When Locusts Attack 135
Robert Coulthard writes: "http://biology.queensu.ca/~dawsonj/LocustCar/index.html
You've got to check this out!!! A friend of mine has designed a car that he hooks a locust up to. The little critter actually drives it! There's some pretty cool videos on the site that shows the thing in action." Somewhere, there's a member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Insects getting all riled up.
Re:I forsee... (Score:1)
Re:That's twisted (Score:1)
Re:Laptops (Score:1)
Redmond will be investing in this new innovation soon. Locust 2001 Swarms on computer stores.
Man, you guys are behind! (Score:1)
Re:Not only them... (Score:2)
Can't speak for anyone else... but I'd lose my legs if it would save lives.
Yup, a keychain. (Score:2)
Re:locusts driving cars? (Score:2)
Is this how prostheses work nowadays anyway? Say you just lost your hand. Your brain still sends impulses to that missing hand as though it were there. You can slap a few electrodes on your stump and re-learn how to control a new fake hand.
More or less, but the interface is primitive at best. Typically, the hand can be opened and closed and the wrist rotated. While the better ones can apply user controled variable pressure, there's no feedback. A direct connect could allow for independant fingers, finer control and some sensory feedback. Part of that depends on improved understanding of how nerve impulse characteristics translate into sensation and movement.
Re:I forsee... (Score:2)
because in the future we will steer our cars by clenching our butt cheeks left and right.
That could add a whole new world of meaning to 'silent but deadly'
Re:locusts driving cars? (Score:2)
There is feedback, with the newer prosthetics they can feel temperature differences, they can also feel differing textures of objects.
I've seen the ones that give temperature feedback, I hadn't seen the ones that give texture feedback. Can they give pressure feedback as well?
A lot of science is done for fun. (Score:2)
In the case of this article, the researchers said that it is to study the insect's reaction to ultra low frequencies. I would imagine the car makes the insect move in a sufficiently slow and obvious fashion for humans to observe.
Did you notice that, contrary to their expectations, the locust moved *towards* the jangling keys?
Things like that could be important, given how much of a menace locusts are in some parts of the world.
Global warming (Score:2)
Now I am concerned about locusts!
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Re:Not only them... (Score:2)
Troy
Re:Not only them... (Score:1)
"... That probably would have sounded more commanding if I wasn't wearing my yummy sushi pajamas..."
Re:Sad (Score:2)
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Not only them... (Score:5)
Well, I think a lot of the stances taken by PETA are silly, but this does seem a little mean in the sense of kid-pulling-wings-off-fly mean. If there's a legitimate scientific goal ---
And... if you're wondering why... M.E.L. was built for the fun of it.
--- but in this case, there's not. Maiming animals for fun, even a lowly insect, is the kind of uncool behavior that makes it difficult for real scientists with legitimate and worthy goals to perform research. It's getting hard enough to perform experiments for things like life-saving medical research without thoughtless boobs like these autogenerating propaganda for the more reactionary elements within the animal rights movements.
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Re:What's the guy holding in his hand? (Score:1)
PETA would be upset (Score:3)
Err, I guess the PETA we're talking about is here [peta.org].
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Bird in a model airplane (Score:2)
That's twisted (Score:2)
Matrix 2 (Score:1)
The each one of them represents THOUSANDS of locusts connected together as a massive computers driving cars.
The artifical environment keeps them together and the "agents" are software defects...
Our herros get swished by a big boot...
Re:I can't help but see the irony. (Score:1)
Re:Mirrors (Score:1)
Future uses of this technology (Score:2)
Attach sensors to certain mucles umm.. down below. Use these sensors to control the direction and speed of a little go cart type device which the man would be sitting in.
Have attractive women walk into the room and see how fast they'd get run over.
Lee Reynolds
Man... (Score:1)
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bug trek (Score:1)
Re:Imagine if it was you... (Score:2)
The Divine Creatrix in a Mortal Shell that stays Crunchy in Milk
Possible apllication... (Score:1)
Why couldn't large emiters be placed around crop fields, steering locusts away from produce?
Re:Imagine if it was you... (Score:2)
It's the YEAR 2000. It's practically the FUTURE. But I've got no rocket car, no vampiric machine-based immortality, no SHINY SILVER JUMPSUIT with GOLDFISH BOWL HELMET, no NANOTECH ASSEMBLERS, no giant robots, no NOTHING.
Remember folks, there's NO PROBLEM that can't be solved by robots of the appropriate size.
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"HORSE."
Re:they would smell a lot less than (Score:1)
Re:OT: but you have to laugh! (Score:1)
//rdj thinks it's time for a shag (dutch). That's fag, for you brits out there. and (self-rolled) cigarette for the americans.
Sad (Score:1)
The Asian locust couldn't drive in any direction...Male or female, it really didn't seem to make a difference, and no matter how much they waved or yelled at it, it just kept going on its merry way.
'Ha ha, yeah, that's brilliant! I think I'll give that a +1: Funny, and how about a +1: Informative, too! Gather 'round the fire, boys, and let's share some more good ones about Nigger and Spic locusts while we're at it!!!'
I hope the poster, and the moderator at least have the good sense to be ashamed. Too bad the poster didn't use his account so I could tell him personally what I think.
Re:What's the big deal ? (Score:2)
I think a useful option might be using ants because ants have a tendency to follow a sort of 'invisible path' left by the ant(s) before him -the ants leave some sort of chemical-. This could be used to steer vehicles along a certain path and that could be quite useful for unmanned vehicles in factories etc. . Although I'm not sure how an ant would respond to travelling at 30 km/h instead of 1 km/h ?
ok, let's see YOU plug an electrode into an ants ass.... Go ahead, try it!
The reason the used Locusts was clearly explained on the site if you had bothered to read it. Their nervous system is accesible (and the electrodes aren't bigger than the target organism).
Kintanon
Re:man.... (Score:2)
I don't think you were paying attention to the endeavour here. They are translating the muscle movement of the locust into steering for the vehicle. If they changed their method of input then it would be an entirely different experiment now wouldn't it!?
Now, as an excersise for you, go build an optical device that will measure the wing activity of an ANT well enough to tell which direction the thing wants to turn in, then harness an ant up to a little car without killing it in such a way that its wing motion is still discernable.
Sometimes I get the feeling people aren't thinking before they post.
Kintanon
Re:man.... (Score:2)
Ants do have wings. In fact, every true male ant has wings, as well as the queen. This occurs when the ant colony has grown large enough to migrate. So it's easy to find winged ants. Once again, you didn't bother to do any research before you posted. Stop doing that, it makes you look uninformed.
Kintanon
Re:man.... (Score:2)
Woahwoahwoah!! Slow down boyo, I never said every ant has wings. I said there are winged ants. There's a difference. It's quite obvious that not all ants have wings. I grew up in the south eastern US. My main ant issues were with fire ants and army ants (Our army ants are WAY smaller than those big red fsckers y'all have in africa) and these was larvae called Cow Killers that are big ants. Now, fire ants almost always have a bunch of winged drones if you dig down a ways. I've seen some winged army ants too. So there are winged ants. However NO WHERE in ANY of my posts did I even IMPLY that all ants have wings.
Kintanon
Re:man.... (Score:2)
See the part after EVERY, where it says TRUE MALE? That's defining a subset of ant. And what I said is correct. Every TRUE MALE ant has wings.
Kintanon
Re:man.... (Score:2)
I may have been a little unclear in a couple of places, sorry about that.
Yes, this is so obscenely offtopic it's great that I'm immune to moderation... I haven't been moderated up or down in months...
Kintanon
Avi?! (Score:1)
They should compress those AVI-s to MPEG1 at least, don't you think ?
Not everybody has wideband conection tought
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Maybe he can race the cyborg eel! (Score:3)
I can also see the preview for 'cyborg wars' on Comedy Central.
Re:I can't help but see the irony. (Score:1)
Anyway, don't worry, I get the point. It's an engineering marvel (or, at the very least, a curiosity), but I was looking at it from a different view point.
I can't help but see the irony. (Score:5)
Hmm ants? (Score:2)
Anyone know of strange experiements with ants like thos project?
What's the guy holding in his hand? (Score:2)
/me bets PETA thinks animal=mammal (Score:1)
I'd love to see the uproar should we discover that the human body produces viruses to do some of its work.
PETA and other such groups fail to back up most of their claims with research.
How in hell you make a religion out of a simple concept demonstrated by bursting a baloon is beyond me.
Re:OK I am lost (Score:1)
Unfortunately some think this calls for worship to Gaia and certain social attitudes rather than rational thought and action.
Re:Imagine if it was you... (Score:2)
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Mirrors (Score:3)
Build1a.avi [umich.edu]
Build5a.avi [umich.edu]
Car7a.avi [umich.edu]
Car9a.avi [umich.edu]
Car8a.avi [umich.edu]
weird (Score:1)
hang up and drive (Score:2)
How long.... (Score:2)
Until we have rednecks exploiting locusts as the new entertainment sport? Living in Mississippi (not that anything's wrong with that), I can assure you that if one locust can drive a car, then someone somewhere will find a way to have a locust destruction derby. And they'll sell beer while many men (intriguingly all named Bubba) watch and hoot and holler. And they'll have air horns as well.
My god, what have I done.
Imagine if it was you... (Score:5)
That's kind of odd. (Score:1)
In fact, I only remember being annoyed when I had to remove the implants..
But really.. I do have a question. With this sort of thing possible, what kind of *practical* solutions could it be expanded to? I mean, while we might be able to steer a car with a locust, how are we going to teach it to use a GPS and maps.yahoo.com?
Is this sort of thing being done just for the sheer geekery of it? The bragging rights one gets by being able to say "I built a robot car steered by a locust"?
Unless of course, they could expand this by attaching paralyzed people to their wheelchairs, enabling them to motor around with simply activating a few certain neurons in their brain.
Re:OT: but you have to laugh! (Score:1)
What next? "Bollocks"?
Rich
Re:Matrix 2 (Score:1)
Rich
Re:I hate to be a usage nazi, but... (Score:2)
It's all the result of some weird reasoning that we decide to categorise the various parts of plants into being fruit or vegetable. It's the same thing as when I see signs in supermarkets which point me to "beers and lagers". Lagers are beers dammit. It's the same kind of thing where you get goods labelled "Organic". Well, of course it's organic. It has carbon in it doesn't it? All part of the dumbing down of society I'm afraid.
Oh, by the way, mushrooms aren't vegetables. In the three kingdoms, animal, vegetable, mineral, fungi dont fit into any of them (I'm sure someone can explain it better)
Rich
Re:Not only them... (Score:2)
Well, unless there's some more weirdy experiments in wiring insects up to web browsers, I don't think the poster was a bug so your question is absurd.
Rich
Re:I hate to be a usage nazi, but... (Score:2)
Honest :)
Rich
Re:Not only them... (Score:2)
Rich
Re:OT: but you have to laugh! (Score:2)
Er, me English. You son of dingo ;)
Rich
Re:OT: but you have to laugh! (Score:2)
Rich
Locust Drivers ! (Score:1)
Re:That's kind of odd. (Score:1)
Frankly I was too considering my friend just doped up crayfish with seratonin (5-HT) and studied their relative agressiveness.
Tonight on Comedy Central Locust Wars
my exact same reaction! (Score:1)
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first thing i thought (Score:5)
Laptops (Score:1)
Re:I hate to be a usage nazi, but... (Score:1)
Locust Research (Score:2)
The "Myo-Electric Locust" (MEL) is presumably named after his academic supervisor, Dr. Mel Robertson. Their lab [queensu.ca] studies the neural control of insect flight using locusts as a model. IANAE(xpert) but it seems like this sort of thing would be of interest to the automation and robotics community.
Re:/me bets PETA thinks animal=mammal (Score:1)
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Spinal lockdown (Score:1)
Note to self- Make sure nervous system is NOT easily accessible by using the BrainAlarm. "Please step away from the neurons! Please step away from the neurons!"
I forsee... (Score:2)
Answers question about my flight (Score:1)
Re:Sad (Score:1)
OK I am lost (Score:1)
"How in hell you make a religion out of a simple concept demonstrated by bursting a baloon is beyond me."
And of course . (Score:1)
You would have to prove both statements true
You would be be the base line once we can prove what thought is in you, we can set out to prove that the locust is in some way different.
of course I strongly suspect that the Locust is aware that its legs were ripped off.
biblical revelations and locusts (Score:1)
tangently, i think i heard about this being done on roaches but this was by some university task-force group, not this grass-roots-ghetto-style thing
As a locust.... (Score:1)
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Andrew Francis locust@iinet.net.au [mailto]
If there's one thing I want to see... (Score:1)
cue A Bug's Life... "it's so pretty, i can't help it..."
goatse.xc isn't ass-porn anymore (Score:1)
MOD THIS UP!
Re:Sad (Score:1)
ummm I will.
Lighten up. Dont take yourself so damn seriously. If you dont find it funny say so, but dont try and shut someone down simply because you dont agree... ever heard the concept of free speech ? That includes speech you dont find 'comfortable'.
Remember - I may find YOUR opinions offensive - thus I must ask you to stop saying things like "Are you trying to defend racist jokes? because I find that idea very uncomfortable. I find it discriminatory. I dont believe you should be allowed to express that opinion.
see how it works.. how many times must this be explained... some sheeple will never learn...Wake the fuck up buddy; Friday Night Sitcoms are NOT REALITY.
Clarity (Score:1)
Im sure you are joking - but in case you aren't.. when you see "Organic" at the grocer it means that the product was grown/raised without the chemical soup that is unnecessarily dumped on EVERYTHING other than the items labeled as "organic" at your grocer.
This is a Good Thing(TM)
Please see this link [usda.gov] for some information regarding Organic Food Products. And try and support responsible food products - buy Organic!
Re:biblical revelations and locusts (Score:1)
Baron Harkonnen like locust crusing around on floating disks...
Disks? What disks? Not in the movie OR the book (and the movie got it wrong anyway).
Re:That's kind of odd. (Score:1)
You want to use Yahoo's maps to get around?!? Good luck. Hope you don't mind being late.
"Laudably perverse" (Score:2)
This has to be the quote of the week:
The article talks a little bit about transhumanist stuff like mapping a whole human brain to a robot body, but cautions:
While I have long suspected that some of my colleagues have mobile phones connected directly to their brains, this does not strike me as an appealing idea.
"I have this horrible ringing in my ears."
"Of course you do. I've been trying to call you all day!"
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Re:That's twisted (Score:1)
Hey. . . (Score:1)
-Fantastic Lad
And actually. . . (Score:1)
I found this story to be a little disappointing. . .
I thought the bug was going to be piloting a real car.
That would have been way cooler.
-Fantastic Lad
Re:when locusts attack (Score:3)
The United Nations security council,
Recognizing that locust's contolling hude tanks and taking over the world constitutes a grave threat to humanity,
Noting that a locus is hugely different from a locust,
Taking into account the need for a UN police action to battle the evil locusts,
Proposes the creation of a subcommittee UNIDEVDL (United Nations Initiative for the Destruction of Evil Vehicle Driving Locusts) to combat this danger;
Commissions the "superpowers" mentioned below to muster all military strength (including but not limited to ground forces, aeronautical strike teams, thermonclear weaponry and bug spray) to form a UN "policing action" against these evil bugs:
1.United States,
2.China,
3.Russia (well, they're not really too powerful anymore, but hell, why not?);
Requires all members of this "policing action" to watch "Starship Troopers", translated into the vernacular of said members;
Prays for Humanity against this terrible crisis.
HA! I knew all that time in Model UN would pay off some day! Now I'm off to save the world!
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locusts driving cars? (Score:2)
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Re:That's twisted (Score:1)
don't laugh; military testing brain-wave steering (Score:1)
I love the part where one of the simulator pilots says "'After doing this for a while, pushing a button seems so laborious,' said Calhoun. 'It's very addictive--you get lazy and comfortable.'"
Check it out: http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0296/look.htm [af.mil]
Re:Locust Drivers ! (Score:1)
Oh, and cellphones. Don't forget cellphones.
(I mean what the fuck is with all these "jokes". I take these as Karma Whoring if the attempts weren't so half-assed. Oh no wait. I get it now. A ha ha. Ha. Ho. Haa.)
Re:The locust is only steering the car (Score:1)
Re:The locust is only steering the car (Score:1)
I couldn't give two hoots what any of my posts get.
Re:Locust Drivers ! (Score:1)
Something about "how long do you think it'll take them to port freebsd to this baybee" wouldn't have gone a miss. Or something.
They tried a female locust first. (Score:5)
The male locust is a far more accomplished parker and driver but unfortunately he and the platform have been lost as he was to stubborn to ask for directions back to the lab.
Maybe a cat next? (Score:2)
He, M.E.L., you can drive pretty good. Hey, watch out for that sharp curve! Oh no!!!!
#@%)(*&#$!@!!!!!! [CRASH]
Locusts & Damaged Food (Score:2)
Locusts are most often noted for the damage they cause to crops when they aggregate into large swarms.
Sounds like lobbyists to me. Could they be brought under control by hooking them up to little carts, with special code to prevent them from going into the offices of politicians?
Why? Why? Why? (Score:2)
PETI? (Score:2)
And that would be "PETI?" I just checked, and - unfortunately - peti.org is already taken.
Darn. I was all set to put up a website called "People Eating Tasty Insects" just to bug them...
Re:locusts driving cars? (Score:2)
"Yes, folks, this laptop - not only does it have a Crusoe chip, but it is actually powered by a locust running inside a small wheel!"