Thin, Flexible Printable Battery For Smartcards 83
cornflux writes "This would be a nice way to power a really smart smartcard: Power Paper, Ltd. has created an alkaline-like energy cell that is (among other things) thin, flexible, and "green." Furthermore, it is printable via a silk-screening process onto paper, plastic, and other flexible materials.
ABCNEWS.com has the story."
Re:Replacement (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The Secret's Out (Score:1)
It sure would explain a lot :)
power (Score:2)
devices only need power when pluged in so its easy to add an extra pin for power
it will only work if it has enough for Bluetooth
(which is made for low power devices unlike 802.11b)
otherwise its an outside technology
I am waiting for fuelcells
(no dear I have not been drinking my phone smells of ethanol
regards
john jones
Re:power (Score:1)
It's bad enough when the salesperson takes your card outback for processing, but I sure don't want it transmitting my information to the world.
Fuel for fuel cell (Score:2)
Anyway, you are taking a very narrow view: you take an invention of mass consumption and say it will only work if it can power Bluetooth??? I think rather it will only work if production is cheap enough to power musical/flashing Christmas cards (let's get realistic here).
Phillip.
http://www.FutureEnergies.com/
yo, smart guy - it's energy not power (Score:1)
Yippee!!! (Score:2)
Ok, I just gotta ask, what application on/for a smartcard would use this? All smartcards I know of need a reader, and the reader usually provides the power to the smartcard for it to do it's thing... why would smartcards benifit from this? Are they going to put LCD displays on smartcards now? Thats really the only use I can think of, since every other use requires a reader anyway, so there's no point in the smartcard having a self contained power source...
I'm very open to someone pointing out an application I may have missed, but I just can't think of anything in today's world that would need this for a smartcard... (I can think of lots of other uses for non-smartcard devices though...)
It's actually quite important... (Score:2, Informative)
It also makes it much simpler to ensure the integrity of the information on the card and so simplify the programming model. (At present, the card - and any code that it runs or that it interacts with - has to gracefully handle removal of power at any time. Doing that correctly is quite tricky...)
Re:Yippee!!! (Score:2)
Another application could be two-way encrypted communication.
Re:Yippee!!! (Score:2)
Yeah, but just think about how tiny the keyboard would be!
Also, imagine the lawsuits from the headaches it would give people. The general population isn't accustomed to reading its bank statement at a 2pt font.
For the humor impaired, yes, the above is meant as a joke.
Re:Yippee!!! (Score:1)
Power Paper batteries can be used in so-called smart cards - plastic cards that contain microprocessor chips. Current smart cards require a separate bulky card reader to display the information stored on the cards' chips. But with a flexible battery, smart-card makers could soon include a tiny display screen on the card itself that would allow users easy access to that account data.
Just a suggestion, mind.
Re:Yippee!!! (Score:1)
Not that I wouldn't want to slashdot on my smartcard someday.
Re:Yippee!!! (Score:2)
Give us the card number, and we'll be happy to slashdot it for you. :)
Power Supply Cryptanalysis (Score:4, Interesting)
burris
Re:Yippee!!! (Score:1)
Yip... that's what they said in the artical if someone had read it. They said that you would be able to view your account details and stuff.
I think it's great idea. No need to go to an ATM/shop/whatever just to see how much is left.
You might even be able to change your PIN number on it, incase you get a little paranoid 'cause of the creep behind you was whaching you type in you PIN at the check-out. Plus it couls have the usual stuff like time/date etc.
The secret's out! (Score:1)
I'll bet these are those guys that keep calling tech support saying they spilled coke in their printer again.
Power/weight ratio (Score:2, Interesting)
It's pretty obvious that the power/weight ratio of this type of battery is significantly smaller than the one of a standard AA batery. More than that, the article fails to mention the exact capacity or stand-by leaking current. Which pretty much means that the average lifetime of such a battery is inferior to the one of a regular battery (if it were superior, I'm sure they would have mentioned it).
The Raven
Re:Power/weight ratio (Score:2, Insightful)
However, I agree that it is more probable that we will never see the power/weight ratio approach existing technologies. What we really need is specifications on thickness and durability, which will be more relevant to the applications that may require this cell.
Re:Power/weight ratio (Score:1)
Forget Cards, (Score:2)
Horrific Uses (Score:4, Insightful)
The horror story in my head is that these things get cheap enough to be used to power animated and interactive displays on the boxes you see from products in department stores, etc.
I have visions of products shouting out to you to "buy me" as you walk down the product aisles. The real world equivalent of banner ads and popup displays.
Re:Horrific Uses (Score:1)
I don't think that it would be considered a real-world equivalent of popups, because you don't have to go out of your way to "close" them
(i.e. packaging turns motor, which in turn moves a piece of cardboard in front of you. You must push a button to make it close)
Re:Horrific Uses (Score:1)
Re:Horrific Uses (Score:2)
Well the really awful thing would be the little terribly cute voices squeelling at you, waving their little hands, shouting in their little voices, "Pick Me! Pick Me!"
. Or just an aisle filled with a sea of animated cartons.
Re:Horrific Uses (Score:2)
Thin Film Rechargeable Batteries (Score:3, Informative)
Their website has the complete specs, power dissapation curves and more.
Re:Horrific Uses (Score:1)
Actually, combined with current LED technologies, I'd be more afraid of people walking around with Nike(tm) video commercials on their t-shirts, and the like.
Is this good for civil liberties? (Score:2, Offtopic)
With traditional smart card systems, the government could force us (through "voluntary measures" of course, which would be required in airports and to drive) to carry a card that contained our biometric IDs, medical records, and discipline records from grade school. These are horribly intrusive devices, but they pale in comparison to an active, powered smartcard. Think of the possibilities: GPS tracking and reporting, for starters. How about making these cards transmit an "I'm here" signal every few seconds, so that the government knows when you're in the area? Forget tracking and triangulation on cell phones (you can turn them off) - they could force us to carry a card around with us that tells businesses and government agencies where we are, what we are doing and saying, and everything about our past.
Think I'm paranoid? Listen to a few of Ashcroft's speeches on CNN and think again. They'd do it in a heartbeat if they could get popular support. And that won't be hard to do if we lose a couple more tall buildings.
~wally
Re:Is this good for civil liberties? (Score:2, Funny)
Why do the people in power want such complete control and knowledge about everybody? They're subjecting themselves to the same, you understand. But what motivations do "they" have? Power? Why would "they" want power, for money? Why would "they" want money, so that "they" could buy things? But in buying things, aren't "they" just subjecting themselves to the same consumer hazards that "they" have subjected everyone else to? Whether you or Ashcroft walk into Best Buy to buy an MP3 player, under your theory, you'll both get tracked-down-and-hunted the same by the Evil CorporateOrGovernment Conspiracy.
Suppose, instead, that this is what it's being reported as: really incredible new technology. What a concept.
Oh, and moderators, please mod the parent post down.
Re:Is this good for civil liberties? (Score:1)
True - that would be a problem.
Trouble is, iris recognition is on its way in. It appears to work and can be done from much greater distance than most biometric id's.
I don't think that we will have much privacy soon anyway. Whether or not we get active smart cards.
After all, the government doesn't really expect a terrorist to carry a tracking device at the critical time, does it?
Michael
The government doesn't pick its battles well (Score:1)
Most governmental "crime fighting measures" are so poorly designed that they intrude on honest citizens' lives, and do little to fight crime. Consider:
~wally
Re:The government doesn't pick its battles well (Score:2, Insightful)
Actually, you don't need to fake them. None of those involved in the sept 11 bombings would have had any trouble getting a real id card - they were all in the country legally. And that isn't likely to stop. Unless you get a fortress America and stop all those foreigners from visiting under tourist visas. Then they would have to choose to emigrate to the US to get a green card, and surely they don't plan that far ahead now?
Taking guns away. As if street criminals don't already buy them on the black market?
Actually, there are much better reasons to get rid of guns, or at least lock them down a little more, but none of them have anything to do with terrorism. Mostly to do with the high likelyhood of shooting people you know in a fit of anger.
Every first world democracy has criminals with guns and police with guns - sometimes it can be hard to tell the two apart. But only the US has the huge rate of personal injury from the guns, mostly used in defence or anger on people known to the person who uses them.
I'm not trying to do flamebait here, I'd agree with you totally about banning guns to reduce terrorism being a stupid idea.
Michael
Quite nice...but... (Score:2, Interesting)
* Not much power. 1/22 of an AA batt. wont power much for very long. even LCD screens are rather power intensive. and since it has a rather high cost, wouldnt we have to pay for replacement creditcards quite often?
* Not rechargeable (is it?) You'd either have to replace the entire device or recharge the paper, when the batt. dies. These dont seem too replaceable, they're far too propritary/embedded
Aside from that...I could see all kinds of fun uses for this..especialy when combined with e-ink...You could have, for example..a reuseable newspaper. Hell, make it glow while we're at it. The use this will probly be put to is however some sort of tracking system. Build a little antena into my new smartcard, and Amex can tell exactly where I am at all times. If you put it into my drivers licence, so could the goverment. Fun, aint it?
Re:Quite nice...but... (Score:2)
When they make it rechargeable, I'll be impressed. Coupled with some ultra-low power moletronics, this battery could last the next generation of CPU technology and displays all day if not far longer.
2006 for the protoypes, I reckon...
Vik
Rechargable Thin Film Batteries (Score:1)
Probably going to use all this technology to tag [digitalangel.com] all humans some day.
Re:Quite nice...but... one thing (Score:1)
Re:Quite nice...but... (Score:1)
Well....I'm not sure how much power your average hearing-aid battery has compared to an AA battery. My Casio Databank can last a few years on one battery. And my caculator has lasted 5 years on 2 small ones.
I'm sure that the intended use for devices that will use this battery won't take much power.
Roll that battery up (Score:2)
Re:Roll that battery up (Score:1)
I guess that'd be the first smokable that can also be used as a patch.
wearable computers... (Score:1, Interesting)
Then, I read the article and info on their site and had to do some thinking.
Basically, I still think it would be good for wearables.
Some quotes from the supplied links -
The resulting battery is about half a millimeter thick -- the same thickness as the paper used to make milk cartons.
...has developed a battery that can be printed directly onto paper, plastic or other flexible material.
Can be manufactured in any custom size or shape
Two to three layers of this could be made into the inside lining of a bulky jacket/overcoat.
To produce as much power as a standard AA-sized battery, for instance, would require a Power Paper battery of about a square foot in size.
Given 2 or 3 layers in a jacket AND most of the jacket real estate being the power supply, this would be enough for a low-power computing device.
Obviously, higher power cells or thinner cells would be neccesary to power current wearables as while they're relatively low-power devices, the display is always a major source of power drain. So, while I'm not saying anyone should go out there and do it immediately, I definitely see potential for it in the future...
Recharging of the batteries could be accomplished using a combination of solar (thereby making the jacket look cool) and energy gained from movement (as with a few rather nifty watches out there).
Ben de Waal. yttriumox@softhome.net
-- Not an anonymous coward, just too lazy to create a slashdot account, I post about once a year on average, I read daily.
Who the fuck needs a computerized coat? (Score:1)
besides you don't need a whole coat to achieve a 'wearable' computer would to get a PDA and plug in some headgear.
And you're also missing the most obvious reason to electrify a coat. Keeping you warm.
Re:wearable computers... (or Parking Permits) (Score:2)
Some of the other problems with this:
It seems that it would really only be useful for small, flexible, probably disposable applications. Having already ripped on the idea of using it for luggage tracking, i will say that one possible use is parking permits. A hangtag with a solar cell, battery, and small readout could display up to the minute information on where you can park, when a shuttle is coming, etc. With printable display technology it might not be much more expensive than the plastic hangtags we use now (and if you thought the little hologram made them hard to duplicate...), and either way would pale in comparison to the $$ we fork over. The downside is that the permit could figure out if it was parked in the wrong spot and turn on the Parking Gestapo Beacon.
Battery life (Score:1)
Re:Battery life (Score:4, Interesting)
http://www.powerpaper.com/tech/technology.html
Nominal current 0.1 mA/cm2
Capacity 2.5 mAh/cm2
Shelf life is 2.5 years.
So between 1 day and 2.5 years depending on usage.
Re:Battery life (Score:1)
I can't take over the world with it yet, but just you wait...BWAHahaaaaaaaaa......
No but seriously, as an artist, stuff like this is fascinating, it leads to all sorts of artistic "hacks". The possibilities are exciting.
patent issues.. (Score:1)
Re:patent issues.. (Score:2, Interesting)
The patent seems to be for a mechanism for allowing the escape of gases produced by the generation.
They give some examples of chemicals in the patent application and the chemistry of batteries of old technology, there are probably a number of different solutions that could be used.
They could be protecting the exact chemicals used just because they're an efficient set to use, not because they're the only ones which work; and the real invention is making the whole thing practical and long-lasting.
"Smart" Luggage Tags? (Score:4, Insightful)
Great. Please make sure you seatbacks and traytables are in their full upright and locked positions, all you carryon items have been safely stowed in an overhead bin or under the seat in front of you, and all cellular phones, portable electronics, and luggage tags have been turned off prior to departure.
Not to mention it's a stupid idea anyway. The tages the airlines put on your bag already have barcodes- if getting them to point in the right direction for the laser scanner is just too difficult, they can easily use RFID (who says they don't already?). There's no reason to have the tag carry a battery unless it's going to display and update information in realtime.
Re:"Smart" Luggage Tags? (Score:2, Informative)
I read some articles about RFID tags and air lines use them already. It's after all faster to read them in a tunnel then pointing a laser at them. Those tags turn and bend and RF is much better at reading the ID.
The benefit of a passive RFID tag is it's cheap. The drawback is, the maximum reading distance is rather small (some meters).
Active, power driven ID tagscan send out their ID much further away. Given enough power, several hundred meters.
Now that makes it useless for air lines (at least I cannot see a reason why they would like to do that), but for other services it might be useful. Containers in a harbour/shipping station come into my mind. They are too big to put into a tunnel, but they can carry a small battery without any problems.
This small printed battery thing now makes this battery small, flat, flexible and cheap, which means this active RFID tags can be deployed in more articles.
After all, you don't have to use them and passive ones will be cheaper anyway, so it's just one more choice you have.
Sounds ok for me.
Re:"Smart" Luggage Tags? (Score:1)
What about "smart books"? (Score:2, Interesting)
The battery is replaceable, and it shouldn't be hard to download different texts into it... or, maybe, store the texts on a novram card. Sell whole textbooks like this, and make it easier for students to carry the whole load.
These paper batteries could easily be used, whereas conventional batteries are rather heavy and bulky, still.
TFM? (Score:1)
ISO 7816 compliance? (Score:2)
However the pages that I read lacked a phrase that I was looking for: ISO 7816 Compliant. This is the specification that dictates the characteristics of a smart card. The flexibility, durability, and size of the card are dictated. This is important because these cards need to be able to live for years in people's wallets and occasionally even be used to scrape ice off of car windshields. :) And if a card with this battery is ISO 7816 compliant, then Power Paper should really mention it. If not, then they need to work on it before it will gain market acceptance. Phrases such as "highly flexible" just won't cut it if it isn't compliant.
Necktie will serve a new pupose... (Score:1)
Cowboy hats (perhaps 10 gallon) will go from hick (or chic) to geek real fast if they can supply more power than a baseball cap. Keep in mind that hats do not have to be as flexible as regular clothes.
Thin film batteries (Score:1)
My $0.02 to toss into the ring is e-books, one-use disposable books the size of a credit card. once the battery runs out, its time to buy another copy of Lord of the Rings.
On second thought, I hope no deadtree publishers read this comment...
What about volume (Score:2)
power on a smart card (Score:1)
"environmentally safe" (Score:1)
Re:"environmentally safe" (Score:1)
are you talking about regular old credit cards??
Put one in Me!!!!! (Score:1)