First Man To Mars? 145
An anonymous reader writes "Lee Goldberg posted this story which he says is "...the true story of how I sent the first interplanetary necro-cosmonaut to Mars." An entertaining read."
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A boss with no humor is like a job that's no fun.
They should send Bill Gates to Mars (Score:4, Funny)
You forgot to add (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:They should send Bill Gates to Mars (Score:2)
No - we really want him to get there...
This is cool (Score:4, Insightful)
How serious is this article? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:5, Insightful)
ashes (Score:2, Insightful)
This was only meant to be an orbital probe, so presumably it shouldn't matter. But orbits decay, and accidents happen.
The big issue with keeping Earthly contamination away from Mars is so that we can *know* what we truly find there is native, if we find something.
Re:ashes (Score:2, Interesting)
The author also says he omitted a few things from his story. It's possible one of the things he omitted was the sterilization of the ashes.
sterilization (Score:1)
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:3, Insightful)
NASA is considering a plan to crash Galileo at the end of its mission into Jupiter to avoid the possibility of the satellite contaminating possible life on Europa. (July 4, 2000) Nasa Probes Crashing Explorer [wired.com]
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:1)
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:2, Funny)
According to the article, he was already quite crispy. Or would that be the equivalent of doulbe-flame broiling?
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:1)
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:3, Informative)
Plunder huh? (Score:1)
Re:Plunder huh? (Score:1)
Re:Plunder huh? (Score:1)
Re:Plunder huh? (Score:1)
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:1)
However... in 1976, they Viking landers were the first to do an in-depth analysis of life on Mars (or perhaps, lack thereof). NASA`s chief wanted to be absolutely certain that they craft did not detect Earth-borne bacteria that had simply hitchhiked along with the Viking landers, so he had the nosecones (where the landers were placed on the launchpad) heated to 350 degrees F to kill any bacteria onboard, without frying the craft's equipment.
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:1)
Re:How serious is this article? (Score:1)
How to Start an Urban Myth. (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Use an existing, well established "link story" that everyone knows is true. Insects bite people. Bill Gates talks about computers. People have had their ashes taken up on the Space Shuttle.
2. Put a "twist" in the tale that makes the average listener smile, and raise their eyebrows. Some insects lay things in you when they bite [snopes.com]. Bill Gates said we'll only ever need 640K [urbanlegends.com]. Ashes don't only go on the shuttle (link left as an exercise for the reader).
3. Get a website. These days this is free (as in beer).
Ah bugger the lesson, I think you lot saw my point 4 paragraphs ago. I'll be happy to wager with anyone on how long it takes before this is credibly and totally debunked. I'm betting 72 hours.
'640K RAM is enough for anyone' (Score:3, Insightful)
('Never' added, as implied on the supplied link to urbanlegends.com).
Of course Bill Gates has an excellent memory [nwsource.com] and never tells any lies.
Re:'640K RAM is enough for anyone' (Score:5, Funny)
Well, even if we assume that Bill is right on this one, and that he never claimed 640K would be enough, at least there's evidence for my personal favourite Bill Gates quote, as shown in this interview with Herman Hauser:
Re:'640K RAM is enough for anyone' (Score:2)
Re:How to Start an Urban Myth. (Score:2)
Re:How to Start an Urban Myth. (Score:1)
Some insects DO lay things in you when they bite. (Score:1)
I'm REALLY NOT making this up. Notice that the snopes.com article talks about SPIDERS crawling out of womens' cheeks, not other bugs. Check out the section under "Warble(s)" here [roanokewildlife.org], for instance.
Re:How to Start an Urban Myth. (Score:1)
Re:How to Start an Urban Myth. (Score:2)
He has made clear to me things that were not clear in the original link - far better explaining the motives behind the actions of the team. Motives which were the primary reason why I came out so strongly for "myth". He understands my objections, and I believe I understand his actions.
To quote and slightly paraphrase the less-than-perfect adaption of Carl Sagan's classic book: "I, for one, believe him."
Slightly glad I didn't take any bets! :)
Ira's revenge (Score:3, Funny)
Re:he's also (Score:3, Funny)
He has to land on a piece of machinery owned by another country sitting on Mars to be an illegal immigrant.
Though anywhere he lands on Mars he'll be an alien.
Re:he's also (Score:2)
Wow, and I always wondered why all those aliens on scifi shows looked so humanoid...
Still have some doubt (Score:2, Insightful)
I bo longer believe in Santa, Little Folks, Faeries or martians why sould I believe in stuff just because there was something in the internet.
Re:Still have some doubt (Score:2)
Maran
Re:Still have some doubt (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Still have some doubt (Score:2)
Google turns up exactly one link to "blue solothane". (At least until it gets to index this article.) Guess which one. It also turns up exactly one link to "blue solithane [inspections.nl]".
Looking for more info on Solithane, I find that it is a urethane polymer, commonly used as a conformal coating on printed circuit boards. Solithane 113 is pale yellow with a clear catalyst (castor oil). Some variations do include flourescent brighteners, so it is not impossible that there could indeed be a blue version.
Re:Still have some doubt (Score:1)
But, it's still sol*i*thane, and if the guy worked anywhere near s/c assembly folk, he would have known that.
Plus, it's really not nice stuff. I have had the displeasure of using it on flight hardware, and it's "fume cupboard and gloves time" to mix and apply it. Carcinogenic, mutagenic, and chock full of nasty solvents, but it's tough, low out-gassing, and qualified for flight.
Nuff said.
Re:Still have some doubt (Score:1)
Re:Still have some doubt (Score:1)
> mentioned by an earlier poster
>- I'd have left the damned stuff in the freezer where it belonged
Darned right. The non-ester component is solvated with toluene-diisocyante (TDI) at low mixing fractions, which, for a small number of individuals leads to sensitisation and they are then sensitive to this stuff (blotches, rash, etc) at vanishingly low levels thereafter.
Moral? Check the hazmat documents, and don't tell anyone at COSPAR (the bioload of ash kept in a drawer in a vitamin bottle is almost certainly not zero)
Re:So he is the reason... (Score:1)
I, like other posters before me, does not really believe the story, but I guess you do, and therefore doesn't quite get my original post! .K
I can't wait to see the poll here (Score:1, Funny)
1. Osama bin Laden should be nuked all the way there
2. George W. Bush - no more stupid quotes
3. Michael Jackson is not of this earth
4. CowboyNeal - phone home
Go IRA? (Score:4, Funny)
You may not want to wear those next time you visit Belfast... Not unless you happen to have any sort of attachment to your kneecaps.
Re:Go IRA? (Score:2)
Oh grow up. Nobody jumps into a higher class by winning a spelling bee.
Anybody else sick of people complaining about spelling/gram,ar errors? Here's a hint: All of us that post on Slashdot are human. That means we make mistakes. It also means that our fancy-ass neural network brains are capable of understanding error-riddled comments.
Re:Go IRA? (Score:2)
It's silly to get all bent out of shape when the message got through. It's certainly not a mesaure of intellect. Grammar does not a point affect.
Wow (Score:1, Funny)
necro (Score:1)
Now where do I find those goblins on the mars map...
I propose... (Score:1)
Viking I too... (Score:2, Troll)
Not only the first Necro-cosmonaut (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Not only the first Necro-cosmonaut (Score:3, Funny)
If puns are outlawed, only outlaws will carry puns...
Re:Not only the first Necro-cosmonaut (Score:2, Insightful)
I suggest:
America: Home of the people formerly known as free
Re:Not only the first Necro-cosmonaut (Score:2)
I like the response itself.
I really like the fact that someone moderated your response as "Insightful"
Dead is dead (Score:1)
Bah! (Score:2, Insightful)
Reading stuff like this kinda pisses me off because I would very much like to see man get to Mars in my lifetime. It's hard enough to muster public support for space programs these days.
Of course, this whole rant is moot if it is, indeed, an urban myth...
What about Calvin and Hobbes? (Score:1)
Wow (Score:1, Funny)
your molecules may have gone much further... (Score:1)
Regarding Lee Goldberg (Score:2)
http://www.chipcenter.com/networking/goldberg_bio
Cost savings (Score:2)
Unverifiable (Score:1)
Circumstantial evidence (Score:1)
Corroborating evidence: If someone posts the first line off the back of one of the MO Launch Team tee shirts, I'll post the second. (Which proves I know something about the internals of the MO project, not that Ira is in solar orbit presently.)
- pdmoderator
Re:zero posts (Score:1)
full text of article (Score:2, Informative)
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Go Ira! - The real story* behind the first man to Mars
By Technician X
Although the late astrogeologist Eugene Shoemaker is supposed to be the first Earthling to have their ashes flown to another planet, his
1999 flight to the moon aboard the Lunar Prospector probe came too late to enjoy that distinction. Certainly Dr. Shoemaker, whose
pioneering work that made the Apollo Lunar geo-science program such a success, certainly deserved to have his dream of going to the
moon fulfilled. He is not, however, the first interplanetary necro-cosmonaut, thanks to a chain of unlikely events that placed the ashes of
my friend, Ira Neal, on a Mars-bound trajectory back in 1992. Although circumstances prevented him from actually entering Mars orbit,
Ira, or at least a portion of his ashes, is to my knowledge, the first person to leave Earth orbit, and certainly the first to visit the Red
Planet.
Ira and I were introduced by a mutual friend somewhere around 1981 and became fast friends almost immediately. He was a large,
soft-spoken guy, about 10 years my senior, whose heavyset build and bushy beard caused him to look very much like the older brother I
never had. In fact, we looked enough alike that we often amused ourselves by posing as brothers in the restaurants, bars, and other
haunts we frequented. Our similar technical backgrounds and a love of good times made it easy to talk about the things that were
important to us, and it created a safe haven of friendship that sheltered us from the tough realities of our jobs, relationships, and life
circumstances.
During most of the time I knew him, Ira was working as a troubleshooter at Commodore Computer, an early manufacturer of low-cost PCs.
Over the same period, I knocked around through a couple of jobs and ended up building spacecraft for GE out in Hightstown, NJ. We
were both fascinated by each other's work and managed to sneak each other into our respective factories for unofficial tours. I still
remember Ira's eyes getting big, just as mine had the first time, when we zipped up our cleanroom suits and took a close-up look at the
communications satellite I was working on at the time.
Over the years, we hung out together and got to know each other as we spent the odd Friday night out and helped each other out with
various projects and schemes. We shared as much as most men do of each other's thought and feelings, including the darker sides of our
lives. His friendship and humor helped me survive the stifling and melancholy long-term relationship with a very troubled girlfriend I had
at the time. Hopefully, I was able to return the favor as he wrestled with his set of demons from his past.
The time Ira served as a cryptographer in Vietnam still haunted him. He'd spent most of his time maintaining secure communications gear,
much of it in remote locations deep inside the Vietnamese countryside. This could be very dangerous by itself, but things got even
tougher when he'd be called upon to recover sensitive electronic gear from aircraft downed behind enemy lines. During these
adventures, as he called them, he'd usually be dropped into the crash site by a helicopter, which would hover nearby while he and
another tech pulled the equipment from the plane. This was always a tricky proposition since the sound of a helicopter would attract the
attention of any enemy troops nearby.
Most of the time, they would manage to extract the equipment and get back to the 'chopper before the ground fire got too bad. On more
than one occasion, however, heavy enemy fire forced the pilot to leave before they could pick up the recovery team. When this
happened, Ira and his partner would have to start back on foot, hoping they could evade capture and stay alive long enough to make it
back home.
Ira told me that there had been several incidents like this which brought him so close to death, and he finally came to believe that he was
simply not going to go home alive. In an odd way, this outlook helped him survive his tour of duty by giving him a calm detachment in
crisis situations and the license to enjoy himself whenever he could.
He took this philosophy back from Vietnam, and although it contributed to his happy-go-lucky demeanor, I also think it gave him a
fatalistic approach to life. Despite repeated warnings from friends, family, and doctors, Ira would often refuse to take the medication that
controlled a severe case of hypertension. He told me that the drugs made him tired, and that he'd rather risk a stroke or worse than let
them slow him down.
I'm not sure whether Ira knew something was wrong the day he and his family paid a weekend visit, but somehow we found ourselves
talking about our own mortality and how we were dealing with it. Standing by the barbeque, we both agreed that most funerals we had
seen were sorry affairs that did neither the deceased nor their survivors any good.
I told Ira that my idea was to spend a minimum of money on burial or cremation, and devote what would have been normally spent on a
fancy funeral service to a big party. He liked my idea that the party include as many friends and family members as possible, and that
most of the time should be devoted to telling funny stories about our lives and enjoying each other's company. After all, we figured,
funerals weren't for the dead, but for the living.
It was then that that sumbitch talked me into the arrangement that secured his place in history. With a couple of beers in each of us, we
jokingly agreed, depending upon who died first, to be the social director for the other's funeral. I solemnly shook hands with Ira and got
us both another beer. Betty laughed when we told her of our pact, and we all figured that it would be a long time before we had to think
about it again. Unfortunately for all of us, we were wrong.
A couple of weeks later, Betty called to tell me Ira was dead. As usual, he'd been taking his medicine sporadically, and it had caught up
with him late one night in the form of a massive heart attack. With the weight of our pact on my shoulders, I made arrangements for a
party large enough to accommodate Ira's many friends, while Betty handled Ira's cremation. Sad as I was, there was some comfort in
seeing how many friends Ira had and how many volunteered to help me fix up the Neal house enough to fetch a decent price to help
Betty and the kids move back to Kansas, where most of her family lived. The party itself started off subdued, but given the nature of Ira's
friends and the copious amounts of food and alcohol I'd arranged for, it got very lively - especially for a funeral.
I woke up in my house the next day with a hangover, and only a dim memory of the last few hours of the party. I headed downstairs to fix
some breakfast, and that's when I saw the vitamin bottle. Since Flintstones is not my brand of choice for vitamins, I figured that the bottle
was not mine. Upon opening it and finding it half-full with gray ash about the consistency of beach sand, I realized I was wrong again.
As I downed a handful of aspirins and sipped at my orange juice, the hazy memory of what I'd done began to return to me.
For reasons I still only dimly understand, I'd decided to ask Betty for a small amount of Ira's ashes, and promised to try to stow them
aboard the communications satellite I was working on. Betty had obliged, scooping a few tablespoons of Ira's remains out of their
cardboard urn and into the nearest container at hand. The Monday following the party, I took the ashes, still in the Flintstones vitamin
jar, into work, put them in my desk drawer, and began to contemplate my next move.
I tried to imagine what it would take to make a container sufficiently secure to guarantee that none of the ashes would escape and
possibly damage the spacecraft. I also speculated on the best way to secure the capsule in a concealed place where it would not be
detected. After a few weeks of pondering, I had a few ideas for the design of the capsule, but no way to machine the parts. Worse yet, I'd
gone over the mechanical drawings of the satellite and could not find a corner anywhere that would shelter a suspicious-looking chunk
of metal from inquisitive eyes.
After a few more weeks of fruitless pondering, the project faded into the background of my busy life. Occasionally, however, my
conscience would be aroused when I'd rummage around in my upper desk drawer for some long-lost tool or paper and stumble upon the
Flintstones vitamin jar. Things went along like this for a year or so, and Ira's ashes were nearly forgotten, until I was reassigned to the
Mars Observer program.
Scheduled for launch in 1992, our plant was contracted to build the vehicle, or "bus", that would place eight science experiments in orbit
around Mars about a year later. While not as spectacular as a mission that actually landed, our craft was to be an inexpensive means of
mapping the surface, sub-surface, and atmosphere of the planet for 23 months, an entire Martian year. With the data we'd send back from
the camera, radar mapper, spectrometers, and other experiments, the scientists hoped to understand much more about Mars, its origins,
and identify potentially important landing sites for future missions.
I found the vitamin jar while packing my desk to move over to the office where the Mars Observer team was working, and took it with me.
For the next five years, the spacecraft progressed from a contract, to specifications, to plans, to a mountain of parts, and eventually to a
vehicle under construction. And on the occasions I'd stumble over them, Ira's ashes would stare accusingly from the back of the upper
drawer.
It was on one of those occasions when a perverse notion came over me, and I thought to ask Nick about what it would take to stow some
of Ira's ashes aboard Mars Observer. Nick was a young mechanical engineer whom I worked with closely in putting the legitimate
scientific payloads on the spacecraft. We'd become friends and I felt comfortable, at least hypothetically, discussing the plan with him.
I gave Nick a brief rundown on how Ira had ended up languishing in my desk and his face immediately to take on that far away look that
comes to an engineer's face when he or she discovers a solution to particularly difficult problem, or stumbles upon a design problem that
especially captures the imagination. He agreed to think seriously about the matter and went away humming to himself.
A few weeks later, a small, A-size drawing showed up on my desk, entitled "3271128-503, I.R.A. Module." The drawing showed a 1"
hollow cube with a tight-fitting lid. Lord knows which shop order Nick used, but a few months after the drawing was done, the cube
appeared on my desk, machined to spec, out of spacecraft-grade aluminum.
The plan, Nick informed me, was to stow Ira in a small notch he'd designed into a bracket that anchored the solar array boom to the
spacecraft's main structure. Being the thorough sort of fellow he was, Nick had created the notch as part of an effort to lighten the
assembly, and had taken pains to analyze the changes for structural integrity. The assembly schedule of the spacecraft changed on a
daily basis, but Nick estimated that we'd have an opportunity to access the bracket and insert the capsule just before the outer panels
were attached some time in the following month.
All that remained for me was to encapsulate the ashes in a manner that would insure they posed no threat to the spacecraft or its mission.
Having had time to think about this for some time, I went down to the "glop shop," the lab where the epoxies, urethane compounds,
adhesives, and other encapsulating agents were mixed. In return for the appropriate paperwork, the guy at the window to the lab handed
me a large syringe full of Blue Solothane, a popular and reliable potting compound that is used for everything from securing components
to PC boards to providing a moisture-resistant barrier in low-voltage transformer assemblies. The clear, viscous compound is tinted a
cheerful blue color, giving it the appearance of icing for a fancy cake.
Ed, another friend, one of the few others I dared tell about this unauthorized "payload," helped me prepare a mixing area back in the
mechanical shop that sat behind the clean rooms where the spacecraft were housed. The Solothane took on a dirty blue color, and it
faded to a bluish gray as I added about half of Ira's ashes to the contents of the pot. The compounded ashes nearly filled the cube,
leaving space for a layer of clear, unblemished Solothane to act as a gasket and prevent any stray ashes from escaping. Finally, the lid
was secured and the "I.R.A. Assembly" was set aside for 24 hours to cure. We both smiled. Ira was ready to take his seat aboard Mars
Observer.
On the night we finally went to put the cube in its designated location, Nick explained that we'd hit a small snag. It seems that things ran
a bit ahead of schedule and the panel that covered the bracket where Ira was supposed to hide had been installed the other day. He told
me not to worry as we suited up in the airlock. Being the conscientious engineer he was, Nick had several contingency plans. We sidled
up to the "south" side of the spacecraft, exchanging greetings with the few technicians on duty that evening. The south side had not
been "closed out" yet, which meant that its honeycomb aluminum external panels had not been attached. With them out of the way, we
had free access to look for a new home for Ira.
Opportunity presented itself almost immediately. It seems that one of the reasons Nick had chosen the particular 1" form factor for the
capsule was that similar sized, although solid, aluminum blocks were used in a variety of locations throughout the spacecraft. One of the
principle functions they served was to support and secure some of the large wire bundles that comprised the spacecraft's wire harness.
We found a likely location where a fat bundle looped close to the spacecraft's structure. Nick epoxied a small metal tab to one end of our
cube before gluing the other end to the spacecraft.
After the glue set, Nick laced the wire bundle to the tab on Ira's cube using the standard-issue harness floss employed for such purposes
throughout the spacecraft. With the seam of its lid facing the interior of the spacecraft, the capsule looked like one of the other cubes
performing similar functions throughout the vehicle.
Ira had just moved up from stowaway to a working member of the program.
Months later, on September 26, 1992, I stood on the causeway at Cape Canaveral, counting down the last few minutes before the Titan III
rocket lofted our spacecraft into low Earth orbit where its upper stage would put it on a trajectory for Mars. I was wearing a t-shirt that I'd
designed and had made to commemorate the launch. Our launch team had ordered up a gross of these special shirts, emblazoned with the
Mars Observer logo, and a few symbols that had become our icons.
The shirt's breast pocket sported a small green Martian, the program's mascot. The back of the shirt featured a picture of the spacecraft,
draped with a cartoon of a sensually posed female that was the trademark for a local strip club that was legendary for its hospitality to
visiting launch teams. Printed on the right sleeve was a hand with crossed fingers, the launch director's expression of all our hopes and
fears for this fateful day. Other than the manager-types who wore suits and ties, almost all the rest of staff supporting the program arrived
the morning of the launch wearing the t-shirt.
My shirt was one of another dozen that I'd added one more symbol to. On the sleeve under the crossed fingers were two words, printed
in bold letters: "GO IRA!" Back in the launch control complex, Nick wore his GO IRA shirt as well.
The launch was one of the high points of my life. Watching six years of my team's work roar aloft on a pillar of fire is as indelibly etched
in my brain as the birth of my daughter. Other than a thirty-minute period where we held our collective breath until a hiccup in the
spacecraft's telemetry stream fixed itself, the launch, and subsequent trans-Mars injection burn, went off by the numbers.
Ira was finally on his way.
After I got back from Florida, I mailed the remaining GO IRA shirts to Betty, having selected sizes that she, the kids, and Thelma, Ira's
mom, could wear. I included a note explaining how I'd finally kept the promise I made years earlier, and asked them to keep the news to
themselves until Mars Observer was safely in operation around Mars. I think I still have the sweet note from Thelma somewhere,
thanking me for my efforts in her son's memory.
The eleven months it took the spacecraft to reach Mars went by smoothly, with only minor glitches along the way. I was looking forward
to getting the word out about the first man to Mars once the spacecraft fired its retro-rockets and set up housekeeping at Mars. Sadly, all
our efforts came to nothing when it disappeared three days before it got to Mars while pressurizing its fuel system for the retro burn.
The months of tests that I and hundreds of other put in after Mars Observer's disappearance identified the most likely source of the
problem to be a ruptured fuel line caused by a badly specified fuel valve. Our analysis showed that the valve could, under certain
conditions, create sparks that would ignite the hypergolic propulsion fuel before it entered the engine itself. Once the fuel line ruptured, it
would set off a horrific chain of events that could cripple our spacecraft within minutes and render it inoperative before it could even
signal for help.
Although the official inquiry solved the problem with the fuel system, and allowed a sister craft, the Mars Global Surveyor, to
successfully arrive at Mars a few years later, I've kept this story to myself for all these years. I guess that my silence was in part for fear
of retribution from NASA, and in part because I figured nobody would believe me. I'm still not sure what has motivated me to put this all
down now, except for the fact that the story needed to be told some time or another.
I often still think of Mars Observer, its passenger, and what has become of it. Without the braking rockets to slow it down, I'm told Mars
Observer most likely continued along the heliocentric orbit that it had followed to Mars, and flies back past the planet roughly every two
years. It's sort of silly, but I like to imagine Ira waving at Mars when he makes that biennial rendezvous.
*While this is a true story, certain names have been altered to shield the identities of friends who aided me in this project from prying
eyes. Also, I have taken the liberty of simplifying my description of a few of the non-essential circumstances in this narrative in an
attempt to streamline the story enough that it did not overly tax the credulity or patience of the reader. Neither of these actions
detracts in any way from the essential facts of how Ira Neal became the first (to my knowledge) passenger aboard an interplanetary
spacecraft from Earth.
Re:That's why :-) (Score:2)
Re:what can be said? (Score:2, Funny)
Imagine how you'd feel if I wrote GO OSAMA! in my comments.
--gazbo
Re:Interesting story. (Score:1)
They were at war in Vietnam, but they weren't at war with China.
Besides, as I understand it, spy planes never contain any advanced technology, they are ordinary planes outfitted with unclassified spying equipments, just in case the plane would be shot down. (or captured in any way)
One thing that could be interesting, would be to see what the enemy did with the electronic equipment while it was in their hands.
That may very well be the reason they wanted the equipment back.
International Incident... Bombing... WWIII (Score:1)
That would have led to war... You don't go bombing the military installations of countries that you are at "peace" with. However, in the midst of a war you can definately bomb enemy installations that might, or might not, be holding the remains of one of your fighter/spy planes.
Of course, it probably would have been really cool to have started WWIII over something like a spy plane, right? I mean, we have come closer with Nuclear Subs that nobody ever heard about until a movie, "Crimson Tide", was made about the event.
Going to war over a Spy Plane that everyone had heard of would make a helluva lot more sense, right? What's the lives of a few billion people compared to the cost of lost Spy Technology and one aircraft?
-.-
I was unaware... (Score:1)
I had been under the impression that film was based upon a true story... Whoops...
Regardless, there have been a few times when the US and the USSR had come pretty darn close to hoverging their fingers over the buttons of Global Thermonuclear destruction...
-.-
Re:Intersesting story. (Score:1)
Re:cause of Mars Observer loss and other problems (Score:1)
I know Lee, Technician X, and Prestomeco, and had met Ira and his African-American princess sweetie Tahoma a couple of times before he died. I still have a couple of MO Launch Team T-shirts. Although I didn't personally witness any part of Ira's boarding of the spacecraft, I have no particular reason to doubt the story.
But I doubt that Ira was the first, either!
- pdmoderator
Re:cause of Mars Observer loss and other problems (Score:1)
Re:cause of Mars Observer loss and other problems (Score:1)
See ya Saturday!
- pdmoderator
Re:Can anyone say FBI investigation? (Score:1)