
Drug Companies Plan Male Contraceptive Pill 100
TamMan2000 writes "I can hear the trolls now, with their jokes about how nobody who reads slashdot will ever score... But, incase any of us ever do score the male pill could soon be a reality."
Re:fp (Score:1)
I just bet you are, buddy. Still, waiting seven years to get laid? These scientists are damn patient, I'll give them credit for that. =)
Unics? (Score:1)
The passing of an American tradition... (Score:5, Funny)
Future generations will not know this joy.
M. Jackson (Score:3, Funny)
Dunno what it is, but I read that, "as they dangle their illegitimate children in front of the media.
Michael Jackson, anyone?
Re:M. Jackson (Score:1)
"Possible side effects may include... (Score:5, Funny)
Gleemonex (Score:1)
But really, isn't the chance of some deformed (DNA-wise) sperm making it to fertilize and implant going to be higher with this? Especially in couples with only the men taking the pill and not the women?
I thought... (Score:1)
Anybody know anything more about that?
How does it work? (Score:1)
I should have included (Score:3, Informative)
Critical Data (was Re:I should have included) (Score:1)
I would recommend this [go.com] link. The critical data:
The implant would release the hormone progestin to stop production of both sperm and the male hormone testosterone. Injections of a testosterone derivative would replace natural levels of the hormone, necessary for normal sexual functioning.
Um, you first.
Re:How does it work? (Score:1, Funny)
"I'm on the pill...really." (Score:5, Insightful)
It's just that pills for men have this one little problem:
Zero Accountability.
Oh, sure, if you're using them because you're in a committed relationship and don't want your honey to get pregnant, they'd be useful as heck.
However, one of the reasons that birth control pills for women work so well is because the women taking them have a *huge* incentive to take them -- they don't want to get pregnant. So, they're much less likely to forget a dose.
On the other hand, consider a player. He may even have pills, but forget to take them. It'll be important to him, but not as present in his mind as it would in a woman's, because the effects for him are not so dire. For the player, it might rank just above flossing as a priority.
Also, imagine men saying, "Honey, it's cool, I'm on the pill." A woman has no real reason to lie and say that she's on the pill if she isn't, and if she does lie then she has to suffer the consequences.
The consequence of lying for a woman (Score:4, Insightful)
Never heard of the Jerry Springer "I want your baby and your money" Show?
There are many women who lie about using the pill for the express purpose of getting pregnant. Whether they do it for money (ODB) or for love (Jerry Springer style), they do it.
A guy who sleeps around isn't looking to have a family and would more likely to be diligent in taking the medication correctly. It's a pill in the morning, not some series of injections. It's easy for a playboy to prevent exactly those things that would hamper his playing. Except for STDs of course.
Re:The consequence of lying for a woman (Score:1)
10 kids by 9 different women
I initially read this as 9 kids by 10 different women. That's a weird thought.
Incentives to take pill. (Score:1)
Regardless of the fact that a mother has more rights over a child, both the mother and the father have equal legal responibility for a child. Men ( idiots excepted ) do not go around having sex with strange women as if the consequenses to them of getting a girl pregnent were nothing. This isn't the 1800's.
Men know that the consequences are dire if they get a woman pregnant. It could adversely affect the rest of their life. Most women are bimbos though it takes a while to figure that out sometimes. Most are too stupid to do something simple like take a pill every day. ( this is not sexist since most men are bimbos too and are also too stupid to do something simple like take a pill every day )
In our culture sex often comes before you know the person enough to trust them about something as important as birth control. At least with a male pill there will be some assurance for men that there will be no unwanted pregnancies when a woman says "Don't worry I'm on the pill"
Re:"I'm on the pill...really." (Score:3, Informative)
Re:"I'm on the pill...really." (Score:3, Insightful)
Plus, this is important because it gives guys a little more say in whether a girl gets pregnant. (If she gets pregnant by me, anyway.) A lot of people seem to think girls are the only ones who care about getting pregnant by accident, but... I'd have to live with myself, and that, for the rest of my life. Yes, it's not as terrible, but it's still pretty damn bad, and it's not something I'd like to see happen.
Male pill is actually harder. (Score:5, Insightful)
Wrong on pretty much all counts, actually.
Stopping ovulation in women is straightforward - you're trying to stop a once-a-month event, and the female body already has a shut-down mechanism built in (ovulation stops during pregnancy). The pill just triggers this mechanism (tricks the body into thinking it's pregnant).
Men are designed to produce sperm all the time. There is no built-in shut-down mechanism to trigger. You also have to stop production of *all* of the hundreds of millions of sperm cells produced between sexual encounters, as opposed to stopping just one egg from being released. A male contraceptive that eliminates 99.9% of sperm production is still useless.
And because you're trying to inhibit a function that's never normally shut down, you have to start from scratch when figuring out how to do it, and live with the fact that a male contraceptive that's 100% effective runs a real risk of causing permanent damage if not very carefully designed.
It could probably be taken as little as 24-36 hours before sex to have its effect, and it would most likely not affect hormone levels.
Hormone manipulation is just about the only way to affect sperm production. What do you think drives it? Hormones are the body's signalling system for stopping/starting body processes.
It's only now, after decades of research, that relatively safe, reasonably effective approaches to male contraception are being developed, and we have a long way to go before they're mature.
Re:Male pill is actually harder. (Score:1)
Re:Male pill is actually harder. (Score:3, Informative)
Counter-production in men, heat? (Score:2)
I believe it's also related to why you drop down in hot climate and "tuck in" in hot weather. Perhaps something that offset the temperature balance would also act as a control method? Of course, I'm not sure if those x-century men recovered after going back to normal pants, so it may still be too permanent a solution.
Re:Counter-production in men, heat? (Score:1)
Re:"I'm on the pill...really." (Score:1)
yeah, if your nuts are on overdrive.
if the pill works on the idea of stopping production of sperm, you're going to have to wait something like a month to clean out the pipes.
sorry, trying to not be too crass.
Re:"I'm on the pill...really." (Score:4, Informative)
Re:"I'm on the pill...really." (Score:3, Insightful)
I've often thought that a male pill would be perfect for me. She's on hers, I'm on mine, if each pill is indiviually 98% effective that's a much better risk factor,
Re:"I'm on the pill...really." (Score:1)
Uhm, actually...
I have a terrible time remembering to take meds in the morning. This became a problem when I was on the pill; there were several weeks when I was using condoms with the pill anyway simply because I'd missed one.
So I went for Depo-Provera this time. I don't mean to sound like an ad, but one injection every three months? If my Visor can remember it, I'm there, dude. The bonus is I don't get a period! Whoohoo!
And I will say that I don't trust a man to take a pill in the morning; how can I when, if I'm the one with the most to lose, can't remember to take a pill? No thank you, I'll handle my own contraception. If the boy wants to kick in some money to help pay for it, that's great. But if I had to remind him every morning to take a pill? I suppose I could write a cron job to email him every morning...
Hmm, scriptable boyfriends. Now there's a thought...
Yeah, and men don't? (Score:2)
The male pill would be enormously useful. Still it will be important to use condoms if not with a trusted partner, though, to prevent disease.
Old news... (Score:3, Funny)
They made a "morning after" pill for men.
It was 100% effective.
No patient who tried it ever got pregnant.
Re:Old news... (Score:1)
Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)
May I recommend the injection? (Score:2)
My girl is on it, once every 3 months she has a jab in her arse. No periods/pms to worry about, which is a big bonus since she is emotionally delicate [Those of you who have been bullied 24/7 for a few years will understand], and I'm always horny
It might not stop periods for all women though*, and I've heard some horror stories about it. I'd google some links up if I could remember the name of it. Perhaps that's why drugs have such weird names?
Ali
*She bleeds a little bit every 2 or 3 months, but nothing major. She forgot to tell me last time too. I don't mind a little bit like that on my dick, but when I... Nah, people might be eating.
Re:Depo (Score:3, Interesting)
Decades of data. No studies on the long term effects of not having a period have ever been performed, the uterine lining is supposed to be flushed regularly, no body knows what leaving it in there like that does to the long term health of the uterus.
Re:Depo (Score:1)
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Men need a valve... (Score:3, Insightful)
We should invest money is this! Big brother at it's best. Imagine how few losers would be around!
(No, I'm not serious. But i think it's funny.)
Re:May I recommend the injection? (Score:1)
That's because Depo's an appetite stimulant. It actually makes you hungrier. The pill just makes you absorb nutrients differently. I've done both, and as long as you excercise and eat the same, you don't have the bloating problem when you're on Depo that you otherwise get with the Pill.
Reversible (Score:2)
Vasectomies are entirely reversible [marinurology.com]. It can be a little tricky because the procedure is extremely delicate, and thus there isn't a 100% success rate, but it's fairly routine.
As for all that nonsense about antibodies... Are you serious? What do you think happens to sperm when you don't have sex or masturbate for a while? Pretty much the same thing as what happens when you've had a vasectomy. I've never heard of anyone becoming sterile as a result of being celibate for a while.
Re:Reversible (Score:2)
Yeah it's Depo Provera! (Score:1)
Now I remember, it's Depo Provera [depoprovera.com], a.k.a. Medroxyprogesterone Acetate.
Now here's the [possible?] added benefits: Loss of bone density [nih.gov], and Loss of hair [columbia.edu], I'm sure there's plenty of others not listen on the manufacturer's leaflet. Here's some Q+A thingy [columbia.edu], a petition [petitiononline.com], and a Wired article [wired.com].
Thankfully, my girl seems fine so far. :)
Happy bonking people!
Ali
Re:cool (Score:1)
Already exists (Score:5, Funny)
FDA (Score:2, Funny)
The FDA already approved EverQuest for Birth Control Use didnt they?
It actually works for abstinence too
Studies showed 100% of people playing everquest had no problems with impregnating women or being impregnated.
However, 100% of people playing everquest were also found to not leave their house, so that makes it hard.
Everquest Approved [thedailybull.ca]
Never score? (Score:4, Funny)
I can see the consequence... (Score:5, Funny)
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which pill? (Score:2, Funny)
Cop out (Score:4, Funny)
Please, people, be responsible.
Re:Cop out (Score:3, Funny)
Tell that to Mary. [blueletterbible.org]
Re:Cop out (Score:3, Funny)
That's one. What's the other?
Re:Cop out (Score:2)
Re:Cop out (Score:1)
The name's "Mary"... "Virgin Mary"
Re:Cop out (Score:2)
Laughter...
It's about time! (Score:2)
Hell, it may just come down to the fact that most pharm researchers are men, and that there is some curious idea men have that they're somehow less masculine if they don't have a high sperm count. Silly. I for one wouldn't mind it one bit, unless I was trying to concieve. However, most men aren't almost trying to concieve most of the time, so guys: get over it.
All the same, I'm really glad someone took the initiative to do more than some prototype work on a contraceptive pill for men. I hope it makes it to market.
But I can't help but wonder... does it fuck with your emotions and hormonal balance in the ways the pill, Norplant and Depo do to women? No matter how much drug companies may try to ignore this, every woman I've known that has gone on the pill or Norplant (never known a depo user) had an absolutely hellish time while her body got used to it- 2-month long periods, unnatural mood swings, huge increases in acne, weight or fatigue; no wonder the decidedly male business of drug development hasn't bothered to find a contraceptive drug for men.
Re:It's about time! (Score:2)
You mean except for the side effects of steroids on the original shot, and the fact that the new pill is progestin. Oh goodie. See many women taking testosterone? Nice rant, no substance. Besides, my SO would rather wear a bulletproof vest than trust that the chamber was empty.
Re:It's about time! (Score:3, Insightful)
Excuse me? Stopping sperm production is non-trivial. There is no natural mechanism for stopping sperm production, like there is for egg production. Doing it with drugs has generally required something like large doses of Testosterone, which has serious side effects and isn't consistent enough for practical purposes.
Stopping egg production, on the other hand, is relatively simple, and there are various natural mechanisms in place for doing so, such as pregnancy and excessively low body fat. Low body fat is obviously a difficult thing to maintain, especially at the level where it effects fertility, and again it isn't consistent enough to be considered effective. Pregnancy, however, is very consistent, even across the animal kingdom. I don't know of a single creature that is fertile during pregnancy.
This consistency, and the fact that it is a natural mechanism, is why there are birth control pills for women; because it's easy, not because of some aleged (imagined, IMO) prejudice that birth control is a woman's responsibility. It is a fairly simple thing to mess with a woman's biochemistry and make her body think it's pregnant, which is exactly what every birth control pill, shot, or implant does (and if you think women get side-effects from those, just wait until you have to deal with an actual pregnant woman on a daily basis!)
does it fuck with your emotions and hormonal balance in the ways the pill, Norplant and Depo do to women?
Of course it does, they only question is how much. There's no way it could work without messing with your hormonal balance, and there's no way your hormones are going to get messed with without having emotional and physical side-effects. The trick will be the same as it has been for female birth control; balancing effectiveness against side effects (dosage), and trading off more annoying side-effects for less annoying ones (formula).
Re:It's about time! (Score:1)
YEEP! Who the hell do you know?!
I'm currently on Depo-Provera and was previously on the Pill (Norplant is yicky). Haven't had one emotional problem yet. I usually lose weight when I'm on birth control because I'm doing more aerobic exercise (ie, lots of sex). If the women you know are having that many problems, they should talk to their doctor and ask what the fuck they just put in their bodies.
The only time I ever had a problem physically while using hormonal contraception was when I was on the Pill and my mother came to visit while she was menopausing. It took my period four months to come off the two-week, um, period with which it was occurring.
That's silly... (Score:2, Funny)
I would not use the male pill.. (Score:2)
Until it becomes well tested (like 20+ years of use by the general population with KNOWN RISKS mapped out), I will steer clear of this and look for other methods.
Just my two cents.
Re:I would not use the male pill.. (Score:2)
Carefull! (Score:2)
"Soon" == seven years (Score:3, Informative)
Re:"Soon" == seven years (Score:1)
"A male contraceptive! I'm gonna be geeky and be the first one on the block to get some of these. w00t! I'll score all the time! Sure, baby, it's cool, my pipes are dry!"
In medical terms, it is... (Score:2)
For myself, I'd find 15 years a short time to test something before I go swallowing a pill, or jamming a needle in my leg, no knowing the long-term side-effects.
won't work (Score:2)
I'm waiting for.... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I'm waiting for.... (Score:2, Funny)
Well (Score:1)
male pill (Score:5, Funny)
Q: How was the male contraceptive pill created?
A: As with most revolutionary discoveries, entirely by accident! A patient involved in a double blind clinical trial for an entirely different product somehow managed to cram a placebo pill into his urethra.
Q: How does it work?
A: The pill, or, more accurately, "penile plunger," as it has been technically termed, temporarily obstructs the outlet of the urethra. As a result, the patient is rendered infertile for a full 6 hours, after which time the pill dissolves and dislodges harmlessy.
Q: Are there any side effects that I should know about?
A: Being a purely mechanical devide, the male contraceptive pill has very few side effects to worry about. Acute pain and a kidney-stone-like sensation are common. Additionally, patients are advised not to drink prior to or during use of the male pill, due to a slight risk of bladder explosion.
This isn't the pill I was thinking of (Score:2)
What about the battery? (Score:1)
I have read about a small, watch-battery like device being implanted into a women's nether regions and killing sperm with a small current as they pass by.
Lasts for a few years before the battery dies, apparently.
Couldn't they implant something like this somewhere along a guy's plumbing? Sure, it's minor surgery, but it's not permanent, reversable, and lasts years.
Just a thought.
Re:What about the battery? (Score:2)
Re:What about the battery? (Score:1)
Good News (Score:2, Insightful)
I've said it before, and i'll say it again...
Abortion doctors are america's greatest heroes.
Re:Posting for all to read this AC post (Score:1)
6 months later and we're both very depressed over the loss of a human life (no matter how small).. Every time I hear a joke about abortion or dead babies it crushes me.
Did we make the wrong decision? Neither of us were ready, but I feel as though I will have this on my soul for the rest of my life (and possibly beyond).
I don't want to leave this open-ended, but there's no easy way to forget.
Re:Good News (Score:1)
Oh, and you realize, of course, that if you take your opening statement to its logical conclusion then any sort of mass-murderer would be a hero in your book.
If this is your attempt at a joke (and a pathetic attempt at that--the worst sin of a joke made in poor taste is for it not to be funny) then please ignore my preaching. OTOH, perhaps you're an extreme pro-lifer satirizing the view of pro-choicers? If so, keep in mind my comment about jokes made in poor taste.
Re:Good News (Score:2)
where's the market? (Score:1)
If you're done having babies, it's much easier to have a vascectomy.
Who is going to choose to continuously pay for something that does who knows what to your body? It's stupid.
Re:where's the market? (Score:2)
There's room for a Darwin award somewhere here... (Score:1)
The Male Pill (Score:1)