Galileo's Flyby of Almathea 169
An anonymous reader writes "The spectacular Galileo flybys of Jupiter, Europa and Io are largely credited with the discovery of frozen water ice and some of the earliest examples of non-solar (tidal) heating anywhere in our solar system. For the next 10 days, Galileo scientists are preparing for their next target: probing one of Jupiter's moons, Almathea, at the close-up range of 100 miles. Almathea is one of the most unusual moons in the solar system, because it gives off more heat than it receives from the Sun."
frozen water ice? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:frozen water ice? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:frozen water ice? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:frozen water ice? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:How about Vanilla Ice? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:frozen water ice? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:frozen water ice? (Score:2, Informative)
"dry ice" is marketing term and has NOTHING to do with physics.
Indeed, I tried to stay on the same colloquial level as the previous poster. But I happen to be a space scientist with a Ph.D. in physics, and my field of study is, surprisingly enough, comets. And when planetary scientists discuss these things, they say water ice, methane ice, CO2 ice, et.c., to make it clear what they are talking about, since, as I said, all volatiles in solid form are called ices.
Re:frozen water ice? (Score:2)
Re:frozen water ice? (Score:1)
I think they were talking about italian water ice. [ritasice.com]
Gives out more heat that it recieves. (Score:5, Funny)
Yes i know there are other explainations
Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. (Score:5, Informative)
Jupiter is by far the most interesting planet (with it's moons) to me, other than the Earth. More information as well as pictures can be found on NASA's site [nasa.gov] for the planet itself.
Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyway, to my point, perhaps the same applies to Amalthea?
Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. (Score:2)
Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. (Score:3, Insightful)
IIRC Io being heated is part of an interaction with the other Jovian moons. What happens is that a moon generating tides also transfers energy to the moon, so that it moves away from the planet it orbits. This is what happens here on Earth.
With Io the interaction of the other large moons keeps in in orbit, so the energy shows up as vulcanism.
Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. (Score:2)
In an absolute sense, it's quite big: its size is similar to that of the biggest Jupiter satellites (Io, Europa, Ganimede, Callisto).
In the solar systems, there are over 50 moons, and our Moon is in the top 5 or so.
Requisite Star Wars quote (Score:2, Funny)
Almathea must be overclocked (Score:3, Funny)
I'm a little Confused (Score:3, Funny)
Boy you sure learn something new everyday reading Slashdot!
Re:I'm a little Confused (Score:5, Funny)
heat generator (Score:5, Funny)
And NASA releases a picture of the Intel Inside logo on the surface...
Re:heat generator (Score:2)
AMD, surely...
Re:heat generator (Score:1)
Re:heat generator (Score:2)
what are they hoping to find? (Score:4, Funny)
or maybe the worlds biggest overclocked processor.
I can't think of any other reasonable theory to account for this moon radiating so much heat.
Re:what are they hoping to find? (Score:3, Funny)
Perhaps the 65,000 processors in IBM's new computer [slashdot.org]?
Re:what are they hoping to find? (Score:3, Funny)
Doesn't Io's volcanic activity come from jupiter's pull?
That would be my first guess...
That or the monolith [imdb.com] left the hot plate pluged in...
Earth has Moon Envy (Score:5, Funny)
I mean, that's the only explanation I can come up with. Ours just...you know, sits there. We go there once, get bored and come back. So we spend our time looking at other planets' moons instead of making it back to ours. I mean really. Give our moon some lubbin'!
Re:Earth has Moon Envy (Score:4, Interesting)
It's not the number, it's the size, baby.
(And in seriousness, there's a fair number of theories that think life would not have come about without the large tides raised by the moon.)
Nice rendered pictures (Score:5, Informative)
For those of us who aren't very much at home in astronomy and it's terms and who just want to see (relatively) pretty pictures; Celestia [sourceforge.net] also has Almathea available for your viewing pleasure, along with allot of different stuff in our solar system and even beyond there. Besides, it's a pretty proggy... :)
Re:Nice rendered pictures -- Links! (Score:2, Interesting)
Almathea? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Almathea? (Score:1)
It's Amalthea, stupid (Score:1, Flamebait)
But come on, all the poster had to do right is to cut-n-paste it from the article: Amalthea.
Re:Almathea? (Score:1)
I'm really glad that I wasn't the only one that thought of that...
Shift the focus already (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Shift the focus already (Score:1)
It's not distant at all - in the same solar system, roughly a light-hour away. How close do you need it?
Re:Shift the focus already (Score:3, Insightful)
Think and read before we post people!
Re:Shift the focus already (Score:5, Insightful)
While I strongly support looking for close in objects, it's not like it's an either/or situation. The world has lots of astronomers (and other kinds of scientists as well). We also have resources sufficient to do research into a wide variety of astronomical phenomena.
Those of us who have actually done some political work in support of looking for earth approaching asteroids only ask for a few millions of dollars to finance such work. Focusing all of our attention on nearby objects would be foolish and wasteful in the extreme.
For those looking for Earth like planets... (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, I needed that rant.
Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... (Score:4, Informative)
We are ignorant when it comes to life. What exactly is life? We only know what life is within our world.
Astronomers get excited at the fact that we can find water on Mars and Europa, meaning they could have life, because our knowledge of life involves water. But, as far as we know, there could be life on the moon, we just aren't looking for it correctly.
If (or when, depending on your philosophy) we find extraterrestrial life, it will be when we aren't looking for it, IMHO.
Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... (Score:3, Interesting)
Isn't this why there are plans to retrieve some of the upper atmosphere of Venus? There have been several articles on
BTW: I doubt you're going to find water on a planet as hot as Venus
This is why I REALLY hope there is life on Venus
But it would definately be cooler if we found something a bit more advanced than floating bacteria on Almathea, Europa or IO.
If there was life that was slightly more advanced, it is only a matter of time before someone from N*Sync will want to take a field trip out there
Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... (Score:2)
Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... (Score:5, Informative)
If you are ranting about the "rare earth hypothesis" [amazon.com] you should remember that the authors believe that life is MUCH more common than was previously believed. However they believe that advanced life and advanced civilizations are MUCH rarer than previously believed and do require conditions substantially similar to earths. Even you own post basically makes some of the same assumptions - you see the heat from this moon as promising because that heat is one of the prerequisites for life, the rare earth hypothesis adds additional prerequisites which must be present for *advanced* life. There are those that simply assume without thinking that life must evolve on a planet substantially similar to earth. The rare earth hypothesis arrived at pretty much the same conclusion through serious thought on the subject. They may be wrong (we simply don't have enough data) but their reasoning is sound and not based on simple prejudice or ignorance.
Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:5, Insightful)
Cheers!
Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:5, Funny)
Well, I think I speak (type?) for all of us here - did you, in fact, get some?
Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:4, Funny)
I think so.
Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:1)
Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:1)
Well, it sounds promising so far...
The thought that there was nothing (well, almost nothing) in between me and those huge, huge objects that were so very far away still sends tingling down my spine whenever I think about it.
Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:2)
Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:5, Funny)
You're talking 'bout the girl now right?
Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:2)
Then tears come to my eyes...
For I know that despite all of this, despite the facts, despite the wonder, despite the possibilities - the majority of humans do not care one way or the other about it. They would rather war, rape, pillage, and plunder to death a world which currently is the only one we have - yet they seem unable to grasp this simple concept. These same humans continue to believe in the idea of an invisible being "in the sky", a being who apparently hates other invisible beings, who insists that those invisible beings be destroyed, along with those who believe in that being, or don't believe in his being. Yet these same humans consider such concepts as the "easter bunny" and "santa claus" to be fantasy imaginings of children's fairytales.
These people continually fight, some for their invisible men, most for more space - when with a little solidarity, and the realization that humans really do only get one life, and that death shouldn't be feared (do those who fear the consequences of a fictional afterlife wonder what came before their birth - also, if they don't remember what came before, what logic says they will know what comes after?), and that by there only being one life per each living thing, makes that life ALL THE MORE PRECIOUS. This logic doesn't destroy morality, but affirms it in a great way. With this realisation, working together to explore all of these other worlds would expand the space available for mankind, while furthering our wonder and the workings of the universe. Why does it seem so few can get these rather simple concepts?
Perhaps we really are nothing more than "advanced animals", and really don't deserve all of what is out there..
Re:Looking at Jupiter and its moons (Score:2)
Dammit!
heat (Score:1, Interesting)
Monolith? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Monolith? (Score:2)
Re:Monolith? (Score:2)
Re:Monolith? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Monolith? (Score:2)
Re:Monolith? (Score:2)
Wrong system. You'll have to look at what's in orbit around Saturn. It doesn't teleport to the Jovian system until Kubrick gets involved, and since he's now dead...
Re:Monolith? (Score:2)
The sad thing is we'll never know, because for want of $100,000 - or rather, because of a bureaucratic culture at NASA - we won't be taking any pictures as we fly by it at 100 km range.
So for anyone that wondered exactly what's in that red stuff that Io's splattered all over Amalthea's surface over the past few million years, tough. Wait for the next Jupiter probe. What's another 20-30 years, huh? But at least we've got a useless space station in a useless orbit!
Almathea? (Score:3, Funny)
No problem, guv. These other moons look much more interesting.
Kierthos
Re:Almathea? (Score:2, Informative)
Stupid moderators (Score:1)
Re:Almathea? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Almathea? (Score:2)
All these worlds are yours
Except Europa
Attempt no landing there
Use them together
Use them in peace
Re:Almathea? (Score:2)
Re:Almathea? (Score:5, Funny)
All these moon are belong to you.
Except Europa. Europa are belong to us.
You have no chance to survive, make your time.
Move "Discovery"! For great monolith!
Hmm, I think must've seen the Japanese translation...
Re:Almathea? (Score:2)
AmaLthea, not ALmathea (Score:5, Informative)
Where are your classics!?
She was the goat that nurtured baby Zeus = Jupiter!
Earth Mark 2 (Score:2)
Oh wait, that's Magrathea...
Amalthea (Score:5, Informative)
It says so on the JPL's website.
Also Amalthea was a nymph that nursed Jupiter in mythology. This fits in with the naming of the other moons.
It looks like it was only misspelled once on the astrobio site which may be the cause of the confusion.
More than just little green men. (Score:3, Interesting)
In the future as we attempt to colonize anything other than earth, we might find it's a bit chilly out there. Generating long-term, sustaining heat on a planetary scale without a nearby sun would be a feat indeed! Through closer study we may learn how to artificially introduce these systems to climates that are less hospitable.
Re:More than just little green men. (Score:2, Informative)
When we're capable of artificially introducing something like that into a planet most likely, we're capable of building our own (planets, that is
Reminds me of... (Score:3, Funny)
Funny. My girl does the same thing during the more active cycles.
Re:Reminds me of... (Score:1)
Just for a minute now... (Score:3, Interesting)
That would render all that debating about economy, sadam, snipers and all that stuff irrelevant, wouldn't it?
Funny to imagine. Things shure would change. For a while that is.
*sigh* Gotta get that code done...
Re:Just for a minute now... (Score:1)
Leaves me feeling depressed... (Score:5, Interesting)
Probes are the way to go, its just a pity that for every one sent few manage to survive the trip, the payoff is so great.
Re:Leaves me feeling depressed... (Score:4, Insightful)
It's disappointing, sure, but even had the arial been fully deployed, we wouldn't have significantly greater resolution, and might not see substantially more detail of Europa's surface. Also, the change in mission priorities might (?) have meant fewer resources spent on magnetometric observations. Events don't seem to change frequently enough on Europa's surface that a few missing frames would have changed our view much.
(Contrast with Io! What if we'd missed that eruption?)
aerial (Score:2)
New Horizons (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Leaves me feeling depressed... (Score:3, Informative)
Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating (Score:5, Informative)
The moon's heating is accounted for by tidal forces - Jupiter is just so flippin' MASSIVE that it's gravity stretches and squeezes the moon, and these tidal forces make it heat up.
The surface of Amalthea (sp.?) will be interesting to look at. I think it will have pronounced cracks on the surface where aeons of tidal forces have had their way.
Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating (Score:2)
Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating (Score:5, Informative)
This parses to "Jupiter is hot because it is hot."
You're correct that Jupiter's core is not hot enough for nuclear reactions (core temperature is about 20,000 K).
Just to clarify, Jupiter gives off more heat than it receives because it is still collapsing! Sounds incredible, but the "heavier" elements are still slowly settling out toward its core. As they do, they release gravitational potential energy in the form of heat. This settling process must be incredibly slow, since it's presumably been happening steadily for the past 4.6 Gyr; the fact that it still produces a significant amount of heat demonstrates how damn BIG Jupiter is.
See SEDS.org [seds.org] for more information (about halfway down the page, right after the section on the Great Red Spot).
Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating (Score:2)
I think you mean "in" towards its core. It wouldn't release potential energy if the heavier elements were travelling up.
Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating (Score:3, Insightful)
And that makes it "actually a star" how, exactly?
You pretty much just gave the definition for why it isn't a star.
Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating (Score:3, Informative)
For nuclear fusion to start you need about 80 times the mass of Jupiter. (and that would be a really really tiny star. Our one is about 1000 times jupiter, and it's only average).
when does Galileo retire? (Score:3, Interesting)
It's *Amalthea* (Score:4, Informative)
Sorry to pick nits, but the name is Amalthea (ah-mal-THEH-ah), it means "the Goddess Amal" (IIRC a Babylonian name for Astarte, the Moon goddess). She was the goat that nursed Jupiter (Zeus, actually) in Mount Ida, and whose horn the baby god pulled with his mighty force while playing with her. That horn is called the Cornucopia, or the Horn of Plenty, after Jupiter, ashamed at his own clumsiness, bestowed that gift on the goat as an apology.
Spacecraft dimensions (Score:4, Informative)
Dimensions: The length of the spacecraft is 9 m and, with the high-gain antenna (HGA) deployed, is 4.6 m in diameter.
Ha! That's great! Except that the high-gain antenna failed to deploy [google.com]. Fortunately, with some spacecraft reprogramming, Galileo will still acheive about 70% of its original science goals using the low-gain antenna.
Re:Spacecraft dimensions (Score:1)
Re:Spacecraft dimensions (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Spacecraft dimensions (Score:2)
That 70% is kind of a fuzzy number. Who knows what they would have discovered if the antennas worked as planned? It is true that most instruments were able to be used at nearly their full potential because they generate low-bandwidth data sets to begin with. However, high-bandwidth consuming studies, such as close-up "movies" of Jupiter's weather patterns may have told us a lot about Jupiter.
And with less compression needed on photos, we may have had clearer (more enhance-able) pictures of say Europa. But it is true that they got nice data from most instruments regardless of bandwidth problems.
Antennas and instrument booms have a history of deployment problems on probes. One of the Voyagers had an instrument boom would not lock into place, ruining some gas giant moon cose-ups. A Viking had a seismometer (sp?) that would not work because a springed latch would not jog. Perhaps they should include a long lite robotic arm that can be remotely told what to push on or poke at. IOW, a way to emulate the famous hammer tap to a farky gizmo.
It seems like moving parts don't like to move in space for some reason. The wide tempurature and pressure variations during the trip perhaps damage lubricants [1]. They can't get rid of all of the moving parts because launch packaging constraints often require "pop-up" equipment.
[1] Galileo had to sit in storage for a while due to the launch backlog from the Challenger explosion. Some think that the sitting caused the antenna joint libricant to harden.
Mr. Armchair Science butts in. (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, Triton (Neptune's largest) does, too, IIRC. All the gas giants do as well.
In Amalthea's case (as well as Europa and Io), the moon is constantly being contracted and stretched by Jupiter's gravity, and those tidal forces generate heat in the moon's core. You can duplicate this effect by squeezing a piece of styrofoam in your hand and feeling it heat up.
Of course, all the gas giants have internal heat sources due to the immense gravity in their highly contracted solid cores. Neptune gives off way more heat and light than it receives from the Sun.
A sneak peak at Almathea (Score:5, Informative)
Frozen Ice? (Score:2)
Re:Guide? (Score:1, Interesting)