Why Alien Species Thrive 43
planux writes "The Sacramento Bee has an interesting article about why invasive animal species thrive, pushing out native species -- sometimes to the point of extinction. Kevin Lafferty, a U.S. Geological Survey marine ecologist at the Western Ecological Research Center in Santa Barbara says "Invasive species end up with about half the parasites, or diseases, they had at home." Animals with an average of 16 parasites on their home turf typically bring about three of the parasites with them to new locations. And only about four new parasites will typically adapt to attack the invading species. Net gain: 9 fewer parasites!"
Parasites... (Score:3, Funny)
Makes sense. That's why the colonists came to America. Damned European parasites.
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Re:Parasites... (Score:2, Funny)
Good point, but I was referring to human parasites like tax collectors and religious persecutors.
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Sigh. Right again.
We need a new frontier.
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So (Score:2, Insightful)
But.. (Score:2, Funny)
If you consider all of this to still be part of Darwinism, then you can look at it from another perspective. People want to protect the environment for their own sakes. For example, they like the varied swamp plants that they have in the Northeast US and hate seeing them all wiped out and replaced with a single invasive plant, a la purple loosestrife.
Really simple concept (Score:4, Interesting)
A species new to an area has no known predators in that area. Hence, they may thrive and continue to do so until they have wiped out the population of the prey in that area. By that time overpopulation fixes itself because of a shortage in food supply. (or, think long term the development of resistence - if the given species feeds on plants, eventually they will start to taste bad to the species.
Basically, this is a built-in function of nature. It's just like life. When things are new and great you're happy, but you will adapt to your enviroment and will be bitchin about something soon - I promise.
Don't mess with nature, I suppose.Re:Complex concept (Score:5, Insightful)
A couple of examples are kudzu and zebra mussels -- they don't complain about much. Our local favorite is the Asian "tiger" mosquito. But there are serious bad effects from monoculture -- one disease can destroy everything in its path. Think Windows desktops and a nasty virus.
Nature will tend to reach an equilibrium, or oscillate wildly, or the newcomers either exterminate the old, or vice versa. There are equatios for estimating equilibrium. Only in a really catastrophic situation does shortage of food supply rein in the invader. But evolution, as opposed to natural selection, is slow, so an alien species can easily exterminate native species before they have a chance to develop defenses, even to the point of suicide. Hawaii is suffering significant losses of species diversity because of newcomers. [hear.org] It takes thousands or millions of years for a new species to develop, yet perhaps the blink of an eye to perish.
I hate seeing natural selection described as some sort of moral quest for the "best," when it's just a way of explaining natural phenomena (I'm not saying you're doing that, but lots of people do). Darwin didn't judge was was "best," just tried to predict which species would do better under given circumstances. Nature doesn't care about the outcome, or become improved as a result. Species diversity is often the preferable situation.
Maybe I'm being clueless, but I'm hazy on your relevance to "devil's weed," slang for pot (which does grow quite nicely in the wild).
Re:Complex concept (Score:2)
It takes thousands or millions of years for a new species to develop, yet perhaps the blink of an eye to perish.
Makes you wonder what could happen to humans, with just the right set of environmental/climate changes.
Re:Complex concept (Score:2)
I agree.
Take sickle cell anemia for example. It is a deadly disease, but being heterozygous (that is, having the trait, but only partially or not exhibiting it) for it makes you unsusceptible to malaria. Hence, sickle cell is common in tropical cultures. Is sickle cell a good thing, has it made nature a better place? No, and no, but it has simply continued until evolution produced immunity towards a disease. Was this because cells and our genome have minds. No it's because people that are not heterozygous sickle cell lived, and those that weren't died because of malaria.
Ah yes, that would be kudzu. I apologize in the South that is what I have often heard it called, and I could not remember the real name. On a sidenote, are you saying pot came from China?
Re:Complex concept (Score:4, Informative)
Don't ask me to connect pot and natural selection....
Sickle cell is oh-so-nasty, and even the heterozygotes show some mild symptoms. Yes, I learned the same thing sickle cell and malaria [nih.gov]. Only a fraction (8-45% by region) of Africans have the trait, so probably people with it simply survive somewhat more often. I guess it was a glitch at some point that helped, but was not do-or-die essential to survival.
Re:Complex concept (Score:3, Interesting)
The key to understanding the genetics of sickle cell is to realize that the benefit is in having one normal gene and one sickle gene. In that case you get most of the protection against malaria and little of the harm of sickle cell.
Anyone with 2 sickle cell genes tends to dies of sickle cell anemia and anyone with no sickle genes tends to die of malaria. Most survivors will have one of each gene. The problem is that a population entirely of people with one of each gene is not "stable". When they reproduce their children will be 25% double sickle cell anemic, 25% sickle-cell-free and malaria vulnerable, and 50% healthy and protected.
The greater the malaria threat the closer the population will get to 50% sickle cell genes. As the threat diminishes the percentage will shift towards zero.
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Yes, he did. (Score:2)
No, you're wrong. Modern evolutionary theory avoids talking about 'best'; Darwin certainly had no such compunctions. Here's a quote from On The Origin of Species:
Now, in the context of 'perfecting' mental endowments, read the following excerpt from The Descent of Man:
Darwin was a good scientist, but he never entirely shook off the prejudices of his day.
Re:Yes, he did. (Score:1)
Not so simple concept (Score:2, Interesting)
Of course, there are a huge number of other wrinkles to this - higher dispersive ability and more efficient resource usage due to a the new plant not devoting any energy to costly defenses, etc., but this hypothesis was by no means a sure thing - that it has borne out is really quite extraordinary, and may yield some interesting insite into top-down versus bottom-up control of species invasions.
Re:Really simple concept (Score:2)
Yes, I knew it had to do something with monopoly and all that.
Cuisine (Score:1)
Selecting for Cuisine (Score:1)
alienz r k00l (Score:1)
Exploitation, diversity and evolution. (Score:5, Interesting)
While its obvious that harsh conditions by themselves impose evolutionary pressure this does NOT promote diversity--after all that pressure only is placed on genes that govern adaptation to the environment, and even there there is generally a narrowing of the gene pool not an expansion.
No instead the diversity arises because you have left your old balanced environment and predators, and thus have LOST the finely honed evolutionary pressure on those genes. thus you can evolve semi randomly with little selective pressure, leading to diversity. Another factor leading not to diversity but to rapid differentiation is that when these new traits that have nothing to do with survival get chromosomally linked to the features that enhance a species survival in the harsh environment, they get amplified.
some people call this the poker hand effect. You dont need a royal straight flush to win. all you have to do is beat your opponents. Or to put it another way if you are trying to live in a chemical wasteplant out flow, you dont have to generate a a very good enzyme for digesting plastics, anything that is better than your competitors is good enough for now. You can evolve it more later.
this explanation is perhaps the simplest and best answer to creationists who want to insist that life is too complex a process to spring into existance fully developed (.e.g. behe's mouse trap argument). The answer is that being adaptive can beat being the best.
anyhow its interesting that a species poised to exploit an opportunity will evolve faster than one that dominates its native environment.
evolution of the nerd (Score:2)
Re:Exploitation, diversity and evolution. (Score:2)
But being adaptive is a part of the most basic life functions we observe. The creationist statement that life is too complex to spring into existance fully developed is targetted primarily at abiogenesis research. All our current knowledge does not have an accepted natural mechanism by which DNA or even RNA could come into being. They are the simplest known mechanism that provide the adaptive ability of life. Thus there still isn't any known adaptive mechanism to get to DNA/RNA. Creationists disagree with the assumption that such a mechanism exists. And our current evidence really doesn't strongly(I said strongly, so no troll/flamebait rating please) support the assumption of a naturalistic mechanism existing. I don't think this observation of adaptivity will win many arguments with creationists.
Re:Exploitation, diversity and evolution. (Score:2)
but since you brought it up let me address one small point in your comment.
Thus there still isn't any known adaptive mechanism to get to DNA/RNA.
While of course we cant say "whence dna" there are a lot of good leads at the moment. The most promising in my opinion is the growing realization is that RNA can do both the functions of DNA and Proteins. That is it is an information storage system that can replicate itself and edit itself, and it can form chemically active self-folded structures just like proteins. In fact in a perfectly benign environment its not absurd to suggest that life could be composed entirely out of RNA and small naturally available molecules.
The reason life could not currently be composed out of RNA is that its a hostile world and a lot of the precursur molecules dont exist anymore (other animals used them up). RNA is chemically unstable and easily digested. plus its reaction rates are too slow making it a lousy catylist for many activities. On the other hand in a primordial world, without hostile agents, and no competiton one has all the time in the world to wait for a slow catylist. Its the poker hand again: a pair of twos wins if everyone has has dick. thus its not unthinkable that RNA is the missing link. the fact that RNS still is the middle man speaks volumes. But we will probably never really know unless we find some alternate biospace that evolved differently (the possible discovery of nanobes in deep mines and maybe asteroids comes to mind).
Now the sentence in my discourse you keyed on ("The answer is that being adaptive can beat being the best." ) could obviously be made into a book length discussion. I probably could have chosen my words more carefully too. perhaps I should have said "being adaptive can beat being the most optimally adapted organism to a current environment". For example, if every one lives on mice then the one with the perfect irreducibly complex mouse trap may be the dominant species, but a crappy one that also floats or catches fish on out of every thousand tries might be a more adaptive but marginal species in the present environment (e.g. imagine a speer planted in the ground that requires the mouse or fish to fall on it. Not exactly irreducibly complex, but definitely adaptive. one does not need the perfect mouse trap to get started if a shift (e.g. waterworld) in environment suddenly gives you an advantage.). There are others who have actually taken behe mouse trap argument literally and shown one can infact reduce it.
but I'm getting off point here.
Re:Exploitation, diversity and evolution. (Score:2)
I have seen this happen first hand. (Score:5, Funny)
On my native network where the domiant boxen is Windows, I have found that non-indiginous boxen such as Solaris, Linux, and Mac are slowly taking over one part of my network. They often don't fall victum to the numerous virus and dipshit users. Either by design or just from complexity built into thier mutated form. I have also noticed a cross pollonation that has caused a raise in stability in our fringe windows boxes that are protected by the Alien unix and linux boxen.
It is all just nature at work, I one day hope to see all my boxeb being some kind of freakish hybrid of windows and unix/linux....or maybe the dominate boxen will take over the whole network.
Re:I have seen this happen first hand. (Score:2)
Bumper sticker: Save the BSD
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J'Original (Score:4, Informative)
Release of invasive plants from fungal and viral pathogens [nature.com] and [nature.com]
Introduced species and their missing parasites
Great argument for space colonization (Score:4, Interesting)
For a little idea of how many paraites we would bring with us just look at the Earth similar ailments that astronauts get. They rarely get sick and never get into car accidents.
It just goes to show that getting into space and staying there might not be as daangerous for the log stay as just visiting is.
Good book that deals with complex systems etc. (Score:3, Interesting)
If you have a favorite book search engine, then you might only want the details:
ISBN number: 0679425632
Title: Why things bite back: Technology and the Revenge of Unintended Consequences
Author: Edward Tenner
Publisher: Random House Canada [randomhouse.ca]
Published: May 1996
If you want, you can see it at Amazon [amazon.com], Barnes and Noble [barnesandnoble.com] and Indigo [indigo.ca].
Go read it. It's interesting.
OK, this is a stupid question, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:OK, this is a stupid question, but... (Score:2)
Chuckle. I can think of quite a few "fun experiments" that would be rather bad enviornmentally
I bet with a hundred or so nukes we could break up the entire antarctic iceshelf. You could probably throw up temporary ski resorts on the several-hundred-mile long icebergs when they drift up to the equator. Cooool!
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Can't beat the generalists (Score:1)
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Simple answer is - Most Don't (Score:2, Insightful)
An extreme example would be why don't we have dolphins here in Oklahoma? Afterall, we are surrounded on all sides by their natural environment, why haven't they invaded? They've even been actively transported into the area by humans. Why haven't they taken over? The answer is simple, they just can't live in/on the dirt. They gotta have seawater and there's just not very much available in OK.
Like I said, most don't. If you doubt the "most", just look around and count the number of species living in any particular ecosystem, then count the number of species living elsewhere and compare the numbers.
Re:Simple answer is - Most Don't (Score:2)
The rest die or just get along in the background.
Parasites (Score:1)