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North Pole is Leaving Canada 406

Dedekind writes: "CNN.com is posting this story on the drifting of the Magnetic North Pole. Not only is the pole shifting from a spot just North of Resolute, Canada, Canadian scientists expect it to end up in Siberia within the next half-century. Perhaps the most interesting part of the story (which really is only a small part at the end) is that many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children. "
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North Pole is Leaving Canada

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  • by wiredog ( 43288 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:25PM (#3194763) Journal
    Most, if not all, topographic maps have the difference between True north and magnetic north noted on them. This is so that people navigating by compass don't get lost. If the magnetic pole is moving that fast, then the maps are going to have to be updated much more frequently.
    • by Boulder Geek ( 137307 ) <archer@goldenagewireless.net> on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:47PM (#3194939)
      This is very old news. The NMP has been known to drift for pretty much as long as there have been compasses. The magnetic declination on topo maps has always been out of date, usually from the moment they've been printed. For example, I've had people tell me that the magnetic declination in the Rocky Mountain Front Range is 17 deg E (based on topos), when in fact it is currently close to 0 (I'm too lazy to look up current coordinates ;-). It may very well have been 17 deg in 1903, but the pole has drifted considerably since then!

      The article also makes it clear that the odds are poor that it will actually end up in Siberia, as the pole has never followed a straight line, and the rate of movement has always been unpredictable.

    • maps are going to have to be updated much more frequently.

      Probably a good idea. I was doing some recent work with plotting GPS tracks on USGS topo maps [boonedocks.net]. These maps, which I downloaded from the web, stated that they had been made in 1964 and last updated in 1976!

    • Where it's been (Score:5, Informative)

      by Wanker ( 17907 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @01:01PM (#3195012)
      For the more visually inclined, I ran across this plot of the movement of magnetic north since 1831 [uoguelph.ca].

    • The maps really don't have to be updated. True north is not magnetic north.


      What has to be updated are navigation systems that use magnetic north and calculate the true north based on magnetic variance.

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      • by fishboy ( 81833 )
        yes, i'll disagree with you.

        there are things that a compass can do (gasp!) that gps can't, like taking bearings off of other objects to figure out what they are on the map and the inverse, plotting courses from the map and sighting them to the real world.

        sure, a gps can give you a rough arrow on an LCD display of which way to go, but a compass can tell you precisely (within a half degree) of the direction over a long distance in very little time. who wants to keep looking at the gps all the time? with a compass, sight once, walk or canoe several kilometres, sight again.

        and it's technology overload. in most circumstances a compass is more than enough and does the job faster with the same (necessary) accuracy. i don't *need* to know within a metre where i am, i only need to know within a hundred metres, and even that is overkill sometimes.

        i also believe that the gps offers a false sense of security, that people believe that they won't be able to get lost without it.

        and then there's the whole nature/tech separation which is the whole reason people go outside in the first place, to get away from the gadgets. i don't even like tripping with my watch.

        my two cents. i'm sure they have a billion applications.

      • by payslee ( 123537 ) <paysleeNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @07:54PM (#3197552)

        To join the objections bandwagon: My biggest issue with GPS is that it doesn't work reliably under tree cover or in canyons, something most manufacturers don't go out of their way to advertise. In the Pacific Northwest, where I do most of my hiking, this means GPS isn't that useful. I mean, it can be sort of fun, and you can download maps and see a little "X marks the spot" right on the trail where you're standing, but I would *never* leave my compass at home.

        My favorite example of this was a 4 day outing I did last summer. Two of my friends brought their new GPS toys to play with, and were placing bets on which was better. Due to terrain and heavy tree cover, they were only able to get a reading from one spot the first day. Two spots on the second, and from nowhere (except the parking lot) on the last two days.

        Map and compass are easy to master, cheap, always reliable, and weigh less than two ounces. Sure, you can bring your GPS, but I'm still not leaving my compass at home.

    • by md17 ( 68506 )
      The difference between magnetic and true north is called declination. Some maps even say how much the declination changes per year. Here [geocities.com] is a nice FAQ about declination which includes a section about how to determine declination. More information about declination Here [geo-orbit.org].
    • I'm wondering if magnetic north is becoming less and less important. I use true north when I'm navigating, cause that's why my GPS gives.
  • to conceive my children, I like doing it anywhere!
    :D
  • I just wonder what makes people think that the pole is special enough so that they want to conceive their children there. I mean, would they think their fluids would be at their best, or the magnetism would only attract good genes?
    • Re:Hm... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gilroy ( 155262 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:40PM (#3194889) Homepage Journal
      Blockquoth the poster:

      I just wonder what makes people think that the pole is special enough so that they want to conceive their children there.


      Magnetic fields, like electric fields, are the modern equivalent of leprechauns, fairies, and demons. For the typical layperson, they are invisible, subtle, and inexplicable. The people going to the North Pole to conceive are the spiritual descendants of those who waited on midsummer's eve in the sacred grove. Since it's something they can't see and don't understand, it must be powerful.
      • In California, the power companies lease the land under the high-power lines to things like nursuries and christmas tree farms. Why travel to the North Pole to get it on if they could just as easily root around in a christmas tree farm? Wear some metal on the right spot and traverse a flux line the right way and your woman really will shoot lightning out of her ass! (Or the man will...yech)

        I'm betting the dried, sharp pine needles can be a turn off.


        • In California, the power companies lease the land under the high-power lines to things like nursuries and christmas tree farms.

          Hmmmm....

          With all those high voltage lines, do you think they'd mind much if my "farm" consisted of lots of inductive loops with which to scrounge some electricity?

      • A corollary theory is that people tend to connect two inexplicable phenomena. At my college, a lot of Computer Science and Physics types referred to this as "Northrip's Law" in honor of the theory's leading proponent, the dearly departed professor John Northrip.

        One of his favorite examples was that people don't understand gravity, and they don't understand magnetism, so UFOs must be powered by gravity engines.

    • I just wonder if they do this to avoid buying Alex Chiu's immortality devices [alexchiu.com].
  • Well, I had to be the one to say it... "Hell people, there isn't really that much to do up that far North but copulate!"
  • The honeymooners did not make the trip, but other couples, also believing that the location nurtures fertility, have chartered small planes to the forbidden spot, set up tents on the ice and conducted their business.

    Its a wonder you don't find slummy hotels with free porno channels at the spot...
  • So, if the north pole is shifting that far, that fast... will the Canadian children see any change in Santa's normal delivery schedule? I can only assume he'd be a little later than normal, seeing as how Siberia is quite a flight from Northern Canada.
    • ... seeing as how Siberia is quite a flight from Northern Canada.

      Yeah, about an hour or two by air depending on how and where you plan to land. Stop looking at those silly Mercator Projection maps and get something that shows northern latitudes a bit more accurately, or invest in a globe.

  • Let's just hope that north pole doesn't head into any nuclear weapons testing zones up in Siberia... we could be looking at some pretty freaky looking babies!
  • by Ryan_Terry ( 444764 ) <[moc.liamtoh] [ta] [jmfpudessem]> on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:30PM (#3194802)
    ...or airport painting crews will be staffing up:

    Magnetic North Keeps Moving [netlondon.com]

  • I won't be able to write Santa Claus anymore at

    Santa Claus
    North Pole
    Canada, HOH0H0 ...?

    Then again, maybe that's not such a bad thing. This past Giftmas my boyfriend wrote him asking for his list of naughty girls. Thankfully all he got back was a form letter. ;)

  • that's not bad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by laserjet ( 170008 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:32PM (#3194811) Homepage
    This is just a natural movement of the pole, that's what it does.

    Does anyone else remember from college how the poles just flip every million years or so, and no one really knows why? That whay *I* am worried about. the poles moving just a little bit is fine with me.

    but if the poles just flipped, imagine what chaos it would cause. Would we have to relabel all the maps that are made? Many airplanes could not fly (with older instrumentation). Thankfully, GPS should still work..

    Here's the main point of the article for those too lazy to click and read:

    If the pole follows its present course, it will pass north of Alaska and arrive in Siberia in a half century, but Newitt cautioned that such predictions could prove wrong. "Although it has been moving north or northwest for a hundred years, it is not going to continue in that direction forever. Its speed has increased considerably during the past 25 years, and it could just as easily decrease a few years from now," the geophysicist said. The erratic pole can jump around considerably each day, but migrates on average about 10 kilometers to 40 kilometers each year.
    • Don't worry about the navigational chaos drifting magnetic poles cause, just think what would happen if the North Magnetic Pole ended up on the Equator somewhere.

      Would Santa and his elves relocate to Central America? Christmas in Bermuda?
      • Would Santa and his elves relocate to Central America? Christmas in Bermuda?

        Santa would be at the true north pole.

        BTW, I've heard people say that the true north pole is actually part of Canada as well. Maps such as this one [atlas.gc.ca] show Canada's territory extending to the true north pole, but one might expect the infinitesimally small point to be divided between Canada, Russia, Norway, and Denmark (Greenland). Is the true north pole really part of The True North Strong And Free?
    • Re:that's not bad (Score:2, Informative)

      by Verteiron ( 224042 )
      15 seconds of Google research will tell you that the pole reversal is thought to take 1000 years or so to complete. So it's not like you'll wake up some morning and magnetic North will suddenly be South.
    • Re:that's not bad (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Fweeky ( 41046 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:42PM (#3194904) Homepage
      > Does anyone else remember from college how the poles just flip every million years or so

      No, that was far too advanced for my college :)

      I'm not so bothered by it flipping; I'm bothered by the suggestions that in the process of flipping the field weakens and practically disappears.

      It's one thing to think "N is S, and S is now N", it's quite another to think "my compass is useless, and I'm probably going to get cancer from the next solar mass ejection because there's no magnetic field to offset all those high energy particles".
    • Re:that's not bad (Score:5, Interesting)

      by gilroy ( 155262 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:50PM (#3194960) Homepage Journal
      Blockquoth the poster:

      but if the poles just flipped, imagine what chaos it would cause


      The orientation of the field doesn't really matter too much. I mean, we'd have to relabel compasses, etc., but no big deal.


      But ... during the reversal, the magnetic field actually fades to (essentially) zero, and does so for a noticeable length of time. In that circumstance, the Van Allen Belts disappear and the surface no longer has its usual protection from solar wind, cosmic rays, etc. That's the time to worry.

      • Does anyone else remember from college how the poles just flip every million years or so, and no one really knows why

      It's 250,000 years [raytheon.com], and (some people will tell you) the field is winding down a bit right now, which is rather a bad thing unless you happen to have a cosmic ray proof bunker.

  • Can we blame it ?
  • by Anonymous Canadian ( 165757 ) <rick&rickharris,org> on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:32PM (#3194818)
    First the Canadian dollar heads south, then the north pole heads north.

    Soon enough our beer will start tasting like that weak, watery American beer.

  • by fruey ( 563914 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:35PM (#3194836) Homepage Journal
    ...post comments about the conception part, and watch 50% or more of posts go on about their kids being conceived there, shagging in ice and all that.

    The CNN article, apart from giving fodder to go on about Arctic Sex, is uninteresting. Nothing scientific about it, just pure, watered down, stretched out simple fact.

    You could write it like this:
    The North Pole is moving. People might go and look at it. Some even conceive there.

    That's it.
  • The Mag Pole is moving all the time. There is absoutely no way to predict for certain where it may go next.
    Apparently CNN takes pure speculation as predicting the future. It could just as easily end up in Atlanta, or (as has happened before in Earth's history) abruptly switch polarity and end up in Chile or the South Pole.

    "... The honeymooners did not make the trip, but other couples, also believing that the location nurtures fertility, have chartered small planes to the forbidden spot, set up tents on the ice and conducted their business. ..."

    Umm, that's "forbidding", not "forbidden". Go there anytime ya want.
  • by maggard ( 5579 ) <michael@michaelmaggard.com> on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:37PM (#3194858) Homepage Journal
    ...many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children
    Many?

    What - 5, 6? Perhaps a dozen a season? On a planet of 6 billion folks that's "many"? That isn't even a lot compared to any other notable location: How many kids have been conceived within a few km of Niagara Falls by honeymooners? Or what about all of the Asian folks intentionally born in supposedly "lucky" years?

    By the way, for only having 200 fulltime inhabitants tourism is a major industry in Resolute Bay with 4 hotels, several charter airline services and a number of tour operators. That the occasional couple decides gave a go at it near the magnetic pole is hardly surprising nor are the numbers unexpected.

  • by switcha ( 551514 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:39PM (#3194869)
    adjust your compass daily

    "Hello OnStar, how may I help you Mr. Jones?"

    "I think I'm lost. I need to get downtown. Can you tell me where I am?"

    "It says you are 10 miles out in the Pacific, Mr. Jones. Do you need assistance?"


    • "Hello OnStar, how may I help you Mr. Jones?"

      "I think I'm lost. I need to get downtown. Can you tell me where I am?"

      "It says you are 10 miles out in the Pacific, Mr. Jones. Do you need assistance?"


      Poor Batman. The Joker's gonna have a hayday with this one.
  • It has been drifting nothward for decades

    This line just hits me as inherently funny, given the subject.

    The slashdotted site became more slashdotted
    CmdrTaco REALLY starting liking anime
    ACs posted even stupider comments including the word stupider...

    I KNOW, I KNOW...magnetic vs. true, etc. But its still funny
  • This is slightly OT but I love reading this site for the pages about the various towns up in the Canadian arctic...here is the one on Resolute [arctictravel.com].

    They even have an ISP [polarnet.ca] up in Nunavut...in fact Wired had an article [wired.com] about net access up there in the permafrost.

    - adam

  • read the headline and think they were on BBSpot [bbspot.com] for a second?
  • by jc42 ( 318812 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:43PM (#3194915) Homepage Journal
    When you consider that the main effect of the Earth's magnetic field is to channel high-energy charged particles down to those two points on the surface, I'd think that you wouldn't want to hang out there for long, much less conceive a child there. Just think of the likely effects of all those charged particles zipping through your body. Some of the would be bound to hit the DNA in the ovum, sperm and blastula.

  • by klaun ( 236494 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:47PM (#3194941)
    An article [sciam.com] with more information is available at Scientific American [sciam.com].

    It, however, does not contain any information about couples going to the north pole to conceive children. According to some [york.sch.uk], it's actually harder to conceive at the North Pole.

    • it's actually harder to conceive at the North Pole.


      Well duh! Could it be the SUB-ZERO temprature! With the frank all shriveled and the beans hiding in the abodomen - it is hard to conceive of conceiving in those conditions.
  • by new death barbie ( 240326 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:49PM (#3194951)
    the North Pole did NOT cite lower taxes or better living conditions as the reason for the move.


    "It's the in-laws," he explained, "sometimes I can only take so much."

    "Sometimes a little distance is a good thing."

  • by athakur999 ( 44340 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @12:56PM (#3194990) Journal
    So what, does this mean "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" is now just "Rudolph the Red"?
  • Will this make it harder to see Northern Lights in Canada, and easier to see them in Siberia?

  • ...how people are going to be able to blame it on Bill Clinton.
  • With the taxes [slashdot.org] on digital storage I would leave Canada too.
  • Clearly, this is related to global warming, the ozone hole, and all other evils created by White Men.

    REDUCE FOSSIL FUEL USE TO SAVE THE NORTH POLE!

    -jon

  • by Gannoc ( 210256 )
    many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children.

    Many couples are pretty stupid.
  • Don't pay attention to what they say the reasons are. It's the taxes.

  • From what I've read, every time the poles have shifted there has been a great period of mutation/evolution, since the magnetic shield that protects us from solar radiation is weakend or dissappears completely until the pole settles into its new position. I think the next one or two generations will find out for sure :)

    I don't have an sources to link to of the top of my head, anyone else?
  • Please don't tell NBC !!!

    Otherwise, they will convince god to give a magnetic north pole to both Russia and Canada.

    (now, I can read the other posts to see how many people replied that ;)

    --
  • In a follow-up story, Canadian scientists are puzzled at the problem with the North Pole moving.

    "Quite honestly, eh, we are unsure what dis is all aboot", says Dr. Ock E. Puck.

    "I doon't know why, but it's moving pretty fast now, eh"

    Canada's government is making swift efforts to entice the pole to stay. Currently in the works are:
    Tax-breaks for Tesla-enducing corporations
    Affordable shielding programs
    and a bill to allow for the marriage of poles of the same orientation.

  • Every 250,000 years or so, the whole thing reverses polarity [raytheon.com]. And it's winding down right now, which is possibly a sign that we're due for another one. Don't invest too heavily in homing pigeons. ;-)

  • many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children
    ?

    It must give the offspring a magnetic personality :)
  • In a related story, the DoJ has uncovered corporate email from top executives in Microsoft indicating that the movement of the magnetic North Pole is part of a large-scale strategic initiative to corner the navigation software industry.
    Bill Gates intends to migrate the Pole to Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, WA, at which point MS will claim corporate ownership of said pole.

    Microsoft: We'll Tell Where to Go Today.

  • There is this page with interesting info, legit theories, and pretty pictures [psc.edu]

    For a comparion of magnetic pole shift vs other theories of polar and crusty disturbance, check out this page [compuserve.com] which picks apart the psuedo science of it all. There are a lot of wacko theories on what pole shift means, and a lot of it is based on lack of evidence and mis-conceptions.

    It is intereting to note that, the earth's core is rotating faster than the surface crust [eurekalert.org] to begin with.

    There is this concern: The magnetic field acts as a shield against solar particles, etc. No field = no shield. Weak field = weak shield. This could be an issue with solar flares. Some folks are concerned that the field may be in the process of failing [eurekalert.org]

    Also, if the poles were to flip suddenly, many creatures that navigate magnetically could be affected. A full magnetic reversal could cause massive ecological problems across the whole of the Earth. If this took place slowly enough, each generation of creatures would learn to navigate with its' current situation.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Perhaps the couples are just trying to get a stronger reading to help the "needle" point "north"?

    Dear, take me to the pole!

  • Maybe he'll get over being a dual citizen like me after a few years. Since the North Pole will be in Alaska soon.

    A warning though - the US is still the only country in the world not to use metric, all the dollars are the same color, and they don't use the u in words like colour or spell centre correctly.

    On the plus side, he can cut back on all those bilingual training courses - but he might want to pick up some Spanish just in case.

    And it might take longer to make Rudolph's nose red - the beer, cider, and wine down here is awful weak to Canadian tastes.

    Wonder if he'll have any problems with the NAFTA and Free Trade forms - occupation: Santa - is that a professional skill?

    -
  • by Caractacus Potts ( 74726 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @01:45PM (#3195367)

    many couples like to go to the magnetic North Pole to conceive their children.

    I've met some people who were conceived at the North Pole. None of them seemed to have any direction in life.

  • I find it apalling that in the face of incontrivertable, indisuptable evidence that the magnetic north pole in fact moving, the industrialized nations of the world forge on in producing further electromagnet dynamos.


    From the great generating facilities in our hydroelectric plants to the tiniest servo in children's toys, our fascination with electric power that has led to these global changes must end.


    How can we in good conscience continue the use of these technologies, fully knowing their effect on our grandchildren?

  • by toupsie ( 88295 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @02:21PM (#3195573) Homepage
    This is an outrage! The movement of the magnetic North Pole is no doubt caused by the evil, big business policies of the US Republican Party. Their anti-magnetic stabilization agenda fueled by big time donations from "Special Interest Groups" is another reason that Congress should pass the Campaign Finance Reform bill currently pending. If we are not going to step up to the plate to protect the stability of the Earth's magnetic field, who will? President Bush? Please. We all know he hates the Earth and wants it destroyed today!!!

    Join Greenpeace [greenpeace.org] and save the Earth's fragile magnetic stability!!!

  • by iabervon ( 1971 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @02:25PM (#3195598) Homepage Journal
    What do they expect if they keep increasing taxes on magnetic media? The magnetic north pole is obviously going to want to move to somewhere cheaper, like Siberia.
  • So if the north pole moves over my backyard, can I sell tickets to people who want to visit it, or will it be public domain?
  • Honk. Honk. (Score:3, Funny)

    by TheFlu ( 213162 ) on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @02:29PM (#3195625) Homepage
    So when are geese gonna start flying North for the Winter?
  • First the doctors, then the nurses, then the software engineers, now the North Pole.

    Looks like EVERYONE who can is leaving Canada.

    Predictably, Jean Chretien denies that anything is wrong in any way whatsoever, and that more poles are MOVING to Canada than are leaving, resulting in a net pole gain.

    Of course, the Canadian Post Office are probably relieved by this - in a few years letters addressed to "Santa Claus" will no longer go to Canada Post - they'll be Siberia's problem. The Union is overjoyed! Less work! But they'll still strike for more money, mind.

  • does this mean we'll have a kewl place to congregate and put together some anti-dmca software, and make a few little hackers while we're at it?
  • I'm distressed to see the North Pole Navigation Services considers Russia a better place to do business. Once again our socialist policies have forced another world class Canada company to relocate to friendlier climes.

    Good God! I just realized -- we could lose the Santa Claus Toy Manufacturing plants as well!

    The ignominy of it all.

  • by Florian Weimer ( 88405 ) <fw@deneb.enyo.de> on Wednesday March 20, 2002 @03:07PM (#3195888) Homepage
    The compass needle points with its north pole end to the geographic north pole. IIRC, you call this end of the needle its "north pole" and mark it with an "N". Therefore, the magnetic pole in the northern hemisphere has to be a south pole, magnetically speaking.
    • Actually, the compass is just deliberately mislabelled, I think. It's "N" doesn't mean "this is this the needle's north end", but "this arrow is pointing to the earth's north pole" It's the compass that's labelled backwad. It's easy enough to test - get a magnet labelled as N and S, and hold it up to the compass and see how it gets affected.

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