Geminid Meteor Shower 184
Target Practice writes "Is it an asteroid? Is it a comet? Who cares? According to Sky and Telescope's website, 3200 Phaethon has been spewing chunks into our atmosphere for the past 150 years, and tonight, after the lan party, you can step outside at two or three A.M. and see the best light show yet - topping off at 75 meteors per hour! Be there..." Space.com has another story.
Hmm (Score:3, Insightful)
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Now we have news.google.com and www.slashdot.org to tell us every last thing that happens that is of importance to dorks...
And now John Madden with the forecast.... (Score:2)
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The same meteor showers happen about the same time every year. You can go out next year in mid-december and watch the Geminids all over again.
The only difference between them is their intensity. The Leonids, for example, has a 33-year cycle of peak activity, which is why the last two have been pretty intense.
I dug up this link [amsmeteors.org] with a small primer on meteor shower in general. There's probably much better ones out there.
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For more info on astronomy applications and discussions (with a Macintosh flavor) see Scientia et Macintosh at Applelust.com [applelust.com]
Not just you... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Not just you... (Score:4, Funny)
Not to worry, our next plan's a doozy - planting a maniac at the helm of the worlds most powerful country...
Re:Not just you... (Score:2, Funny)
No dice. Already been tried dozens of times. Never works, sorry, you'll have to come up with something else.
Re:Not just you... (Score:2)
Re:Not just you... (Score:2)
[Cut to scene of UFO landing in CANADA]
What are we doing in Canada, Brain?
The same thing we do every day Pinky, trying to take over the world!
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Re:Not just you... (Score:1)
Re:Not just you... (Score:1)
Nope.
No pattern change.
No increase in meteors.
Substantial increase in media attention (at least until the next fad hits).
Trust not, those with journalism degrees.
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Re:Hmm (Score:2, Informative)
I've enjoyed the Geminids more than the Leonids, though, so go out to some dark skies and watch!
i fell for that last time (Score:5, Funny)
find some other chump.
Re:i fell for that last time (Score:2, Informative)
I guess if you haven't got any mountains nearby and live in real busy place you're pretty much stuffed.
Re:i fell for that last time (Score:3, Funny)
To see 75 meteors per hour, we explicitly said "Go out around the peak at around 2:30 am, remove all of your clothes, spread BBQ sauce across your chest, find some cute girls and cluck like a chicken."
You forgot the BBQ part, therefore no Leonids for you!
11: Thou shalt not skywatch in the WA state winter (Score:3, Informative)
Heed my warning! Else you too will spend two-and-a-half hours each way driving out past the mountain range in hopes of the 'continental divide' effect providing clearer skies than the rest of the west coast. This too is foolishness, and a chasing after the wind.
Seattlites, do not be fooled by such tools of deception like "sky reports", "radar images", "high pressure areas", and "friends calling who are near there"!
Sky reports are a fabrication of your enemy. Radar images and high pressure areas are fiction created by those who sell gasoline and coffee. Your friends are already in on the deception along with NASA. And they are at home in bed.
Stay home, young Washingtonian, and get some sleep. Lord knows it's dark enough.
-Zipwow
Re:11: Thou shalt not skywatch in the WA state win (Score:2)
Er something.
Re:i fell for that last time (Score:1)
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Well over 75 an hour (Score:2, Interesting)
We stayed out for about 2 hours. We were still seeing 1 every couple of minutes when we went back inside.
If you had your eyes open, and were looking anyplace in the sky, you couldn't help but see them.
Unless it is cloudy (Score:1, Offtopic)
Weather Accepting, of Course (Score:4, Funny)
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Early Demise for DirecTV? (Score:3, Funny)
No meteors in the Bay area (Score:3, Informative)
No meteors in the Bay area.
San Francisco and friends are getting 6-12 inches of rain this weekend. Or several feet of snow if you're in the mountains. Might be a better time to go skiing or snowboarding.
The Geminids were pretty good, last year, though.
Re:No meteors in the Bay area (Score:1)
Ha! Except that this storm is to warm for snow. It's currently about 45F in most of the Sierras, and it's raining...
3.5" today in Berkley. My basement is flooding. Good thing I fixed the roof.
1.4 yr long orbit, interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
pm
Re:1.4 yr long orbit, interesting (Score:1)
Re:1.4 yr long orbit, interesting (Score:2)
Besides, what would the connection actually be? Comets don't come from rocky bits, they're mainly ice. So you wouldn't have probably formed any cometary material in the giant impact that formed our Moon. And even if you did, it is difficult to get it onto such a highly eccentric orbit.
All in all, it doesn't seem a likely area of interet. But it's still a pretty meteor shower.
I'm no communist... (Score:1)
Re:I'm no communist... (Score:1)
But in Soviet Russia, the Meteors study YOU!
i think this joke has been done to death...please people...stop stealing jokes from FARK [fark.com]
they were not funny in the first place...leave them be
Moon (Score:4, Interesting)
The bad thing is, it's not as spectacular a show as the Leonids, all things being equal.
2am on a friday night... (Score:1)
MADD SCIENTIST SHALL REIGN AGAIN!
The weathers bad tonight! (Score:1, Informative)
IN SOVIET RUSSIA (Score:1)
Neither Asteroid nor Comet (Score:1, Funny)
the weather takes me unawares (Score:1)
Enjoy the show tonight. Think of me while you're out there.
*sniff*
No thanks... (Score:1, Troll)
So, I think it's fair to say I'll pass on this one.
Re:No thanks... (Score:1)
Okay, so I only saw perhaps a dozen meteors through two nights, but the trip was nice nonetheless. The stars were amazingly bright out there too.
Anyways, I've forgotten what my original point was, but just because it sucked last time around doesn't mean they will always suck. Unless it rains (looks out window) - shit [slashdot.org].
When you get right down to it, I guess you want to see them or you don't. Just don't rain on other people's parade. (pun - haha?)
Re:No thanks... (shorten it a bit) (Score:1)
Lets just shorten that to "First time I've ever woken up in the middle of the night" and I'd call it good to go. I too woke up early to see them, and that was the first time I can remember that I had EVER seen the sun rise and sleeping during that same night (staying up all night doesnt count)
Re:No thanks... (Score:2)
Some more info (Score:5, Informative)
As to "are there more of these?" Nope. We have had a few spectacular shows in the past few years but nothing statistically unusual or anything more then wider reporting and slightly more accurate predictions.
Usual tips apply: Get out of the city, away from parking-lot lights, hills help block glare, let your eyes adjust, remember that a clear sky is COLD, binoculars are useless for this but entertaining for looking at other things like nebula and Jupiter's moons, look up online for tips regarding astrophotography and no your camera flash won't help...
Re:Some more info (Score:1)
Luckily.. (Score:1)
Re:Some more info (Score:1)
Translation: Unless you're going to get laid afterwards, it's not worth freezing your @$$ off for.
Re:Some more info (Score:1)
20th or 21st December is mid Winter (the shortest day). Today is the 13th, so it is pretty close to mid-winter in the entire northern hemisphere.
actually...the 21st is the first day of winter
After the LAN party? (Score:5, Funny)
Two or three AM? What kind of wimpy LAN parties do you have?
Re:After the LAN party? (Score:3, Funny)
Prolly better ones then the ones where I was invited:
Mate: Hey, want to come to this lan party me and a few more people are setting up?Me: Sure, which games will there be, mainly?
Mate: Er, what? Just counterstrike of course... Maybe a few random odd games, but we're planning on this really massive counterstrike tournament where the best groups wins a few meters of beer and-
Me: I'm sorry, I can't... I have to hand in a report the day after so I need to spend time on that...
Mate: I didn't even mention a date yet
Me: I'm sure something will come in between, I'll make sure of it
Re:After the LAN party? (Score:2)
We go out side at that time just so we can beat the crap aout of each other...with boards... that have really rusty nails in them.
That was a long way to go for such a weak joke.
Peak time (Score:5, Informative)
Bastard me. (Score:2)
Wow! (Score:2)
Personally, I can't wait to get up in the middle of the night to watch this [weather.com]
Enjoy it those what can.
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And of course.... (Score:1, Troll)
Re:And of course.... (Score:2)
After last year's Leonids, it's hard to go out (Score:4, Informative)
But after last year's Leonids, where I got a 7,000/hour rate -- 2 per second for a sustained 15 minutes -- in Japan, it's hard to go out for the regular showers again, where even witha claimed rate of 75/hour you are likely to see fewer without the best conditions.
Pictures are here [templetons.com] and here for 2002 [templetons.com].
Even this year's show, which got up to 600/hour at the peak,and thus the 2nd best show in my experience, was a letdown.
Of course, I missed the 1966 show, being too young. Joe Haldeman saw it and told me it was like standing on the bridge of the Enterprise and watching the stars go by. He said for the first time he really could understand how he was standing on a planet moving in space.
But that was an estimated 70,000 per hour rate.
We won't see that again from the Leonids for about 97 years, if we see it then. It is possible another surprise show could come now that they are getting better at predicting, but I doubt it.
So yes, the past few years have shown an abundance of good shows. There was also a good Perseids show in the mid 90s, about 300/hour just after its comet went by. But the show is over for now, and I doubt the Geminids rate a
light pollution SUCKS (Score:5, Interesting)
I wish we could go back to blue, or at least redesign the orange ones so that they don't shine so much light into the sky. I remember as a kid looking up and seeing the milky way. Now I'm lucky if I manage to see Jupiter through the orange haze.
Three or four years ago, the head of the planetarium and observatory in Bradenton, FL was arrested while shooting out streetlamps near the observatory with a shotgun. I totally understand that guy. He was just fed up.
Re:light pollution SUCKStheory (Score:1, Interesting)
from my color studies, i know that blue and orange are opposite on the color wheel.
it's possible that the orange light is the most accurate....and in low lighting conditions, maybe your eye needs less of the orange light.
i think your observation about lighting pollution is flawed if you are considering the COLOR of the light to be the source. (though i'm not ruling it out).
other explations:
- shear quantity...in the past lower light levels were acceptable. current home associations and city codes may be forceing more lumens per square foot in any given situtation.
-more air polution. this could be another answer. in a city like san antonio, our air has ONLY worsened over the last 20 years. (if you are thinking about cities in california that might have a reverse trend)
-where you live now might be different then where you grew up
etcetcetc
Re:light pollution SUCKStheory (Score:1, Interesting)
not the color.
Re:light pollution SUCKS (Score:2)
I live out at the edge of civilization in soutwestern Ohio and while I get pretty dark skies, every time I try to use my telescope in the back yard, my idiot neighbors almost always end up turning on one of their fucking porch floodlights. I would like to shoot both the lights and THEM with a shotgun when they do that. Since then I've located an abandoned parking lot around what used to be a small theater where I can put the building between myself and a few of the old "blue" lights around a warehouse about half a mile away.
What I think is in a way just as bad is car headlights. Notice a lot of the new luxury cars and SUV's which have those fucking purple/blue headlights? God I hate those things! Now if there is a candidate for a good shotgunning, it is those things.
Re:light pollution SUCKS (Score:3, Informative)
The light is produced from a single transition in the Sodium atom, therefore the light is confined to a single wavelength and is trivial to filter [astronexus.com].
The light from the white lights is, obviously, spread across the spectrum and is therefore hard to filter.
Re:light pollution SUCKS (Score:4, Interesting)
Ha! More like 12 hours and then some. Have you ever tried to catch a whisp of distant nebula with an amateur telescope? It was easy to do in the 70's and is now often impossible. What a shame. It is more or less impossible to find a dark sky anywhere in the U.S. anymore. In fact, only 1 % of the US population lives under a dark sky today! [cnn.com]
Re:light pollution SUCKS (Score:2)
Driving through some of the densest areas of tract housing in the US, all you see is black silhouettes of saguaros against the desert sky. It's kind of eerie.
And of course, skywatching in Phoenix is GREAT!
It's about the only thing I actually like about that town.
It's very interesting (Score:2, Informative)
This particular shower comes to us all the way from Uranus, travelling across almost the entire galaxy just to reach earth.
It's awe-inspiring.
Re:It's very interesting (Score:2)
Dude, as an astronomer, you should know that Uranus is only almost across the entire solar system. The galaxy is a teensy bit bigger.
Dude... (Score:1)
Dude, sick.
</terrible terrible pun>
Re:It's very interesting (Score:2)
Not all meteor showers are alike, which is neat (Score:3, Interesting)
When the Earth plows through such debris patches, minuscule comet fragments burn up in the atmosphere and light up the nighttime sky.
An article I read on Netscape.com said, however, that "the Geminids are linked to 3200 Phaethon, an inner solar system object that lacks many qualities of comets in the neighborhood."
"3200 Phaethon doesn't sprout a tail when it comes close to the sun. It doesn't have a halo or a coma," is a quote from a NASA bulletin on these latest showers.
One other thing that people don't realize, though, is that weather does prohibit good viewing sometimes. It's winter in North America and many of us get snow or hail on an almost daily basis in December and January.
Maybe we could all post pictures of this as the event comes closer to starting. I'll probably have my brother in law out in Phoenix point the Web cam out the window to see if I can't catch a glimpse of some of this latest Geminid shower.
its all about consistency (Score:3, Interesting)
Meteor Showers? bleh... (Score:1)
For example, next Tuesday, Saturn will be in opposition [rasnz.org.nz]. During opposition, you'll have a chance to see Saturn's rings to the fullest.
Great! (Score:1)
Decisions Decisions. Trek or meteors..? (Score:2)
Of course, for many meteors might be a very fitting finale to the night of a trek movie.
and you hear music or voices (Score:2, Interesting)
Please don't look at the BRIGHT GREEN ones... (Score:2)
Day of the Triffids.
This will be the doomsday of our planet as we know it. Our genetically modified planlife will rise and overtake us as the meteors blind as as they activate warheads in satellites.
I'm just glad I watched Nemesis before it all ended...
does this have anything for us in Europe (Score:1)
Yesterday too? (Score:1)
Taken. (Score:1)
spewing chunks of a different kind... (Score:1)
I Hope I don't see any meteors... (Score:2)
Because its raining out, and if I can see them, we're screwed.
Re:I Hope I don't see any meteors... (Score:2)
A what? (Score:2)
Was I the only one to read that as rocket spaceship? Need coffee now... Need coffee...
Bundle up warmly? (Score:1)
Above 50F, no special precautions are needed.
Between 30 and 50, a sweater, light coat, or other provision is recommended but not required.
Between 0 and 30, a coat is recommended or required, depending on wind and one's metabolism.
Between -40 and 0, "bundle up warmly" is a damn good idea.
I've only been in -40 degree weather once, but it sucked. At that point, you don't bundle up warmly, you just try not to leave the house. Which is good, since tractors (and probably cars too) get real pissy at those temps, and want tons of ether before they'll start.
That's my "wimpy city folk" rant for the day. Thank you for your participation.
We honestly saw around 40 an hour (Score:1)
I have pictures to share (Score:2)
http://uregina.ca/~kleinjoh/images/gem2.jpg
Not linked so they aren't
I used a Canon Powershot S30 digital, ISO400 setting, 15 second, 2.8fstop, and 2 second timer with a cardboard "tripod", and warm clothes with luck.
3 A.M and Where? (Score:1)
Re:Respect the trolls! (Score:2)
I think a good troll divides the moderators passionately on both sides, causing them to expend a maximum number of points to moderate the post. Preferably, the post remains with a fairly high mod. One of my best efforts [slashdot.org] expended something like 25-30 mod points, but only stayed level 1. I've had others that burned mod points and finished at 3 or 4, but never that many mod points.
Believe it or not, I think you are actually touching on an important issue--the Slashdot moderation system is linear and that limits us. It should be possible for Slashdot users to choose to regard trolling as positive or to regard any other type of moderation as negative, positive, or weighted. Only like humor half the time? Weight Funny 0.5. Totally serious? Funny gets weighted -2.
So how about it Slashlords? How hard would it be to add a "weighted" moderation preference to our comment viewing so that we can choose to inhabit obscure corners of the N-dimensional "modspace"?
Re:Respect the trolls! (Score:2)
i like it, it's subtle. my hat is off to you, sir.
Re:Respect the trolls! (Score:1)
Re:Respect the trolls! (Score:1)
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Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
Re:remember girls? (Score:2)
You forgot... (Score:1)
Re:This is an act of war (Score:1)
> 3200 Phaethon's halfhearted attempt at mass
> destruction of all life on the face of our planet
> is bound to fail due to the fact that the meteors
> they are sending are so small that they are
> burning up on entry.
Ah, but the Phaethon King (and true master of Planet X) can very well achieve a mass extinction event if he so chooses. He did so in the past, an event called the "Permian Extinction" that wiped out 90% of life on Earth. His younger brother, Death, wiped out the dinosaurs (well the Phaethon King tried that too, but he was stopped by a time traveling moth deity). You can see from the states of Venus and Mars what he and his younger brother can really do.
> However, this doesn't excuse what can only be
> construed as an act of war.
This is mere fireworks to amuse the Phaethon King. The declaration of war was an asteroid lobbed into a Pennsylvanian corn field in the summer of 2001. This was followed by an attack by his human minions, who he duped into thinking he was their "Allah". That is why the Phaethon King is called the "King of Terror" and "The Great Devil that comes from the skies".
> 1) Adjust the Star Wars project to defend from
> extraterrestrial attack,
Earth's puny missles are no match for a god that has destroyed whole planets!
> 2) start manufacturing space-capabale war
> vessels. Once #2 is complete, we can send our
> armed forces to wipe them of the face of their
> miserable--
Space vehicles didn't do the Xians any good. However much they thought they controlled him, he still slipped from their grasp and destroyed their H2O plants for his amusement.
> wait, this is a planet we're talking about,
> right?
3200 Phaethon is either an asteroid or a dead comet. Nobody lives there to toss anything at us.
The Phaethon King, Mr. Mass Extinction Event, Destroyer of Worlds, Strongest Foe, and King of Terror is none other than Monster Zero of Planet X, King Ghidora!
If you want to defeat him, send someone to Mount Fuji in Japan. Find the bulge in Fuji's side, knock on it, and stand well back. That should give his big sister Mothra her wake up call. Tell her "the King of Terror has resurrected and is being mean again" and she will know what to do. Watch out for her wing swords though, they are very sharp!
"All we have to worry about is to slay King Ghidora."
Shouta, "Mothra 3: King Ghidora Attacks"