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Hubble Detects Smallest Known Dark Matter Clumps (phys.org) 56

Astronomers have detected dark matter clumps around large- and medium-sized galaxies. Now, using Hubble and a new observing technique, astronomers have found that dark matter forms much smaller clumps than previously known. Phys.Org reports: The researchers searched for small concentrations of dark matter in the Hubble data by measuring how the light from faraway quasars is affected as it travels through space. Quasars are the bright black-hole-powered cores of very distant galaxies. The Hubble images show that the light from these quasars images is warped and magnified by the gravity of massive foreground galaxies in an effect called gravitational lensing. Astronomers used this lensing effect to detect the small dark matter clumps. The clumps are located along the telescope's line of sight to the quasars, as well as in and around the foreground lensing galaxies.

Using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and a new observing technique, astronomers have found that dark matter forms much smaller clumps than previously known. This result confirms one of the fundamental predictions of the widely accepted "cold dark matter" theory. All galaxies, according to this theory, form and are embedded within clouds of dark matter. Dark matter itself consists of slow-moving, or "cold," particles that come together to form structures ranging from hundreds of thousands of times the mass of the Milky Way galaxy to clumps no more massive than the heft of a commercial airplane. (In this context, "cold" refers to the particles' speed.) The Hubble observation yields new insights into the nature of dark matter and how it behaves.

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Hubble Detects Smallest Known Dark Matter Clumps

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  • when I was a kid back in the last century. Here, found the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
  • I'm sorry, I thought they couldn't detect dark matter what-so-ever: cold, hot, or diet. It's a nebulous name for "that weird stuff we're sure is there but can't actually detect yet."

    So, that being said: what they detected isn't dark matter, right?? they detected a smaller and smaller area or where dark matter should be. So it's like looking at a black hole -- you can't actually SEE what you're looking at, only infer that it's there because of the way things act around it.

    Riiiiight?? Or have I been dr
    • by idji ( 984038 ) on Friday January 10, 2020 @05:10AM (#59605764)
      They saw gravitational lensing from small (The main point of the article) & invisible clumps of matter. Yes, it was matter, because matter has mass, which causes gravity for Einstein and Newton (light has no mass, but it does have energy, so it's "mass" is E/c - you'd need vast amounts of light to produce gravity - we can see light and we know there is no light where that matter is detected) . That's why we call it "matter", and "dark" because we cannot "see" it. Yes, it was detected, but it wasn't seen (in just the same way that you can detect lightning by hearing only the thunder. You also don't need to see an earthquake to detect it - earthquakes are almost never seen). Yes, it's like looking at a blackhole, you can see a lot of distortion around it.
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        • Because gravity affects spacetime. The common analogy is that mass is like a bowling ball on a trampoline, which would alter the straight-line trajectory of any ball rolling across the surface. Similarly, light is travelling in a straight line, it's SPACE that's warped.

        • by idji ( 984038 ) on Friday January 10, 2020 @07:28AM (#59605910)
          Light always travels in a straight line from its own perspective. Einstein worked out that spacetime is not "flat", but that spacetime is bent - that's what General Relativity is about. That is why to us the light bends. And this "bentness" also gives us gravitational waves when two blackholes spin into each other...
          Energy is the same thing as mass (remember E = mc^2), so yes, it is affected by gravity, but not by much because you have to divide by c^2, a very big number.
          Newton described masses pulling each other, he never knew how though. Einstein hated "spooky action at a distance" in Quantum Entanglement, and obviously hated it also in Newton's Gravity, and he worked out there is no "spooky Newtonian action at a distance" but that Mass(i.e. Energy) distorts spacetime, and things just move in a straight line from their own perspective (simple & genius - no spooky action needed). The genius of Einstein is that he gave us why the speed of light is the upper limit, gravitational light bending, relativistic time slowing (used by GPS satellites), and gravitational waves (which took us exactly 100 years in September 2015 to detect (not see) after he predicted it! Amazing!) I cried tears of joy listening to the press conference when they announced gravitational waves were true. Einstein won the Nobel Prize for the Photoelectric Effect (i.e. solar panels, lasers and led lights, why UV only burns and doesn't kill us, why fires give more infrared warmth than light, why blue things are blue and pink things are pink, and why red things are red in weak light and still red in bright light). Our world today would not exist without dear Albert.
        • by HiThere ( 15173 )

          Light has no rest mass. It does have a mass that depends on it's frequency, representing m = E/c^2. If you stopped it, it would cease to have any frequency, so it arguably wouldn't have any mass. (OTOH, neutrinos turned out to have a tiny bit of mass after all, and it wouldn't surprise me if light had a rest mass too....but a VERY small amount.)

          FWIW, "bending space-time" by gravity isn't certain. It's a well-tested model, but that just means it works everywhere we could test it so far. It is, however,

      • by m0rphy ( 6519316 )
        If traveling faster than the speed of light means we can go back in time, doesn't that mean time essentially is just a form of light? What else can travel at the speed of light if not light itself? Since any element moving forward does require energy to propel its movement or has to rely on some kinds of momentum, and as you said light has no mass but it does have energy so based on these logics is time really just a form of invisible light that is shining through us all? Without time, everything is standi
    • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Friday January 10, 2020 @05:19AM (#59605778)

      "Dark matter" is defined as "this gravitational effect that our theories don't yet predict, and where we don't know where it's coming from.

      Granted, it is the most misleading term in science, since "big bang", but here we are.

      As you can see, it has a gravitational effect. And sadly, nothig else AFAWK.
      So you can see its effect on regular bright stars. Kinda like black holes.

      (And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised, if it turns out to be black holes of some weird kind. ;)

      • by Sique ( 173459 )
        That was the first definition. Now as observations tell us that Dark Matter indeed does not interact with electromagnetic waves at all, it is dark in the most direct sense: It doesn't shine. It does neither absob nor emit photons.

        The ordinary, photon interacting matter (often called baryonic matter) is mainly accounted for, so astrophysicists know how much baryonic matter exists, and where it is in the Universe.

      • by hawkfish ( 8978 )

        Granted, it is the most misleading term in science, since "big bang", but here we are.

        Georges Lemaître actually called it the "Primordial Atom", but because he was a Jesuit, the atheist Fred Hoyle - a proponent of the Steady State theory who was philosophically opposed to the theory because it smacked of special creation - mocked it by calling it the "Big Bang". The name stuck, but Lemaître got the last laugh because he turned out to be correct. Hoyle then went on to further improve scientific discourse by developing the "junkyard tornado" argument used against abiogenesis by creat

    • > I'm sorry, I thought they couldn't detect dark matter what-so-ever: cold, hot, or diet.

      It's "dark matter" because it hasn't been detected other than by gravitational effects at cosmological scale. That's all it _really_ means. Please don't conclude how exotic it is from the name.

      • It is reasonably well inferred to be exotic, though.
        It isn't just matter that hasn't been detected other than by gravitational effects at cosmological scale-
        It's matterish stuff that doesn't appear to interact with photons *at all* at cosmological scales.
        It's actually a significant difference. They bend space time, but they don't interact with photons.
        • Isn't that what I just said?

          > it hasn't been detected other than by gravitational effects at cosmological scale.

          And if I may point out:

          > doesn't appear to interact with photons *at all* at cosmological scales.

          The ability to detect photonic interaction at cosmological scales is limited by many factors. Galaxies at cosmological distances are detectable because they have many stars radiating, and even supernova radiating. Some dust and gas on interstellar scales is detectable by scattering, such as visi

          • The ability to detect photonic interaction at cosmological scales is limited by many factors.

            Complete nonsense.
            Can we see galaxies outside of our own?
            That's because the dark matter around us does not occlude them. It's gravitationally active, but does not interact with light- it is *transparent*
            This can be distinguished from highly dense baryonic matter, which is *black*, not transparent.
            There isn't a lack of photons- there are plenty of photons. What there is, is something there that appears to be mass, but doesn't stop those photons.
            You're trying to conflate dark matter with dust- and it is

            • Excuse me, but what? I carefully distinguished cold baryonic matter like dust from the missing matter because it is detectable. This does not mean that the "dark matter" is not baryonic. If it's cold and dense, such as asteroids, planets, planetisimals, and even planets, it won't be detectable except if it's in orbit around a star, and in pretty close proximity to optical instruments available to astronomers. It's why I'm giving the idea of interstellar or even intergalactic planets such attention. They're

              • Excuse me, but what? I carefully distinguished cold baryonic matter like dust from the missing matter because it is detectable.

                This does not mean that the "dark matter" is not baryonic.

                Non-sequitur.
                cold, dark mass is detectable. It is detectable because it eclipses. It occludes.
                There is a lot of missing mass in the milky way. In fact, there is *more* missing than what we can see.
                Some dwarf galaxies have as much as 99% of their mass missing.

                These wouldn't be visible at all.

                I'm sorry but these do mean that dark matter is not baryonic. Period.
                Or that it does not exist, and our explanation of gravity is wrong. But then we run into the problem that no alternate theories of gravity do a

  • Were they around Uranus?
  • Because it isn't actually matter.

    It is a placeholder for what might otherwise appear to be missing matter in the univers which explains observed gravitation effects that deviate from the predicted effect based on the matter that we can measure. Other than this apparent gravitational effect, it appears to have no interaction with measurable matter whatsoever, so why call it matter in the first place?

    Has anyone considered the possibility that there is an entirely different force of nature at work which we have not yet given a name to, and which is actually only perceptable with existing instrumentation when making observations at the largest scales?

    • by Sique ( 173459 )
      Because E = mc^2. If it's a force, it transmits energy. And that is equivalent to mass, or matter.

      In Quantum Field theory, each force comes with a field and an associated particle, hence "matter".

    • by HiThere ( 15173 )

      Whether it's matter or not isn't clear, and partially depends on your definition of matter. It's got to be either non-baryonic, or to have been in some other way separated from the visible universe at the time of the Big Bang. And it doesn't react with electromagnetic forces, like photons. And it reacts to gravity. That it's particulate isn't proven, but is quite plausible.

    • Has anyone considered the possibility that there is an entirely different force of nature at work which we have not yet given a name to, and which is actually only perceptable with existing instrumentation when making observations at the largest scales?

      No- the force we're observing is gravity.
      The part that's upsetting, is that whatever the hell is messing with gravity there doesn't appear to interact with photons, which means it isn't baryonic.
      It's not that there's an entirely different force of nature at work, it's that there's an entirely different of nature at work.
      Something out there forms clumps that affect spacetime as if they were massive. But they don't appear to be baryonic matter.

    • None. Absolutely none of the professional scientists who have existed in the century it was discovered has ever considered the existence of another force as a possible explanation. Please go buy a trophy for yourself and engrave "Nobel Prize" on it.

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