Paintable LCDs 238
frambooz writes "Nature Magazine has an article about a team from the Eindhoven University of Technology and Philips Research Laboratories in the Netherlands, who discovered a way to create 1 layer paintable LCD-screens. It can be used on glass and plastic already, and fabric in the near future. 'Homes of the future could change their wallpaper from cream to cornflower blue at the touch of a button, says Dirk Broer. His team has developed paint-on liquid crystal displays (LCDs) that offer the technology. (...) The technique could create giant TV screens, digital billboards and walls that change colour. Slim, plastic LCDs sewn into fabric could display e-mail or text messages on your sleeve.' Which leads to another problem: with an LCD-suit, where would you put which app?" There's also an AP article.
Cars? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Cars? (Score:2)
Moving flames too!
Now, the only problem is how the hell to afford a SUV...
Re:Cars? (Score:3, Funny)
You could have a mood car. One that changes color depending on how aggressive driver you are. Your car computer could detect your mood from your driving style.
Red for 'Get Outta my way.',
Blue for 'I'm driving the speed limit.'
Green for 'I'm on vacation.'
Flashing Yellow/Red for 'I'm driving erratically.'
Re:Cars? (Score:3, Interesting)
The only other improvement I would want, is an LCD liscense plate...
Kids and these Screens (Score:1)
user input (Score:1)
I'm a little afraid for user input if i'd put my apps in wrong places...
LCD Suit... (Score:3, Funny)
Well, Windows XP could go on my wife's butt. They're both unnecessarily big and bloated, and despite what some people say, they can be trimmed down with some work.
Re:LCD Suit... (Score:5, Funny)
Obligatory Joke (Score:5, Funny)
Lets see...
Front of pants, PKUnZip
Back of pants, DownloadAccelerator
options are endless....
Re:Obligatory Joke (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Obligatory Joke (Score:2)
hehe... wearable lcds (Score:1)
I'd of course run linux across my shoulders, chest and back. Like a tattoo that I want people to see.
Guess I'd run Windows across my ass.
Locations. (Score:1, Funny)
[Tycho voice]
On my wang. Everything... on... my... wang.
[/Tycho voice]
--saint
Re:Locations. (Score:2)
Re:Locations. (Score:2)
invisibility (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:invisibility (Score:2)
Re:invisibility (Score:2, Funny)
It might be possible to get it to work for a fixed view point, but as far as all round invisibility goes, it's unlikely.
Here (picture link) [angelfire.com] is why. If the person in the middle is covered in this paintand has cameras looking behind him to control what is shown on the suit and the other two are looking at the same point, then we can see that the man on the left would expect to see part of a tree and the man on the right would expect to see part of a house.
So what happens? I've no idea. If there was just one onlooker and we knew where he was, then a more realistic picture could be shown.
Don't hold your breath in other words...
Roger
(That doesn't make your parent post a troll though)
Re:invisibility (Score:2)
Re:invisibility (Score:2)
I'm fuzzy on how they actually will work, but basically a phased array optics display can create a three-dimensional display with nano-scale optics projecting light in different directions.
A phased array optic screen would look just like real life. The resolution would be equal to real life and it would look like 3-D.
If you had a phased-array optics suit, you could be just about invisible. The only visible things would be small cameras to gather information so you can be cloaked. These could be the size of Paramecium, so they would be pretty much invisible.
Theres a few problems with phased array optics: We need to have nanotechnology to build the optics. And to collate the optical information into a three dimensional display, a PAO screen would need more processing power than all the world's computers put together.
Given all of this, we might see phased array optics in 30-50 years.
What about the money? (Score:1)
Re:What about the money? (Score:2)
I saw this toted as news six months ago in a dead tree tech paper.
I'm not holding my breath for practical application within another six months...
It would be immensly cool though.
give it to me now (Score:1)
Re:give it to me now (Score:3, Funny)
Future Advertising (Score:2)
Imagine walking down a supermarket lane with your cart, with all of the cans and boxes waving at you, with their tiny voices in chorus saying "Buy Me!", "Don't listen to that brand, Buy me instead!".
just the pressure from the kids would be enough to be insane. "Can we get this one mom?"
Aieee (Score:2)
It gets Worse! (Score:4, Interesting)
and it gets worse.
Since this stuff can be embedded into fabric, obviously you can have T-shirts, etc. Obviously, You know someone will add wireless capability for continous updates, etc.
The free car program [freecar.com] where you get a free car because it has Advertising on it can now have cars that are updated monthly.
The visual equivalent of pop-up ads everywhere, as you drive or walk down the street.
Then add in your occasional prankster. Your room mate configures the back of your jacket to display pr0n as you walk down the street.
And we call this progress. just a simple extrapolation of the spammer mentality to the use of the new media forms
Re:It gets Worse! (Score:2)
One day all of america wakes up and finds their closet full of Bin Laden t-shirts.
The president of the USA has to cut his visit to france short after having the words "F**k you frog-eaters!" suddenly appear on his tie during an important meeting.
In China earthquakes are triggered as 1 billion people frantically try to get rid of the illegal "Free Tibet" t-shirts that suddenly are everywhere.
And so on.
It's the end of the world as we know it!
And somwhere, in his parents dark basement, a 15-year old pimple-faced script-kiddie who can't get laid giggles as his revenge on society takes effect.
Re:It gets Worse! (Score:2)
>yourself
Except that now instead of keying leaving a line in the paint, it leaves a big trail of dead pixels.
Nothing ruins the hardcore porn on your car door like a line of dead pixels right across her nipples...
-l
The New Body Paint ! (Score:2)
A new application for the "paintable LCD" is to make it the new Body Paint.
Yes, paint your whole body with that stuffs, turn on the switch, and turn off the lights, and you got a walking, dancing, talking advertising board !
What a great boom for the ad industry, donjatink?
Re:The New Body Paint ! (Score:2)
Club heads (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Club heads (Score:1)
This Technology (Score:1)
Instead, it can be used in various scientific/space experiments (ya...think of the possibilities....this is an excellent weight reduction appliance where we need to transfer quick information, instead of screens)
Re:This Technology (Score:2)
Remember the inviso suit the alien had in Predator? With this stuff, and some tiny CCD cameras, it could be nearly a reality.
Idea... (Score:1)
Do you suppose... (Score:1)
What about advertising: The new Nike tracksuit, sans sown on logo, but instead with scrolling LCD patch on arm with scrolling Nike advertisements (stores may even provide a discount - hell, you're a walking billboard!). Staff Uniforms at Burger King/K-Mart/etc with the latest specials/reductions displayed and constantly updated - how hard would it be to display your own images though, I wonder?
Awesome Possibilies! (Score:2, Interesting)
Imagine a ... (Score:1)
Camouflage suit? (Score:2, Interesting)
Modify a guille suit to have a coat of color changing needles and a soldier could be undetectable - even at very close distances.
Now the real trick - how to have the suit be aware of its surroundings and blend into them. Octopi and other animals seem to have mastered this trick - how hard could it be?
I know what I would do... (Score:3, Interesting)
It may not be invisibility but it's damned close.
The problem I see is: what about backlighting? LCD required backlighting to work doesn't it? If the colors (colours for you brits
Re:I know what I would do... (Score:2)
Re:I know what I would do... (Score:3, Interesting)
I read an article on eInk a while back on their full-color screens that do not emit light [newscientist.com]. In other words, you need an external light source to see the screen. Sounds like a perfect match for this technology.
Re:I know what I would do... (Score:2)
mark
Re:I know what I would do... (Score:3, Insightful)
Let's say you have an image on your front and it matches up with what's behind you. I'm looking at you from straight ahead. Now you move your right leg forward towards me. Either that distorts the image on your leg (as it is now angled), or there is some complex mechanism that can account for all body movements and provide the reverse of this distortion in order to cancel it out and make it look normal from head on.
That's kind of tough to explain, did it make sense?
Not to mention the fact that I would have to be looking at you from head on.
mark
teletubbies! (Score:1)
Re:teletubbies! (Score:1)
what you mean theri not real?....
*sound of shattering illusions*
Great... (Score:2)
Where would you put your apps? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Where would you put your apps? (Score:2)
You should have.
Apps (Score:2)
Acknowledgements to Larry Niven for coming up with this idea ("It's a Bulova Dali") in one of his tales of Known Space.
Re:Apps (Score:2, Informative)
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I think that's in Dream Park (which isn't part of his Known Space series). I remember Alex Griffin complaining that the clock would die if he dry-cleaned it too much.
Tylor Durden says: (Score:1)
Oh yes.... (Score:2)
Not new. Imagine a roll-up screen. (Score:2)
Imagine you had the money to pay for the research into rapid deployment of high-tech command centers to remote locations. Get the picture?
Who needs CRTs when you have tent walls.
The only hard part of LCDs these days is getting the line resolution and registration down to 1/100 of an inch. Its not the material. If you don't need wires 1/200th of an inch thin every 1/100th of an inch, it a LOT easier and cheaper.
If you can weave the support and control lines into cloth and slather on the LCD goo in a controlled thickness, seal it all in clear, weather-proof plastic with good UV reactant properties, its gets a lot cheaper.
The only hard parts are seperating pixels (weave in regularly spaced thick insulating/isolating thread,) and getting the signal to the LCD material (which requires regularly-spaced "fuzzy" knots in the metalic "signal carrier" thread.
The technology has been around for a while.
Anybody remember pictures of women slipping magnetic doughnuts onto wires and threading a third wire into 'em to make "core" memory?
These are refinements and cost-cutting.
Re:Not new. Imagine a roll-up screen. (Score:5, Funny)
"I told you never to call me on this wall! This is an unlisted wall!"
Playing Darts Just Became Really Expensive (Score:1)
LCD suit would be the perfect camoflauge (Score:5, Interesting)
Not going to work (Score:2)
Re:Not going to work (Score:2)
It would be enough to sample the scene around the user, and reproduce some perturbation of the image or image colours on the whole suit. If you wanted to be fancy, you could divide the suit into, say, 4 quadrants, and reproduce the sampled colours onto the opposite quadrant of the suit so you get more effective blending from viewers all around the subject.
Re:Not going to work (Score:2)
Re:Not going to work (Score:2)
>painted on it after all, merely a mess of forest-
>colors that generally blend into forest
>surroundings.
Technically, camo doesn't "blend into forest surroundings", it only breaks up the human outline that's so immediately recognizable.
Ever notice that military camo doesn't work *at all* if the person wearing it is moving?
-l
Fahrenheit 451? (Score:3, Interesting)
Holy buh-jeezus! Did anyone else read Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury?
It was scary enough when they brought out those flat-panel plasma screens (not that I'm complaining), but now that you could paint all 4 walls w/ television screens...
This combined with the advent of Aibo (remeber the mechanical dog in the firehouse?), seems to me Bradbury was dead on.
Re:Fahrenheit 451? (Score:1, Redundant)
Heh, apparently you forgot this is Slashdot...
Re:Fahrenheit 451? (Score:2)
Bill Gates even has something similar to this in his house, I believe, where the walls are screens that can be changed to display whatever is wanted. Or maybe he just wanted them to be. (From The Road Ahead).
Re:Fahrenheit 451? (Score:2)
Now, fellow geeks, we'd better start memorizing the books.
Email on your sleeve? (Score:4, Funny)
Just great, the next MS email virus is going to spam my shirt sleeve with "--> IDIOT HERE -->" text to let everyone know I'm not using a secure email client
I know where windows is going.... (Score:1)
How about Tattoos? (Score:2)
Embed this into skin, you could have targeted ads on your forehead. Your coworker needs a shower; your forehead displays 'Speedstick. By Mennen.'
C'mon Madison Ave! This is needed!
I can't wait... (Score:2)
Walls (Score:3, Interesting)
Damn, now I'm just staring at my boring cube walls and monitor for the rest of the day. Thanks
my dream (Score:2)
(Yeah its already possible with LCD projectors, but an LCD wall is much cooler!)
More fun for hackers.... (Score:2, Funny)
Oh the endless possibilities.
Re:More fun for hackers.... (Score:2)
Oh the endless possibilities.
Uhmmm... isn't the purpose of a practical joke like this to embarrass the receiver?
You've got to remember that this is the era of the "I'm with Stupid -->" T-Shirts and "Tittie Inspector" caps. These might be effective on my grandmother, but not always a parent of cousin. It certainly would scare my sisters or me. It would greatly amuse my neice and nephews. To put it bluntly, if you could imagine somebody paying $15 for a T-Shirt or $40 for pants then it wouldn't make a great practical joke. As for the "naked backside" line of clothing, have we forgotten the "naked apron" line of wear?
Where's the backlight? (Score:2)
Has anyone has seen the iPaq without the backlight on (which is by far the best non-backlit LCD I've seen)? It is still unusable in non-office lighting conditions. And that is a best case scenario.
A Dream (Score:2)
Not only does some type of display technology become printable, but so do the circuits. (I think I had this dream soon after the
In short, it becomes possible to "print" an entire PDA onto your wrist. Sort of like a tatoo wristwatch. In fact, in the dream, they become so useful that everyone must have one. The printable display can even fashion various barcodes on the display briefly for scanning.
Only problem is that the PDA wears off after about a month and you've got to get another one printed on. They are fairly cheap to re-print each month. About $30 or so. But some people cannot afford this.
For those who can't afford one, corporate sponsorship can be obtained. As payment for a basic PDA on your wrist, you let them print a color animated advertising banner onto your forehead.
clear walls! (Score:2)
Re:clear walls! (Score:2, Interesting)
Always wanted a programmable globe (Score:4, Interesting)
Cool Idea - (Score:2)
Seriously, though, I once saw a spherical jigsaw puzzle globe from a company that would send you updated pieces when borders changed.
You've motivated me to go and see what the latest Xearth programs are like - RedHat used to include it years ago and it was a cool program - lots of configurable options beyond the defaults. I wonder if it's been updated with those great satellite images I saw here a month or so ago...
Off to google...
Jim in Tokyo
xplanet rocks! (Score:3, Informative)
Slick stuff.
-Isaac
wearable e-mail (Score:3, Funny)
Well, I know where the e-mail SPAM would appear... :-)
LCD body paint as makeup (Score:2)
"I'll be staying on Mars, two weeks... two weeks... two weeks..."
Cleaning your LCD suit (Score:2)
I'm sure that where to put what app will be a trial and error thing, for a while, gut my real question is:
How will you wash the damn thing?
Reminds me of a story I read the other day in a fashion magazine (don't ask) about someone taking an expensive skirt to the dry cleaners and coming back to find it standing up in a corner.
The manufacturer hadn't bothered to mention that the skirt was almost pure plastic.
Also at newscientist (Score:2, Informative)
still waiting for "electronic ink" (Score:2)
Whats the difference techincally and commercially between this new product and e-ink?
Illustrated Man (Score:2)
Combine the suit(or the bodypaint version), a very fast wireless connection, solar power, a P2P app and no off switch and you get the Illustrated man.
Hook him into a survilence network and watch the fun.
SD
One Step closer to my Dream Car. (Score:2, Funny)
OLED Paint? (Score:2, Interesting)
Running naked under your predator suit ... cute ;) (Score:2, Interesting)
Of course since it will have to be skin tight to work efficiently that means running naked under that transparent film
Which leads to the inevitable question... (Score:2, Funny)
Light of Other Days (Score:2)
Obvious first application: (Score:2)
Blast! (Score:2, Funny)
3d screens (Score:2, Interesting)
Not sure if this is useful for anything ( a globe maybe?) but it sure is cool.
Ooh, terra-form maps! that would be useful.
piece!
Paintable LCD's and Blonde Jokes (Score:3, Funny)
Q: How do you tell if a blonde is using a computer:
A: There's white-out on the screen
Geek joke
Q:How do you tell if a geek is writing on a piece of paper.
A:There's screen on his white-out.
Where was this two years ago? (Score:2)
Re:Another great idea we'll never see (Score:1)
A color-changing tattoo would be so nice, especially if I could switch it off so I can actually a job AND have a tattoo on my face.
I did read that in the OMNI 1985 Guide to the Future so it MUST come true!
And here's (Score:1, Funny)
Re:What happens during a power outage? CLOTHES! (Score:2)
I'd be slighly more concerned with my pants suddenly turning transparent...