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Paintable LCDs 238

frambooz writes "Nature Magazine has an article about a team from the Eindhoven University of Technology and Philips Research Laboratories in the Netherlands, who discovered a way to create 1 layer paintable LCD-screens. It can be used on glass and plastic already, and fabric in the near future. 'Homes of the future could change their wallpaper from cream to cornflower blue at the touch of a button, says Dirk Broer. His team has developed paint-on liquid crystal displays (LCDs) that offer the technology. (...) The technique could create giant TV screens, digital billboards and walls that change colour. Slim, plastic LCDs sewn into fabric could display e-mail or text messages on your sleeve.' Which leads to another problem: with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?" There's also an AP article.
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  • Cars? (Score:1, Funny)

    by 5arah ( 308173 )
    I'm looking forward to painting cars with this...then EVERYONE can have flames on their SUV.
    • I'm looking forward to painting cars with this...then EVERYONE can have flames on their SUV.

      Moving flames too!
      Now, the only problem is how the hell to afford a SUV...
      • Re:Cars? (Score:3, Funny)

        by hagardtroll ( 562208 )
        Remember Mood Rings?

        You could have a mood car. One that changes color depending on how aggressive driver you are. Your car computer could detect your mood from your driving style.

        Red for 'Get Outta my way.',
        Blue for 'I'm driving the speed limit.'
        Green for 'I'm on vacation.'
        Flashing Yellow/Red for 'I'm driving erratically.'

    • Re:Cars? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Xaoswolf ( 524554 )
      as heard over the police band radio "Attention all units, I'm in hot pursuit of a red station wagon... make that a blue... no green... ok now it's plaid... well at least it's a station wagon."

      The only other improvement I would want, is an LCD liscense plate...

  • I don't imagine it would be a good idea to have one of these paint on screens in a home where small children are present. Kids tend to make a mess out of traditional monitors, but ones that cover an entire wall? Thats an accident waiting to happen.
  • "Which leads to another problem: with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?"

    I'm a little afraid for user input if i'd put my apps in wrong places...

  • LCD Suit... (Score:3, Funny)

    by nob ( 244898 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @08:49AM (#3449802) Homepage
    ...with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?

    Well, Windows XP could go on my wife's butt. They're both unnecessarily big and bloated, and despite what some people say, they can be trimmed down with some work.

  • by SplendidIsolatn ( 468434 ) <splendidisolatn@nOSPAm.yahoo.com> on Thursday May 02, 2002 @08:49AM (#3449803)
    Slim, plastic LCDs sewn into fabric could display e-mail or text messages on your sleeve.' Which leads to another problem: with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?"

    Lets see...
    Front of pants, PKUnZip
    Back of pants, DownloadAccelerator
    options are endless....
  • the mind shudders...
    I'd of course run linux across my shoulders, chest and back. Like a tattoo that I want people to see.
    Guess I'd run Windows across my ass.
  • Locations. (Score:1, Funny)

    by saintlupus ( 227599 )
    with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?

    [Tycho voice]

    On my wang. Everything... on... my... wang.

    [/Tycho voice]

    --saint
  • invisibility (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Fucky the troll ( 528068 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @08:50AM (#3449810) Homepage Journal
    You could use this stuff on fabric along with tiny video cameras to create predator-style invisibility.
    • screw invisiblity (though really, really hard to see would be sweet) - howabout having whatever's on your mind on your shirt? imagine what choreographers could do w/ this, or any artist for that matter. and Graphitti - need I say more? really dope graphitti.
  • The article cunningly doesn't mention how much a fair amount (say - a bucket :) - enough to paint a wall with) would cost. If it's $50 for a square metre's worth of LCD, then fine; if it's £500, it's practically useless. I do see interesting applications for this though - like interating an LCD into your sleeve or backpack. We'll see in 6 months if this is all it's cracked up to be :)
    • We'll see in 6 months if this is all it's cracked up to be :)

      I saw this toted as news six months ago in a dead tree tech paper.
      I'm not holding my breath for practical application within another six months...

      It would be immensly cool though.
  • this has got to be one of the coolest technologies to come along recently. Imagine carrying a 'roll up' monitor along with your laptop instead of the traditional screen. T-shirts in ten years: connect by firewire to your computer and set a .jpeg file as your 'background'
    • As legal counsel for Cafe Press, I object to this blatant disregard for the rights of business owners. Your idea is obviously a circumvention device designed to destroy free-market capitalism and encourage piracy of Cafe Press' intellectual property.
  • With sdvances like this and things like electric ink, and all, I can imagine a day when all this stuff is used on product packaging in stores

    Imagine walking down a supermarket lane with your cart, with all of the cans and boxes waving at you, with their tiny voices in chorus saying "Buy Me!", "Don't listen to that brand, Buy me instead!".

    just the pressure from the kids would be enough to be insane. "Can we get this one mom?"

    • Great, now I'm going to have nightmares about being chased down supermarket aisles by a box of Cherrios shrieking "Buyyyy Meeeee!"
      • It gets Worse! (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Alien54 ( 180860 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @09:22AM (#3449983) Journal
        Great, now I'm going to have nightmares about being chased down supermarket aisles by a box of Cherrios shrieking "Buyyyy Meeeee!"

        and it gets worse.

        Since this stuff can be embedded into fabric, obviously you can have T-shirts, etc. Obviously, You know someone will add wireless capability for continous updates, etc.

        The free car program [freecar.com] where you get a free car because it has Advertising on it can now have cars that are updated monthly.

        The visual equivalent of pop-up ads everywhere, as you drive or walk down the street.

        Then add in your occasional prankster. Your room mate configures the back of your jacket to display pr0n as you walk down the street.

        And we call this progress. just a simple extrapolation of the spammer mentality to the use of the new media forms

        • And imagine the viruses...

          One day all of america wakes up and finds their closet full of Bin Laden t-shirts.
          The president of the USA has to cut his visit to france short after having the words "F**k you frog-eaters!" suddenly appear on his tie during an important meeting.
          In China earthquakes are triggered as 1 billion people frantically try to get rid of the illegal "Free Tibet" t-shirts that suddenly are everywhere.
          And so on.
          It's the end of the world as we know it!

          And somwhere, in his parents dark basement, a 15-year old pimple-faced script-kiddie who can't get laid giggles as his revenge on society takes effect.


  • A new application for the "paintable LCD" is to make it the new Body Paint.

    Yes, paint your whole body with that stuffs, turn on the switch, and turn off the lights, and you got a walking, dancing, talking advertising board !

    What a great boom for the ad industry, donjatink?
  • Club heads (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Mattygfunk ( 517948 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @08:56AM (#3449836) Homepage
    An LCD outfit would be a hit at raves and clubs. Your gear would become the ultimate glowstick. Set your clothes to change colour with the beat of the music and set up some cool visulizations and your away.
  • AFAI percieve it, this technology will not be used for "wearing" apps (really...apart from your sleeves, which other part of cloth are you prepared to look at repeatedly bending your neck or pulling up the cloth?)

    Instead, it can be used in various scientific/space experiments (ya...think of the possibilities....this is an excellent weight reduction appliance where we need to transfer quick information, instead of screens)
    • Better yet, think of military appilcations. Chameleon-like camouflage possiblities for troops, tanks, ships, airplanes...

      Remember the inviso suit the alien had in Predator? With this stuff, and some tiny CCD cameras, it could be nearly a reality.
  • by HiQ ( 159108 )
    I would probably take a life-size image from a project from a few years ago, where they turned a corpse into plastic, and photographed very thin slices of it. Just display such a slice on your LCD-suit, and totally gross people out.
  • Might there be a use for this as a camouflage tool? Have suits made of the stuff with various settings to blend into whatever backround is chosen.

    What about advertising: The new Nike tracksuit, sans sown on logo, but instead with scrolling LCD patch on arm with scrolling Nike advertisements (stores may even provide a discount - hell, you're a walking billboard!). Staff Uniforms at Burger King/K-Mart/etc with the latest specials/reductions displayed and constantly updated - how hard would it be to display your own images though, I wonder?
  • Now, it would be really cool if this stuff got cheap and bio-friendly. Meaning you could paint your entire body in it. Imagine being a chameleon! You could turn red when your mad. You could be African American today and Albino tomorrow. You could radiate shimmering rainbow colors at will. The next step would be to interface these LCD's with your brain, so you wouldn't have to mess with a controller device. Alas, too good to be true.
  • .. beowulf cluster, eeeuh, no, I mean, a suit of this stuff with the colour being dynamically altered to match the surroundings. You'd be practically invisible!
  • Camouflage suit? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by RoboOp ( 460207 )
    At the very least, you could have a suit that would blend into the background or color scheme for a theatre of conflict.

    Modify a guille suit to have a coat of color changing needles and a soldier could be undetectable - even at very close distances.

    Now the real trick - how to have the suit be aware of its surroundings and blend into them. Octopi and other animals seem to have mastered this trick - how hard could it be? ;)
  • by SkyLeach ( 188871 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @09:08AM (#3449908) Homepage
    I would put small cameras in front and behind me which displayed their images on the opposite side of the suite.

    It may not be invisibility but it's damned close.

    The problem I see is: what about backlighting? LCD required backlighting to work doesn't it? If the colors (colours for you brits :-) are dense enough to reflect light realistically then perhaps that isn't a problem for some applicaitons: the invisibility application, however, presents a problem.
    • you could put somesort of ultraviolet reflecting stuff behind, then you could have it lit up with ultraviolet light
    • The problem I see is: what about backlighting? LCD required backlighting to work doesn't it? If the colors (colours for you brits :-) are dense enough to reflect light realistically then perhaps that isn't a problem for some applicaitons: the invisibility application, however, presents a problem.

      I read an article on eInk a while back on their full-color screens that do not emit light [newscientist.com]. In other words, you need an external light source to see the screen. Sounds like a perfect match for this technology.
    • Ha, very interesting idea... I think the shape of the suit and just moving around in general would distort the image though.

      mark
  • Just think, they could do the Teletubby show live!
  • Slim, plastic LCDs sewn into fabric could display e-mail or text messages on your sleeve.' Yeah, just what I've always wanted... now those dumb t-shirts that advertise for everything will be animated... Seriously, will this technology end up being better and brighter than organic LEDs? Just a thought... Justin
  • Just a general rule, I would recommend not placing any M$ product near your anus.
  • Which leads to another problem: with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?
    The clock, of course, would be on the left shirt/ blouse cuff.

    Acknowledgements to Larry Niven for coming up with this idea ("It's a Bulova Dali") in one of his tales of Known Space.

    • Re:Apps (Score:2, Informative)

      by docbrown42 ( 535974 )
      Acknowledgements to Larry Niven for coming up with this idea ("It's a Bulova Dali") in one of his tales of Known Space.
      ______

      I think that's in Dream Park (which isn't part of his Known Space series). I remember Alex Griffin complaining that the clock would die if he dry-cleaned it too much.
  • "It must have been Tuesday. He was using his cornflower blue wall."
    • 'Homes of the future could change their wallpaper from cream to cornflower blue at the touch of a button'
  • I *want* a Panther Modern suit...
  • Now imagine a paint-on wall-size screen.

    Imagine you had the money to pay for the research into rapid deployment of high-tech command centers to remote locations. Get the picture?

    Who needs CRTs when you have tent walls.

    The only hard part of LCDs these days is getting the line resolution and registration down to 1/100 of an inch. Its not the material. If you don't need wires 1/200th of an inch thin every 1/100th of an inch, it a LOT easier and cheaper.

    If you can weave the support and control lines into cloth and slather on the LCD goo in a controlled thickness, seal it all in clear, weather-proof plastic with good UV reactant properties, its gets a lot cheaper.

    The only hard parts are seperating pixels (weave in regularly spaced thick insulating/isolating thread,) and getting the signal to the LCD material (which requires regularly-spaced "fuzzy" knots in the metalic "signal carrier" thread.

    The technology has been around for a while.

    Anybody remember pictures of women slipping magnetic doughnuts onto wires and threading a third wire into 'em to make "core" memory?

    These are refinements and cost-cutting.
  • Guess I'll have to take the dart board down or else one stray may chnage the color of everything, then shatter my wall.
  • by mister7 ( 56875 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @09:18AM (#3449961)
    There are military contractor already on this one, but they're using flat panels. A camera could capture the image behind you and project that image on the front part of your 'suit'. Doesn't need to be a sharp, perfectly aligned image either. Just get the color and intensity right. The US Army already wants this one...--> http://www.aro.army.mil/phys/Nanoscience/sec4nano. htm [army.mil]
    • What happens when people look at you from a 60 degree angle? They see a smeared version of the straight on image. So, unless you stay face on to all the enemy, all the time, you're going to be visible.
      • It needn't be an "invisibility" suit that reproduces the exact scene behind the wearer relative to the viewer, but rather "adaptive camoflage" that changes according to surroundings. A regular camo suit doesn't have a lifelike tree painted on it after all, merely a mess of forest-colors that generally blend into forest surroundings.

        It would be enough to sample the scene around the user, and reproduce some perturbation of the image or image colours on the whole suit. If you wanted to be fancy, you could divide the suit into, say, 4 quadrants, and reproduce the sampled colours onto the opposite quadrant of the suit so you get more effective blending from viewers all around the subject.

        • Oh, definitely. Adaptive camouflage would be fantastic. I'd be very interested in seeing results on what patterns work best in real life situations.
        • >A regular camo suit doesn't have a lifelike tree
          >painted on it after all, merely a mess of forest-
          >colors that generally blend into forest
          >surroundings.

          Technically, camo doesn't "blend into forest surroundings", it only breaks up the human outline that's so immediately recognizable.
          Ever notice that military camo doesn't work *at all* if the person wearing it is moving?

          -l
  • Fahrenheit 451? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by GT_Alias ( 551463 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @09:19AM (#3449965)
    The technique could create giant TV screens

    Holy buh-jeezus! Did anyone else read Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury?

    It was scary enough when they brought out those flat-panel plasma screens (not that I'm complaining), but now that you could paint all 4 walls w/ television screens...

    This combined with the advent of Aibo (remeber the mechanical dog in the firehouse?), seems to me Bradbury was dead on.

    • Holy buh-jeezus! Did anyone else read Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury?

      Heh, apparently you forgot this is Slashdot...
    • In other news today, Adolf Hitler ate, drank, slept, and wore clothes so everyone is advised to stop doing so immediately. I see them as irrelevant coincidences. Anyone could have told you that TVs are going to get bigger and eventually take up entire walls. Seems like the next logical step. It doesn't mean that we're going to start burning books because of it.

      Bill Gates even has something similar to this in his house, I believe, where the walls are screens that can be changed to display whatever is wanted. Or maybe he just wanted them to be. (From The Road Ahead).
    • Cool. We've already got the culture mostly in place - a lot of people think you're crazy if you don't spend the whole evening watching the network schlock on TV anyway. The books will start being burned as soon as the general public believes that books, not video games, incite children to violence and other 'bad' behaviors.

      Now, fellow geeks, we'd better start memorizing the books.
  • by Wrexen ( 151642 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @09:20AM (#3449974) Homepage
    Slim, plastic LCDs sewn into fabric could display e-mail or text messages on your sleeve.'

    Just great, the next MS email virus is going to spam my shirt sleeve with "--> IDIOT HERE -->" text to let everyone know I'm not using a secure email client :(
  • I've never gotten one, but if I could change it at whim, I would be far more likely to.

    Embed this into skin, you could have targeted ads on your forehead. Your coworker needs a shower; your forehead displays 'Speedstick. By Mennen.'

    C'mon Madison Ave! This is needed!

  • ...to install blackbox on my pants.
  • Walls (Score:3, Interesting)

    by truthsearch ( 249536 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @09:30AM (#3450026) Homepage Journal
    I've always wanted a video wall at home. That way I'm really using the available "real estate" to it's maximum capability. It would be great to have video on my cubicle walls at work. No monitor... a little to my right is my e-mail, touch the app window in front of me to bring my word processor into focus. It would be cool to have touch-support on video walls at work, along with a keyboard. Drag documents around... no more white board with smelly markers, just open a blank "window" and draw, no scanning needed to save it... have the video phone display to my left... drag a doc onto the other person's face to let them see it...

    Damn, now I'm just staring at my boring cube walls and monitor for the rest of the day. Thanks /. for building my dreams while I still have to suffer in this world! ;-)
  • My dream is to have 1 large wall in my living room function as my TV and computer desktop. I can picture a super large desktop, perhaps 4000x3000, with tons of apps up and running spanning the wall in front of me! Browser over there, spreadsheet up there, mp3 player down there, and Quake3 directly in front. I guess it would kinda be like Marty's future house from Back to the Future 2.

    (Yeah its already possible with LCD projectors, but an LCD wall is much cooler!)
  • by Anonymous Coward
    What if you could hack somebody's suit. You could way beyond puting a "Kick Me" sign on their back, you could make it display the image of a naked body, sorta making them look like they are naked at first glance (just wait till they stand up to give their speach first hehehe) or put a scrolling marquee on their back saying anything you want. Put "Kiss it" on their butt. You could put a woman's bra size on boobs, or target circles, or "Silicon inside" or "They ARE real, and they're spectacular"

    Oh the endless possibilities.
    • What if you could hack somebody's suit. You could way beyond puting a "Kick Me" sign on their back, you could make it display the image of a naked body, sorta making them look like they are naked at first glance (just wait till they stand up to give their speach first hehehe) or put a scrolling marquee on their back saying anything you want. Put "Kiss it" on their butt. You could put a woman's bra size on boobs, or target circles, or "Silicon inside" or "They ARE real, and they're spectacular"

      Oh the endless possibilities.


      Uhmmm... isn't the purpose of a practical joke like this to embarrass the receiver?

      You've got to remember that this is the era of the "I'm with Stupid -->" T-Shirts and "Tittie Inspector" caps. These might be effective on my grandmother, but not always a parent of cousin. It certainly would scare my sisters or me. It would greatly amuse my neice and nephews. To put it bluntly, if you could imagine somebody paying $15 for a T-Shirt or $40 for pants then it wouldn't make a great practical joke. As for the "naked backside" line of clothing, have we forgotten the "naked apron" line of wear?
  • I'm sure they are working on something for this, but most LCDs do not primarily work by reflection, they work by filtering out the parts of white light that you don't want in the image. So, how do you backlight cloth? or a little rollup screen?

    Has anyone has seen the iPaq without the backlight on (which is by far the best non-backlit LCD I've seen)? It is still unusable in non-office lighting conditions. And that is a best case scenario.
  • I had a dream last year that this article loosely relates to.

    Not only does some type of display technology become printable, but so do the circuits. (I think I had this dream soon after the /. article about some kind of printable display from IBM.)

    In short, it becomes possible to "print" an entire PDA onto your wrist. Sort of like a tatoo wristwatch. In fact, in the dream, they become so useful that everyone must have one. The printable display can even fashion various barcodes on the display briefly for scanning.

    Only problem is that the PDA wears off after about a month and you've got to get another one printed on. They are fairly cheap to re-print each month. About $30 or so. But some people cannot afford this.

    For those who can't afford one, corporate sponsorship can be obtained. As payment for a basic PDA on your wrist, you let them print a color animated advertising banner onto your forehead.
  • You could paint all the walls, then use cameras to display on the wall what you would see if the wall wasn't there -- it would give the effect of having see-through walls (one-way).
    • Re:clear walls! (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Dexx ( 34621 )
      Hm.. there's a business opportunity here. Place cameras around the world and then deliver the feed using a high-speed connection. Subscription service, of course. That way, you could look out your 'window' and see a beautiful mountain scene. Or a market in Thailand, whatever cranks your turn.
  • by Tri0de ( 182282 ) <dpreynld@pacbell.net> on Thursday May 02, 2002 @09:41AM (#3450115) Journal
    Tried to design one a few years ago, but this might make it possible. Imagine a globe that could be updated via the web or disc, could illustrate the route of a voyabe or flight paths or tectonic drift, or weather, satellite orbits....
    • Except you'd keep getting hacked by people from countries with border disputes -

      Seriously, though, I once saw a spherical jigsaw puzzle globe from a company that would send you updated pieces when borders changed.

      You've motivated me to go and see what the latest Xearth programs are like - RedHat used to include it years ago and it was a cool program - lots of configurable options beyond the defaults. I wonder if it's been updated with those great satellite images I saw here a month or so ago...

      Off to google...
      Jim in Tokyo
      • xplanet rocks! (Score:3, Informative)

        by isaac ( 2852 )
        Be sure to check out xplanet (xplanet.sourceforge.net) - it is basically XEarth++, and it is awesome. Works in *nix and windoze, and with simple scripts it will download near-live satellite cloud imagery (updated every ~6 hrs, I think) for rendering the earth. It also supports loading and displaying weather data from the net (like XEarth displays city names), which in combination with the live clouds makes for a fun way to get an intuitive grasp of weather and weather forecasting by watching the whole world over time.

        Slick stuff.

        -Isaac

  • by waldeaux ( 109942 ) <donahue@skepsREDHATis.com minus distro> on Thursday May 02, 2002 @09:52AM (#3450204)
    Which leads to another problem: with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?"

    Well, I know where the e-mail SPAM would appear... :-)

  • One possibilty would be to use it to change your appearence... Aha! I am the master of disguise! It'd be cool to show up at work naked but projecting a three-piece suit. Or as a leopard. Or as the CEO. :-)

    "I'll be staying on Mars, two weeks... two weeks... two weeks..."

  • Which leads to another problem: with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?"

    I'm sure that where to put what app will be a trial and error thing, for a while, gut my real question is:
    How will you wash the damn thing?

    Reminds me of a story I read the other day in a fashion magazine (don't ask) about someone taking an expensive skirt to the dry cleaners and coming back to find it standing up in a corner.

    The manufacturer hadn't bothered to mention that the skirt was almost pure plastic.

  • Here [newscientist.com].
  • There was a big hoopla about Electronic Ink developed at MIT about five years ago. Outside of an occasional demo at a trade show, I haven't seen much use of this product.

    Whats the difference techincally and commercially between this new product and e-ink?
  • All of these Bradbury allusions got me thinking.

    Combine the suit(or the bodypaint version), a very fast wireless connection, solar power, a P2P app and no off switch and you get the Illustrated man.

    Hook him into a survilence network and watch the fun.

    SD

  • This would be soooo cool.. punching in an RGB code and changing the color of your car.. I don't think cops would like it too much.. "I'm pulling over a red.. no black.. no green.. no blue, mustang.. "
  • OLED Paint? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by malachid69 ( 306291 )
    OLED (Organic LED) would be much better. LED requires battery power to maintain the refresh, while OLED only requires battery power to delta the image. OLEDs are currently in manufacturing (some Pioneer stereos and JCPenny signs). They are cheaper to produce, and more usable.
  • Makes me think that people (I am sure the military have that in mind already) will use it to try to create the "predator" suit ... which shows to your eyes the surrounding view ... may be rather interesting ...

    Of course since it will have to be skin tight to work efficiently that means running naked under that transparent film ... better make sure to have enough batteries on hand (which makes you wonder where to hide it now) ;)
  • ... Does this outfit make my App look big?
  • Have none of you read "The Light of Other Days" [amazon.com]? by Clarke (Yes that Clarke) and Baxter? They have these things all over the place. Roll it up take it with you, browse from anywhere. And yes they even have the 'smart shrouds' you're talking about. Check it out it's only $6 on Amazon.
  • Bumper Stickers! Set it up with a depth-measurement tool and have your back bumper switch from "My child is a Superkid" to "Back Off, Ass-hole!" whenever someone gets a little too close. Clever sayings from banner ads! Hippy, swirly colorful things!
  • Blast! (Score:2, Funny)

    by LastToKnow ( 449735 )
    I caught some virus that changed my suit to plaid, and it won't let me change it back!
  • 3d screens (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    If you could paint a flexible piece of plastic with this you could make a dome shaped screen, like at the planetarium, or a cube shaped, or a digital crystal-ball.

    Not sure if this is useful for anything ( a globe maybe?) but it sure is cool.

    Ooh, terra-form maps! that would be useful.

    piece!
  • by Ilan Volow ( 539597 ) on Thursday May 02, 2002 @04:20PM (#3453180) Homepage
    Blond joke

    Q: How do you tell if a blonde is using a computer:
    A: There's white-out on the screen

    Geek joke

    Q:How do you tell if a geek is writing on a piece of paper.
    A:There's screen on his white-out.
  • I painted the baby room 7 goddam times to get the right shade of yellow.

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