Cloned Drug-Sniffing Dogs Prove Successful In South Korea 125
Rexdude writes "A prized drug-sniffing dog at Incheon Airport in South Korea was cloned four years ago, and now the clones have proven to be much more successful at becoming sniffer dogs themselves compared to regular dogs. Not as controversial as human cloning, but are we going to see genetic copyrights on prized animal breeds in the future?"
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They have the Charlie Sheen gene in there somewhere.
So... that guy really does like the bitches...
I suppose there should be a furry joke tossed in now.
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What no repet jokes, 6th day violation?
Dogs are old hat! (Score:3)
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Especially since a recent study indicates that drug sniffing dogs are susceptible to the Clever Hans problem. [sciencedaily.com]
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Power (Score:3)
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What is it with geeks and the thin 12 year old boy look?
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>> The main difference is the face and genitalia, otherwise its hard to tell fat male and female bodies apart.
Unless there's facial hair involved (and even then ..), the faces are similar. It's the hairdo and cheap makeup that make the difference. As for genitalia, if we are talking *massive*, you might need to peel back the apron to see for sure.
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Women go ga-ga over six packs. In order to have a six pack you have to have an absolutely lean body with no fat on it. That and do quite a few situps every day.
I highly recommend developing one at least once in your life. It's worth the effort, and anyone can do it.
In any event, I agree. The 12 year old boy comments come from women who think men should love them for their minds. These are the same women who go ga-ga over six packs.
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I highly recommend developing one at least once in your life. It's worth the effort, and anyone can do it.
What about those of us with potato-bodies who have the easy weight gain + difficult weight loss combo that women at least act like they have, and seem to be incapable of developing any muscle mass?
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What about those of us with potato-bodies who have the easy weight gain + difficult weight loss combo that women at least act like they have, and seem to be incapable of developing any muscle mass?
Maybe you should stop eating at McDonalds. Eating good food is a prerequisite to being healthy.
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I've probably eaten less than one McDonald's meal per year over my lifetime. I rarely eat fast food. I do eat a high proportion of various bachelor foods (TV dinner, ramen noodles, etc) but not much of it.
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Its math. If calories expended are greater than what you eat, you will lose weight. Track your calories and start exercising. I'll accept that there are probably some people who are genetically challenged at losing weight, just like there are people with crazy metabolisms that can't gain weight no matter how much they eat. But even if you don't get all the way to a 6-pack, you'll still feel good, have more energy, and (most importantly) be healthier.
Difficult weight loss is still weight loss. It will j
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Androgynous. [google.co.uk]
Hourglass. [google.co.uk]
Fat. [google.co.uk]
What happens when the denial goes away. [nambla.org]
HTH.
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Marilyn Monroe was not fat.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume English isn't your first language or you have some mild developmental problem.
Monroe is hourglass but thin whereas Natalie Portman looks like a boy. Neither are fat.
There are thin women considered attractive who are not anywhere near boyish - Naomi Campbell would be a fairly long-running example - and there are fat women who are attractive - I offer Sophie Dahl. The size is a minor issue: it's just typical geekery to take some ideal, in this case "no
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The phrase you are looking for is Waist to Hip Ratio [wikipedia.org].
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1) Barely shaped hips except perhaps in the second pic (but that could just be from her stance); small training-bra breasts. Sorry, dude, you're in some serious denial;
2) There's a decent chance that Hazel Bergeron is a skinny male who adopts the name of a character from the usually misinterpreted book Harrison Bergeron because she epitomises the average human which hilariously angry geeks adopt the prejudice that they must be superior to;
3) Can't disagree there.
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"Barely shaped hips" is meaningless drivel.
Paper search for "waist to hip ratio". The phrase isn't only meaningful but is the subject of multiple studies on health and attractiveness. And guess what? It's visibly below 1.0 on average for healthy men but even further below that for women.
you are likely to be slapped with a lawsuit.
Though there's a risk of enjoying a lawsuit (lol, America) for publicly making any accusation, "in real life" simply giving someone your conclusion - that it's true in this case is irrelevant - gives no ground for legal action.
But congratulations on showing your card
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Ah, the sound of furious backpedalling. Now it's meaningless drivel in context, which is another way of saying perfectly meaningful remark but the measurements I obtained during my wet denial dreams do not support your conclusion. But at least you're no longer stumbling on a matter of law - that a well-built human of either gender past six years of age has a WHR<<1.0 with WHR(female)<WHR(male) [stefvanbuuren.nl] - and getting down to the matter of fact. Progress be praised.
Though, Christ, I'm beginning to lose count
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You reloaded.
Good day, Sir.
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They all like Twiggy - Damn skin and bones are easier to hide (under bed/in closet). Sorry guys but I prefer some cusion for pushing, otherwise you risk bruising your nads.
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Clone Natalie Portman so every slashdotter can have one!
I'd buy one of those.
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Not much difference (Score:4, Interesting)
Pure-bred dogs are bred in such a small population that they were getting pretty close to being clones anyway.
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There's a big difference between inbred and cloned.
Pure-bred dogs are inbred to the point of causing severe genetic deformities.
We don't look at the same inbreeding in humans and say "My, that's an interesting advancement in human cloning, isn't it?"
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We don't look at the same inbreeding in humans and say "My, that's an interesting advancement in human cloning, isn't it?"
Why do we find foreign and mixed race women (/men) exotic?
We are naturally attracted because we can make excellent children with them. Shake up the gene pool.
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[Same 'Anonymous Coward' as before so at this point I may have to create a full account!]
I meant 'inbreeding' as 'coming from the same family line'.
If i had a cat and it had kittens I wouldn't think that breeding a sister and brother from that litter with eachother would produce a 'clone' of the parent cat/ brother/ sister. That would be inbreeding, no matter what the species.
'Selective breeding' would be more in-line with what you're thinking and it a practice that works quite well. Just look at the Clydes
No factual difference if the genes are identical (Score:2)
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Have racehorses been cloned? (Score:3)
They are the most expensive non-Human animals right? Other than perhaps extinct animals that people want to bring back like the Saber-tooth tiger, the wooly mammoth and the Dodo (not). What about truffle finding pigs?
Actually maybe certain transgenic animals that have had their DNA altered to express useful drugs (like goats with insulin laced milk) might be more expensive.
Anyway, is it illegal race a cloned racehorse? Will they be requiring genetic tests on all winning racehorses? What about race horses that have already died (Seabiscuit?).
Re:Have racehorses been cloned? (Score:5, Informative)
In most places they don't even allow racehorses to be bred by artificial insemination, they insist on live cover only.(*) That stops a few issues, swapping a whole stallion is harder than swapping a test-tube of semen, so it cuts down on fraud. Also, semen can be thinned and used to breed more mares, so the already rather inbred population would get even worse if everybody was breeding their mares to just a handful of top stallions. Natural breeding puts an upper limit on the number of foals you can get from one stallion. You could clone your horse if you wanted, but there's no way that horse would be allowed to be registered in the stud books, so you could never race it or breed other racehorses from it.
What I have seen proposed is allowing a gelding to be cloned, once, so that you have a genetically identical stallion which can be used to breed from in place of the gelding. Currently racehorse owners just see dollar signs hanging between their stallions legs, even though it takes years to find out if your stallion is one of the few that will actually make any money at stud after retiring from racing. Since stallions can be violently unpredictable animals, it would make racing safer if they could all be gelded at the start, and just the few that are worthwhile cloned for breeding.
Cloning famous past horses might be a disappointment anyway. Some of the record times those horses put in back then are routine these days. Although it would answer some questions about how much of that is improved training vs genetics.
* - There are exceptions. The local racing board here allows an exemption for stallions who've been injured in a manner that prevents breeding naturally. The exemptions are granted on a case by case basis, and the stallion has to be excited by the mare he's going to be bred to, with the semen is transferred to the mare within 5 minutes.
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Because what? The police would arrest you? The racing overlords would have you killed?
What would stop anyone from setting up a competing race with their own rules?
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Yeah you could set up some kind of unlimited league where anything goes, then start setting limits when too many jockeys get killed in high-speed doped-up genetically modified horse crashes. The Formula One of the horse world.
Meh, still boring...
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I don't know that that would be the "Formula One" of the horse world. Formula One has been sanitized and sterilized so much over the last two decades that I suspect such a horse could almost out-run a Formula One car! ;)
F1 is about entertainment now- not the cutting edge technology and speed.
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You would prefer to see humans classified as fungus perhaps? Or maybe as a type of metamorphic rock?
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If that much, for some of them.
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I wonder then why my fur and claws never stop growing, even when I don't use them, and why do I feel aroused when some girls passes around with a high pheromone level... Or why do I get hungry and have to take a shit every day.
Fact is, we are animals. And much more than most care to admit. The only difference, really, is that most animals are more selective about what they eat than us.
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Dogs are better at the job, and they can be trained not to eat the goods.
And truffles can be farmed.
Just saying
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Yes (Score:1)
Stupid question. If it can be done it/allowed will be done.
Labrador retriever (Score:3, Informative)
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And, since it is South Korea, tasty!
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One day it decided to test its place on the ladder, and went for my mother.
My father reasserted his authority as alpha male, by means of a neck grab and shake, and that was the end of the situation.
Labradors are dogs; pack animals; and they play by their rules. Never underestimate a dog's potential, no matter what breed.
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My brother had one that tried that dominant bullshit. I walked over and very calmly punched him in the jaw. Never had a lick of trouble from him again. Just everybody setting out the pecking order.
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Yes, yes, $(YOUR_FAVOURITE_BREED) is a proud, noble dog. Alert, intelligent, sociable, $(YOUR_FAVOURITE_BREED) is a loyal companion if correctly raised. Behavioural problems with $(YOUR_FAVOURITE_BREED) are inevitably the fault of the owner.
Save it for Wikipedia, where thanks to gushing starry eyed defensive owners, every other breed page reads exactly like $(YOUR_FAVOURITE_BREED)'s page.
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(Thank you - I'm here 'til Thursday)
Of course there will (Score:3)
Monsanto has already patented their GMOs. Silly to ask if somethings goign to happen when it's already done.
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Impossible, the prior art is obvious! In the case of Monsanto one could argue that the seeds have been specifically engineered. However, in this case, it is a direct clone of a naturally bred dog. You cannot get a patent on a copy?
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It would be a debatable point if you're patenting a particular expression of genes, as every non-cloned individuals genome is unique and therefore has no "prior art." Genetics are a very specific expression of something compared most modern patents.
However, I do believe there was some discussion in the UN about banning patents on genomes, but I don't know what ever came out of those discussions. I'm sure if they did the smart thing and decided to ban patenting natural genomes that the corporate world w
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Or just de-naturalise the genome.
1. Take prize-winning animal.
2. Take sample cell.
3. Make some small but patentable modification. Doesn't have to do much.
4. Incinerate original animal, to make sure the competition can't get their hands on it.
5. Start mass-cloneing your slightly modified and thus patent-protected genome.
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And oxen. A lot.
Questionable at best. (Score:1)
In most cases, the dogs responded to cues (intentional or not) on the part of the dog's handler, rather than any actual detection of drugs. Double-blind studies have shown how effective they actually are in the real world, which is... not.
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Electronics aren't much better (Score:3, Interesting)
I remember the Toronto airport security testing out one of the electronic sniffers. It was supposed to be much more sensitive than dogs are.
The problem is, it was too sensitive. It turns out that after a few decades of smuggling, pretty much every surface in the baggage handling are has been exposed to drugs or explosives at some time or other, so the electronic sniffer kept going off.
When they turned down the sensitivity, it was no better than a dog.
Case in point: 90 percent of U.S. bils carry tra [cnn.com]
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That's why we should use cats instead: cats wouldn't respond to cues from the handler.
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Yes but juggling them is something else altogether.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qbc2J0zZr8 [youtube.com]
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...emitting useless cues about folks they dislike.
The cues they 'emit' do not have to be intentional - a reaction to seeing a particularly ugly piece of luggage or one that screams "conspicuous consumption" might set the dog off. You allude to that in the next sentence with the word 'subconscious'.
Copyright != Patent (Score:1)
Copyright is a different protection to patent.
A patent could protect a novel method of cloning. Ie, the specific way the geneticist uses his or her test tubes etc in the lab to get the clone. Wouldn't stop anyone breeding a sniffer dog.
A copyright cannot protect the clone. Unless the scientist actually wrote out the genome from his or her mind in some inspired supergenius way: GTTACCAATGCA....... Which is impossible.
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I swear I read GATTACA
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I am pretty sure that a particular clone set (clones of a particular dog) would be patentable, just as at present there are many patented varieties of roses and other plants, that result from selective breeding. (USPTO info on plant patents [uspto.gov]). In those cases they are effectively clones, having been created by making cuttings of the original plant. They are genetically identical. Patent would be stronger protection than copyright.
However, from my reading of the USPTO info, those patents apply to plants, n
Do Cloned Drug-Sniffing Dogs Taste Better? (Score:3, Funny)
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How do they prove successful? Do Cloned Drug-Sniffing Dogs simply taste better?
Well played, Sir.
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Only if seasoned with cloned salt and pepper..........
Like in "Push it REAL Good"?
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Yeah but that was a robot, right? Like a cruise missile with legs.
The New Evolution (Score:1)
This is the new evolution
If you're fit enough to serve humans' purpose, you get to survive to the next generation.
Pity those animals that currently don't.
I'm going to guess they have the same issues (Score:2)
I'm going to guess they have the same issues as other clones, to wit: shortened telomeres resulting in a shortened Hayflick limit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayflick_limit [wikipedia.org] and therefore a shortened lifespan. Subtract out the age of the dog at the time the samples used for cloning were taken.
I made this same point (to NBC) as a possibility in early 1997 when Dolly the sheep was announced, and it turned out I was correct in my assertion; see this report: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/1520455 [liebertonline.com]
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Sure they can sniff out drugs (Score:1)
But sniffing another clone's ass sends them into an existensial crisis.
Age issue (Score:1)
A few years ago I read that cloned animals have the same age as their originals (right from the birth), thus cloning even middle aged animals becomes less attractive financially as clones have a substantially short(er) life span.
Is this fact still valid?
Korea cloning dogs (Score:2)
Anyone else see a secondary agenda here?
So if... (Score:2)
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