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NEAT Comet Crossing: Internet Telescopes 92

An anonymous reader writes "During a large solar coronal mass ejection, this week's NEAT Comet crossing, gave some spectacular film footage. While no comet with such a small nucleus has ever survived that kind of close solar approach (one-fourth of Mercury's orbit) without fragmenting, this one did-- and is now outward bound on its 370 century roundtrip. These new comet discoveries have filled the log files of the now 70 big robotic telescope projects, most of which are being connected to the internet. The largest ($3 M) research-class one for public use--the Hawaiian Faulkes Project--will see first light in 45 days."
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NEAT Comet Crossing: Internet Telescopes

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  • by Kaz Riprock ( 590115 ) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @07:50PM (#5362536)
    70 big robotic telescope projects, most of which are being connected to the internet

    Extra credit to the first apache/IIS hacker who points one of these directly at the sun and blows out the camera's retina.
  • by $$$$$exyGal ( 638164 ) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @08:05PM (#5362581) Homepage Journal
    In the case of the comet NEAT, the last time it would have passed through the inner solar system was 370 centuries ago (37,000 years)!

    This is obviously old news. Duh ;-).

    Does anyone have any theories as to why this comet never tore itself completely apart once it got so close to the sun?

  • by OS2_will_prevail! ( 630613 ) <(ianh) (at) (rica.net)> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @08:44PM (#5362741)
    The Hawaiian Faulkes Project telescope's servo motors ripped the telescope apart today due to an extraordinarily large amount of users trying to point the telescope at various points in the sky at the same time.

    Rumor has it that the trouble started approximately 5 minutes after a story on the telescope appeared on the website "Slashdot.org", something commonly refered to as "/.ing".

    A representative by the name of "CmdrTaco" of slashdot.org said only "No Comment" when asked about issues of liability.....
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Bow down.

      CmdrTaco has not floor tickets for Metallica.

      /maniacal laughter
  • by anagama ( 611277 ) <obamaisaneocon@nothingchanged.org> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:11PM (#5362837) Homepage
    From one of the articles:
    "Faulkes is currently trying to persuade time-pressed teachers - who are more reluctant than he envisaged - to get involved with the project."

    Reluctant teachers are the types who would keep school dull and disconnected from the real world. It is amazing how, even in adulthood, I find myself going back and actually learning things I was supposed to have learned in school. It always comes in the context of a project I may get involved with. Way back in school, when that bit of knowledge was disconnected from any real world application, I found it hard to keep my focus. When that bit of knowledge relates to my life, I find it extremely fascinating.

    In the face of such an interesting activity, "reluctant teachers" should be summarily fired.
    • a lot of this reluctance comes from the rigors of standardized testing. taking your class on a field trip takes away time needed to cram in information (and ways to manipulate multiple choice testing).

      "reluctant teachers" should be summarily fired

      after you've fired these teachers and the teachers whose classes didn't meet the testing requirements... well, there aren't any more teachers. oh well.
  • by Darwin_Frog ( 232520 ) <ahotchin AT bealinstitute DOT org> on Saturday February 22, 2003 @09:48PM (#5362951)
    I posted this story 37,000 years ago, the last time the comet came through. You'd think Taco'd get these things straight.
    • Darwin_Frog isn't the only one with screwed up math. This is from the article!

      In the case of the comet NEAT, the last time it would have passed through the inner solar system was 370 centuries ago (37,000 years)!
      • er, um, Just how long do you think a century is? -- or did you p$ units 370century years * 37000 ass math by hacking into your teacher's comptuter? (math: 420%)
        $ units 370century years
        * 37000
        / 2.7027027e-05
        I suggest that the next time you try to complain about someone else's math skills, you learn how to use a calculator first.

        (i was rather upset to find that RedHat doesn't include the units rpm in the default install I guess they won't do that until someone has a graphical front end for it -- that takes up more space than the units database.)

    • #include <stdio.h>

      /* nothing like some K&R C of a Sunday morning, is there? */

      main()
      {
      int n1, n2, n3;
      n1 = 370;
      n2 = 100;

      n3 = n1 * n2;

      printf("The answer is %d.\n", n3);
      printf("\n-Mark\n");

      }
  • by rice_burners_suck ( 243660 ) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @10:13PM (#5363016)
    No comet has ever survived this and this one has. I firmly believe that this is an omen from God... that this is the comet that will bring about Armageddon, the end of all things on Earth. This comet is now going to make an outward spiral, followed by a two left turns and four rights, immediately before performing a U-turn, after which it will begin heading towards the Earth, on a course that will bring it within 1 million miles of our planet.

    For those of you who haven't quite followed along, that was:

    • Outward spiral.
    • Left turn.
    • Left turn.
    • Right turn.
    • Right turn.
    • Right turn.
    • Right turn.
    • U-turn
    • Head towards Earth.

    Just when scientists think it has barely passed us by, it will hit a tiny speck of dust that will cause it to bounce off and head directly for some big, black asteroid that we can't see in our telescopes. This asteroid will then head directly for Earth. I believe that this asteroid is going to land right on top of Slashdot's server and we're all going to die. Not from the impact--the asteroid will be composed of styrofoam--but from the lack of Slashdot.

    I am going to begin building my comet shelter immediately, in which I'll put a big server with lots of hard drives, and I'm going to download and preserve all the knowledge of humankind from the Internet. That means using wget to store all Slashdot comments moderated at -1 or less. This is no laughing matter.

  • by Malor ( 3658 ) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @10:15PM (#5363022) Journal
    While no comet with such a small nucleus has ever survived that kind of close solar approach (one-fourth of Mercury's orbit) without fragmenting, this one did[....]

    Wow. You mean we got lucky enough to see something that hasn't happened even once in the several billion years the Solar System has been around?

    I suppose he could have said "we haven't seen anything like this happen before", but that would be so boring in comparison.

  • hmm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by C21 ( 643569 ) on Saturday February 22, 2003 @10:55PM (#5363133)
    the interesting thing about this comet was that they figured if it survived the solar radiation blasting it took from looping so close to the sun was that it would probably come out the close encounter of the sun shining brighter! What amateurs and scientists alike thought would happen was the solar radiation would blast off the outer shell and literally ignite some of the denser inner chemicals. Sort of neat, no pun intended...
  • Logic (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Splurk ( 576481 )
    no comet with such a small nucleus has ever survived that kind of close solar approach (one-fourth of Mercury's orbit) without fragmenting

    Speculation on the basis of this shrewd deduction:

    "Hmmm, I haven't seen it happen, so it has never happened!"
  • obNitpicking (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    While the astronomers seem to have triumphantly captured this unique cometary trajectory, the "astrobiology journalist" who wrote the story can't keep up with their NEATness:

    He misquotes "nothing new under the Sun" as "nothing changes under the Sun". Any terrabiologist worth his salt would quibble with his description of "[the Sun] that makes possible all life on Earth", thinking of undersea volcanic vent ecosystems, and those tiny critters apparently riddling the entire crust. And even basic arithmetic eludes him in


    "this solar observatory has such an enormous field of vision that it can take pictures extending outwards more than 13 million miles [...]. That wide-angle 'lens' spans to nearly one-tenth of the distance to the Earth (93 million miles away[...])."


    because 93/10 < 13, not > 13. Not to mention that the $10 disposable camera I shoot off at keg parties is covering an enormous field of vision, measureless even in parsecs, accounting for up to 30% of the entire Universe. And the entire distance from the Sun to the Earth can be contained in a 0' arc, when I face the Sun.

    At least he didn't speculate on how the comet held together, or I'd be complaining about how the polyacrylates in Krazy Glue have never been detected anywhere but on Earth.
  • ...is whip it round a second time so those of us that missed it can see it again! how inconsiderate. now ive missed the window for my ritual suicide and ill have to stay alive for ANOTHER 370 centuries. GOD, this solar system gives me the headaches, oy...
  • Well, since I missed it, I guess I'll have to wait ANOTHER 370 centuries. I hate it when that happens.
  • by Bas_Wijnen ( 523957 ) on Sunday February 23, 2003 @05:20AM (#5363966)

    While no comet with such a small nucleus has ever survived that kind of close solar approach (one-fourth of Mercury's orbit) without fragmenting, this one did

    In astronomy, there is something called the "Roche limit". It is the closest a object can come to another object without being torn apart (by difference in gravitational force between the part closest to the star/planet/whatever, and the part furthest away from it.) The larger the satellite, the larger the difference in force and therefore the larger this limit.

    So the answer why such a small nucleus did not get torn apart is easy: because it is so small.

    • Funny, I'd think the bigger problem would be the melting heat from the sun, not the gravitational differential. Especially when you consider that most comets are largely volatiles...
    • [T]he "Roche limit".... is the closest a object can come to another object without being torn apart.... The larger the satellite, the larger the difference in force and therefore the larger this limit.

      The Roche limit for non-rotating spherical icy bodies >40 km in diameter approaching the sun is ~1.1 billion meters, and does NOT depend on size. NEAT never got closer than 15 billion meters (according to this article [space.com]). Even if NEAT was much larger than it actually is, it was immune to tidal breakup.

  • by alanw ( 1822 ) <alan@wylie.me.uk> on Sunday February 23, 2003 @07:27AM (#5364157) Homepage
    There are a bunch of us at The Astronomy Center [astronomycentre.org.uk] in the North of England, who are building a 42 inch (1.06 metre) robotic/Internet telescope. We have finished building the 30 foot (10 metre) dome that the telescope will live in, and are half way through building the grinding machine for figuring the mirror. Lots more information on the web site above. More volunteers are always welcome.
  • by jesterzog ( 189797 ) on Sunday February 23, 2003 @07:34AM (#5364167) Journal

    It's worth pointing out that if you live south of the equator (especially New Zealand, Australia, Southern Africa, parts of South America, etc), you should be able to see the comet within a few days from now after sunset.

    It's been approaching the Sun through the northern sky until it swung around to the other side, and now it's moving away in the southern hemisphere skies. It's getting fainter every night, so by the time it's far enough from the Sun to see, it's likely you'll at least need binoculars and have to look quite carefully.

  • Did any of you take a look at the Astrobiology Headlines while you were there?
    It looked like a blink tag inside of some weird schizophrenia tag...makes my head hurt to look at it and try and read it...

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