Fitbits Detect Lasting Changes After Covid-19 (nytimes.com) 158
An anonymous reader writes: One in five Americans uses a Fitbit, Apple Watch or other wearable fitness tracker. And over the past year, several studies have suggested that the devices -- which can continually collect data on heart rates, body temperature, physical activity and more -- could help detect early signs of Covid-19 symptoms. Now, research suggests that these wearables can also help track patients' recovery from the disease, providing insight into its long-term effects. In a paper published on Wednesday in the journal JAMA Network Open, researchers studying Fitbit data reported that people who tested positive for Covid-19 displayed behavioral and physiological changes, including an elevated heart rate, that could last for weeks or months. These symptoms lasted longer in people with Covid than in those with other respiratory illnesses, the scientists found.
The new study focuses on a subset of 875 Fitbit-wearing participants who reported a fever, cough, body aches or other symptoms of a respiratory illness and were tested for Covid-19. Of those, 234 people tested positive for the disease. The rest were presumed to have other kinds of infections. Participants in both groups slept more and walked less after they got sick, and their resting heart rates rose. But these changes were more pronounced in people with Covid-19. "There was a much larger change in resting heart rate for individuals who had Covid compared to other viral infections," said Jennifer Radin, an epidemiologist at Scripps who leads the DETECT trial. "We also have a much more drastic change in steps and sleep." The scientists also found that about nine days after participants with Covid first began reporting symptoms, their heart rates dropped. After this dip, which was not observed in those with other illnesses, their heart rates rose again and remained elevated for months. It took 79 days, on average, for their resting heart rates to return to normal, compared with just four days for those in the non-Covid group.
This prolonged heart rate elevation may be a sign that Covid-19 disrupts the autonomic nervous system, which regulates basic physiological processes. The heart palpitations and dizziness reported by many people who are recovering from Covid may be symptoms of this disruption. Sleep and physical activity levels also returned to baseline more slowly in those with Covid-19 compared to those with other ailments, Dr. Radin and her colleagues found. The researchers identified a small subset of people with Covid whose heart rates remained more than five beats per minute above normal one to two months after infection. Nearly 14 percent of those with the disease fell into this category, and their heart rates did not return to normal for more than 133 days, on average. These participants were also significantly more likely to report having had a cough, shortness of breath and body aches during the acute phase of their illness than did other Covid patients.
The new study focuses on a subset of 875 Fitbit-wearing participants who reported a fever, cough, body aches or other symptoms of a respiratory illness and were tested for Covid-19. Of those, 234 people tested positive for the disease. The rest were presumed to have other kinds of infections. Participants in both groups slept more and walked less after they got sick, and their resting heart rates rose. But these changes were more pronounced in people with Covid-19. "There was a much larger change in resting heart rate for individuals who had Covid compared to other viral infections," said Jennifer Radin, an epidemiologist at Scripps who leads the DETECT trial. "We also have a much more drastic change in steps and sleep." The scientists also found that about nine days after participants with Covid first began reporting symptoms, their heart rates dropped. After this dip, which was not observed in those with other illnesses, their heart rates rose again and remained elevated for months. It took 79 days, on average, for their resting heart rates to return to normal, compared with just four days for those in the non-Covid group.
This prolonged heart rate elevation may be a sign that Covid-19 disrupts the autonomic nervous system, which regulates basic physiological processes. The heart palpitations and dizziness reported by many people who are recovering from Covid may be symptoms of this disruption. Sleep and physical activity levels also returned to baseline more slowly in those with Covid-19 compared to those with other ailments, Dr. Radin and her colleagues found. The researchers identified a small subset of people with Covid whose heart rates remained more than five beats per minute above normal one to two months after infection. Nearly 14 percent of those with the disease fell into this category, and their heart rates did not return to normal for more than 133 days, on average. These participants were also significantly more likely to report having had a cough, shortness of breath and body aches during the acute phase of their illness than did other Covid patients.
My Apple Watch Resting HR Data (Score:4, Interesting)
I got covid in late November. Here are my average resting HRs (sleeping) for the months before and after covid
Sept 56
Oct 56
Nov 63 (Covid at end of month, 2 days in hospital)
Dec 69 (Covid at start of month, 10 days in hospital)
Jan 66
Feb 61
Mar 62
Apr 58
May 58
Jun 53
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I mean, should anyone be shocked that a disease that targets ACE2 has a significant impact on the heart and circulatory system?
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All fine and good, but you are one data-point.
Being that you were hospitalized for 12 days presumably during the worse of it, you were probably also put on Oxygen which probably helped fend off some of the damage.
Also you have a lower than average heart-rate than average. Which you may be more physically fit. So you were able to tolerate the stress better than others may.
This is also your sleeping rate, however if you active heart rate is statistically higher now it could effect results.
Correlation != causation (Score:2)
People have also been cooped up in their houses unable to get a previously normal amount of activity. That too leads to a rise in heart rate. Then again, so does gettin' busy. Maybe Fitbit needs to look at accelerometer data too.
Same idea with jab? (Score:2)
You feel like shit after COVID (Score:2)
This is all anecdotic, so take it with a grain of salt.
I had a mild version, had a fever for two weeks, felt like shit, but no pneumonia.
I work out a lot, typically 5 to 9 times a week (sometimes twice a day), I've been doing it for many years. The reason I'm telling you this, to establish that I have a reasonable knowledge of how my body reacts under aerobic load.
After I recovered, when I started working out again, it took about a month to a month an a half for my body to start feeling right. We chat
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> You don't need a vaccine because your putrid orange god told you that you don't, even as he himself snuck away and got himself vaccinated.
Are you actually supporting Orange Man's Warp Speed corporate mRNA vaccines? That shit's racyst, man.
GOP infiltrator identified.
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Trump and his family were vaccinated back in January. But of all the things to ever come out of his fat mouth that was overlooked. Admitting he needed the vaccine means the threat was real and not a hoax from Democrats. Think of current vaccine rates right now had he tweeted pictures of his family getting the shot.
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Ivanka has broadcast her vaccinations. Shot 1. [twitter.com] Shot 2. [twitter.com]. Trump wouldn't have been able to Tweet about it if he wanted to following the whole insurrection thing, though perhaps he could've actually found a way to use the short-lived "From the Desk of Donald Trump" site to do some good.
Funnily enough, after her tweet about the first dose the QAnon theories started swirling about what she was really injected with because she only wrote that she got "the shot."
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Huh. April 14th was her first shot. Not back in December when the first vaccine became available and when she and her corrupt father was in office. At that time the con artist was mocking every safety precaution out there, even after he contracted covid two months prior and had to be rushed to medical care which included oxygen due to low levels in his blood, combining of experimental treatments, and almost having to be put on a ventilator [slate.com].
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Trump never said the vaccine was a hoax from the Democrats. He's the one who pushed for the vaccines. Seriously, read news sources apart from cnn for a day and discover an entire world that you didn't know existed.
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Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.
Itâ(TM)s going to disappear. One day, itâ(TM)s like a miracle, it will disappear.
WHO declares pandemic
I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.
Can you pinpoint when he started taking it seriously?
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During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch... [snopes.com]
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Your expectations from your country, apparently, are that it stays out of the worst 10 countries (at least in one matter- covid, but maybe in all matters). Most other people have much higher expectations from their own countries.
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Before "Operation Warp Speed" most pharma companies said that a Vaccine will not be available until probably early 2021. It came out in the the end of 2020.
While cutting a lot of the Red Tape normally involved, Trump also did a lot of harm to hinder sharing of information from other countries R&D. In short it was like most of Trump policies of him doing the bare minimum just to get people to stop talking to him about doing something. The Pharma Companies also have stated that Operation Warp speed di
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As someone who had a bad reaction to one of the vaccines I'm torn on this. On the one hand mass vaccination has certainly helped, but on the other it's had some serious down-sides as well.
Some people had bad reactions to vaccination, like myself. Some countries have been unlocking and returning to risky behaviour too quickly, meaning younger people still waiting for vaccination are suffering now and the infection rate is much higher than it needs to be.
On balance I think I'd rather be somewhere like New Zea
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Do you think you bad reaction from the Vaccine was worse then the reaction you would get from getting ill from the virus?
My work requires me to take a yearly flu shot. There is also a yearly company picnic in September, where there is a tent dedicated towards getting the flu shot. Most years I don't get any reactions, sometimes I may get a worse one. However going back before I got that job, I remember how miserable I was with the Flu, and I realize those years I get a bad reaction are just a drop in the
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The AZ vaccine is only about 60% effective at preventing infection, and the Delta variant is ripping through the population with the full support of the government. So even if I get vaccinated it won't change anything, I will still have to be extremely careful.
I'm trying to decide what is best. Obviously the best thing would be not to get COVID and not risk the vaccine either, but it depends how practical that is. Working from home and shopping outside peak times could be effective.
Then again in the long ru
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I'm trying to decide what is best. Obviously the best thing would be not to get COVID and not risk the vaccine either, but it depends how practical that is. Working from home and shopping outside peak times could be effective.
As you pointed out yourself, the Delta variant of the virus is running rampant right now in the UK, and looks likely (just my opinion) to be the gift that keeps giving all the way 'til next Christmas. As such your chances of avoiding exposure are going down, and it's only going to take one omission, one oversight, one slip on your part, despite all the precautions you take or lifestyle changes you make.
It's not clear to me exactly what your current circumstances are (had one dose of the Oxford/ AZ jab?) nor
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Thanks for going through the logic, it at least confirms my own way of thinking.
I have one dose of AZ and two months later am still suffering from the relapse it caused. I have asked my GP about getting Pfizer next time but they are not interested. I think they get a lot of people who have read something on Facebook and so are very dismissive.
The government is talking about starting booster shots which would all be Pfizer, come September. It would start with the oldest in the population again so I probably
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The AZ vaccine is only about 60% effective at preventing infection, and the Delta variant is ripping through the population with the full support of the government.
Q: 60% effective at what? A: Stopping you developing Covid, the disease, from Covid, the virus. AZ is something like 90% effective at stopping people who get Covid, the disease, from requiring hospitalization or dying.
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Yes, but all the vaccines are >90% effective at preventing hospitalization and death.
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What about Long COVID? That's what we really need to know. If it's only 80% effective at preventing Long COVID then that's way too much risk for my liking. That is coming from someone who has been living with Long COVID-like symptoms for more than a decade.
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Yes, good question. No one knows the answer now. I see that the UK is about to find out the answer. The UK is kind that way : generally it also makes available high quality data to the world.
The high vaccinated rates, the football matches, the full reopening on 19 July, the already very high case numbers yet low hospitalisation numbers : the UK is the guinea pig the world needs right now.
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The government is predicting 2 million infections. That's a lot of long COVID, and they are probably under-estimating the numbers too.
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Yup, thanks UK. I'm torn between feeling sorry for UKians and greed for data.
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Are you actually supporting Orange Man's Warp Speed corporate mRNA vaccines? That shit's racyst, man.
Does Trump even? Why did he get vaccinated secretly back in January then leak it to the media in March? What do you figure the order was, don't tell anyone the President got vaccinated, because ___ what?
Look at how Fox had to report it, LOL. Former President got vaccinated at the White House, because they found out after he'd left office.
https://www.foxnews.com/politi... [foxnews.com]
Does Trump want credit for Warp Speed? He probably looked at polling results, saw "pro-vaccine" people didn't vote for him, and figured
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Fake news and all that. You don't need a vaccine because your putrid orange god told you that you don't, even as he himself snuck away and got himself vaccinated.
Yeah, he later said that it would be a "great thing" if his followers got vaccinated, and took credit for the existence of the vaccine, but the thing that really unites his base is that they don't believe anything they don't want to believe — the corollary of course being that they believe everything they want to believe.
Being able to believe anything is a virtue; deciding to use that ability to believe whatever you want to believe is dumb.
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The first company to get a vaccine for COVID released in the US didn't take part in "Operation Warpspeed". The paperwork would have slowed them down.
So, no, I don't give him much credit for "Operation Warpspeed", and I give him lots of blame for the multitude of roadblocks that he put in the way of dealing with COVID.
If you think I should give him credit, you're going to need to explain why. AFAICT it was mainly a way to siphon money to some of his friends. I don't think that slowing down vaccine develop
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Imagine thinking that "paperwork would slow you down" when you needed to be at least ten times faster than normal vaccine approval process, and when as a part of Operation Warp Speed, paperwork requirements were significantly reduced...
You get the spin the narrative that Operation Warp Speed involved a lot of paperwork that would slow companies down.
There is derangement. And then there's TDS, where black is white, but only if Trump said that black is actually black or that white is actually white.
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I literally countered a specific in which parent made a point which was the diametric opposite of truth. There are thousands of things Trump did wrong in his tenure, just like there were thousands that he did right. Which is wholly irrelevant to the point being made above.
Why are you trying to desperately deflect attention from the topic?
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People still can't give Trump anything.
I will give it to Trump that is decision for Operation WarpSpeed was a good one. It's not the great one that Trump supporters are claiming it to be because my guess is that any president in that situation would have made the same decision. And no I am not trying to damn Trump with faint praise. Just trying to keep things in perspective.
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This claim denies the main widely recognised difference between Trump and typical US presidents. A billionaire magnate who has specific populist policies he feels are needed vs a political animal who's primary talent is balancing between many entrenched political interests. Chances of a typical political animal making a wide sweeping call like that are low at best. Politicians make a living by being very careful with any large scale principled changes. It's reasonable to assume that most politicians would c
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https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
Your continued desperate deflections and denial of reality is as hilarious as your desperate false accusations when I literally answered the opposite of what you claim I said in my another reply to your other post in this thread.
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People still can't give Trump anything.
Why should we, when he took so much?
Anyway, I'm not hearing this shit, fucking period. Trump supporters want to act like nobody ever did anything before Trump, and then they want people to give Trump all kinds of credit for shit he doesn't deserve credit for. Well, fuck that sideways, backwards, and upside down.
ANY president would have fast-tracked vaccine development. Trump doesn't get credit for doing what anyone would have done. He also fucked up the vaccine rollout massively by not ordering enough doses
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>Why should we, when he took so much?
Because reality has a nasty way of winning in the end. And those that are as wilfully blind to it as you so proudly declare yourself to be tend not just go hurt themselves, but also take many others with them.
>ANY president would have fast-tracked vaccine development.
Imagine a political animal who spent his time in committees for decades... bypassing all the political processes and just giving blank cheques left and right.
I know that as a political partisan, you fi
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And those that are as wilfully blind to it as you so proudly declare yourself to be
Were you born this kind of asshole, or did you train?
Imagine a political animal who spent his time in committees for decades... bypassing all the political processes and just giving blank cheques left and right.
There were no blank checks here. In fact, Trump didn't even bother to write any checks for vaccines, which is why Biden's team had to invent a distribution plan from scratch. Trump "promised" to buy some vaccines, but not enough for the population, and he didn't actually cut any checks. Dolly Parton did, though, which means a country singer known in equal parts for her beautiful voice, rambunctious attitude, and large mammaries literally did more to promo
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"Reality is where my political opponents do everything wrong, and my political allies to everything right".
Damn did I ever hit the nail on the head in my previous post.
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Yeah, pretty much everyone modelled their response on Trump admin's response after they saw what he did, and that it started to work. Just to a much lesser extent, you won't see Chinese authorities, or even German issuing effectively blank cheques and massive waivers from bureaucratic standards if they had even a remote possibility of getting vaccine out ASAP. Those nations focused on domestic, in part because of reasonable protectionism, and in part because of nationalism.
US? Operation Warp Speed went glob
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"I have nothing, so I'll just pretend there's something wrong with dates".
Ok. Good luck with pretending that pre-clinical trials were the bottleneck in vaccine development and deployment.
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It's both. The first statement establishes their ability to alter their beliefs to fit their prejudices. HTH, HAND
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Can people seriously not talk about this disease without turning it into a discussion about politics? You people do realize that you make the situation worse and more polarized when you do this, don't you?
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Well, one side denies the Science, the other does not. That makes it automatically political. I would not call it a "discussion" though. You cannot have a discussion with people that do not even have a basic understanding of how things work.
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Are you serious, or just making a parody out of the victim role these Trumpies tend to play?
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Shouldn't you be happy about that? You fucking liberal bitches keep whining about the stupid idiot republicans not wanting to get vaccinated but if they all fucking die, you get your utopia, so what's the problem?
Also, why do people that are vaccinated care if someone else is? You got your shot. You are safe, are you not?
Worry about yourself. If I die, so be it.
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Do we live in a world where people get to make their own choices? Yes, yes we do, at least here in the United States.
You're so free that you get to make choices for other people, too.
eg. Choose to not vaccinate yourself then take COVID home and use it to kill grandma.
Or kill the random person standing in line behind you at Starbucks, it's all good!
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eg. Choose to not vaccinate yourself then take COVID home and use it to kill grandma.
That's not the real danger, because grandma is now vaccinated. The danger is that your unvaccinated megachurch or inner-city neighborhood could be the place that spawns the next Covid mutation. Suddenly, it's Groundhog Day of 2020 again, worldwide.
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Grandma might not be able to be vaccinated because of other health issues
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So, you were horrified when Cuomo forced nursing homes to take in covid-positive patients leading to thousands of deaths of old people, right?
Yeah, didn't think so.
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So, you were horrified when Cuomo forced nursing homes to take in covid-positive patients leading to thousands of deaths of old people, right?
Yes. Is this supposed to be a trick question or something?
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So, you were horrified when Cuomo forced nursing homes to take in covid-positive patients leading to thousands of deaths of old people, right?
Yes. Is this supposed to be a trick question or something?
Okay, sorry I misjudged you. Can you link to some contemporary social media posts where you called him out?
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No, I wasn't horrified until I heard about it on the news. When it happened I didn't know that is was happening. (And Britain committed the same atrocity under a Conservative government, so it's not a left-wing vs. right-wing distinction. It's a bloody stupid authoritarian government keeping secrets and making "convenient" decisions that it hopes won't get out in time to hurt them.)
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Since we are bashing on republican trump supporters, it's just another point to toss out that Democrats have stupid politicians that get people killed as well. Who knew.
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Free choices are not free from criticism.
Large numbers of incubators for new variants (the unvaccinated) are going to eventually affect everyone - but especially the 1 in 20 for whom the vaccine is not effective enough to prevent infection and are vulnerable already.
And the vaccine is not yet authorized for all age groups. The very young are statistically unlikely to be severely infected, but it does happen and it can still be deadly.
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The Delta Plus variant is killing kids in Brazil at a much higher rate than any other variant.
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Most folks don't live with Grandma. Most folks are responsible enough to not do that.
You need to get out more. In some communities (e.g. latino ones) quite a lot of people live in multi-generational homes. They don't have a choice because they are poor (and yes there are also cultural reasons). The same is also true, but to a lesser extent, in black families and asian families.
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The problem is their stupidity does collateral damage to everyone else. All they do is moan about business and damage to the economy. Well guess what? Had everyone stayed home for a month and wore masks this would have been over with much sooner. Oh and government could have helped all those failing businesses but that would be socialism, a word that one particular party talks about like its the most vulgar subject.
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Note that they said stayed home for a month (to the extent feasible). Staying just barely in bounds of the guidelines was not enough to keep you from getting sick - just to slow things down. COVID may be with us forever. But imagine if we had kept it at bay until vaccines were widely available.
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A month wouldn't have been long enough for the vaccines to be developed.
A better plan would have been for everyone to isolate for 3 weeks. That would be time enough to identify all active cases. Then allow those who weren't sick to emerge. But the lockdown period would need to be TIGHT. IIUC, Vietnam managed it, but they've got a rather different government that generally has the trust of its population. Even so there kept being spot emergences. In the US only some medical professionals understand wha
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That is completely out of touch with reality if you think that by wearing masks and hiding for a month that the world would have no COVID.
You're completely out of touch with reality if you think that after truly hiding from the world for a month, the world would still have COVID. COVID takes a week to incubate. So unless you get incredibly unlucky and have at least four people in your house who each take the maximum amount of time to get sick *and* do so *sequentially* (almost unheard of), everyone who is going to get COVID would get COVID within that month and could be quarantined until they are no longer contagious.
What we actually did wa
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What are you talking about? You are not talking reality.
For the people with 401k's, the stock market went through the roof.
That's because we didn't shut down the economy. We didn't shut down the economy because people with money didn't want it to shut down.
For the people that were making minimum wage, a large proportion made more off of unemployment and stimulus checks.
I am not a republican but this entire "bury your head in the sand and hope things go away" to me is just crazy. It's only delaying the inevitable.
It's basic math. The number of people who can get sick is directly proportional to the number of people interacting with other people. Lower the second number, and you lower the first number. And when a high enough percentage of people have gotten sick, nobody will get sick anymore. The virus doesn't just hang around waiting to infect people. Once that last case fails to spread it to anybody, it's over until it jumps species again.
I will never believe you when you try to tell me that if we all wore masks and hid inside for a month that COVID would have disappeared.
Well, we got about halfway to a full lockdown in California from March through April of last year, and the R0 (estimated) was down to about 0.65, at least in my area, i.e. every week, there were 1/3rd fewer cases than the week before. We needed about two or three months at that level of lockdown (essential services plus food, drug stores, and home improvement stores) to reach zero cases, because that wasn't nearly a full lockdown.
Either way, the point is that the numbers prove beyond any reasonable doubt that a full lockdown would have worked. We were winning. Then we decided we had flattened the curve enough, and we were back to exponential growth.
We can't even rid the world of Polio and you think there won't be pockets of COVID that will rocket back to life? I mean I can hear the "covid will kill everyone crazies" right now.... "But, but, but the asymptomatic!" Ugh....
We finished ridding the first world of polio thirty years ago. We can't rid the rest of the world of polio because of a combination of anti-vaxxers and chaotic political situations that prevent proper vaccination. Using polio as a barometer for a respiratory virus is kind of absurd, though. Polio has an R0 of between 5 and 7. Coronavirus has an R0 of somewhere around 2 +/- 0.6. The two just aren't comparable in terms of contagiousness.
Hiding in ones house is detrimental to humanity. Look at the murder rates right now. You think that is coincidence?
And had the entire country locked down hard (much harder than California did) for an entire month last March, we wouldn't have remained halfway locked down for a year. Refusing to do what is necessary, including some temporary pain, to prevent a pandemic from getting out of control early, while it is still possible to get it under control, is detrimental to humanity. The lockdown worked. It just wasn't complete enough, and didn't remain at the highest level long enough, because political leaders in the U.S. were concerned only with preventing hospitals from filling up, rather than eradicating the virus.
Other countries (New Zealand, for example) clearly demonstrated that it is possible to eradicate the virus. That's because that was their goal. Our country's goal was to reopen the economy and mitigate the deaths a little bit. That difference in goals is why New Zealand had single-digit coronavirus cases after June of last year, whereas the comparably sized state of Alabama had over 11,000 deaths and over half a million cases in that same time period.
Lockdowns work if done properly and nationally. Our political leaders failed to protect the citizens of the United States. They failed in their duty to our nation. And the result was almost two thirds of a billion deaths. It really is that simple.
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Maybe you meant 2/3rds of a million, as opposed to billion, or is that the world death toll (as if we will ever know that with any real certainty).
Also, you can't really compare a small island nation to a huge nation that makes up about half of it's own continent.
You think the US can actually seal a border? LMAO grow up Christopher Robin. Both UK and Australia are island nations and both failed to eradicate covid in any way, shape or form. Aussies were doing good until they weren't.
Seems like it just isn't
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Maybe you meant 2/3rds of a million, as opposed to billion
Gah. Yes.
Also, you can't really compare a small island nation to a huge nation that makes up about half of it's own continent.
Why not? The physical borders have been closed to legal travel almost completely since the start of the pandemic. What we were critically missing was the mandatory two weeks of quarantine after air travel or boat travel, plus... well, any actual national policy whatsoever, really....
You think the US can actually seal a border? LMAO grow up Christopher Robin. Both UK and Australia are island nations and both failed to eradicate covid in any way, shape or form.
Therefore, being an island nation isn't the key to eradicating COVID. If being an island made it significantly easier, Hawaii would have almost no cases.
Want to know why New Zealand basically eradicated it (with 2.5
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For the people with 401k's, the stock market went through the roof.
That's because we didn't shut down the economy.
Stock market has a relation with the economy that is perfunctory at best. Stock market went through the roof only because of the interest rates and other financial actions governments, Central banks took.
Stock market catches a cold if the employment numbers are good, (a sign of a good economy) because it suggests interest rates might rise. So it has both positive and negative feedback from the actual economy.
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If everyone stayed at home YOU WOULD DIE. There are people who actually do not work in IT and have real jobs. People who create/deliver food TO YOUR FAT MOUTH.
No, I wouldn't die. Like most responsible adults in first-world countries, I have enough canned food to last me at least a couple of months, and enough frozen food to last at least a month or two on top of that. Staying at home for a month would be no big deal.
With the exception of people who maintain critical infrastructure (power, water, sewer, phone, Internet, sanitation), first responders, and medical staff, I'm pretty sure everyone could stay home and it would not cause any detectable loss of life.
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LOL, enough food for a couple months. Who the fuck regularly has months of food on hand? I never met such an individual and I know people in all environments in this country.
Only preppers have that much canned food on hand.
Also, responsible adults, are you implying that no one in poverty is at all responsible? Seems a bit harsh.
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LOL, enough food for a couple months. Who the fuck regularly has months of food on hand? I never met such an individual and I know people in all environments in this country.
Only preppers have that much canned food on hand.
Also, responsible adults, are you implying that no one in poverty is at all responsible? Seems a bit harsh.
A *lot* of people buy food in bulk from Costco or whatever. Having a cupboard full of food is not nearly as unusual as you seem to believe, and it's way more common among people living in poverty than among the wealthy, because it's way cheaper to buy in bulk and store it than it is to buy things in small quantities.
A single box of cereal will provide one meal for most of a week, and how many boxes of cereal do you have? If it's fewer than three, you're unusual.
And at least a third of all Americans have a
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Poor people can't afford costco. I've been on welfare and food stamps as a child. Things get damn slim near the end of the month. Can't believe these programs are more generous now then back then.
Old people probably do. My parents always have a ton of food on hand and I know a lot of older folks that buy stuff in bulk at good price points. Most of these people also live in houses with enough space for this stuff. Many have extra freezers.
But you were talking about most of us and that's people that live in a
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To address the other part of your post, I work in a grocery store so I tend to just buy stuff fresh as I need it since I'm literally there 5 days a week anyway. This definitely skews my perception of the required amount of food to keep on hand.
We also don't eat a lot of food out of cans, to be honest. Cans beans probably the top thing we eat out of a can but not daily. We do have a nice supply of flour, sugar, spices and stuff of that nature.
Ultimately I just think the original claim that responsible adults
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Which is why I don't bother getting my TB taken care of. It's my decision to live with it and you can't make me take any medication to protect others from contracting it.
And yes, that is exactly what you sound like and no, I don't have TB.
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Do we live in a world where people get to make their own choices? Yes, yes we do, at least here in the United States. If you don't like it, once you quarantine and vaccinate yourself, I'm sure there are dozens of other countries that would love to have you.
So because someone else makes a choice (to not get vaccinated) that can/could effect me quite drastically, I should modify my behavior and stay home. How about the ones who make that choice take responsibility for their own choices and stay home.
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That's a lousy example. Leprosy isn't very contagious. Fear of leprosy is basically a religiously encouraged form of scapegoating. (And prior to around 1900 severe cases of acne were often "diagnosed" as leprosy.)
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So what you're saying is we now have vaccines to prevent contracting covid but people are refusing to take them, but when we didn't have antibiotics we had to suffer through leprosy and other afflictions which can now be prevented because of those antibiotics.
Good to know you're being consistent.
Re:It will all be fine (Score:5, Informative)
https://thehill.com/policy/hea... [thehill.com]
(There are other sources, but that one's not paywalled, and it links directly to the study.)
In almost every state, the only people in hospital with covid are unvaccinated.
I don't have the death rate numbers to hand.
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99% or more of the people dying from covid at this time are unvaccinated [apnews.com].
Also, there are five areas of the U.S. [cnn.com], firmly held con artist country, which have high rates of the Delta variant running amok because of their high unvaccinated rates. Since the Delta variant is more highly transmissible, expect the death numbers to rise in the coming weeks.
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Multiple stories have come out in the past week alone about the difference between those being vaccinated and those note. I posted this link [apnews.com] just below which has this to say:
An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that "breakthrough" infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That's about 1.1%.
And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average
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WRT those "partially vaccinated":
Stories I have encountered say that partial vaccination is significantly less effective against the delta strain than it was against earlier strains. Against the earlier strains partial vaccination was between 1/2 and 3/4 as effective, but with lots of quibbles about just what was meant, so don't take those numbers seriously. It depends on part on exactly which vaccine, and in part on how long since you've been vaccinated (immunity keeps increasing for over 50 days), and,
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Interesting that you identify your enemy as having "derangement syndrome" without the slightest bit of irony or self-awareness. Interesting but unsurprising.
"COVID-19 affects people of color the most, because they are the ones on the front line."
COVID affects unvaccinated people the most, people of color are less vaccinated for reasons largely other than ideology. Furthermore, "people of color" also vote Republican, you racist.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/h... [pbs.org]
COVID deaths in the US are now essentially amon
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You might be surprised. The UK equivalent, the Tory Party, has already killed a lot of elderly voters and is now pushing for herd immunity again to give the younger ones long COVID.
Elderly care has been a huge problem for years in the UK and they don't seem to have a plan to fix it, so maybe purging old people in care was their solution. Younger people who end up living with permanent COVID related health problems won't forget what they did though.
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Don't worry, they'll be targeted in the second purge.
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"The biggest percentage of people that aren't getting vaccinated are Black people."
Clever misrepresentation, wonder if it was intentional lie or you are simply a moron.
The biggest percentage of people that ARE NOT YET vaccinated are black people, the biggest percentage of people that AREN'T getting vaccinated are Republicans. Some overlap? Sure.
"Are you suggesting they are Trump voters???"
Black people who HAVE NOT been vaccinated fall into two groups, those black Republicans who will not get vaccinated an
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Fitbits don't track every physical parameter measurable in your body. They track a limited number of parameters. And it just so happens that in the limited number of parameters that they track, such as heart rate, they directly see long-term signs that aren't visible with other respiratory illnesses.
Honestly, I doubt that Long COVID is a single issue, but rather a combination. In severe cases it's likely mostly about lung damage (and to a lesser extent, circulatory/heart). For example, I just found out
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Shouldn't be surprising.
This corona virus attaches to Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme 2 receptors (ACE-2 receptors). As suggested by the name, those receptors are found in blood vessels, which is a way it can infect the cardiovascular system. ACE-2 recptors are found in lung alveolar epithelial cells, which makes sense since one of the common serious symptoms is CoViD-19 damaging the lungs. ACE-2 receptors are also found else
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The control group was COVID-19 negative symptomatic individuals. Where exactly did you learn to read?
Go fuck yourself, for those sarcasm quotes.
She did not. She was perfectly healthy. Middle aged.
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Fucking vaccinated?
My injection was from a syringe, I wasn't aware of that alternative protocol.
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You jest, but I have heard they're working on a version that just goes up your nose as a nasal spray -- no needle.
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How do you call 3rd trimester abortion anything but murder? At that stage, have the kid and adopt it to some grateful couple that probably can't even have a kid. Unless your life is at risk for carrying and delivering a baby, it really is simply being selfish to kill an unborn child.
Rape and incest, sure I'll support the abortion. Anything else is just being selfish. Put the child up for adopt. Many people would love to adopt them.
Re:Thank you, Captain Obvious (Score:5, Informative)
If that were the cause, then people would be fine once they cleared the infection.
COVID is known to cause disruptions in autonomic breathing regulation -- acute patients whose blood gas profiles say they should be on a ventilator appearing comfortable which is a bad thing. Your brain stem is supposed to upregulate your breathing rate and elevated CO2 is supposed to feel uncomfortable. Some people develop autonomic dysregulation in breathing and heart rate that lasts for months.
COVID is not unique in causing autonomic dysregulation; people who develop things like chronic fatigue syndrome often do so after a viral illness. What may be unique is the sheer number of people getting COVID.
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COVID is known to cause disruptions in autonomic breathing regulation -- acute patients whose blood gas profiles say they should be on a ventilator appearing comfortable which is a bad thing.
No, it's not a bad thing. If you take those patients and measure pulse oxygen using normal means, they read normal. The patients appeared comfortable because they were in no actual danger.
The problem is that American hospitals don't have enough infrastructure to handle all of the necessary lab work. As a result, the blood samples took too long to process, during which time, the white blood cells soaked up the available oxygen [acutecaretesting.org]. (Notice when that article was written. January of 2010. This shouldn't be n
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Actually, no. Breathing is not triggered by the need for oxygen. Oxygen concentration and carriage in the body is not regulated. Breathing is controlled by a complex homeostatic relationship between blood pH and dissolved Carbon Dioxide (Bicarbonate) concentration. Instantaneous control of pH and bicarbonate (dissolved carbon dioxide) is compensated by the lungs and long term control compensation is via distal tubular re-uptake of bicarbonate in the kidneys. Failure of the long-term regulator (tubular