quite frequently, and sometime interchangably within the same context too. Much more frequently than I would have thought.
Re:wave/particle duality (Score:1)
Daniel
Re:OH NO! How much longer... (Score:2)
I swear... (Score:4, Funny)
Thank you.
Re:Collapsing black hole? (Score:2)
That great sucking sound = my karma slowly going down