Hack in Space 162
MelloDawg writes: "From the press release: NASA's Far Ultraviolet Spectroscopic Explorer (FUSE) spacecraft, which some had given up for dead in December after critical guidance components failed, was returned to full operations when the team developed an innovative new guidance system. The system uses a complex new set of procedures that lets controllers use electromagnets in the satellite to push and pull on the Earth's magnetic field. Details of the mission are online."
Go NASA geeks!!! (Score:2, Informative)
Finally some good news (Score:2, Interesting)
But on the other hand, it's hard to forget what NASA has been doing for the past few years. Failures and mishaps. Bugs in software. Human errors. In critical projects, in times when funding is already really hard to get.
Luckily this time, the engineers had the means and actually got something fixed - but most of the recent news have been pretty much from the opposite end of the happiness scale. Too bad this wasn't a Mars probe - it would've had a tremendous PR value for the whole Mars exploration concept.
Re:Finally some good news (Score:1)
You know, it would be really cool if they had actually planned for this eventuality. It's kind of Star Trek-like. Rerouting power to unrelated components in order to save the day was happening there long before this. I bet it'd be fun as hell to be on that team...
Re:Finally some good news (Score:1)
Or controlling something that's ON MARS. MARS!!!! That's really *%#$ing far away!!! I mean, you may think it's a long way to the grocer's and back, but that's just peanuts to space.
Re:Go NASA geeks!!! (Score:1)
Lots of really bright and dedicated people (including a certain FUSEnerd who's posted a few things here) were involved in making this happen. We're still feeling our way along, as we learn to operate with the new attitude control system.
Compass (Score:1)
The Real Deal (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The Real Deal (Score:1)
Re:The Real Deal (Score:1)
Though, you must admit that if the NASA scientists had the option of "rebooting" the satellite, they would have done that instead of coming up with a work around.
Re:The Real Deal (Score:5, Insightful)
Most often, if a system breaks in a production environment, it's imperative to get a it working again as fast as possible. Treating the symptom is paramount in a high availability situation, and while finding and resolving the cause is of course important, it takes an immediate back seat to getting the system back into production. If you can do both at once then that's grand. If not, then you restart the daemons or reboot the server once you've deemed it safe to do so.
Then, armed with log files and information gathered while the system was on error, you can go back through and trace the cause. Even better, you can duplicate the issue on a staging server. What you do NOT do is leave the system down for any reason one second longer than you have to, no matter how much the urge to tinker grabs you.
On the other side of the coin, diagnosing a problem on trivial or near-trivial system is a waste of your valuable time. Why the hell, except for fun, would you diagnose a BSOD issue on a secretary's computer when you could just back up her home directory, restore an image, then restore her personal files?
Obviously, every situation is different, but there are times when inexperienced techs will spend a day searching for the cause of a trivial problem instead of getting back to work.
Taking the time to root out a deep problem instead of just hitting the reset button is most often a luxury.
Re:The Real Deal (Score:2, Insightful)
Some operating systems don't suffer "file rot" like Windows where the OS becomes so decrepit that it HAS to be reimaged after only a few months.
Sure, experience counts in this (most MCSEs aren't worth the paper they're printed on since they lack true field experience), but, honestly, an operating system shouldn't bugger out at the frequency that Windows does (pick one, even XP, which I watched BSOD on national TV a few times recently) anymore than a car does.
Considering that NASA likely makes their OWN operating systems or variants of UNIX to handle probes lends more to their skill when the chips are down/burned/otherwise offline.
I'm not trying to flame, but this "reimage" mentality in Windows IT always chaps my ass. UNIX users look at us as if we grew a third eye for such procedures. It's easy to reimage a secretary's system, but some computer users have more complex environments that "cloned OS"s don't cover. Ask a specialized prepress or scientific user. Recovery and redundancy measures are needed, but your example doesn't cover these kind of users.
Re:The Real Deal (Score:1)
Re:The Real Deal (Score:1)
NO WINDOWS MACHINES AT THIS SITE.
Ummm... (Score:2)
Didn't the scientists actually get the satellite up and running as fast as possible? What would you have had them do, get a really long stick and push it?
The problem is not that you need to push the big button in the sky sometimes. The problem is developing a mentality that says that rebooting the server "fixes" the problem. Rebooting the server is palliative. It keeps people from taking preventative and prophylactic measures. This attitude and its destructiveness are lamentably common in business.
Re:The Real Deal (Score:2, Insightful)
you see, in the NT world, resetting the system DOES fix the problem (the problem being that the system has been up too long and needs a reboot). but in the UNIX world, if a problem develops, you normally need to look into it a little deeper and fix it so it doesn't come back and haunt you.
Re:The Real Deal (Score:2)
Re:The Real Deal (Score:1)
In fact I think all of the registered posters are each true.
It is all a matter of the resources available. Things get done right or not. Money gets spent to do things right or not. Paying salaries costs money. Not having people to do the work costs. Hardware costs, not buying hardware costs. Not buying software costs. Training costs, not training costs.
Here are the worst: Knowledge gained and then lost. Knowledge communicated and then still proceeding down the wrong path. Just plain incorrect thinking by management and/or workers. Companies fail from these. Knowledge (techies?) can be thought of as another resource.
What makes the world go around? People, time, resources.
I think I read too much...
Re:The Real Deal (Score:1)
My old boss used to call this "lobotomizing" a server.
Re:magnets .... (I wish it were that simple!) (Score:1)
The title (Score:2, Funny)
Damn, NASA is cool... (Score:1)
-Adam
Re:Damn, NASA is cool... (Score:1)
It'd do them a lot of good.
Re:Damn, NASA is cool... (Score:1)
Yes. It did.
The fade at the end from soaring model rocket to roaring shuttle engines does it for me.
blah (Score:1, Offtopic)
here i am posting on slashdot, just remembering unplugging the printer before I took it apart and not pluggging it back in...
fuck it, i'm off to a bar. THANKS NASA! first you ruin my dreams of being an astronaut (at 6'5" I am too tall) and now you rob me of my manhood... or geekness... call it either way.
[OT]Re:blah (Score:1, Flamebait)
As opposed to 2 am in the afternoon?
Comments aren't important? (Score:1)
Thanks for the laugh.
Re:[OT]Re:blah (Score:1)
If you hadn't posted it, I would have. Grammar nazis unite!
Ahem. (Score:2)
Should that not be "Grammar Nazis unite!" instead?
Virg
So.... (Score:2, Funny)
So when it broke the first time... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:So when it broke the first time... (Score:2, Informative)
Actually (Score:2)
Virg
Where to put angular momentum (Score:5, Informative)
A basic problem in satellite stabilization is how to get rid of unwanted angular momentum. There are a few options.
You can throw away something. Usually this is reaction mass from a small rocket, or just compressed gas. Weights on the ends of cables that unwind and break free have been used to despin satellites.
You can store angular momentum in an inertia wheel, which is a flywheel on a motor. This doesn't get rid of angular momentum; it just stores it as long as you keep the wheel spinning. Eventually, you hit the maximum motor speed and can't do anything more in that axis. So it's also necessary to have some way to drain off angular momentum, even if very slowly.
You can couple to a gravity gradient. This is done with a long pole aimed towards a nearby planet. The difference between the gravity at the ends of the pole is tiny, but enough that if you get the thing pointed down and stable, it usually stays that way. Only good for one axis, of course.
You can couple to a planetary magnetic field, like these guys are doing. Again, only good for one axis, but it's a different one than the gravity gradient. It's a weak effect, but stronger than the gravity gradient.
You can put out sails and get reaction forces from solar energy. This gets talked about a lot, but isn't done much.
All of these are known techniques. It sounds like this satellite had four inertia wheels and an electromagnet for torquing against a planetary magnetic field. The plan was presumably to maneuver with the inertia wheels, and slowly drain off unwanted angular momentum with the magnetic torquer.
With two inertia wheels down, there are still three torquing devices available, so control of orientation is theoretically possible. Tough, but possible. It's impressive that they made it work.
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:5, Informative)
Specifically, it was used to de-spin the satellite from almost 18 RPM down to the desired 5 RPM.
Some more relevant quotes I found while looking around on the web about AO-40's system:
From http://www.amsat-dl.org/journal/adlj40ge.htm [amsat-dl.org]
Magnetorquer In the satellite, several electro-magnets, also named magnetorquer, are distributes that can be used in the interplay with the Earth's magnetic field close to perigee for the attitude-control of the satellite. The satellite acts as the rotor of an electric motor while the magnet-field of the Earth forms the stator. The process of this movement is named as magnetorquing. With the magnetorquing, the flight-attitude of the satellite and the spin-speed can be changed during perigee-passes.
From http://www.rac.ca/spacenws.htm [www.rac.ca]:
The onboard magnetorquing system--which consists of solenoid coils--makes use of Earth's magnetic field to control the spacecraft's spin and orientation. Magnetorquing is most effective when Earth's magnetic field is strongest, so it typically only takes place at perigee--when the satellite is closest to the Earth. Ground controllers have been making incremental adjustments during each perigee.
I also remember someone saying that this was somewhat "experimental" on AO-40. I can't find a quote though...
I agree fully that it's good to see the NASA engineers thinking "Well it's broke, we can't send someone up to fix it, so what can we do to make it work?" What I would like to know is who came up with the original idea (pre AO-40, or this satellite). It sure doesn't seem like the type of thing which I would have thought about when trying to figure out how to control the attitude of a spacecraft.
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:3, Funny)
Do they work on girlfriends as well?
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:3, Funny)
Do they work on girlfriends as well?
This has been an extremely dificult question to answer. It could only be tested by someone who has one of each.
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Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:1)
Do they work on girlfriends as well?
If your girlfriend is large enough that the satellite is orbitting her, you've got other problems...
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:1)
Well, I don't know who originally came up with the idea, but I do know Hughes (now Boeing) has been using magnetic torquers for 10 years. They have been incorporated into their commercial 3-axis stabilized satellites ever since they started making them.
Magnetic stabilization only good for one axis? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not really. Full 3-axis stabilization can be implemented using the Earth's magnetic field. Unlike a passive pole the magnetotorquers are active elements and the magnetic field doesn't always point down so at different parts of an orbit it can be used to control all 3 axes.
Design and Experimental Test of Magnetic-Torquer-Based 3-Axis Satellite Attitude Controllers [cornell.edu]
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:1)
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:3, Informative)
You have to know that not all satellites have their own dedicated launch vehicle with a perfectly controlled release mechanism - first by the last stage of the launch vehicle and then by the S/C itself.
In fact, the majority of satellites share a ride with other satellites. The satellites are in fact clamped to the last stage of the launch vehicle. At the moment of separation so called piro bolt cutters (in fact an anvil propelled by a small amount of explosive to cut through the bolts) will cut through the bolts fixing the satellite to it and a passive spring loaded mechanism (in most cases) will slowly and safely push the satellite on its way.
It is this initial release from the last stage that causes the initial angular momentum and there is nothing but these control mechanisms on the satellite to help 'things to settle down'.
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:2)
- Aerodynamic drag. Most satellites have all sorts of things protruding into the breeze: solar arrays, antennas, instrument booms, thermal radiators, and so on. If these protuberances are not symmetric with respect to the center of mass, then one side is pushed more than the other.
- Gravity gradient. If a spacecraft (SC) is designed to maintain a fixed orientation wrt Earth, then the designers may take advantage of this to help stabilize the SC, as has been mentioned. For maneuvering vehicles like Hubble, Ikonos etc, the GG moment on the SC varies according to the attitude. There are also higher-order gravity terms due to Earth oblateness, mass concentrations and so on. The GRACE spacecraft pair will be mapping those 'mascons' in great detail; there was something recently on AvWk about this: http://www.AviationNow.com/content/publication/aw
- Drag within the momentum wheels and other moving appendages (antennas, cameras) will tend to torque the SC over long periods of time. Probably a *very* small contribution, unless there is a malfunction in the mechanisms.
- Slow leaks of propellant, battery gases, pressurants, coolants, etc. Early in the mission, possibly even material outgassing, though generally a thermal vacuum cycle is supposed to bake this stuff off prior to launch.
- Propulsive maneuvers which raise, lower, or change the orbit plane. Usually, the propulsion force vector does not align perfectly through the center of mass. To account for this, the SC is steered to minimize the propulsive moment (think Shuttle using a single OMS engine, there is a large offset), but this steering is imperfect.
- External forces from space tethers, applied at the point of attachment to the SC. (Not an issue for FUSE.) Aero drag, gravity gradient, and electrodynamic forces can apply to the tether.
- Light pressure, Solar wind could be disturbances to consider in deep space. They're probably too small to worry about in Earth orbit.
There might be some others I've forgotten. There are some good books out there on SC design, you could search ieee.org or a technical library.
Most of the other disturbances (thermal, e.g. early Hubble solar array problem) tend to be random in direction, and would not therefore tend to affect steady state angular momentum.
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:5, Informative)
In most cases at least 3 single axis magneto-torquers are provided, one per axis and normally one extra for redundancy. They are indeed used to reduce body angular rates and to control the wheel angular momentum. The reaction wheels (or inertia wheels) of course are limited to a maximum speed and to avoid wheel saturation the magneto-torquers are used to 'dump' some excess angular momentum.
With two inertia wheels down, there are still three torquing devices available, so control of orientation is theoretically possible. Tough, but possible. It's impressive that they made it work.
Actually, in smaller LEO (Low Earth Orbit) satellites this technique has been used for years to facilitate orientation control. It is normally used to reduce the spacecraft angular rates directly after separation from the launch vehicle. Using the magneto-torquers and a magnetometer monitoring the earth's magnetic field, the spacecraft can be controlled into a stable state with the minimum of hardware and with relatively simple control algorithms.
The idea is to get the spacecraft into a stable, known state (either earth pointing or aligned with the earth's magnetic field) before the more complex systems are powered and tested. You need to be sure your star camera, reaction wheels, propulsion systems and all the other cool hardware is in a nominal state before you enable the complex control algorithms required for more accurate orientation control.
The first satellite I've worked on we could not afford the more expensive magneto-torquers (compact electro magnetic rods) and instead opted for a self made magnetic coil without the assistance of ferrite material. Basically just a very long copper wire rolled into a coil and fixed to the frame of the solar panel (one coil per axis). Crude, but it had the desired effect!
What is really impressive is that they've managed to achieve this level of pointing accuracy with a system intended to achieve only basic orientation control and for desaturation of the reaction wheels.
Re:Where to put angular momentum (Score:3, Interesting)
Read all about it - here [cstone.net]
Nice Hack, HAMs do it for years (Score:2, Informative)
Magnet Joke (Score:1)
I find you very attractive.
NASA's troubles (Score:3, Interesting)
Second, to people bemoaning the absense of mars missions and moon bases. Why go? Can we learn so much more by sending people that it justifies the risk and cost of doing so? These are the questions being asked. And if you think this means our motives for going to space aren't pure, think about this: would we have gone to the moon had the Russians not been trying to beat us there?
I think the best way to get American astronauts on Mars today would be to convince Bin Ladin to start a space program.
I for one wonder if NASA has perhaps outlived its usefulness. Could it perhaps persist as a regulatory body, overseeing commercial space ventures, and allowing all-to-scarce public research money to go to other areas?
The mission to Mars sounds even less appealing once you consider how much cancer / AIDS / environmental / fusion / fuel cell / quantum computing / immortality / (name your favorite project) research it would replace.
Obviously the answer is more funding for public research, but then, does anyone really see that happening?
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:4, Interesting)
We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon. . . . Not because it is easy, but because it is hard. . . . Because there is new knowledge to be gained. We shall send to the moon--240,000 miles away--from the control station in Houston, a giant rocket more than 300 feet tall, made of new metal alloys, some of which have not yet been invented . . . on an untried mission . . . on the greatest adventure. [wanadoo.nl]
Now, I'm a pretty cynical old bastard, but those words, nearly forty years on, still choke me up. To me, the defining quality of humanity is that our reach can exceed our grasp.
It's impossible (I think) to justify space exploration in any rational or economic terms. But if "because it's there" isn't justification enough, then that's a sad indicator we have become society of navel gazers and bean counters. And history shows us that societies only go one way once they've reached that stage.
You're right that the space race was based on competition. But I believe that still applies, and if we no longer want to compete, sooner or later we will be superceded by a society that does.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:2)
I agree with everything you're saying, just wanted to add an aside: who writes the history? The society that supercedes.
I'm actually very worried about our society coming to the stage of "history." The US government is passing weirder and weirder laws, which the people will rebel against, civil disobediently at first.
I liken your "navel gazers" to music industry executives -- they are looking for value in an unnatural way. I mean, against nature. Ideas are not property -- they can be shared, and then we all have them. Giving them away doesn't remove the idea from one's brain.
Including this idea -- I think it's cool that they were able to salvage the satellite, and even cooler that they told us how to do it ourselves.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually its more appealing because of just how much it could benefit these areas of research. Don't forget that the first American space program that eventually sent man to the moon was the basis for many technologies we take for granted today.
There is reason to believe that the obstacles overcome to support man living on the moon or venturing to Mars would also produce such technological findings that many seemingly unrealated areas would benefit.
I thing power production, the environment, and manfucturing would be the 3 key areas of benefit, and from them others areas would benefit as well.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:1)
Heh, I was listening to Art Bell a few weeks ago (I know, I know...forgive me, I was up late) and there was some idiot on saying that the space program could be a lot further along except that it was being held up by a Soviet-U.S. conspiracy. One of his arguments was that all the experiments being done on the shuttle are silly and useless and are just there to make it look like we're actually doing something. I had to wonder if the guy had ever even heard of Materials Science.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:2, Insightful)
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I think you miss an important effect of exploration such as this. Sometimes it's not the destination, it's the journey.
As someone else mentioned, we gained as much or more in "other" areas as we did actually achieving the goal of reaching the moon. Some of the research that was done to get us to the moon was useful to us here on earth directly. Other tidbits were byproducts of that.
But your comment is a bit like saying that while you would love to visit the UK someday you can't right now because you have laundry to do. Don't put your life on hold just to do the laundry, live a little. Pack up some of that laundry and do it with you on the way.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:2)
That's not why we went to the moon. Noble speaches, triumph of human achievement, materials science aside, we went to the moon to beat the damn Ruskies there.
The (very great) side benefits are a wonderful justification after the fact, but if the Russians were sending people down into the Marianas Trench in the Atlantic Ocean, we would have gone there instead.
I'm *not* arguing against the space program. I'm just saying that comparing the mundane modern NASA against the "glorious NASA of the past" is unfair. Our motivations in the past were rather jingoistic, and similar pressures aren't in place now.
I personally think continued exploration, if perhaps not manned exploration, would be a wonderful thing for science. But science is never what convinced congress to send us up there in the first place. Manned exploration is just too dangerous and expensive, and until colonization is a possibility, then
And as for lunar mining etc. that will happen the instance it can be demonstrated to be practical, but the costs of sending a pound of equipment to the moon and getting a pound of whatever material back are so great that unless they've got fist-sized diamonds up there, it isn't happening soon.
In an ideal world, Dupont, Nike, Intel, etc. etc. would invest in NASA since the public-domain research from the space program *directly* contributes to their profit, but likewise, it isn't happening, and they'd probably claim intellectual property.
For the meantime though, it is far easier to get money budgeted for worthy causes by giving a direct cause (cure cancer!) than something vague (tidbits of earthly biproducts!)
I'm not saying I like this reality, it's just the reality.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:1)
As with any administration, they had many other problems to deal with. Yes, it was the 1950's and men were men. Yes we did face a potential military threat and needed to stay on top of that. But the country also had a lot of other issues to deal with, not the least of which was the aftereffects of WWII and what to do about the people and economy.
In the early 1960's especially the administration was concerned not only with keeping up with technology, they were concerned with keeping the working man working and productive. They KNEW going into it that the military buildup of the cold war and the creation of a "space race" would help to that end.
Yes, the space race was about not letting those damned commies outdo us. But that was just the paint job on a total vehicle and everyone knew and expected there to be other benefits.
Even as crazy/stupid as our government is, and even in those wonderful male dominated days, common sense would not have allowed such an expensive undertaking just for the sake of a bad case of penis envy.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:1)
See
for a few examples. A lot of the stranger and more 'profitable' science that gets done through the NSA starts under the umbrella of a NASA project. There is something to be said for name recognition like NASA's when it comes Congressional belt-tightening-so-we-can-make-a-few-more-bombs time in the all to political world of publicly funded research.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:2)
I think we can mark the beginning of the end of the human spirit when the majority of people say, "Why bother."
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:1)
WE need active exploration
We need to get offa this rock.
Even if we do everything we can to recycle and reduce population and halt global warming (preceeding not a statement that these are -real- problems) someday our sun will grow to a red dwarf (or do some other un-nice thing) and we won't want to be here anymore.
Frontiers, myths, and humanity (Score:2)
We need to go because the alternative is suicide. We need to go because we are human and wish to continue to be human.
The most valuable result of the moon landing was not the scientific research, the spin-offs, or the political gain. It was the photograph of Earth as seen from the moon, just after Earthrise, taken by a human being, holding the camera.
To continue to have frontiers is more important than anything else. We could cure cancer and AIDS, fix the environment, and become immortal, and we would be nothing more than healthy, immortal apes. But the way of the explorers is a way that apes do not know, and we must keep it. At this juncture, that means deep sea exploration and space exploration, in person, not by robots.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:1)
I saw something on PI a couple of days ago that made me think about this. I don't remember the guest's quote exactly, but it went something along the lines of, "If you really believe that government funds not spent on one project will necessarily be spent on something that you find more valuable, then you don't know much about how our government works." It's not that money spent on NASA is taken away from AIDS or other socially imperative research; rather, money is not spent on research because the public will to spend money in that way is lacking. More or less money for NASA doesn't change that fact - I guarantee that money not spent on NASA will be spent on exploding cow research or a more modest frock for the Statue of Liberty instead, and not on AIDS or breast cancer research.
Re:NASA's troubles (Score:1)
Just a reminder: One of the goals of the Mars Odyssey Mission [nasa.gov] is to analyze the radiation environment [nasa.gov]. Why? To know what risks future human explorers will face, and allow scientists, engineers, and planners to make certain our human explorers are as safe as possible.
Another example, in the NASA Human Spaceflight Gallery are a series of Mars Exploration artists' concepts [nasa.gov]. Why? Let me quote: "the art work represented here serves as a comprehensive study of various concepts and ideas developed as possibilities over a period of years." People are being paid to dream of a manned mission to Mars--and are sharing that dream with us to inspire us to share that goal (and open our wallets when the time comes).
Now, I don't know about you, but what I see in these examples is a ramp-up to send actual human beings to Mars, they just haven't set it in stone yet.
For now, until the commercial potential of space exploration is realized, we need NASA to continue its efforts. We're already seeing a "boom" in space tourism, but that would not have happened without the Space Station (and the Russians willing to explore the capitalistic potential of space travel). I think for the private sector to truly get involved, we need NASA to develop the base technologies and create an infrastructure for the private sector to build upon. NASA one day may become a regulatory body along the lines of today's Department of Transportation, but that time has yet to arrive.
Powerful magnets (Score:2, Funny)
In space, noone can hear you scream.
from the paperclips-and-chewing-gum dept? (Score:2, Funny)
Yet Another Star Trek Moment (Score:3, Funny)
So, reversing the polarity really DOES work!
Re:Yet Another Star Trek Moment (Score:2)
If it was Star Trek they would have just run a level 3 diagnostic.
Re:Yet Another Star Trek Moment (Score:1)
They would have remodulated the magnetic torquer bars and then run a level 3 diagnostic if it didn't work. :)
Re:Yet Another Star Trek Moment (Score:1)
Yet Another Trekkie Moment (Score:2)
Think, people, think!
Virg
Re:Yet Another Trekkie Moment (Score:2)
Re:Yet Another Trekkie Moment (Score:1)
Making the main deflector emit a tachyon pulse is only good for finding cloaked vessels nearby :)
Safe Mode (Score:2, Funny)
Arrrgh! Bill is everywhere!
Safe mode?!?! (Score:2, Funny)
Don't tell me it's running Windows!
Re:Safe mode?!?! (Score:1)
Re:Safe mode?!?! (Score:1)
The remaining wheels are still used (Score:5, Insightful)
What the article omits is that the fine pointing accuracy is achieved using the magneto-torquers in combination with the two still operational reaction wheels. From the original NASA press release [slashdot.org] (dated 14 Dec 01) where the anomalies with the two reaction wheels were reported the strategy was laid out to rescue the science mission:
One of the new control mode concepts being investigated is to use the two operational reaction wheels in conjunction with the satellite's magnetic torquer bars to provide control in all three axes. The magnetic torquer bars are presently used to manage the momentum of the reaction wheels by applying a torque on the satellite against the Earth's magnetic field. The torques necessary to make up for the failed wheel would be in addition to that required for momentum management. This is well within the capability of the magnetic torquer bars.
What they probably managed to do is to use the two remaining wheels to do the fine pointing but the satellite will tend to slowly spin 'of course' lacking the two other wheels to compensate. By bringing the torquers into the loop they cancel the spin and attain the fine pointing.
It is nowhere mentioned but I wonder if they can maintain the pointing accuracy long enough to get maximum exposure time. Since they've said that the spacecraft has been restored to full operations I guess it is not a problem.
I'm not trying to take anything away of what they achieved, only to clarify what is omitted from the article (possibly not to make it too technical I guess). It still is an impressive feat and indeed a super hack!
Broken link (Score:2)
Re:The remaining wheels are still used (Score:3, Informative)
What they probably managed to do is to use the two remaining wheels to do the fine pointing but the satellite will tend to slowly spin ?of course? lacking the two other wheels to compensate. By bringing the torquers into the loop they cancel the spin and attain the fine pointing.
Actually, not quite. The roll and "skew" wheels are the ones that still work fine. The new design allows the torquer bars to correct an axis that is basically perpendicular to the roll and skew directions, which is sort of diagonal across the science apertures.
It turns out that although the torquer bars are not designed for fine control (their control bandwidth is 15 times lower than the reaction wheels), the satellite is also heavy compared to the MTB's torque. So, the pointing stability is in fact quite good, and the jitter is not much worse than what we had before... as long as the satellite is not pointed in a part of the sky where gravity gradient disturbances are strong.
Re:The remaining wheels are still used (Score:2)
It turns out that although the torquer bars are not designed for fine control (their control bandwidth is 15 times lower than the reaction wheels), the satellite is also heavy compared to the MTB's torque. So, the pointing stability is in fact quite good, and the jitter is not much worse than what we had before... as long as the satellite is not pointed in a part of the sky where gravity gradient disturbances are strong.
An oversight on my part ;-) I have only worked on the smaller variants of satellites (100kg to 500kg) - dwarfed by the FUSE of course! The smaller sized S/C poses interesting problems at times. E.g. on one satellite the imager had its own stepper moter used to rotate the optics to enable stereo imaging (scanning the earth's surface from different angles). The dynamics of the small stepper moter had to be considered in the control loop as it had a gyro effect on the rest of the S/C due to the satellites relative small size (about 80kgs if I recall correctly)!
Amusing Timing... (Score:2)
Sorry. It's 4 in the morning and I'm all out of American Dew...
This is NO BIG DEAL (Score:1)
Re:This is NO BIG DEAL (Score:2, Insightful)
The reason it is a VBD is that every space program in the world right now needs some positive press. Everyone has been so focused on the negative thing, and there have been a lot of negative things, that we've lost sight of even the small successes.
So let's make a big deal of an old trick, pat these guys on the back for being smart enough to dust off the trick and use it, and give them a bit more encouragement to do it better next time.
Otherwise I worry there wont' be a next time.
Hard to imagine (Score:1)
Fuse and Hopkins (Score:1)
Re:Fuse and Hopkins (Score:1)
Other universities do control satellites as well. UC Berkeley ran EUVE (reentered at the end of January), as well a spacecraft called FAST and the newly launched HESSI [berkeley.edu]
There may be others but I don't know.
Re:Fuse and Hopkins (Score:1)
Re:Fuse and Hopkins (Score:1)
What ever happened to (Score:2)
A NASA Ultraviolet Spectroscopic Satellite uses complex procedures for guidance. What ever happened to controling a satellite with smoke signals?
Re:What ever happened to (Score:2)
A NASA Ultraviolet Spectroscopic Satellite uses complex procedures for guidance
What I still don't understand is how they rotate it back out of the imaginary plane. I would think you'd try and stay away from it altogether since you might hit a stray pole.
NASA and Russian Programme (Score:2)
Maybe I should go into the space-tape buiness, or selling external aftermarket thrusters to keep this shit in space.
I am really suprised NASA is in as bad a shape as it is, The Military can use space as the ultimate high ground, cmon the AF even has space figter training in progress, where are the damm ships and when will these efforts pay off in the comercial sector ?
The moon missions were singulary one of the greatest technical feats ever accomplished, more research and commercial products were born from the Appolo missions thatn any other goverment venture sending us YEARS ahead of our competiton , only for what ? To sit on our asses and never rise above 30 year old shuttle designs ?
I wonder... (Score:1)
My favorite space hack (Score:4, Informative)
There was a rash of apogee kick motor failures, and in this particular satellite the motor failed, leaving the satellite in a uselessly ellipitical orbit. There were small thrusters on the satellite which were to be used for station-keeping (small orbital adjustments) but it didn't have nearly enough propellant to raise the perigee. Hughes finally abandoned the satellite.
But one engineer refused to give up. It turns out that the transfer orbit paradigm above is the probably most efficient path in a single-planet system, but Earth has this anomolously large, close, Moon. And while there wasn't nearly enough fuel to get raise the perigee to geosynchronous altitude, there was more than enough fuel to raise the apogee out to lunar orbit. He was given permission to try to rescue the satellite.
In the end, two passes by the moon were made, each raising the perigee somewhat and lowering the inclination of the orbit. The remaining fuel in the satellite was used to lower the apogee back to the geosynchronous orbit altitude, but unfortunately the inclination couldn't be brought down quite to zero, so the satellite isn't in its desired orbit even today. Still, it's in an orbit where some use can be derived from it.
The satisfying conclusion to this story would be that all geosynchronous satellites are launched this way, now. Unfortunately, you can't mess with the status quo to that extent; and satellites are still, in the main, launched the old transfer-orbit way.
thad
Re:NASA these days (Score:1)
Re:NASA these days (Score:5, Interesting)
earth.nasa.gov [nasa.gov]
earthobservatory.nasa.gov [nasa.gov]
terra.nasa.gov [nasa.gov]
data assimilation office [nasa.gov]
and for image products:
visibleearth.nasa.gov [nasa.gov]
NASA does alot of interesting earth science too!
Re:NASA these days (Score:1)
Whenever someone tells you americans about how moronically stupid you are you should show them stuff like this and tell them to show what clever stuff they done lately or sod off...
Yes, hopefully ESA will get up there as well, but for the moment we're behind IMHO
Re:NASA these days (Score:1)
Re:NASA these days (Score:1)