If the US presidential election were today, I would:
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Howie Hawkins (Score:2)
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You want some sanity reinserted into these United States? Vote for Biden, even if you don't 100% agree with him. It's better than 4 more years of Trump.
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You want some sanity [...]? Vote for Biden
That is a very bad choice of words.
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Re:Howie Hawkins (Score:4, Insightful)
Nuclear is currently one of the most expensive energy sources, and one with the waste problem still unsolved.
So? It's expensive? So what?
We keep hearing how it will cost a bazillion dollars to get out of the climate crisis, and might cost even more if we don't do anything. "It's not all that economically feasible" is wussy talk when the alternatives are so much more expensive.
Because the choice here isn't "nuclear vs wind and solar," it's "nuclear vs coal and gas" for reliable power generation.
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We are talking here about single reactors rated around 1.5 GW each. If you have 9 bn or 25 bn at hand, and just buy wind turbines or solar panels and put them somewhere, you will easily get 1.5 GW power out of them. Normal wind turbines cost about $1000 per kW, thus 1.5 bn buys you 1.5 GW of maximum output, and with 9 bn, even if your windmills run only at 20 percent peak power, you easily get an Olkiluoto III replacement, and still have spare cash for a large akkumulator array. In fact on average, a wind turbine runs about 1500 hrs to 1800 hrs per year at full power, which is quite close to 20% of total hours.
Yeah and when its cloudy, or night, those solar panels don't do much for you. Or how about when its not windy enough or to windy or blowing in the wrong direction so much for your windmills. Meanwhile the nuclear power plant can provide consistent power 24 7 365. New design besides being mechanically incapable of meltdown, use nuclear waste from old design as fuel. So we can get rid of old nuclear waste and actually make things better than they stand now.
Nuclear power (Score:2)
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Yes they did, when they turned off the safety controls and ran the reactor way outside of its design spec...
A number of other reactors of the same design were still running, and some still are running today. Newer reactors are designed to provide more protection against stupidity of the operators.
Re: Howie Hawkins (Score:3, Insightful)
JESUS CHRIST, are you literally neurally unable to think outside the binary partisan box??
What is wrong with people like you?
YOUR job is to not vote Dems/Reps either, so it becomes a real option! It is YOU people who fuck this up, and then have the audacity to make what you are currently fulfilling into a prophecy!
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The only thing I have to say is learn the meaning of Facist please, and read more for varied sources, not just the ones that you agree with, and most importantly open your mouth less.
Re: Howie Hawkins (Score:4, Insightful)
He's right though. Voting for a 3rd party is like not voting at all so if there's a candidate you prefer, you're actually taking away votes from them by voting for a 3rd party. Even if your 3rd party candidate did get a significant number of votes, you wouldn't get more representation, it would just go to congress which would most likely pick a Republican president.
The system needs to be fixed, but voting for a 3rd party candidate isn't the way
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If I feel strongly against one sides platform I will vote for a platform that I don't strongly disagree with. Otherwise I will vote off-meta. It is far better in the long term to vote 3rd party. Imagine there's nothing but Big Macs and Whoppers and you hate both Big Macs and Whoppers. A long comes a taco truck you know isn't going to make it in the market but you love tacos. You buy a taco and both Whopper boy and Big Mac attacks are going to start thinking, "Hey, what can I do to get this guy's business."
Re: Howie Hawkins (Score:4, Insightful)
Or are yo a stealth Trump supporter trying to convince non-Trump voters to piss away their votes? If you are, then you can fuck right off for attempting to subvert our electoral system.
Re: Howie Hawkins (Score:5, Insightful)
I used to be non-partisan, for many many years. I sat on the fence and voted for issues, not candidates. Two years ago I saw I can't do that anymore. I registered as Democrat, as much out of necessity as I did out of protest against the twisted, evil, hateful mess the GOP has become since I was a kid (I'm in my 50's). I'll vote Democrat right down the line just to keep Republicans out of office. I wish I could go back and vote for HIllary Clinton, even if I don't like or trust her much, because I see it would be better than Trump and his corrupt bullshit. Do you think I LIKE doing this? But guess what: ALL OUR CHOICES HAVE ALREADY BEEN SEVERELY LIMITED. You either get off the fence or you get swept away by the lies and corrupt bullshit.
So that's the bottom line, friend: Right now, today, you can't sit on the fence. You can't vote for a 3rd party candidate, because if you do, you are part of the problem, even if unwittingly. When someone says to you "a vote for {3rd party candidate} is a vote for Trump", they are not bullying you, they are telling you the hard, cold, cruel truth-of-the-world. Don't like Biden all that much? Hold your nose and vote for him anyway, because he'll at least undo the damage Trump has done in 4 years, and do less damage himself overall. Then you have 4 to 8 years to work on 'getting better candidates' in the running, if you actually care enough about the issue long-term as you claim.
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It's interesting that we're watching the same movie but seeing completely different stories. I feel 100% opposite of you. Before 2016, I would vote for the person I thought was best for the job. Usually republican, but not always. Now I wouldn't vote for a county dog catcher if that person was a democrat.
There may be a lot of bad republicans. But there are no good democrats.
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A third party doesn't need to win to make a difference. if a third party candidate starts to pull enough votes to get the attention of politicians, then the politicians will start looking more closely at third party policies.
Also, voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
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VOTE CTHULU 2020 (Score:5, Funny)
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Can't someone reboot 2020?
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Apparently Kanye West has dropped out.
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Maybe because he discovered that he would take voters from Trump and he likes Trump?
One narcissist to another.
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The theory was that he could split the black vote and ruin it for Biden, but I think the reality is it was just some half baked idea he tweeted out while high.
Re:VOTE CTHULU 2020 (Score:5, Funny)
The theory was that he could split the black vote and ruin it for Biden, but I think the reality is it was just some half baked idea he tweeted out while high.
it goes without saying that any thought Kanye had, was one he had while high.
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I just wanted to see him rush the stage at the election party, interrupt the winner, and tell everyone what a great candidate the other guy was.
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Apparently Kanye West has dropped out.
But I'm still quite disappointed he wasn't included on the poll.
Splitting the mentally ill vote with Trump, but maybe that's the majority in America now? (Disclaimer: I concluded almost everyone is at least a little bit nuts, even before 2016...)
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It's pretty telling that in 2020 Kanye would have been the least mentally ill of the top 4 candidates.
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"No Lives Matter" (Score:2)
Exactly.
"Why settle for a lesser evil?"
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I would absolutely tune in to watch a debate between Trump and Cthulhu.
which one has the bigger reality distortion field?
More american centric crap (Score:3, Insightful)
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You may think america is "all that". but your not. There is intelligent life outside of america, its almost exclusively outside of america.
Attention shoppers, we have some missing irony at the service desk. Would the owner of this irony please come and collect it
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So you are saying there are "at least as many idiots and jackasses in the EU" as in the U.S. I'm not so sure.
There are functional multi-party political systems in many European countries, and in the European Union itself.
Your chance of getting a gun drawn on you in Europe is pretty close to zero.
Racism is nowhere near the same level.
There are far fewer gun nuts in Europe and a far lower homicide rate.
Common infrastructure tends to be better. By infrastructure I mean electricity, water, roads, public transpo
I couldn't vote here either (Score:3)
At least in Soviet Russia... (Score:2)
Two round system (Score:2)
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The problem is, for the most part, the only people with the power to change the voting system are the two parties who benefit from the current system.
Re:Two round system (Score:5, Interesting)
Really? For Biden? (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah I immediately lost all respect for all y'yall :D.
Regards from Switzerland
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Rösti is not eligible, unlike Alexander Boris de Pfeffel.
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incompetent fascist who surrounds himself with incompetent fascists, or a right-centrist who's getting old but tends to surround himself with competent people
I've never understood the argument that Trump is a fascist. The democrat party is far more fascist. The democrat party is the party that is actively trying to kill free speech and suppress opposition. Trump on the other hand has slashed regulations and has deferred to the states during covid-19 while it has been the democrat states that have passed insane laws like restricting people from going to empty beaches.
In this election, Biden may be far from ideal, but he's not actually evil.
No, Biden isn't evil. I believe he's mostly an empty shell at this point. The problem is he
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I think the confusion arises because people throw the word "fascist" around with no regard to its actual definition, economic, historical, or otherwise. I think it is a very valid question if the POTUS can be pro-corporate, pro-big-business and not be a fascist.
From the viewpoint of the proletariat, there is no difference if the government controls business, or if business controls government as we currently have in the USA. Publicly funded elections, and a few changes to tax code would end all that in favo
Re:Really? For Biden? (Score:5, Interesting)
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I'd vote for Mickey Mouse over Donald Trump if that were the only realistic option.
Don't go saying that Disney might hear it and make a claim at corporate person-hood equating to citizenship and that should then able them to able to run...
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A vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote for Trump. Period. It's an unfortunate fact of life in American politics, but it's not going to change until we change our voting system. We're starting to - some places (like here in Oregon) are starting, slowly, to shift to instant runoff voting, but we've a long ways to go before we can get away from voting for the lessor of evils.
Nope I live in a blue state that hasn't voted red in my lifetime and my district had voted red for as long as I can remember. It doesn't mater who I vote for my district will go red and my state will go blue throwing my voter 3rd party will be statistical noise.
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This here is a comment by a die-hard Trump supporter pretending to be a moderate.
No one else looks at Trump and says "well Trump's utterly incompetent, his inaction has destroyed the US economy, he's openly corrupt and policies have made us the laughing stock of the world... but I saw a meme that Biden hangs out with people that want to tear down the Lincoln Memorial, so my vote goes to Trump"
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Almost as if that's not what Democrats want and it's just what Republican propaganda is pushing...
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You've got to be kidding - have you seen the numbers? The US is the only country where the virus is still spreading exponentially. Some states have done a better job of controlling it than others (e.g. in NY it's under control, in FL it's a disaster). Proper leadership at the national level could have made it so all states were doing well, but instead we had a guy who refused to even wear a mask and says the whole thing will just blow over on its own.
States that support and listen to Trump are doing muc
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Looks like you accidentally posted the chart of deaths instead of the spread of the virus. Here's ones that compares US and Europe: https://www.worldometers.info/... [worldometers.info] You can see the US is going sharply upwards, Europe has flattened
NY was hit hard at the start before there were really plans to deal with it. You can see the graphs of them as well as me - there was a large spike and then it was controlled. It was sort of a disaster at first because the US wasn't prepared and NYC is quite dense
FL on the othe
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Who are the fascists?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/ [washingtonpost.com]
Re:Really? For Biden? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
If you pay attention at all to what he says, this very much fits.
Re: Really? For Biden? (Score:2)
Hello fake news fakes news ??!! OMG. We need Fox News and AM Right wing nutcases to set the record straight and to tell me how to think isn't coming from the Democrats. It's coming from your party in the name of standing up for free speech of course
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It is because you an idiot. Fascism is an extreme right wing standpoint easily identified with their militarism, jingoism, blaming foreigners, pushing pseudo science, and eroding democratic institution. Trump does all of that.. ALL OF IT!
Re: The paradox of antifa (Score:2)
Suppressing and undermining freedom of the press, spreading propaganda and lies, portraying political opponents as communist, etc.
No hes not supporting American ideals.
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Suppressing and undermining freedom of the press, spreading propaganda and lies, portraying political opponents as communist, etc.
No hes not supporting American ideals.
Trump is a demagogue and both Dems and Reps are authoritarians. There is more than one political axis. A vote for Stalin and a vote for Mussolini are both votes for bad people.
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For the last 4 years I've watched people wring their hands, expecting that Trump would take the first opportunity to suspend the rule of law and roll tanks into cities to quell all dissent.
If CHAZ, a literal insurrection, isn't enough to get him to invoke the insurrection act; if a nation full of violent riots and murder isn't enough to get him to send in the tanks, then what in the world do you think he's waiting for?
Surely by now he'd have ripped off the mask and revealed the Adolph moustache?
Why should we not look at all of this talk of the dictatorial facist Trump as hysterical alarmism?
Because that would have resulted in the Washington state governor telling Trump to get the fuck out of his state. And clash between the the US Army and the Washington State Guard would make the president look bad.
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> CHAZ, a literal insurrection Sorry I was there, CHAZ was nothing more than a weed fueled, pacifist sit-in
You CLEARLY weren't there. Otherwise you'd know about all the violence and shootings that occurred there.
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Have you ever listened to our only other choice - Trump? The way our system is setup, there can only be two candidates or it all breaks down. It's kind of a disaster, but not something that can be solved by voting for people that aren't the two primary candidates.
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It's ok. We'll survive your scorn. 4 more years - not so much.
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sure, because the alternative is the kleptocrat and cronies for another 4
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Surely you mean Russia, right?
The DNC has assured a Trump win (Score:2, Insightful)
The DNC could have nominated almost anyone else, except maybe Hillary, and had a chance. Creepy Joe? It's like they want Trump to win.
All the Republicans have to do is continuously run the clips of Creepy Joe fondling young girls at public events. His self-evident senility is just a bonus.
Re:The DNC has assured a Trump win (Score:4, Insightful)
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Anyone who doesn't think Biden is a creep hasn't seen those clips. Get behind a young girl at a public event, and fondle her on stage, where she doesn't dare react. All it takes is the chutzpah to do it. No surprise that Biden was yet another Epstein "friend". He's a creep and doesn't care who knows it.
If his poll results remain good, those video clips will solve the problem. Seriously, go have a look, they're on YouTube.
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You have to understand that Biden is being graded on a curve here. Yeah, Biden made some women uncomfortable putting his hands on their shoulders too long in public. But Trump literally bribed a porn star not to talk about the affair they were having while his wife was home with his newborn son. Then there's the walking through the Miss America dressing room to oogle the contestants, "grab 'em by the pussy", calling his niece "stacked', etc., etc.
Like or hate Biden's policy proposals, a large swath of the c
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The sexual assault allegations against Biden pretty much fell apart. The location where the assault supposedly happened literally does not exist (an alcove in a hallway that does not have alcoves). The accuser also has a history of false statements.
But we aren't talking about who is worse. It's the simple matter that Biden behaves as a relatively normal human being, while Trump does not. It takes some pretty impressive blinders not to see that.
Re: The DNC has assured a Trump win (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone who doesn't think Biden is a creep hasn't seen those clips.
Yes, that's rather my point. Most people haven't seen those clips. Most people won't ever see those clips. Most people don't spend their days actively searching YouTube for clips of political candidates being creepy, and since they are "old news", the odds of them being widely played on TV news in future are minimal. You know what they have seen of Biden? Eight years of him standing next to Barack Obama.
And even if I'm wrong, and the clips do get widespread circulation in future, I doubt they'll have the kind of impact you're anticipating. People have become so used to political campaigns getting dirty, they're so used to seeing people throwing around allegations that the other guy is a creep, that they've started to tune this sort of thing out. How else do you explain Trump managing to get elected despite the numerous scandals surrounding him?
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Of course, it's also shared by Trump supporters
Re: The DNC has assured a Trump win (Score:3)
Joe can shoot a man on 5th avenue and I'll still vote for him over Trump
Kanye (Score:2)
Kanye for President. (Score:3)
Kanye - Twitty 2020
If that happens anyone but that rapist biden.
Nobody of is has ever voted! (Score:2)
If the actual citizens of this country (those with lobbyists) pick a handful of figureheads for us, that all de-facto result in the same policies, but are presented as very different, so we get the delusion of choice, then it is not we who have voted.
Which is why I get why certain people picked Trump. At least he did not play that game.
Too bad his game wasn't much better. But al least you know where you're at.
Reminds me of Iranians picking Ayatolla to get rid of the Shah (puppet). A story of unimaginable d
Re: Nobody of us has ever voted! (Score:2)
Of US! Goddammit!
Andrew MF Yang (Score:2)
My vote would have been for Andrew MF Yang.
#Yang2020 #Yang2024 #YangGang
And the winner is... (Score:2)
Missing option... (Score:2)
1/6th of Slashdot is centipedes (Score:2)
Half as much as the general US population, but still far too much.
Both choices suck, and everyone knows it (Score:2)
Face it folks, Joe Biden is even worse than Hillary Clinton in every measure. Donald Trump is the worst president in US history. You are living through a major historical event, a massive social test. How much suck up are you all willing to do? It is a no-win choice either way, which means you really don't have a choice.
Catch-22 folks. You can't win, no matter who you choose.
I really wish the working people on the left and right would get together to run the Trumps and Bidens out of Washington together. But
VERMIN SUPEREME (Score:2)
Saltines and Plain Broth (Score:4, Insightful)
Back in the 80s, Arizona had a Republican governor by the name of Evan Meacham. Businessman, no real political experience (sound familiar?). He was so thoroughly rejected by the government's immune system that he was the first governor in America to be simultaneously impeached and recalled (!).
The lady that followed for the rest of his term was an unassuming Secretary of State named Rose Mofford. Unlike Meacham, she was basically uncontroversial, experienced in government, and (most importantly) competent. She was the saltines-and-plain-broth for a political hangover.
Relatively uncontroversial, experienced, and competent. Does that sound like any of the current candidates?
Saltines and plain broth 2020!
I really miss (Score:4, Insightful)
I really miss the CowboyNeal option right now.
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"... leadership during the current crises." - This web page [donaldjtrump.com] has a very long list of things that the Trump administration has done regarding COVID-19 - from Dec. 31, 2019 to April 24, 2020. Even though it covers less than four months, it lists a lot of actions.
Some of the "actions" in the list didn't help with COVID-19, like "February 7: President Trump told reporters that the CDC is working with China on the coronavirus." But some actions were helpful, like restricting entry to the US on Jan. 31 and Feb. 2,
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I don't think restricting entry was to do with COVID; he's been trying to do that for years and the courts keep telling him he's a racist. He just found an excuse this time people would buy.
What else has he done that's been helpful? The White House is attempting to discredit Fauci because people are being stupid and not wearing masks and he's forcing people aside so he can take a photo-op in front of a church. He lies about testing, reporting, and anything else he can. I wish he had done this right; four ye
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" But some actions were helpful, like restricting entry to the US on Jan. 31 and Feb. 2, which helped to slow the spread into the US.
I don't agree with everything Trump has done. For example, I wish he had started to wear a mask sooner. And I wish his tweets were more about what he's done, and less about how he doesn't like his opposition. But generally, I'm happy with his COVID-19 response.
Except, he didn't really restrict entry. The following are some of a number of people exempted in that Jan 31st order: American Citizens Lawful Permanent Residents (i.e. “green card” holders). Spouses of U.S. citizens or Lawful Permanent Residents. Parents or legal guardians of U.S. citizens or Lawful Permanent Residents (provided the U.S. citizen or Lawful Permanent Resident is unmarried and under the age of 21). Siblings of U.S. citizens or Lawful Permanent Residents (provided the foreign nat
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Why aren't there any good candidates anymore?
Because America doesn't want them. They may think that they want them, but their actions show otherwise.
Over the last 4 or 5 elections, there have been several good candidates, most of which do not make it through the primaries. Good candidates are dragged through the mud over a misinterpreted remark or an action from their youth. Often the candidate that is elected had said or done worse things than the one that was rejected. "< #1 > said a bad thing about < group > . < #2 > both said man
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Replace the current staggered primary system with the same single date primary vote for all states like the general election, preferably with ranked voting, and many of the current issues would go away.
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Trump was certainly not part of the Republican establishment.
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Yes, but only if you somehow persuade one or more major parties to adopt approval voting or RCV/IRV (or RCV/somethingelse) for their primaries. If (and only if) you do that, then you can (and possib
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He could've directed his administration to put out a calm, steady message based on the most accurate information available at the time. He could have tried to build consensus instead of using a public health emergency as another wedge issue to motivate his base. He could have deferred to the experts in his government rather than undermine them.
In other words, he could have taken steps to actually lead.
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He is bad.
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That rate ought to be uniform, but is, instead, much higher in certain Democrat-dominated States.
You're comparing states that have already passed the case peak (or, at least the first one) with states that are still in the case peak. With death lagging infections by up to a month, you cannot compare the death rates vs infected rates at the moment and say anything at all useful about them. You can, however, get a better idea by comparing deaths vs resolved cases. When you do this, you get a lot closer: Florida 12%, Georgia 13%, New York 13%.
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