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Bill Gates Urges Investing in Faster Development for Life-Saving Drugs (nytimes.com) 58

The Covid-19 pandemic "would look very different if scientists had been able to develop a treatment sooner," writes Bill Gates, in a guest essay Friday in the New York Times. This ultimately would've reduced fatalities — "and it may have been harder for myths and misinformation to spread the way they did."

But note that Gates said "treatment" — not vaccine. Gates believes most people in the public health community had expected an effective treatment would appear before vaccines became available. Unfortunately, that's not what happened. Safe, effective Covid vaccines were available within a year — a historic feat — but treatments that could keep large numbers of people out of the hospital were surprisingly slow out of the gate....

In late 2021, a few of their efforts paid off — not as soon as would have been ideal, but still in time to have a big impact. Merck and its partners developed an antiviral called molnupiravir, which was shown to significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization or death for people at high risk. Soon after, another oral antiviral, Paxlovid, made by Pfizer, also proved to be very effective, reducing the risk of severe illness or death by nearly 90 percent among high-risk, unvaccinated adults. These drugs are useful tools for combating the pandemic, but they arrived much later than they should have and, for many, they are still difficult to access....

It's a mistake to think of vaccines as the star of the show and therapeutics as the opening act you would just as soon skip. We're lucky that scientists made Covid vaccines as quickly as they did — if they hadn't, the death toll would be far worse. But in the event of another pandemic, even if the world is able to develop a vaccine for a new pathogen in 100 days, it will still take a long time to get the vaccine to most of the population.... With good therapeutics, the risk of severe illness and death could drop significantly, and countries could decide to loosen restrictions on schools and businesses, reducing the disruption to education and the economy. What's more, imagine how people's lives would change if we're able to take the next step by linking testing and treatment. Anyone with early symptoms that might indicate Covid (or any other viral disease) could walk into a pharmacy or clinic anywhere in the world, get tested and, if positive for the virus, walk out with antivirals to take at home....

In short, although therapeutics didn't rescue us from Covid, they hold a lot of promise for saving lives and preventing future outbreaks from crippling health systems. But to make the most of that promise, the world needs to invest in the research and systems we'll need to find treatments much faster. That's why my foundation has supported a therapeutics accelerator at Duke University, but broader initiatives will be necessary to make lasting change. This will require substantial investment to bring together academia, industry and the latest software tools. But if we succeed, the next time the world faces an outbreak, we'll save millions more lives.

Gates offers several specific recommendations — including "investing in large libraries of drug compounds that researchers can quickly scan to see whether existing therapies work against new pathogens." And... With advances in artificial intelligence and machine learning, it's now possible to use computers to identify weak spots on pathogens that we already know about, and we'll be able to do the same when new pathogens arise. These technologies are also speeding up the search for new compounds that will attack those weak spots. With adequate funding, various groups could take the most promising new compounds through Phase 1 studies even before there's an epidemic, or at least have several leads that can be turned into a product quickly once we know what the target looks like.
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Bill Gates Urges Investing in Faster Development for Life-Saving Drugs

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  • Effective? (Score:2, Insightful)

    They don't seem to be all that effective to me.

  • Thalidomide (Score:3, Informative)

    by jmccue ( 834797 ) on Saturday April 16, 2022 @01:21PM (#62452298) Homepage

    I guess he never herd of thalidomide:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    He is old enough to have seen the results, someone in my neighborhood had real bad defects due to the use of this drug.

    Looks like Drug Industry is trying to follow the Finance Industry in removing all safeguards.

    • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Saturday April 16, 2022 @01:51PM (#62452344) Journal
      All new drugs carry risks since you cannot test for every possible side effect in every person. However, if the drug significantly reduces your chance of death from a deadly disease the relative risk of taking it vs. not taking it changes significantly.

      It's the same for vaccines. The main reason I took the Covid vaccine was that it was very clear that the risk of death from Covid was much, much higher than any possible rare side effect from the vaccine. When you have a disease with a ~1% chance of death you do not need much testing to show that your drug or vaccination is safer than that.
      • by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Saturday April 16, 2022 @02:45PM (#62452470)
        And lets not forget the vaccine is virtually a one-time exposure. Ok 3 times for covid, but you get the idea. The pharmaceutical stuff that concerned shit out of me is the ones they run commercials for. Theres this one commercial where some girl is holding up a popsicle stick with a circle smiley face on it. Its an ad for some sort of supplement to an anti-depressant. Listen to the long list of side effects. They sound so much more horrible than just a flat affect. You might die, you might have clotting or heart attack, develop diabetes, but hey you wont have a flat mood anymore.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Yes, I'm sure Bill Gates and the horde of very smart, expensive people he employs and listens to have never heard of "thalidomide" and need a Wikipedia link, because they are all 23 years old.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Ah --- Thalidomide is NOT a vaccine.

      Thalidomide was commonly used as an anti-morning sickness treatment. It was found to cause sever birth defects. It did not pass muster by the FDA in the US but was used in Canada, GB, Spain, NZ and Australia - too mention a few.

      Thalidomide is still in use today used for treating "Multiple myeloma Erythema nodosum leprosum Prevent recurrence of cutaneous ENL lesions Recurrent aphthous stomatitis". Your analogy just sucks.

      Penicillin is not a vaccine either and it is not

      • The interesting thing is that the reason it was used so much outside of the USA was because other countries didn't have the equivalent of the then quite new FDA that required testing before approving new drugs, thalidomide was what caused FDA like organizations to crop up everywhere. So it's again one of those examples that are really stupid for the antivaxers to bring up since it completely refutes their claims.
  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Saturday April 16, 2022 @01:23PM (#62452302) Journal
    While we are pre-occupied with "life-saving" drugs, scum of the earth buy up generic drug manufacturers and jack up the price beyond anything reasonable.

    Educate the public about how the drug companies extend patents by underhanded means. Allow govt to negotiate prices like any other large buyer.

  • summary (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cats-paw ( 34890 ) on Saturday April 16, 2022 @01:24PM (#62452304) Homepage

    Smartest guy in the world says "we should do something".

    epidemiologists, virologists and people who knew a lot more than Bill Gates than a pandemic was going to get here, whether we liked it or not.

    Then it gets here and everybody is "did you see that Bill Gates TED talk where he warned us about the possibility of a pandemic ?". Never mind that the warnings had been there all along.

    Seriously, WTF ?

    So basically we only listen to experts when we hear a billionaire repeat it ?

    now the billionaire says "we should do something". You know who's doing something ? Biden. He's increasing the budgets in the NIH and other agencies so that these techniques can be used to actually get something done. And hopefully it will be done so that the drugs can be more easily and economically available for everyone, instead of having to pay monopoly prices subsidized by the government because "free market".

    Bill Gates should talk about how the "private" healthcare system doesn't fucking work in this country and it's because of too rich assholes like him who think we should maintain the status quo.

    • The biggest mistake I saw the experts make was they put all their eggs in the flu basket. As far back as the 70s people were talking about the worst thing that could happen is weaponizing the common cold viruses. It really irritated me that our playbook at the onset of Covid was 100% a flu playbook; as if nobody spent even a year making a playbook for Weaponized cold. We wouldve been better prepared if we had built a playbook around weaponizing the cold. I doubt anybodyâ(TM)s gonna sit down and pick a
    • by marcle ( 1575627 )

      It always irks me that Gates gets credibility as some kind of expert on everything. Based on his hsitory, it's likely that he knows quite a bit about programming and cut-throat business practices. It's likely that he knows very little about social graces. As far as any other subject matter goes, I wouldn't give him any more credence than the average schmo.

    • That's not what he said. He said we should invest more. And yes, it is something experts already knew.. so what? Experts knew, and were working on electric cars (example: AC Propulsion tzero), re-usable rockets (example, NASA DC-X, Masten Aerospace Xombie etc.), and self driving cars. But then, there was very little investment in it. And the people working on it had no business skills or money. Do you remember when Elon Musk when to AC Propulsion to invest in their electric car, and they told him to fuck of

    • Gates doesn't pretend to be an expert at all, The reality is people don't listen to the experts unless they are famous, it is a sad indictment on humanity. All credit to Gates for at least repeating what the experts are saying so it actually gets attention.
  • Vaccines are where the money is, you have to immunize everyone on the planet, so you sell a LOT of doses... while saving the lives of people who are at risk is a LOT less sales, so it's a business decision to focus on vaccines that will make you rich.
  • by gurps_npc ( 621217 ) on Saturday April 16, 2022 @01:37PM (#62452320) Homepage

    One of the major flaws in our plutocratic (NOT capitalistic) health care system is that it treats Cures, Prevention, and Treatments differently.

    The honest truth is that treatments are far more more profitable than preventive measures, which are far more profitable than cures. Treatments are forever and the patients will pay anything for them. Preventatives must be used by all that are susceptible, so we require them to be cheaper. Cures are one use, and only on those that are sick, so total cost for the population is much less.

    But that is the exact opposite of what the patients desire. We prefer cures, like prevention, but are only willing to accept treatments. Cures end the problem. Prevention may decrease it for society but do nothing for those already ill - and require far more effort by the society. Treatment will help, but it still leaves you sick, only ameliorating the symptoms.

    Given this situation, society should treat these three things differently as a matter of law and economics.

    Cures cure be tax free profits. Prevention could be given long patent rights. But treatments should be heavily taxed with limited patent rights. We do NOT want those treatments to be used forever, we want preventives and cures to be developed.

    For example, we want ALL the pharmaceutical companies to actively look for a cure for Diabetes and chlorestal, rather than doing their best to keep the Insulin and Statin money train running.

    • Thank you for that insightful post on the different socio-econo-health implications of Cure Vs Prevention vs Treatment!

    • There is already a "cure" for Type II diabetes based on lifestyle/nutritional change (which also greatly reduces Type I complications too) -- but it is not generally profitable to push it:
      "The End of Diabetes: The Eat to Live Plan to Prevent and Reverse Diabetes (Eat for Life)" by Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
      https://www.amazon.com/End-Dia... [amazon.com]
      "The New York Times bestselling author of Eat to Live and Super Immunity and one of the country's leading experts on preventive medicine offers a scientifically proven, practical

      • I am disappointed in your long, rambling, response full of logical errors. What you call cures are preventions, not cures. As directly stated in the NYT article. They literally said it prevented diabetes, when the author had presented it, falsely, as a cure. Trying to pretend a preventive method is a cure is the work of a scam artist trying to sell it. Worse, it is not effective.

        Too often we like to blame people for things that are not always there fault. If most people cannot stick to your preventiv

        • If someone has a life-threatening debilitating illness (like Type II diabetes) and they make some change recommended by a health care practitioner and every aspect of their illness goes away for the rest of their life (plus the side effects are only that they feel great and live longer with more mental clarity), what would most people call that? Prevention? Cure? Or something else, like a "miracle"? :-)

          Unlike a diet of pills, people are adapted for hundreds of thousands of years to eat a diet heavy in veget

  • even if the world is able to develop a vaccine for a new pathogen in 100 days, it will still take a long time to get the vaccine to most of the population

    True, but that would also apply to a new drug as well so how is this an advantage over vaccines?

    Ideally, we want both a vaccination and a treatment. The vaccination will massively reduce the number of people getting seriously ill and the treatment is needed for those unfortunate enough to still get sick because no vaccination is perfect.

    I'm not sure why the development time for a new drug to treat Covid was regarded as "slow" though. What is the typical time to develop new drug treatments? It took th

    • Yeah I would not call the treatment methods for Covid as slow. Availability may not have been as widespread as we would have liked. Esp for the antibody treatment. But if you compare its development to that a Tamiflu we are doing really damn well.
  • by pz ( 113803 ) on Saturday April 16, 2022 @02:20PM (#62452402) Journal

    1. For two possible interventions (vaccine, therapeutics) that carry the equivalent risk, prevention is preferable to treatment.

    2. This argument is specious:

    But in the event of another pandemic, even if the world is able to develop a vaccine for a new pathogen in 100 days, it will still take a long time to get the vaccine to most of the population....

    It will also take a long time to get a new therapeutic to most of the population. And it definitely won't take 100 days to create it. Making a vaccine is a much, much simpler task than making a drug that selectively interferes with a pathogen without harming the human.

    Yes, we should put effort into therapeutics for COVID-19 and other diseases. There will always be breakthrough infections or instances where vaccines just wouldn't be effective (e.g., immunocompromised patients), such that therapeutics are the last, perhaps only, line of defense. But prevention is far more desirable than treatment.

    We eradicated smallpox through vaccination, not treatment. We're close to doing the same with polio. We have a fighting chance still of doing it with TB and measles. The distant horizon looks good for HPV, and therefore cervical cancer, if certain parts of society can get over themselves and let all children be vaccinated.

    Even at the individual level, prevention is better than treatment: in terms of impact to your daily life, you can either (a) get a shot or two, each maybe taking up 30 minutes of your life, scheduled at your convenience, or (b) get sick at some random point in time and seek treatment which means going to a doctor, maybe being checked into a hospital, feeling like crap for multiple days until the therapeutics start working, etc. Option A is less of a disruption than doing the weekly grocery shopping. Option B is at very least a full day, possibly much more, at a time you cannot control.

    Prevention is a better strategy than relying on treatment.

    • by Moochman ( 54872 )

      Your arguments are logical on the surface of it, but they're missing a couple of key points:

      1) Drugs, unlike vaccines, can be reused to treat illnesses beyond their original target. This was in fact the case with COVID, and had drug trials been better coordinated, plenty of hospital beds could arguably have been freed up, especially pre-vaccine and in areas of the world where vaccine distribution was behind the curve. Because we're talking about existing drugs, potentially in generic form, they can be more

      • the main problem with 1) is that all the drugs that cure covid-19 are novel drugs, all the old drugs that where tested turned ot to be worthless in the end. The single reason why there where an initial report of ivermectin working was because pre-prints where readily available during the pandemic.
        • by Moochman ( 54872 )
          That is not correct. I'm not talking about ivermectin. A quick Google of "existing drugs that treat covid" yields:
          https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-researchers-see-hope-in-existing-drugs/6432976.html
          https://www.biopath.ph/study-identifies-3-existing-drugs-that-may-help-treat-covid-19/
          https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-existing-drugs-fight-coronavirus-with-almost-100-success-in-jerusalem-lab/

          There's 8 drugs for you mentioned in those three articles: fluvoxamine (anti-depressant), budesonide (inhaled s
          • Looked into those 8 and of them the first two show some slight signs of relieving covid-19 symptoms in very mild cases, for the remaining 6 it looks like none of them have been able to show any real efficiency in phase 2 trials. So we are back to the only viable cure so far being the novel drugs and far more efficient of all are the vaccines still.
  • If anyone had put a serious effort in testing whether known safe cheap medicines could help alleviate corona symptoms and effects then we may have avoided most of the pandemic. Just the very chance that the dirtcheap 4 billion times used ivermectin drug could be proven to have an effect would be well worth putting a few millions after in the very beginning of the pandemic, when there were reports of some efficiency Instead it was ridiculed and put off as a conspiracy as drug companies refused to support r
    • OK Im not trying to call you out, but people did spend significant effort identifying existing medications as to the potential treatment of covid. I forget the name of the research facility in Israel, but they identified 200 potential candidates. Oxford did a study and found out that gut bacteria of a particular prebiotic and a probiotic combination not only takes care of long Covid, but helps shorten the duration and severity of Covid. In fact I looked up the probiotic/prebiotic combination and found some
  • Bill Gates appears to assume that, for every virus, there will be one or more chemical that will provide a therapeutic effect against it.

    Why should this always be true?

    • by pz ( 113803 )

      That's a very good point, and is the reason we have precious few effective treatments against fungal infections. While there is substantial ongoing research to develop therapeutics against fungal infections, the biochemical distance between fungus and mammal is far less than the distance between bacterium and virus and mammal, making the discovery of such drugs challenging. It's hard to find things that will kill fungi and won't also kill people.

      If humanity is ultimately going to be wiped out by a pathogen

  • First, the guy's insanely wealthy (not that there's anything wrong with THAT) and he's on the record (both in interviews and on video (see: YouTube)) saying investing in vaccines is the best investment he's ever made [cnbc.com] (and he's not just talking ethics...he's talking cash returns). He's 66 years old, there's no way he can ever spend the money he has before he dies, and he's taken a pledge to not pass it on to any kids... and he's certainly not going to take that cash with him to the great beyond in a gold enc

    • Was not sure if this was sarcasm or not: "First, the guy's insanely wealthy (not that there's anything wrong with THAT)"?

      But financial obesity can definitely be both a personal problem and a societal problem. Politically, it's been said "Every Billionaire is a Policy Failure." Both personally and socially, there are all sorts of problems created by great wealth disparities because such societies are in general unhappier for everyone.

      Financial obesity is a term I first read with surprise in James P. Hogan's

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