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Police Pull Over More Drivers For DNA Tests 562

schwit1 sends this news from the Washington Times: "Pennsylvania police this week were pulling people to the side of the road, quizzing them on their driving habits, and asking if they'd like to provide a cheek swap or a blood sample — the latest in a federally contracted operation that's touted as making roads safer. The same operation took place last month at a community in Texas. Then, drivers were randomly told to pull off the road into a parking lot, where white-coated researchers asked if they'd like to provide DNA samples for a project that determines what percentage of drivers are operating under the influence of drugs or alcohol at given times. With uniformed police in the background, the researchers also offered the motorists money — up to $50 or so — for the blood or saliva samples."
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Police Pull Over More Drivers For DNA Tests

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  • three responses (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Speare ( 84249 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:00PM (#45729119) Homepage Journal

    Am I being detained?

    Am I free to go?

    No, I do not consent to any search.

  • WTF (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:00PM (#45729125)

    What the **** does a DNA sample have to do with the percentage of drunk drivers?!?!?!?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:06PM (#45729193)

    to make sure everyone understands that it is voluntary.

  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:06PM (#45729197)

    Tons of people. People are taught to always listen to cops. Lately I'm more scared of the police than any criminal. Police can ruin your life and easily kill you without repercussions. Cops are trained to always maintain control of the situation no matter how minor or petty. That is why so many people are tazed, beaten, or outright murdered when they tell cops they are wrong or the cops are doing illegal things.

  • by oldhack ( 1037484 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:06PM (#45729205)
    Obama administration is getting uglier by the day.
  • Who the fuck... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PvtVoid ( 1252388 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:06PM (#45729211)
    ... approved this study?

    Pretty much all studies involving human subjects in the U.S. have to be approved by a review board for compliance with ethical and safety standards. This study is an obvious fail in multiple respects, and I can't imagine a reputable review board approving such a thing. And if it wasn't reviewed, the study participants^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H victims of the study probably have standing to sue.
  • Re:three responses (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:08PM (#45729233)

    Am I being detained?

    Am I free to go?

    No, I do not consent to any search.

    It should really be:
    you're all under arrest for inappropriate police action and fraud.

  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:09PM (#45729241)

    The thing is, the people who have something to hide because they're drunk or stoned behind the wheel are exactly the same people who won't buy into it. So, the statistics gathering will be highly skewed. Researchers probably know this because it's obvious, and it's likely just a cover story.

  • Re:three responses (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Connie_Lingus ( 317691 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:14PM (#45729289) Homepage

    "Am I being detained?"

    yes...we are conducting an investigation.

    "Am I free to go?"

    no...not until the investigation is complete

    "No, I do not consent to any search."

    Fine...the dogs will be showing up momentarily.

  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SecurityGuy ( 217807 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:21PM (#45729353)

    They aren't the same people. I wouldn't buy into it, and I've never been stoned, and am almost a non-drinker. I would just find getting pulled over and being asked for a cheek swab to be a bizarre and highly intrusive request.

  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Khashishi ( 775369 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:23PM (#45729379) Journal

    Right. Either the test is voluntary, and suffers from selection bias, or it is involuntary, and is draconian.

  • by EdIII ( 1114411 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:23PM (#45729385)

    We only need to know one thing:

    They abused their power and position in the community to forcibly detain motorists under false pretenses .

    There is only ONE instance in which an officer can use a marked vehicle (never stop for unmarked ones) with their lights and/or sirens to pull a citizen over. The officer either witnessed a crime or has reasonable cause to suspect that a crime has been committed.

    Yes, using the lights and/or sirens is forcible detainment. It's not like you have a choice do you?

    It falls under the same bullshit of a fishing expedition. The cop pulls you over just to look inside the windows and fuck with you. Asks a bunch of questions trying to trip you up, to obtain a legal reason for detaining you in the first place when all they had was a hunch .

    We don't need any further accuracy into their actions. Absolutely nothing justifies that initial act of forcible detainment.

    The state should lose a couple million dollars in nice fat settlements to everyone pulled over. It's the only way they ever learn.

  • Re:three responses (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Khashishi ( 775369 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:24PM (#45729403) Journal

    Queue the "stop resisting" while they beat you to a pulp.

  • by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:26PM (#45729421)

    Just having an officer present is coercion enough. Perhaps they think they have plausible deniability since they are calling it "optional".

  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:30PM (#45729487) Homepage

    That's true of individual policemen / women. Whether it applies to the political and financial designs of the 'Police Department' (and associated governmental agencies) is another thing entirely.

  • $50 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Iamthecheese ( 1264298 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:33PM (#45729521)
    $50 is a lot more to a lot of people than you think. If you have a secure job or a lot of money it may seem like surrendering your privacy for nothing important. But for some people that means a chance to eat more than beans and rice this month, a phone card that could land them a job, or a 5 month overdue oil change.

    Perspective is important.
  • by tatman ( 1076111 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:34PM (#45729525) Homepage
    Voluntary is having a sign "$50 for a cheek swab, next right". Involuntary is police directing you to testing area. Period.
  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pegr ( 46683 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:34PM (#45729527) Homepage Journal

    "The overwhelming majority of police are, frankly, pretty good folk who actually enjoy serving the public."

    Ah, no. Good cops cover for bad cops, and that makes them bad cops. No such thing as a good cop.

  • Sheeple testing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by WaffleMonster ( 969671 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:34PM (#45729535)

    This isn't about DNA or road safety it is a test to see how much shit people will take from their government and what additional compliance can be purchased with money.

  • Re:three responses (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jedidiah ( 1196 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:37PM (#45729561) Homepage

    It's a shame that such nonsense can't be confined to idiots such as yourself. It would be nice if your stupidity only had consequences for you personally. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Someone else will suffer for your stupidity.

  • Re:three responses (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Jane Q. Public ( 1010737 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:39PM (#45729585)

    Next you'll say that officer testimony that "I smelled alcohol on his breath" should be inadmissible in court.

    I suggest you don't try to predict what I'll say, because most of the time you'll be wrong.

    I do think it should be admissible in court. I do NOT, however, think it should be accepted as gospel. It's just one person's word against another, and it matters not one damned bit if that other person is a police officer. They make notoriously bad witnesses.

    "Personally, I think that agreeing to this type of "surreptitious search" should be a requirement for renewing your drivers' license."

    You are entitled to your opinion. I do not share it, for a number of very good reasons.

    Among those reasons is that breathalyzers do not accurately reflect blood alcohol. If you just had one drink and are leaving the bar, it's going to set the thing off. There is VAST potential for abuse here.

  • Re:three responses (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SirGarlon ( 845873 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:50PM (#45729703)
    Refusing an illegal search can still get you pepper sprayed or tased. Cops are only held to standards of legality in exceptional cases. When was the last time you heard of a police officer sent to prison for brutality? You can push your luck if you want to.
  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by CanHasDIY ( 1672858 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:02PM (#45729831) Homepage Journal

    The overwhelming majority of police are, frankly, pretty good folk who actually enjoy serving the public.

    If you really believe this you are either willfully ignorant or a child,

    ... or a cop.

  • Re:Remember (Score:4, Insightful)

    by CanHasDIY ( 1672858 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:04PM (#45729861) Homepage Journal

    Remember: It's only being done in red states by state police.

    Since when is Pennsylvania a "red state?"

    Better zip up, your confirmation bias is showing.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:06PM (#45729881)

    The state should lose a couple million dollars in nice fat settlements to everyone pulled over. It's the only way they ever learn.

    No.
    The officers doing these illegal fishing expeditions need to GO TO JAIL. Along with the chief of police, mayor, and governor.
    You think these guys are going to shed a tear over losing millions of taxpayer dollars? (note: these are the same people burning DHS handouts on tactical armored personnel carriers, drones, license plate scanners, "less than lethal" toys, and machine guns for their SWAT teams)

  • by AGMW ( 594303 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:10PM (#45729921) Homepage
    Of course in the US asking ANY question when you've been told to do something by an officer is "Resisting Arrest" and can get you in a LOT of trouble! So if you think it may be an official stop (for whatever) reason you just do what you're told for risk of getting into serious trouble!
  • Re:Um.... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Flagran ( 556301 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:24PM (#45730105) Homepage
    Is that before or after the guy

    with the gun and the radio

    shoots you?

  • Re:three responses (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PRMan ( 959735 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:25PM (#45730117)
    Because they can say there are drugs in your car on command. And remember those 10% of bad cops we talked about up there? They're just scummy enough to plant said drugs in your disassembled car. Good luck convincing the jury that you weren't guilty since that was obviously the reason you didn't want a search.
  • Re:three responses (Score:3, Insightful)

    by readin ( 838620 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:28PM (#45730145)
    If you were pulled over without probably cause so that the officer smell your breath then yes, it should be only be inadmissible in court it should be recognized as an unreasonable search. Pulling me over and making me open my windows so my breath can be searched is no different than knocking on my door and demanding entry so the police can look around. Both make sense when there is probable cause that a crime is being committed. Both are unreasonable searches otherwise.
  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JeffAtl ( 1737988 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:42PM (#45730317)

    But you were also only privy to what they didn't mind you seeing or knowing about. The other 90% were just more careful.

    Like you said, the other 90% already displayed that they were criminals by covering up for the 10% that were brazen with their criminal activities.

  • by jimhill ( 7277 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @05:52PM (#45730469) Homepage

    "You can have my DNA when you suck it out of my dick."

  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JeffAtl ( 1737988 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @06:02PM (#45730625)

    Cops are the ones that refer to non-cops as "civilians".

    Look, all cops have to do to win back support is to start arresting bad cops on the spot.

  • Re:Um.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BattleApple ( 956701 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @06:10PM (#45730741)

    And in most cases, they could tie the DNA sample to your name using your car registration number.

  • Re:Remember (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ElementOfDestruction ( 2024308 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @06:33PM (#45731007)
    He's likely referring to the presidential election. As the electoral votes are awarded on a popular vote, with gerrymandered districts NOT figured (directly..) into the outcome, he clearly forgets that the State GOP has deemed that their continued representation of a minority through use of gerrymandered districts is more important than having a representative democracy.

    Happens all the time.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @07:59PM (#45731767)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

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