The Universal Planar Manipulator 71
macsox writes: "Wired News has an article about surfaces that, using vibrations, can move objects around at the owner's whim -- for example, using a mouse as a remote desktop arranger. Also envisioned: rooms that redecorate themselves. The scientist's page is here."
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The whole thing seems really dumbed-down when they suggest a room that can re-arrange itself. Do people rearrange their rooms SO MUCH, that they would go through the expense of imbedding a bunch of motors in special honeycomb floor?
Re:Noise and creative applications (Score:1)
You have to be able to yell at a certain frequency, and maintain it to get the glass vibrating to the point where it breaks.. NOT easy.
jeremy
Tabletop Football (Score:1)
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Re:just think about the applications for this! (Score:1)
Speed differences (Score:1)
Box handling (Score:2)
UPS funded some work on a similar concept some years ago. The roller conveyor that resulted had a large number of little casters, all individually steerable. Large conveyor systems have switches to divert objects to various tracks, but this works well only when there's empty space around each box or all boxes are the same size. The idea was to have something that could take in a stream of mixed boxes on a conveyor and separate them. I don't think it got beyond the research stage.
This vibrating idea sounds like it might have potential for applications like that. The substrate could be a flexible solid instead of a mass of wheels, which would prevent jams and simplify cleaning. It might also have applications in airport baggage-handling systems.
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PATENT IT!
win/win for the ladies! (Score:1)
Hold on - "Rotation"? (Score:1)
Re:I wondered too (Score:1)
The vibrations are low amplitude, Reznik said, and feel like a sound wave.
that looks like it will create a low hum, but it will be very quiet (thats what low amplitude sounds means to the layman isn;t it?)
even if its not audible to people, animals might get mighty pissed at it...
Windows rebooter (Score:1)
Ye gads... (Score:1)
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Make sure this doesn't fall into the wrong hands.. (Score:3)
A little move I've been working on. (Score:1)
Re:Noise & other questions... (Score:1)
It's a little more complicated than that. It depends also on the amplitude (and I don't mean in the obvious way), and resonant frequencies of the objects placed on the table. If the amplitude is high enough to cause the object on the table to "bounce", you are going to get a low frequency square wave, i.e. one with many higher frequency harmonics. And, the low frequency wave will add energy to any resonant object you place on it and you will get some transient sympathetic oscillations, though I must say I can't remember the details of this.
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Re:Neural Net Vibration Control (Score:1)
I don't think that's ethically defensible.
Would it be possible to reconfigure the neural net so that it would expect a constant input level, which we could define as "pleasure"? And then the accelerometers could be set up so that they couldn't reduce the input down to anything less than zero.
You'd get the same results, and the neural net would never have to experience anything worse than a vague dissatisfaction.
Thanks in advance!
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Do I have to put a quarter in? (Score:1)
Redecorate? (Score:2)
Trickster Coyote
Reality is only an illusion.
Robot Platform? (Score:2)
I guess I am wondering if it would be possible to build such a platform this way, with say three vibrating motors, set @ 120 degrees apart...?
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Re:gamers take note (Score:1)
But wouldn't that be a great demo as well? If the little plastic players ACTUALLY RAN PLAYS? People would throw money at you
Not perfect (Score:1)
As wonderful as such a device would be, there are certian problems inherent to vibratory movement in a mechanical device that are unavoidable. Wear, operating temperature, part size, mass, etc all must be compensated for one way or another. The only place I see such devices remotely practical is in a manufacturing environment where regular tasks are carried out, and such variables can be compensated for by an operator. The only way this could be functional for semi-random objects, although not exactly practical, is through a vision system. However, in order to identify, (and therefor track) an object is to preprogram its shape into the system.
Still, I hope that they get this thing to work. If it can be made to work cheaply and efficiently enough, it would hold great advantages to assembly and manufacturing operations. Perhaps, as mentioned, someday it could clean our desks for us after we go home or perform some other similarly cool task. Also, some people had questions about the noise from such a device. Most vibratory equipment is extremely quiet, since range of motion is controlled electriclly and not by mechanical stops, although rubber stops are sometimes used. Rubber mounts eliminate the remaining noise. A low humm is often all that is heard from this equipment. Good luck to the people working on this, but it's going to be a long road ahead.
Re:Robot Platform? (Score:2)
Well, since you were wondering... The robot platform sound like a really good idea, but I think you are slightly misunderstanding how vibratory motion works. Let me explain this a little. A vibrating motor in say, a pager as you mentioned, uses an eccentric weight spun by a rotory motor to cause a condition of imballence, or wabble, and thus vibration. Vibratory motion equipement uses mostly linear motors and don't exactly "vibrate" but change directions at high speeds, causing the effect of vibration. It relies on basic laws of inertia, like the tablecloth trick. If you place an object on a table, and yank the tablecloth out real fast, the objects inertia will prevent it from moving. Vibratory motion works on the same principal, but think of it like this, the tablecloth is pulled slowly say one inch, and the object moves. Then it is pulled the other way one inch very fast, and the object stays. Then it repeats, over and over. A system like this would probably use at least 2 such motors opposed 90 degrees for direction control, although 3 at 120 would work as well, perhaps be even more accurate, but you would be required to run at least 2 of them at all times, so it might not be as efficient. So it's not exactly a vibration as much as it is a shuffle. You did get me thinking though, and a simple wabble type device would work great for manually moving a heavy object.
Sounds simular to... (Score:2)
Re:Robot Platform? (Score:2)
Anyhow, I was thinking three of these things - if they were all turned on (all three, space at 120 degrees apart on a circular platform), the platform wouldn't go anywhere, but by varying the speed, you could get diferent motion vectors (sorta like a vibrating holonomic device) - or at least that is the theory...
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Is that an earthquake?! (Score:2)
uhhh...yeah! (Score:2)
If the porn industry ever caught on to this...oh man!
Vibrating Magic Remover (Score:3)
Dan Reznik, a Brazilian computer science Ph.D. candidate at the University of California at Berkeley, has developed a table with a shaking top that moves objects as if by magic -- the only finger lifted is the one on the mouse controlling what objects are moved where.
Combine this effect with the pressure-sensitive polymer from a few days ago and some control electronics, and you'd have a floor able to react automatically to the presence of a life insurance salesman by wisking him effortlessly back out the door.
I really need this... (Score:1)
Most likely use (Score:1)
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Noise & other questions... (Score:2)
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gamers take note (Score:5)
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I used to have one! (Score:1)
Sorry, this is nothing new, just a different type of application.
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Noise and creative applications (Score:2)
I've looked over the site, but don't recall seeing any mention of just how LOUD this thing would be. If I understand correctly, he's got 4 LARGE voice coils that are rapidly firing in order to get the objects on the surface to move.
This reminds me of the old vibrating surface football game my folks got me when I was a kid. It was pretty noisy then. Hey! Imagine putting appropriate markings on this new surface. With a little creative programming (and, say, bluetooth), we could set up football scrimmages where we nerds would always WIN!
My girlfriend had one of these ... (Score:1)
The last thing I would need... (Score:2)
To roommate: "Can I borrow your computer? Someone blocked my door with my bed again...."
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Re:Have You Looked At The Video? (Score:1)
i think it could be just a case of experimental equipment not being able to handle the more complicated examples all that well.
i hope it isn't a fake, I can't wait to be carried around my house by a floor that gives me a foot massage at the same time
Could you pass the... (Score:1)
And how do we get geeks to set the table? Build an interface with a Quake engine where you have to deliver certain items to certain parts of the map. Unknowingly, your wife has gotten you to set the table while blasting many things into itty bitty pieces. Life would be good!!!
Re:Useless news department... (Score:2)
Whilst the following patent would be obvious
"Use sound to move objects around"
the following would not
"Using n tranducers located in y shape driven as a phased array with delays calculated by allows motion of objects on it's surface in these patterns. This can be generalised by use of "
He's not patenting the idea of moving things with sounds. It's the implementation of doing so.
Is this obvious to another expert in the field - I suspect the answer is no - it has taken lots of work to figure out how to do this.
It's obvious that I could patent a 'cure for cancer' using 'drugs' but I doubt the idea I've just stated now would grant me rights over all possible cures for cancer in the future.
just think about the applications for this! (Score:2)
How about a computer chess game that moves it's own pieces?
Or Just think what UPS/USPS/FedEx could do with this in a warehouse full of packages?
Mix this technology with that pressure sensitive sensing material, and maybe optical recognition, and it would be able to do damn near anything!
Re:I used to have one! (Score:1)
Re:Robot Platform? (Score:1)
Oh, and as for the mouse you mentioned, mabey I'll make one out of a CueCat =)
I can picture it now... (Score:1)
Re:Robot Platform? (Score:1)
Pager motors are one of the perferred devices for imparting motion in BEAM robotics. Look here [nbci.com] or here [beam-online.com], for starters -- there are tons of BEAM sites out there...
Re:Hold on - "Rotation"? (Score:1)
Re:Noise & other questions... (Score:1)
Re:Robot Platform? (Score:2)
IIRC - the model used a motor, with the shaft extending through the center of a circular thin can (like a chewing tobbacco tin). Attached to the end of the shaft was a "vane" - a thin piece of metal - that extended to the side of the can, but didn't touch it. Inside the can was a loose bearing, then the lid was put on. The tin/motor combo was mounted on it's side.
Now, when the motor spun the vane, it would push the bearing - throwing the weight forward (and maybe even up and around the side), but at the top, the bearing would fall to the bottom - to continue the cycle as the vane came back around.
Now, this could be totally wrong (unfortunately I don't have that particular encyclopedia - I only saw it at the library as a kid). The thing that shoots the whole in my memory of the device is that toy mouse I described - it don't rattle, which it should if if had a loose bearing in it. I might open the thing up tonight, and see how it works...
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Have You Looked At The Video? (Score:1)
I looked at the supplied video on the site, and the scale looks, err, funny to me.
Do we know for sure that this thing is real?
Or, said another way, why do the "coins" in the three-coin, figure-eight demo jog around so much when nothing else in the frame seems to move?
Re:Noise and creative applications (Score:1)
Re:Vibrating Magic Remover (Score:1)
I wondered too (Score:1)
Oh, great (Score:1)
No, room, I don't care that the Feng Shui of the room is better that way, I want the TV over *there*!
I Dunno.... (Score:1)
Reminds me of the Neutron Bomb Version Two (Score:1)
bah (Score:1)
Re:Useless news department... (Score:2)
I _did_ read the page. Like I said, he figured out how to harness something that we've all seen. I'm sure he didn't design this on a cocktail napkin, but the general concept is nothing new, IMO.
Basically he noticed that when you vibrate a surface, stuff tends to slide around. By controlling the surface and the vibrations, he can make objects move at will.
Re:Useless news department... (Score:1)
Perhaps "inevitable" would be better than "obvious". It seems that it is/was inevitable that someone would design a way to do this very thing. The solution itself was not an "obivous" design, per se. Then again, maybe it just depends on your own perception. I read this and said "big deal", even after reading all the technical data. He basically hangs a camera over a surface, and then uses a computer to monitor the surface and vibrate/rotate the surface to cause the objects to move as desired.
Do we want to heat up the planet even more? (Score:1)
Neural Net Vibration Control (Score:3)
Re:well (Score:1)
Once you go to the darkside you can never come back.
hehe, avoid the urge to post to an empty article something totally useless just to get the first post.. hehehe its dangerous ground to walk on, the temptation will overtake you if your new to
Jeremy
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