Liu Yang Becomes China's First Female Astronaut 229
China launched Saturday a rocket bearing three astronauts and an experimental orbiting module intended to presage a full-fledged space station at the end of this decade. While that's big news in itself, the launch also marks the first trip for a female Chinese astronaut. The BBC has a brief video, including part of a pre-launch press conference introducing 33-year-old astronaut Liu Yang, as well as her crewmates.
Taïkonaut (Score:5, Informative)
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A spationaut is french.
Giggle... Snort... ROTFLMAO.
CESMs don't deserve to go into space.
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Prisoner
Convict
Escapee
Test Subject A
my suggestion: (Score:5, Funny)
Austronaut
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I'm pretty sure there's no kangaroos in space [wikipedia.org] either...
np: Future Sound Of London - Calcium (Accelerator)
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Bruce.
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I'm for Sulunaut
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I think this silliness needs to end. We don't refer to any other occupation in the language of the worker's native tongue. What is the origin of this when it comes to spacefarers? Probably the cold war, and attempting to portray Soviet cosmonauts as inferior by not even referring to them by the same word we use to describe our astronauts. Regardless, it's lame, and the more countries that send people in to space, the stupider this gets.
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Agreed. IIRC, Clarke used the word "cosmonaut" for spacefarers of all Earthly origins in many of his later books. Of course, your typical American would never use a pinko communist term like that. Personally, I would rather be a traveler in cosmos than dive into the hot plasma of a fscking star.
On a related note, I think it is silly to translate the names of countries and other places -- we don't usually translate the names of people either. Transliteration is fine though, and some leeway must be allowed
Re:Taïkonaut (Score:4, Informative)
At least according to Wikipedia, Chinese themselves use the word "astronaut" in their official English publications (and "cosmonaut" in Russian ones).
The argument is silly, anyway. "Astron" is not English at all, and "cosmos", while Russian, is directly loaned from Greek. Why should we insist on using a Chinese word for a Chinese astronaut?
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No, no, NO! This is stupid. We do this for exactly 0 other professions. French doctors are called Docteur only by the French, Russian ship captains are called Kapitan only by the Russians, Chinese spacefarers should bloody well be called taÃkonaute by the Chinese only.
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Congratulations for being the 56th female visitor! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Congratulations for being the 56th female visit (Score:5, Informative)
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This June 16th is also the 49th anniversary of Valentina Vladimirovna Tereshkova's trip to space.
It's also Bloomsday [wikipedia.org].
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Oh My Fscking God!! How inspiring could one woman be?????
If you didn't grow up in Soviet Union, you'll never know for real. But, yes, she was very inspiring to millions of Soviet girls. Which was pretty much the point.
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Sure, because everyone (except those in the Soviet space program) thought that she actually *did something* besides sit there.
At least Our Guys had control sticks even though they were mainly for emergencies.
Re:Congratulations for being the 56th female visit (Score:4, Insightful)
Who cares, if the end result is that many more girls figured they could try their luck in fields they wouldn't have considered before because of cultural conditioning?
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So we don't care about actual fact; what's *really* important is inspiring little girls?
Got any children? Specifically, girls? Then you know that Things Change when they hit puberty. Maybe they'll revert to wanting to to do something manly (like mine wanted to be a Marine for a couple of years), but just as likely not.
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Sure, because everyone (except those in the Soviet space program) thought that she actually *did something* besides sit there.
At least Our Guys had control sticks even though they were mainly for emergencies.
Spacecraft orientation maintenance and orbital control was actually not entirely automated on the Vostok: Thereskova had to do that manually based on info from her onboard instruments and groundcontrol feedback. So you are just being petty here. The Soviet Union launched a woman into space within 2 years of their first manned flight. The US did so only 22 years after their first manned flight.
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So you are just being petty here.
No, if you're correct about what she had to do, then I'm ill-informed.
The Soviet Union launched a woman into space within 2 years of their first manned flight.
And they waited 19 years to send up another woman. Obviously it was just a publicity stunt:
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I think Thereskova was mainly choosen because of her parachutist background (the early Russian kosmonauts parachuted out of the capsule just before landing). The other factors certainly played, but as an "additional".
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I thought Your Guys had control sticks mainly to assuage their egos.
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Sure. Why recruit the best fighter pilots, when even a monkey can sit in a sealed-up tin can?
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That was the problem, yes. The space program basically needed warm bodies in good health to sit in a sealed up tin can without freaking out excessively over the danger. The air force pilots they tapped for that had those qualities, but were primarily pilots. They were all essentially overqualified for the job. There is a (dramatized, obviously) scene from the movie _The Right Stuff_ where the pilots demand a window and manual controls. While the movie is just a movie, it is somewhat based on reality.
Doing shit everyone else does... with a vagina! (Score:3, Insightful)
SO special!
Don't they realize that highlighting this as special is sexism?
In a non-sexist mind, this is just a normal thing, and in no way special.
And as long as we don't stop nonsense as this, sexism won't stop.
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...Anything except whistling at the other gender, which is forbidden for men but permitted for women. Bunch of moms whistling at the Disney boy du jour = "oh come on, the boy likes it"; bunch of dads whistling at the Disney girl du jour = "OMG perverts! Go to jail!"...
Examine your rage, dude, because this wasn't the silliest thing in newspapers this week, but it is the one you and half of Slashdot chose to freak out about. It's a pattern.
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Is she the first female Chinese astronaut? Yes. So anything wrong mentioning that fact?
Wonder why your driver's license lists you are a man (or woman)? Is that sexism?
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This is not because men discriminate women, which is a stupid notion
The rest of what you said was a bit tainted by this little statement. There's plenty of discrimination by men (generally speaking) both throughout history and in the present day. In the particular field we're discussing, the US specifically discriminated against women through the early history of the space program when all the astronauts came from an air force background.
Amazing (Score:2)
Amazing that we focus on such BS.
I think that SpaceX should launch a woman or two on the first launch just so that they can claim that they are willing to send women on the first launch, esp. of private space.
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I don't know about you, but personally I'm focusing on the fact that someone is actually launching something into space - and for a space station, no less. Which is good, because if American space program folds, at least there will be Chinese to keep progress moving.
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Probably what is far more important, is that we need to get Bigelow (and hopefully, IDC Dover) going.
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funds 2.5 private space
What's private about something that requires government funding?
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As it is, we have thrown 10B at Constellation, of which most of that went into Ares I. And what do we have to show for it? Nothing.
So, now, we start again with the Senate Launch System. How much will this take? ANOTHER 20B, and nearly 10 years before a human flies. And that is only for 70 tonnes with actual launch costs of 1-2B.
OTOH, 'private' space CAN put humans into s
So what? (Score:2, Funny)
I bet there will soon be an African-Canadian Jewish Bisexual Amputee as well!
To be serious - this "The first WOMAN!!!" or "The first BLACK DUDE!!!" to do X really annoys me. Yeah, we get it, people of all genders and nationalities and heritages can do the same stuff. No big surprise - we're all human.
Does anyone else find these articles degrading and unnecessary?
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Don't worry, I'm sure the militant feminists(and their male supporters) will be out soon to scream that your post is racist and misogynist soon.
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Look, it's the kind of headline that makes an article. And we need these kinds of articles about "boldly go" etc, badly.
Or would you prefer to read another sports story instead? Or some budget rant?
I'm all for women in space (Score:3, Interesting)
Especially if they're wearing trashy Frank Frazetta outfits.
Does it bother anyone else... (Score:3)
That only China and Russia (two countries that aren't exactly friendly to the US) are the only ones capable of putting humans in earth orbit at the moment? I know that I would, considering that US satellites fix themselves up there.
I'm hoping that the next US president will feel the same way (whoever they are), and we can get a good old fashioned space race restarted. It would be nice to see US scientists and engineers working on something more important than developing an better iPhone for a change.
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That's because, up until the Shuttle went under, anyone who was friendly with us could get a ride with us without building a manned space program on their own.
Private spaceflight is more interesting (Score:3)
China is only slightly ahead of private spaceflight, which makes it hard for me to be impressed. Give it 3 or 4 years, and private companies will be able to do more impressive stuff than China. At that point, it will just be a matter of having enough money (it's not much more than that now, really).
That, and launching women into space isn't actually any more difficult than launching men (you have to design the spacesuits a little differently, but that's trivial). When the first women were launched into space, it was a triumph for equality, but sexism isn't really China's biggest problem (well, not after birth, any way).
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Congrats on joining the few members of the "50 mile high club", but I'll be a lot more impressed when the chinese get those people into a stable earth orbit and then return, not just breathe the thin air and then fall back... regardless of the sexual organs present in the cockpit. -_-
So is 10 days not a stable enough orbit for you :)
from the report:
The crew will stay in space for more than 10 days, during which time they will perform scientific experiments and the country’s first manual space docking — a complicated procedure that brings two vessels together in high-speed orbit.
Re:Okay, and? (Score:5, Insightful)
Was there something about being a woman that made it problematic being in space
you mean besides the monthly "make no sense, freak everyone out" day? no, i don't think there's any difference.
Re:Okay, and? (Score:4, Interesting)
you mean besides the monthly "make no sense, freak everyone out" day? no, i don't think there's any difference.
If you think men's behavior isn't influenced by hormones, you are wrong:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2012/06/13/why-male-hormones-may-drive-the-stock-market-and-override-investors-ability-to-think-rationally/ [forbes.com]
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If you think men's behavior isn't influenced by hormones, you are wrong
Not wrong, just could be, maybe wrong. The researchers noticed hormone changes and assumed that men wouldn't think rationally as a result. They might even be right. Although I can't help but think that any trader who's been active for a few years probably has figured out how to cope.
Re:Okay, and? (Score:4, Insightful)
Not all women are thus affected, and men in space have similar issues with feeling horny and frustrated on a much more regular basis. Part of the psychological evaluation all astronauts undergo is to evaluate their susceptibility to those issues and to see how suppressant medication works.
Come on guys, drag yourselves into the 21st century.
Re:Okay, and? (Score:4, Insightful)
which brings an interesting question... can astronauts really spend long times in space (months or maybe over a year) without any sexual thinking at all? i mean... at some point, if you do.. you have to unload... uhm.. are they allowed to?
Re:Okay, and? (Score:5, Funny)
which brings an interesting question... can astronauts really spend long times in space (months or maybe over a year) without any sexual thinking at all? i mean... at some point, if you do.. you have to unload... uhm.. are they allowed to?
Maybe that's why she's there?
(before the mods slay me, you have to admit it's the elephant in the room)
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The incredible focus on having a female on board makes me wonder why she was chosen.
The US regularly had/has females their crew, and the gender of an astronaut is pretty much a non-issue. These are obviously chosen for being good astronauts.
This Liu Yang is surely a good astronaut, but as the news about this launch is more than half about having a woman on boars, makes me wonder what the real reason is to chose her over one of the other candidates they have.
Gender shouldn't matter. I don't think there are j
Re:Okay, and? (Score:5, Insightful)
This Liu Yang is surely a good astronaut, but as the news about this launch is more than half about having a woman on boars, makes me wonder what the real reason is to chose her over one of the other candidates they have.
This is one of the burdens pioneering women have placed on them: people are always second-guessing them, wondering whether they got their position on the merits or if are being given special treatment because they are women. Minorities often get a similar response ("oh s/he only got the job because of affirmative action"). Hence the saying "you've got to be at least twice as good as anyone else to be accepted as equal".
Re:Okay, and? (Score:4, Insightful)
I do not second-guess any women on the Shuttle missions.
I do second-guess this case because the news about this rocket launch is literally >50% "we got a woman in space" and There is no reason to me this woman would not be as good as their male counterparts. She used to be a fighter pilot, so has a proven track record in another high-demand job. It's just how the news overly focusses on having a woman in space that makes me suspect that the selection criteria for this mission included "must include a female".
It is almost like if you would report on the first Apollo moon missions as "we got a man in space, and outside of orbit! Oh yeah they also touched down on the moon. This man is fantastic, his family is great, he worked so hard to get in space and put evreything aside. His wife and kid followed the launch at home."
Now what is the important part: a man/woman in space, or the exploratory and scientific reach and objectives of the space mission?
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This is one of the burdens pioneering women have placed on them: people are always second-guessing them, wondering whether they got their position on the merits or if are being given special treatment because they are women. Minorities often get a similar response ("oh s/he only got the job because of affirmative action"). Hence the saying "you've got to be at least twice as good as anyone else to be accepted as equal".
In this case, it is worse. There was an article a couple of months ago [chinadaily.com.cn] that said they had a bunch of female candidates to choose from and they (a) delibertely picked a woman and (b) her looks were part of the criteria (no scars).
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Scars are generally tougher than the surrounding tissue, and I wasn't aware exploding teeth were a major mountaineering hazard. Sounds like PR to me.
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Indeed, I thought that was obvious and find it odd that fritsd got modded to +5 for just repeating the party line.
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This is one of the burdens pioneering women have placed on them: people are always second-guessing them, wondering whether they got their position on the merits or if are being given special treatment because they are women.
Doubting their capabilities because they are women is one thing, insofar as being a woman is not relevant to one's ability to perform a given job. Doubting the capabilities of someone who was awarded a job as the result of affirmative action is another thing, insofar as the criterion used for the award is likewise not relevant to performing the job, which fact potentially reduces the likelihood of awarding the job to the optimal candidate.
In addition, affirmative action increases the quality of the average
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She was chosen 14 years ago (Score:5, Insightful)
Why assume that she was chosen for any other reason? The press is going to make a huge deal about it no matter what the reason because a female face in space sells advertising space - however they don't get to make the call, especially not in China.
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The United States, of course, would never stoop to such tactics. (hint: next time you are at a big airshow stop by the US Air Force recruiting boo
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The US regularly had/has females their crew, and the gender of an astronaut is pretty much a non-issue.
Well, at least starting 1983 they did. Of course, there's those pesky 22 years where there were no women, but that's another story...
According to legend, the issue was that all of engineers were male and none of them really knew how to create a system for handling women peeing. The more likely reason was that most astronauts were combat pilots and, at the time, women weren't allowed. Sally Ride [wikipedia.org] was never in the military.
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The history of women astronauts in NASA is a fascinating one. The US women astronaut candidates dealt with all of the tests as well as their male counterparts, they were lighter, smaller, as a result more suitable to the cramped conditions of the Mercury capsule and its launcher's very limited load capability where every kg counted. Then from the top it came, the astronauts can only be jet fighter pilots and guess, there were none of those in the "wrong" sex. It was the Shuttle era, 20 odd years later, when
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Russians, on the other hand, managed to get one up in the air pretty quickly (for propaganda reasons, obviously) and then the next woman Russian astronaut had to wait a while too.
Of course, if USSR does anything -- it is for propaganda reasons, if USA -- it is for the benefit of humanity.
Your statements are the perfect illustration of the fact that American propaganda is even more pervasive than Soviet one.
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Not entirely disagreeing with you, but perhaps M1FCJ was referring to the fact that just as the US did the Soviet Union had a pool of qualified female aviators (including many with combat experience) but selected Valentina Tereshkova, who appeared to be only minimally qualified, instead. One suspects that there might have been a concern (as there was in the US) that if a qualified women was chosen she might just expect to be a full member of the team, selected for additional missions, etc).
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Valentina Tereshkova (Score:2)
N.B. that photo looks like you'd REALLY not want to pick a fight with her. Or accidentally eat her cosmonaut ration. Or look at her in a funny way.
Re:Okay, and? (Score:5, Insightful)
I am not sure why it matters that she's the first female astronaut.
It matters to those of us trying to raise daughters. They need as many role models as we can give them. I want my daughter to ask for a lunch box with a picture of Liu Yang or Sally Ride, and not the "Disney Princesses".
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What's wrong with Disney princesses?
Unrealistic role models and a lot of pink crap. Plus I have been "tattooed" and stickied with said pink crap. There is a lot of suffering here.
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Why? What's wrong with Disney princesses? Did little boys who wanted /Miami Vice/ lunch boxes really want to be undercover narcotics agents with stupid clothing and bad hair?
What's wrong is that if those little boys really did want to be undercover narcotics agents with stupid clothing and bad hair, they could have done that. No matter what you do and no matter how hard you work, you are never going to be a princess.
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I want my daughter to ask for a lunch box with a picture of Liu Yang or Sally Ride,
Why? What's wrong with Disney princesses?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT2R3E7vDUc [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8xCgC3w1zs [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuk-h2ZYNJU [youtube.com]
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That worries me a hell of a lot less than Miley Cyrus flashing her crotch on stage.
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Why? What's wrong with Disney princesses? Did little boys who wanted /Miami Vice/ lunch boxes really want to be undercover narcotics agents with stupid clothing and bad hair?
Well I'm 2 out of 3
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I would think that a little girl (or boy, for that matter) at say, the age of 8, does not have much realization of "being myself" and "following a role model". Actually, I would say that you won't know anything about yourself until you reach the age of at least 20, but of course that varies dramatically. The Greeks philosophized quite a lot about it and to "know yourself" was considered a significant milestone or even target in one's life. So role models do help and Disney role models in particular need to
Re:Okay, and? (Score:5, Funny)
No, she's the first Chinese female astronaut, which means that half an hour after she takes off, you have to launch another one.
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Actually, IIRC women are more at risk from developing cancer (of the ovaries and breasts) as a result of radiation, and in space you're much more exposed to radiation.
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ok, why is it worth noting? if gender is just anatomy and doesn't matter, then it's unremarkable either way whether women are/are not involved.
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I know girls aren't that technically competent, and are only really good at finding sparkley pink stuff, but really, you're on Slashdot -- can't you at least Google "women in space" before going back to painting your nails and gabbing with your BFF about how cute the boys are?
Girls aren't technically competent??? Serious troll material, but whatever...
I'm trying to get past what you wrote and focus on what I think the GP (girlintraining) was really saying. it's worth recognizing Liu Yang as the first Chinese female taikonaut. But let's not make too big a deal about women in space after it has been demonstrated conclusively that space is yet another area of human endeavour that has no gender qualification.
Re:HAIL CHINA! (Score:5, Insightful)
Rank Country (or dependent territory) Prisoners per 100,000 population
1 United States 730 ICPS
2 St. Kitts and Nevis 649 ICPS
3 U.S. Virgin Islands (USA) 539 ICPS
4 Georgia 536 ICPS
5 Russia 522 ICPS
6 Seychelles 507 ICPS
7 Anguilla (UK) 480 ICPS
8 Rwanda 450 ICPS (c.)
9 British Virgin Islands (UK) 439 ICPS
10 Bermuda (UK) 428 ICPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate [wikipedia.org]
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Crime in China (Score:3)
Although not as high as some Western countries, crime rate in China should be considered as "High"
But there is one big different between China and those so-called "Western countries"
Unlike in Western countries, where criminals are "protected" by the laws, crime victims in China often take the law in their own hand and punish the perpetrators - sometimes killing the criminals\
And that has nothing to do with Confucianism - "Confucianism" is but an obsolete piece of cultural artifact
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the reckless failures of our unregulated banking industry
The reckless failures of the regulated banking industry is what has cost the $$$. That's why I don't worry about recent regulation that has been imposed or proposed. American ingenuity will find a way to screw it up every ten to twenty years.
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The US government will probably make a profit on the loans made to banks during the bailout. The "shovel ready" projects were what cost trillions and didn't create any real jobs.
What cost consumers (who took out the bad loans) was the requirement that banks make a certain percentage of mortgage loans to unqualified borrowers. Those changes were forced through in the 90's and resulted in the housing bubble and inevitable collapse that followed.
Re:HAIL CHINA! (Score:4, Informative)
If you are referring to the Radical Right talking point of the Community Reinvestment Act, which required mortgage lenders not to discriminate against qualified buyers, it was passed in 1977. That's a heck of a delayed reaction there as compared to, I dunno, the Gramm family's work in repealing Glass-Steagall in 1999.
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That would be why Australian well regulated banks had no problems at all. It was poor regulation that allowed US banks to get in so much trouble in the first place, not being regulated at all.
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Wrong orbital mechanics.
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Do you have any actual evidence that any tech for this launch was "stolen" from any other country. For that matter, have you considered the irony of accusing China of "stealing" rocket technology from other regions of the world?