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Unknown Space Object Beaming Out Radio Signals Every 18 Minutes Remains a Mystery (cnn.com) 99

While mapping radio waves across the universe, astronomers happened upon a celestial object releasing giant bursts of energy -- and it's unlike anything they've ever seen before. From a report: The spinning space object, spotted in March 2018, beamed out radiation three times per hour. In those moments, it became the brightest source of radio waves viewable from Earth, acting like a celestial lighthouse. Astronomers think it might be a remnant of a collapsed star, either a dense neutron star or a dead white dwarf star, with a strong magnetic field -- or it could be something else entirely. A study on the discovery published Wednesday in the journal Nature. "This object was appearing and disappearing over a few hours during our observations," said lead study author Natasha Hurley-Walker, an astrophysicist at the Curtin University node of the International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research, in a statement. "That was completely unexpected. It was kind of spooky for an astronomer because there's nothing known in the sky that does that. And it's really quite close to us -- about 4,000 light-years away. It's in our galactic backyard."
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Unknown Space Object Beaming Out Radio Signals Every 18 Minutes Remains a Mystery

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  • From TFA (Score:3, Insightful)

    by war4peace ( 1628283 ) on Thursday January 27, 2022 @12:12PM (#62211823)

    "it could be an ultra-long-period magnetar" - an interesting find, but the Ancient Aliens still remain elusive.
    Also, the CNN article doesn't load for me.

    • Remember, the ancient aliens were in a galaxy far, far away...
    • by dargaud ( 518470 )
      Is it just a 'beep!' or is there any actual information in the signal ?
      • All signals contain information, the question is what level of coherence does the information have. I am not an expert, just a curious individual, and I have heard of Benford's and Zipf's laws, but not sure how would they apply to this signal.

        • by spudnic ( 32107 )

          Potentially, but I believe that Brannigan's law is closer to what this actually is. Though I could be wrong. I'm certainly no expert.

        • by nasch ( 598556 )

          How do you define "signal" and "information" to reach that conclusion?

          • Um... the dictionary, for example?
            Not sure what you are aiming at, but a good start would be to ad more verbosity to your question.

      • From the synopsis: "The emission is highly linearly polarized, bright, persists for 30–60s on each occurrence and is visible across a broad frequency range. At times, the pulses comprise short-duration (0.5s) bursts; at others, a smoother profile is observed. These profiles evolve on timescales of hours."

        To me this sounds like a rather active environment at the presumed neutron star, that can be observed for a short period of time whenever its poles are pointed the right way.

      • Nitpicking and willfully misreading your question, but... that's not a valid question. If it has information in it, it's a signal. If it does not have information in it, it's just a beep.
        • Beeps contain information. Morse code users can attest to this, as can sonar and radar designers.

          • Nitpick the nitpick, nice:) Well he used 'just a beep' to mean 'meaningless noise'.
            • And "just a beep" can be nearly impossible to tell from the signal itself. One city's automotive backfire is another city's lethal robbery, or another city's marathon starting pistol. It can be very difficult to tell from the explosive sound itself.

          • Beeps contain information. Morse code users can attest to this,

            No. Morse code users (and many other such systems) extract information from the spacing of "beep versus "non-beep" states.

            A "beep" with a complex internal structure (say, FM or AM of the carrier wave frequency, or PCM of two carrier waves) can contain a signal in itself, and more information in it's relationships with other pulses.

            One of these days you should try extracting information from a 1-2 Hz extremely noisy signal on top of distinct no

            • The data of the timing of beeps can be reasonably described as "contaned by the beeps".

              What were you measuring? It "sounds like" subsonic submarine communications?

              • "Measurement While Drilling" - transmitting information from a measuring device (electrical properties, sonic properties, radioactive properties ...) near the drill bit, up through the drill string to be decoded at the surface. They have tried electrical connections but the 10-15 thousand PSI of combined hydrostatic and hydrodynamic pressure has always defeated the connectors (particularly when you need a hundred or more lengths of cable end-to-end, one for each length of drill pipe.

                I had one job - one in

                • Oh, my. That does sound like it could present some difficulties, the sort of situation where simply throughng computation at it and ignoring the medium of transmission and "top-down" design could lead to profound errors in every way.

                  • There was a major change in about 2010 - in several competing companies more or less simultaneously, when they added some quite sophisticated audio processing gubbins into the surface systems and started doing probailisitc analysis of the waveform to improve detection rates. That added most of a bps to typical detection rates. Quite an improvement.

                    Another thing they added (again, all the companies at about the same time) was putting a delay loop into the system so they could compare the recorded sound of t

  • Finally,

    We can see the Astronomican again!

  • Here's hoping... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by aerogems ( 339274 ) on Thursday January 27, 2022 @12:30PM (#62211939)

    ... It turns out to be something other than a reflection from a terrestrial object. Even if it's not aliens, just some kind of celestial object that's beyond Earth orbit.

    • Agreed. Hopefully not something like this: https://www.theguardian.com/sc... [theguardian.com]
    • by ebonum ( 830686 )

      My money is still on a kid with a laser pointer and an arduino laughing his ass off.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      In this case there is no reason to suspect otherwise. It is a mystery, but a mystery in detail not generality, it is behaving within the range of how rotating stellar remnants can behave but oddly enough that the are not sure exactly which type it is, including the possibility it is a class that has been predicted but not yet observed.
    • SOP (Standard Operating Practice) for when you find a weird signal in your (radio) telescope is to (1) turn your telescope drive off - and see if it is moving in your sky at the same rate as the rest of the sky ; then (2) re-engage your drive, re-centre on the source, then deflect the scope several beam-widths away, check the background then re-centre where your source was previously and see if it's still there.

      They're not infallible protocols, but they dispose of the overwhelming majority of "that's weird

  • Agent Alpha one reporting to mother ship. Virus taking hold. Human population response insufficient to control. Humans will reelect Trump in 2024. Move attack fleet into position from alpha centauri. Victory imminent. Over and out.
    • Over and out.
      Just to nitpick: "over and out" they only say in really bad movies.
      It is either "over": you expect the other side to answer and continue the conversation, or "out", which is "I hang up now".

      Usually you give your call sign, e.g. "Angel out".

  • Recorded human history spans roughly 6,000 years.

    That something whose light now reaching us originated 4,000 years ago could be described as being "really quite close to us" or "in our galactic backyard" simply boggles my mind.

    • Especially considering the writer pegged it as "galactic backyard" .. but its distance to us isnt much closer than the center of the galaxy itself... and we definitely dont associate that with being anywhere close to our "galactic backyard"
      • by jbengt ( 874751 )

        but its distance to us isnt much closer than the center of the galaxy itself . . .

        . . . if you consider 4,000 light years not much closer than 27,000.

  • by petes_PoV ( 912422 ) on Thursday January 27, 2022 @01:03PM (#62212081)
    They are probably just advertisements. Ignore.
    • It might be the only targeted ad that intrigues me. Presumably our ancestors 8000 years ago liked banging rocks together once every 18 minutes.
    • by ebvwfbw ( 864834 )

      We're calling about your expired space vehicle warranty.

  • A magnetaur, with a large, non-stellar object rotating around it. No, 18 min is not too short a time for an orbit.

    The other option is that its poles are *not* aligned with galactic north/south, and it's rotating around its poles, as well as equatorially.

    • This is kind of what I was thinking. 18 minutes is actually quite a while, and 4000 light years is so far away it's kind of hard to care.
    • No, 18 min is not too short a time for an orbit.

      That depends on a lot of factors.
      Given how massive a magnetar is, and using the Roche limit, an orbital period of 18 minutes is, as far as I could tell, way, way too short.

    • by dargaud ( 518470 )
      A magnetaur ?!? Don't tell me that Zeus has managed to fuck a magnet now, after the Minotaur and the Centaurs...
    • Can the pulse rise and fall characteristics tell us anything about its origin ?
  • Some alien teenager keeps putting his alarm clock on snooze, and just refuses to get up.

  • Or it could be aliens warning us about our behavior.
  • I love the way Astronomers do that, "it's really quite close to us."

    Yeah, like 4,000 light years - "mind blown gif" - I mean, with our current tech, it would only take us like 70 million years to travel that far.

    I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      Well, the scary thing is that '4000 light years' is within the 'stellar event or pulsar beam can kill everything on earth' range.
    • With Breakthrough Starshot technologies, only about 40000 years - a geological eyeblink.
  • Unless it's building a ring and turning people blue.

  • I'd be happy if we discovered aliens, but I'm near 100% sure it will be something mundane, e.g. something rotating fast around something else, a planet around a star? A start around a black hole? Something like that.
  • Ralphie cracked it - "Be Sure To Drink Your Ovaltine"

  • It's probably an astronaut's alarm clock on snooze..
    Don't worry about it.

  • If we could decode the 18 minute transmission, we would hear the missing tape fragments, and know about Nixon's planet of origin.

    Lizard People are everywhere.

  • I thought this was settled - it's a message for the whales.
  • Octodecimal Overlords.

  • The light flashes are sensors scanning us for meat content, so they know how big the tanks for protein need to be.

  • The paper's abstract :

    The high-frequency radio sky is bursting with synchrotron transients from massive stellar explosions and accretion events, but the low-frequency radio sky has, so far, been quiet beyond the Galactic pulsar population and the long-term scintillation of active galactic nuclei. The low-frequency band, however, is sensitive to exotic coherent and polarized radio-emission processes, such as electron-cyclotron maser emission from flaring M dwarfs, stellar magnetospheric plasma interactions

    • Bugger. Something broke there. Probably mouse-o'd off the end of the abstract and my close-italic tag.

      Rest of the abstract :

      At times, the pulses comprise short-duration (

      Now I've got the PDF ... figure 1 helps clarify the time behaviour described in the abstract. Worth a look if you're confused.

      • Double bugger. It was chopping at the LESSTHAN sign.

        Third try : At times, the pulses comprise short-duration (LESSTHAN 0.5 s) bursts; at others, a smoother profile is observed. These profiles evolve on timescales of hours. By measuring the dispersion of the radio pulses with respect to frequency, we have localized the source to within our own Galaxy and suggest that it could be an ultra-long-period magnetar.

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