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World's Oldest Fossils Found On Australian Beach 80

sciencehabit writes "Researchers say they have discovered the fossils of 3.4-billion-year-old cells in between the cemented sand grains of an ancient beach in Western Australia, possibly the oldest fossils ever found (abstract). Chemical analyses of the minerals near the cells suggest the microorganisms depended on sulfur for fuel. Such a beach might have been life's first breeding ground, one author says."
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World's Oldest Fossils Found On Australian Beach

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  • That was careless. You'd think people would pay more attention to their fossils.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Those "Life's a Beach" bumper stickers at least

  • That's what years in the Sun does to your skin!
  • Just some old retirees who've pruned up with too much sun.
  • by JoshuaZ ( 1134087 ) on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:01PM (#37168696) Homepage

    TFA notes that this work was done by Martin Brasier's team and that Brasier has generally been a strong critic of a lot of the claims about early fossilized life. That may be strong evidence that this claim should be taken seriously. However, there have been times before where scientists have criticized claims coming from other groups even as they've made nearly identical claims. It looks like Brasier et al. have done much more careful chemical work than some of the other early life claims which makes this look promising but this probably won't be completely clear until a bit more work by other groups is done. It is also important to note that it is extremely unlikely that we are finding the very first life. Most likely, life had to be pretty common already in order for it to have a decent chance to leave fossils. This means that one can tentatively guess that life arose at least a few million years before when these fossils were formed.

    We keep pushing farther and farther back in time when life arose on Earth. This is important since it helps us figure out just how likely life is to arise in general. The argument goes that if life is easy to start then we should expect to see life arise soon after heavy bombardment of Earth begins. And that's what we do seem to be seeing. This suggests that life may be plentiful. There's a substantial very recent argument against this line of reasoning by David Spiegel and Edwin Turner http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-astrophysicists-logic-downplay-probability-extraterrestrial.html [physorg.com]. Spiegel and Turner argued that if it generally takes a lot of time to get intelligent life to develop then intelligent life will have an observer bias since it will only arise on the planets where life started very early. This means that seeing life early on in our history might be something which we should expect even if life arises really rarely.

    • And in a unrelated story, Leasiure World [lwmc.com] Celebrates "A Day At the Beach."
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22, 2011 @01:49PM (#37169822)

      Spiegel and Turner's argument based on observer bias leaves out other key necessary events leading to intelligence, most notably multicellularity and the emergence of large, complex (eukaryotic) cells. After the origin of life, it took at least 2 billion years to make this major leap in complexity to eukaryotes, and over 1 billion years after that until multicellular, developmentally complex (e.g., metazoan) organisms evolved. As these two necessary events are singular, unlikely, and highly contingent on specific existing physiologies and selective pressures (i.e., there was nothing stopping something like eukaryotes from emerging much, much earlier if the right endosymbioses happened), then the 4 billion years that have passed before the emergence of intelligence largely reflects the rarity of these events, and does nothing to inform us about the minimum necessary time for intelligence to emerge, or the abundance of life expected in the universe. Additionally, the role of mass extinctions in severely diminishing biodiversity and curtailing the largest, most successful groups of animals during each event also cause an over-estimation of necessary time to technological intelligence, with the observed time, even since multicellularity emerged, being largely a product of the frequency and intensity of these random events.

      Take home message: Evolution is both a mechanistic and historical science, and one has to take both kinds of processes into account to draw any general conclusions from the timing of events.

      IAAEBAPS (I am an evolutionary biologist and planetary scientist).

       

    • "...life had to be pretty common already..."

      How are you talking about our forefathers?
      We were the best yellow slime on the beach!
      Not like that red or green one.

  • 4.5 billion years ago... just sayin'. Heck, I don't even think there was liquid water yet. I am not a geologist.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I am not a geologist.

      Good thing.
    • by Tr3vin ( 1220548 ) on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:18PM (#37168820)
      The fossils were from a sedimentary formation that was most likely a beach. They date back to 3.4 billion years ago and there is evidence that large amounts of water existed as far back as 4.4 billion years.
      • The fossils were from a sedimentary formation that was most likely a beach. They date back to 3.4 billion years ago and there is evidence that large amounts of water existed as far back as 4.4 billion years.

        Does this suggest that beaches existed at least that old, and therefore, Jersey Shore is therefore explainable by evolution with its muscle bound, reptilian inhabitants?

        • No Jersey Shore proves that evolution does not necessarily favor intelligence but rather traits that enhance survivability. In this case, tanning and alcohol drinking requirements of New Jersey has weeded out the pasty and the lightweights.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      4.5 billion years ago, probably not. At least not for long, any water probably getting vaporized by gigantic collisions on a regular basis. But by 4.4 billion years ago, there is evidence for detrital (i.e. eroded on the surface and redeposited) zircon mineral grains in what are now highly metamorphosed sedimentary rocks. The original rocks did not survive unaltered from that period, but the recycled zircons did, implying there had to be some process to erode them from the rock in which they initially cr

      • I may be wrong, but it was my impression that cool early earth theory today has a more substantial body of evidence than hot early earth (in particular, clear signs of plate tectonics during the period) - so shouldn't it be considered a default theory these days?

  • Errata (Score:4, Informative)

    by vtcodger ( 957785 ) on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:12PM (#37168772)

    They are fossils OF a beach, not fossils ON a beach -- More specifically what appear to be fossil remains of microbes that lived in beach sand.

    • Maybe you meant they are fossils of an organism living IN a beach? I guess it was too small to be ON it anyhow.

    • More specifically what appear to be fossil remains of microbes that lived in beach sand.

      Like Jersey Shore?

      • I'm possibly the only living entity in North America who doesn't have the slightest idea what Jersey Shore is (other than a town in central Pennsylvania a few kilometers South of Williamsport.) I hope to keep it that way.

  • by mbone ( 558574 ) on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:17PM (#37168802)

    If Mars has a biology, it may involve sulfur a lot more than the Earth's does, so this is very interesting from the standpoint of seeding life between the two planets [slashdot.org].

  • ET was here billions of years ago and didn't bother cleaning up after his picnic. Or it could be his athletes foot fungus.

  • by The Great Pretender ( 975978 ) on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:27PM (#37168876)
    "Yet another indication of the lying liberal media trying to desecrate our young childrens minds with scientific theory". He then went on to submit emergency legislation to designate Australia as imaginary, all fossils (now and to be discovered) as fake and scientists as the devil incarnate. After this his poll ratings climb 5 points in South Carolina.
    • by prefec2 ( 875483 ) on Monday August 22, 2011 @12:55PM (#37169144)

      He cannot make Australia an imaginary island as his friend and propaganda minister Rupert Murdoch was born there. However, he could move to Mesopotamia and be closer to paradise. At least god made every thing just there 6000 years ago. Sulfur eating lifeforms are definitely from hell. Therefor the entrance to hell must be somewhere in Australia. Wouldn't that be a superb plot for a new Hollywood series?

      • Sulfur eating lifeforms are definitely from hell. Therefor the entrance to hell must be somewhere in Australia.

        Love it!

      • by Pope ( 17780 )

        Sulfur eating lifeforms are definitely from hell. Therefor the entrance to hell must be somewhere in Australia. Wouldn't that be a superb plot for a new Hollywood series?

        Buffy, the barbie slayer?

      • by hazydave ( 96747 )

        And I think Mr. Murdoch may have actually been that fossil in question...

      • by Anonymous Coward

        It is, we call it Brisbane

    • by khallow ( 566160 )
      We now know who the current scary Republican contender of the week is. Maybe you should use some of that brainpower to understand why people like Perry get elected to high positions, say like President of the US. It's not just "the electorate is dumb and hidebound", but also "the opposition is worse". The Republicans offer Perry while the Democrats currently can only offer Obama.
      • by Nadaka ( 224565 )

        How is Obama worse? He is a really good republican president. I can see why the liberals hate him.

        • by khallow ( 566160 )

          How is Obama worse? He is a really good republican president. I can see why the liberals hate him.

          I don't get this. It's like you don't know who Obama is, what he's done, what his beliefs are, who he appoints, or the political obstacles that, thankfully, have pummeled him into submission. Don't get me wrong. I don't oppose him merely because he's incompetent, liberal, arrogant and rude to the point of idiocy, or destructive to US interests, present and future. But primarily, I oppose Obama because he is one of the most dishonest presidents the US has ever had. I'd put him above Nixon since Obama has hid

        • oh for a mod point.

  • "Chemical analyses of the minerals near the cells suggest the microorganisms depended on sulfur for fuel"
    If we find them alive, move them to Athabasca oil fields in Canada - http://vimeo.com/6547387 [vimeo.com]

  • ...they got back on the cruise ship! Hey-oh!

  • by DarthVain ( 724186 ) on Monday August 22, 2011 @01:10PM (#37169344)

    Paul Hogan.

    G'day Mate!

  • ...Bob Dole retired to. I was wondering why I hadn't seen him in a while.
  • Rubert Murdoch was vacation AND he was from Australia, what is the big deal?

  • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Monday August 22, 2011 @04:55PM (#37172274)

    That they found stromatolites ? Previously thought to be the oldest fossils.. I remember seeing them on various Discovery/NatGeo shows (and probably the original Cosmos, and Attenborough documentaries.

  • I seem to remember that the tectonic plate in that region is about to begin a downward slope into the Pacific?

    Do we know if the plate where Australia resides moves any slower or faster than others?

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