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More Effective Ultrasound Using Naval Sonar Tech 26

Makarand writes "With obesity levels skyrocketing in the west it is becoming necessary to find more reliable ways of effectively scanning obese patients using ultrasound especially when the organ of interest in under layers of fat resulting in poor ultrasound images. Latest advances in ultrasound are increasing the accuracy of the imaging systems by using image enhancement methods borrowed from the Navy's sonar equipment according to this BBC News article. The Navy's sonar techniques effectively double the resolution in ultrasound systems. The technology could be in hospitals within a year."
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More Effective Ultrasound Using Naval Sonar Tech

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  • by fishdan ( 569872 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:37PM (#5170381) Homepage Journal
    Who wants to tell the 450lbs woman that you are going to scan her with the sonar that a Navy ship occasionally uses to detects whales?

    • It was mine detection, actually, but the joke was great anyway.

      There are two parts to the new trick. One is to change the signal the device sends out to a broadband pulse, but the main part is the software to tease the extra information out of the echo.

      I'm picturing some British slashdotter coding away frantically while scarfing down typical programmer food, wondering if his new invention will help him in time.

      There is a bit more information on this [port.ac.uk] horribly laid-out page. I haven't found the patent application yet, maybe someone with better access to British patents can help out here. Also nothing scholarly on the web that I can find. Who did the work?

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Those critters have evolved some pretty spectacular ultrasound techniques.
  • by ObviousGuy ( 578567 ) <ObviousGuy@hotmail.com> on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:38PM (#5170392) Homepage Journal
    It's funny how a technology based on whales' object location techniques has come full circle.
  • Just imagining someone so obese that they can only have an effective ultrasound done by a Navy submarine is enough to make me squirt milk out my nose.
  • "Of course, if you start to slap 10 to 15 centimetres of fat on top of that you've..." got the makings of a damn good sandwich!
  • the day that they can use sonar to peirce the insides of planets, stars, etc. Totally unrelated, but still very interesting...
    • They've been doing that for a while. Seismic exploration is a very common technique for oil drilling and the like. You induce vibrations using explosives or something like a pile driver, and listen to the echoes.

      Also I think there have been studies done on the vibratory modes of the sun. Not quite the same thing, but related. Found a new word while googling about it- Helioseismology. Gonna have to remember that one :-)
  • Maybe... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Cyno01 ( 573917 )
    Doctors should just encourage people to lose some weight.
  • My doctor couldn't track my gall bladder until he installed the new navy sonar software and set it to scan for magma displacments.

    -

  • > Latest advances in ultrasound are increasing the accuracy of the imaging systems by using image enhancement methods borrowed from the Navy's sonar equipment

    I hope they're not using the Navy's new equipment that makes whales' heads implode.

  • That they're using ultrasound technology like this.

    The alternative might be the adaption of seismic imaging technology (looking for oil bearing strata, etc.) into the medical arena using explosive charges to send a seismic wave through the patient:)

  • ... about what this mysterious technology is, other than it's some form of signal processing. (Geez, what an advance!) And the quotes don't make me too confident that this is real:

    "This technology allows you to double the resolution of the sonar at any given distance.

    "If you're looking for a mine at 400 metres, the picture you get would be as clear as if it was 200 metres away."

    Um... wouldn't that be quadrupling the resolution?

  • because of the increase in obesity? shouldn't we be borrowing the Naval physical training regime instead of their technology?
    • because of the increase in obesity? shouldn't we be borrowing the Naval physical training regime instead of their technology?

      What's the use of technology if it doesn't let us be lazy ;-)
  • It's a surface ship sonar. They couldn't find fat on Star Jones.
  • As a grad student studying the physics of ultrasound, I wish there were more details. It sounds like this company has announced some image processing technique that improves both navy sonar and medical ultrasound. Here's a little background about how ultrasound quality decreases with depth.

    There are (at least) two issues when it comes to seeing through layers of fat: attenuation and beam spreading. Both of these are fundamental to the physics of ultrasound.

    Attenuation refers to the decrease in amplitude in the ultrasound wave as it passes through a medium. The effect is exponential with depth, so that if at some point the amplitude is 10, at some later point it is 10 e^(-a d), where d is the distance between the two points and a is the attenuation coefficient (a property of the medium). This limits how far ultrasound can penetrate in tissue since the signal can quickly get to be about the same magnitude as electronic noise.

    The other problem is beam spreading. You need a narrow "beam" of ultrasound to be able to know where an object is the field of view. The width of the beam is related to how well you know the size of the object. Just like with a flashlight, the further you are from the source, the wider the "beam". With a wider beam, you know the size of an object with less precision, hence you have less image resolution.

    Both of these are problems that could be reduced with image processing. But the company's web site is down and there are few details in the article.
  • by K-Man ( 4117 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2003 @09:48PM (#5178980)
    This article doesn't say much of anything, but I've found some interesting sonar stuff on my own before.

    One technique that is, IMHO, underappreciated, is phase-conjugate sonar. When a reflected signal is received by a network of sensors, it is played back in reverse from all the sensor locations. The time reversal causes the wavefronts from all the emitters to arrive back at the target simultaneously, creating an even stronger reflection, and probably making the target's ears ring.

    I've been thinking of using this technique for a subwoofer blaster, but I haven't gotten around to it. Maybe medical science should be given priority.

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