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cfanjul writes: "IBM seems to be helping nanotech's slow march to end products with
magnetic particles that can be made into a storage device with ten times the density of some of today's drives."
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Re:I HATE COOKIES (Score:1)
Biscuits!
Have you tried Powdermilk Biscuits?
My, they're tasty, and expeditious...
thank you.
Avogardo's number... (Score:1)
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Re:What I'd really like to see (Score:1)
You may have been very lucky indeed -- though I was mistaken in using the term "demagnetize." In reality, cold temperatures (rated @ All that aside, however, moving from cold to warm quickly -- say, by turning on the device while it's very cold -- can cause electrical shorts due to condensation on the board. There are HDD's designed to operate in these conditions, but they are not inexpensive.
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Microsoft might not be the first (Score:1)
Personally I don't see this increase in data usage that people keep complaining about, or at least not to any great extent. I find it difficult to fill up any more than around 500MB (though an extra 500MB is nice to have when you're keeping the source around to gcc, glibc, XFree86, etc.), and I'd be at a loss as to what to do with a drive bigger than 2GB.
I keep reading in retarded computer magazines that people should be getting drives of "at least" 5GB with their new computers: what on earth for?! We're not all pornographers, you know.
Re:This sounds like... (Score:1)
(Same punchline later on in the movie.)
Re:Old School (Score:1)
The important question, though, is how many Little Debbies could you store?
Nanotech Drive (Score:1)
Re: Data Tag (Score:1)
BTW, It's not a "data tag". That's an "A" tag that points at a "data scheme" URL.
See A Realization of "data" URL scheme by DeleGate [etl.go.jp] for some other neat examples of this.
Server error (Score:1)
Re:Server error (Score:1)
One key? (Warning: anal) (Score:1)
Re:This sounds like... (Score:1)
This sounds like... (Score:1)
Here's another link (Score:1)
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Johan
Interesting Old Storage Method just for contrast (Score:1)
1927!!
http://www.dfm.dircon.co.uk/
First 70GB, now this (Score:1)
How long until we have terrabyte drives for consumer use?
(Better question: How long until Microsoft comes out with an OS that takes up 10GB? Win98 was about 500, Win200 was 1 GB, what's next in size?)
Re:It's all in the keys (Score:1)
(or even better #make linux).
Minor rant: make clean is missing.
Re:This sounds like... (Score:1)
Let's see if I can get a good link into the IMDb [imdb.com]. Jon Carpenter's first film, IIRC.
Good Show (Score:1)
I get it... (Score:1)
What happened to IBM? A few years ago, they were dead. These days, it seems like their scientists and engineers crank out some amazing new technology once a week! Maybe corporate giants really can adapt to changing markets and reinvent themselves...
Re:It's all in the keys (Score:1)
Nah, that's dead technology!
Re:Nanotech drives? This could be bad. (Score:1)
As technology advances, the beeps will be replaced by nanomelodies stored in mp3 format somewhere on a spare/service track.
Caution: Don't whistle during church service or in a movie theatre. That would definitely waste your karma...
Ah, for the hearing-impaired, there's a nanoflashing version. Currently, only those with sausage fingers are out of luck: pliers mandatory.
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Re:What nanotech ist (Score:1)
NAME: anoncoward PASSWD:anoncoward (Score:1)
Pretty easy to remember tho
Re:Early storage device development (Score:1)
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Re:It's all in the keys (Score:1)
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Re:What I'd really like to see (Score:1)
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Re:This sounds like... (Score:1)
Tape Drives vrs. Disk Drives (Score:1)
Some people have suggested that eventually all backups will be to disk rather than tape.
Personally, I don't know. I mean those ATL's or DLT's really scream, especially when you get 16 or so going at once. But if instead of loading a DLT the robot loaded a cartridge with 250GB of mirrored disk, it might hum pretty good to. Then that disk pack could be taken off site, or swapped into another bot.
Mainly, I just want to take 1000+ picutes with my digital camera without having to download all the time. timbu
Re:My predictions (Score:1)
Make Seven
Re:But can... (Score:1)
Make Seven
Re:It's all in the keys (Score:1)
Re:x-late into hours of mp3? (Score:1)
Re:x-late into hours of mp3? (Score:1)
Re:nanotech? (Score:1)
Top Five Unforeseen Developments (Score:1)
5. Problems related to Heisenberg U.P. [uoregon.edu] allow you to know the drive is installed correctly, or know that the drive is turned on, but not both
4. Public schools ban nanotech drives because teachers can't see them and students use them for cheating
3. Cracker Jack includes a drive not just in every box but in every kernel of popcorn, puts Seagate and Western Digital out of business
2. Scanning electron microscope rental business booms because customers can't see if cables are inserted properly
1. In 2037, Trans-Nanotech Inc. (NYSE:2TNY) announces product to solve the problem of losing all those tiny drives: the floppy disk
Re:I get it... (Score:1)
Re:I get it... (Score:1)
They closed several plants.
They cleaned up their balance sheet in several other ways.
They changed aspects of their technology to make big systems easier to install and maintain.
They made it easier for big iron to be servers for non-IBM clients.
And far from least, the market decided that big iron was really valuable for lots of reasons having to do with security, flexibility, reliability, and shear capacity.
Re:What I'd really like to see (Score:1)
Big Blue's Nanobots (Score:1)
My Article Says 100,000 gigs! (Score:1)
Furthermore, the implications are incredible! What would happen to national security? People would be able to carry every secret of an entire country in something smaller than a wallet! I'd like to see the ECHELON monitor that! This stuff is way more serious than mp3s and huge programs... it would revolutionize the computer age! Fiber optics would only be good for real time data. Anyone who *really* wanted to transfer a lot of data would send a square inch hard drive by snail mail for 33 cents! This is way cool stuff!
Re:My predictions (Score:1)
I know this is way off topic
But sorry, buddy.
Anyone making referances to "Martin" has no room to talk back to someone.
Re:What I'd really like to see (Score:1)
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Re:uh, is there an easier way? (Score:1)
Can't the well-paid Intel marketers think up a better name, considering that the 586 was a -few- generations ago?
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Re:What nanotech ist (Score:1)
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Re:Microsoft might not be the first (Score:1)
You don't have to be a porn collector to accumulate space
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Wonder what Bill Joy thinks of this? (Score:1)
Re:This sounds like... (Score:1)
Re:So what's going to be the final limit? (Score:1)
I have a hard time imagining that one...
Quarks are incredibly tightly bound inside the neutron and proton; AFAIK (but it's been a while since I got my degree in physics), the only way to get any information about the quarks in a nucleon is through extremely high-energy collisions -- big particle accelerator stuff. I suspect you'd take your data medium apart in the attempt to read it.
But then again, a couple of hundred years ago it was theoretically impossible to do almost everything I manage to do in the course of an ordinary day... so who knows?
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Re:It's all in the keys (Score:1)
uh, is there an easier way? (Score:1)
thats kindof cool, because money is what progresses technology... but ibm will end up *owning* nanotech, and will create a monopoly out of the hardware, like pentium has done with their processors
im so sure technology improvements (like pI II III) come systematically and annually, coincidently after you upgrade to the previous chip
What nanotech ist (Score:1)
Re:What nanotech ist (Score:1)
Re:It's all in the keys (Score:1)
Re:It's all in the keys (Score:1)
Nanotech (Score:1)
What I'd really like to see (Score:2)
The biggest problem with portable devices (like MP3 players) is that storage is so expensive, because leaving a conventional HDD in a cold car can demagnitize and permanently damage it.
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Re:x-late into hours of mp3? (Score:2)
sorry
Re:What I'd really like to see (Score:2)
Huh? I know excessive heat can demagnetize, but excessive cold? IANAP [data], but I don't think so. At least not the kind of cold your car is likely to experience on the surface of the Earth...
Anecdotal evidence: I left an IBM 20GB HDD in a car at -20C (that's about -5F, for the uncivilized) for several hours, and it's had no problems. Of course, maybe I was just lucky, but I've never heard anything before that suggested that cold could demagnetize something.
Of course, cars can get very hot in the summer when parked in the sun, and portable MP3 players probably also take quite a beating. So I'd think heat and vibration would be the two big issues.
I don't know how the heat issue could be avoided with a magnetic drive, except perhaps building a themos-like heat shield around the thing. I doubt that there exists any material that can remain magnetic at very high temperatures and which is also suitable for high-density data storage.
Re:What I'd really like to see (Score:2)
I, my mother, my sister, and my father all regularly put our laptops (unless my sister steals mine to play Civ:CTP [lokigames.com] or HoMM3 [lokigames.com] or dad and I use his to look up flight charts) in the nose storage of a plane that flies at about 30,000 feet. No pressurization, no heat. And my laptop still works fine, thankee very much, sir (actually I'm looking at selling one of em if someone wants a TP 570 [ibm.com] -- works great, almost new). I believe that heat is another matter, but I've had some laptops that get hot enough that the manual specifically states that you should never, ever put it on your lap (which is where I have it), and the hard drive works just fine.
Another point is that this is self-assembling magnetic storage. I was at the last Foresight Convention on Nanotechnology [foresight.org], and for all the amazing and interesting things people had done or were trying to do, the real roadblock was self-assembly. building a motor with an AFM is not exactly practical.
Offtopic: why can't we make players that read/write MD media, and play MP3's? Now that is something I would buy instantly. (or when I have enough PointClick dollars [pointclick.com] to get one -- really offtopic: why doesn't PointClick [pointclick.com] let you use Mozilla [mozilla.org], dammit?)
Lea
Re:What I'd really like to see (Score:2)
sorry
in any case, you're going to get everything in between as well, but the temperatures are going to be very cold for the amount of vapor.
Lea
Link, no login... (Score:2)
...and for everyone whining about the nytimes.com login.
http://pa rtners.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/03/biztech/arti cles/17blue.html [nytimes.com]
IBM stuff in all hard drives.. (Score:2)
But just a reminder that IBM is a major producer of hard drive components, specificly the heads (which I would imagine are the hardest things to make).
So even if you dont see drives around outside a big blue dominated envirment, IBM is major player in the storage business, for insanly large requirements (which we all know) and everywhere else too.
And apparently they still have a nearly blank cheque research budget.
It's all in the keys (Score:2)
Where everyone walks around with a wristwatch size computer weighing 2 oz. capable of connecting to the global pervasive network wirelessly, with a bazillion byte hard disk, 1 TerraHertz (THz) processor, but still has
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a keyboard that weighs 2 LBS, and is larger than my arm!
just my 2 cents
cheers
Re:It's all in the keys (Score:2)
"make install ; make dep ; make zlilo ; make packages ; make packages_install"
76 letters and punctuation, about 2 seconds to figure out which of the ALPHABETICALLY ARRANGED letters to push, 12 backspaces to correct for when you try to type too fast,
and it takes longer to type out than to actually do the compile !!!
:-)
cheers
Re:So what's going to be the final limit? (Score:2)
Warning! This Petabyte contains a small particle accelerator! Do not jar while in operation or the release of of least 2 MJ may occur!
Warning! No user serviceable parts!
Warning! Do not taunt the Petabyte drive!
Later
Erik Z
They probably got a better marketing department. (Score:2)
Big box (Score:2)
Think of it as Happy Meals for Nerds.
Re:This sounds like... (Score:2)
See nanochip.com (Score:2)
So what's going to be the final limit? (Score:2)
However, it seems that the more storage we invent, the more we need so in that jug of water all you would probaly fit would be Windows3000. The real problem isn't being addressed here: how to use the storage we have efficiently rather than how to invent more to waste.
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Re:Early storage device development (Score:2)
And right now that seems to be the biggest problem they face with this technology, too.
From my point of view, the most interesting thing about this development (and one of the least commented-on, for some reason) is the fact that they're using bottom-up assembly for the recording medium, instead of a top-down process like almost everything else has required. This is a ground-breaking development in the nanotechnology field: instead of using an atomic force microscope to drag atoms into place, they're growing the magnetic domains in their final, self-organized locations.
This is great stuff!
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Re:It's all in the keys (Score:3)
> network wirelessly, with a bazillion byte hard disk, 1 TerraHertz (THz) processor, but still has
> a keyboard that weighs 2 LBS, and is larger than my arm!
Nah, man. You're missing the point. Once we get these babies cranked up, they'll be giving YOU orders. Then all we have to do is hook a keyboard onto you, and you'll be fully configured to do the bidding of your new overlord and master.
(Wristwatch-sized e-brain, upon hearing of the latest wetware in human peripherals:) "Hmmm. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these things..."
DVDs (Score:3)
Nanotech drives? This could be bad. (Score:3)
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Re:x-late into hours of mp3? (Score:3)
These would probably fit:
News Direct From IBM Research (Score:3)
Re:Nanotech drives? This could be bad. (Score:3)
"Hey, Larry's snorted the new portal again! Quick, where are those the needle nose pliers?"
Early storage device development (Score:3)
Anyway, my point is, we see alot more new technology storage devices in development than we actually see come to market. Its a little like drug design (a field I'm familiar with), where only a very small percentage of potential drugs actually make it to market.
-- Moondog
x-late into hours of mp3? (Score:4)
Where is CmdrTaco's translation from storage space into hours of mp3? I depend on this information to plan my future music library! When will it reach the point that you can fit the music equivilent of the library-of-congress onto a single storage device?
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My predictions (Score:4)
My company just bought a huge HP server. It's roomy enough to sit seven for dinner, muliple redundant power supplies, a 6 disk RAID system, ad nauseum. It's very impressive to look at. Of course, I could build a system to do the same thing at a fraction of the cost, but nobody would buy it because it's small, and doesn't Look Cool.
That's the hidden thing that many companies don't realize. Why did Intel start making CPU *cartridges*? Simple - a small 2x2 inch slab of silicon looks pathetic. "You paid $800 for *THAT*? Ahahahahaha!" They say. Now, you go and show them a stylish cartridge with a cool hologram on the side and all of the sudden "ooh, ahh!" and they want one too.
Nanotech is doomed.. it's too small. =)
Same info is on news.com (Score:4)
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1575458.html
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Re:IBM stuff in all hard drives.. (Score:5)
The heads are a definitely an important product for IBM. And yes, you can find them in other vendor's products. As for the hardest part to make, perhaps, but there is another piece that is just as tough. The flex cable.
Flex cable is the ribbon that connects the actuator to the electronics. Sounds easy, but you have to remember that this thing is moving (flexing) constantly. Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, thousands and millions of times. It takes some serious physics to design these parts, while minimizing the costs. Constant movement inside a little oven, and you have to design these things to cost you pennies. Not easy.
These are just two parts. What else is tough to make and requires significant engineering?
This is just what I can come up with off the top of my head. The HDD world is a great mix of software and hardware (and some really genius R&D people). The cost to enter this market is absolutely enormous. And to remain in the lead requires a constant investment.