Coffee Wards Off Cancer 286
Thorfinn.au writes "A new study indicates that heavy coffee drinking staves off deadly prostate cancer in men. Some 47,911 US men were surveyed over the period 1986 to 2008 for the research. During this time some 5,035 of them developed prostate cancer with 642 dying of it. According to analysis by investigating scientists, men who drank the most coffee (a fairly normal six-plus cups per day) had a 20 per cent lower risk of developing any kind of prostate cancer. If they did get prostate cancer, the java-swillers were much less likely to die from it than others: their risk of deadly prostate cancer was no less than 60 per cent lower than normal. Even less thirsty coffee drinkers who only put away one to three cups daily saw their chance of deadly prostate cancer fall by a useful 30 per cent."
Missing from the summary (Score:5, Informative)
According to the interview with one of the study's authors on NPR today, one of the very important factors is that decaf works as well. Which is to say, the measured benefit probably is not from caffeine.
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Ah, but decaf never tastes as good...
(delightedly wanders off to make some happy juice...)
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Does it? I thought caffeine caused the bitter flavor associated with coffee. I suppose one could argue that is desirable.
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While caffeine is bitter, it is not the major component of the bitter flavor in coffee, which actually comes from tannins. Tannins take longer to extract than other flavor compounds, so be sure that you do not steep your coffee for longer than six minutes, Most drip coffee makers take at least eight minutes to brew, guaranteeing a bad cup of coffee. I have found that pre-heating the water before putting it in an automatic drip coffee maker can reduce the time it takes to brew. I use an electric kettle, and
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What's up with that? There's no reason for it. There's so many kinds of coffee, from single origin, to exact roasting times, to flavored. And then there's decaf. Plain old decaf. I'm trying to cut down my caffeine intake, but it's hard.
Re:Missing from the summary (Score:5, Interesting)
One part of that change for me is....drastically cutting down caffeine...this mostly came from cokes and other soft drinks.
I read the headline and it said 6 or so cups a day of coffee are NORMAL?!?!?! Geez.....I'd be climbing the walls. Do people actually normally drink that much coffee a day?
Maybe it is me...I was not a coffee drinking till maybe the past 2-4 years. I like the New Orleans strong stuff...with chicory...and some times make some on Sunday mornings. It is strong and I like to cut it with heavy cream, and some booze (brandy, Kahlua, whatever's handy). But man..usually on the 2nd cup, I'm so wired that I can start to see my heart beat under my shirt....
I don't see how anyone could drink over 6 cups a day on average. I know I'm a bit sensitive to caffeine now that I've cut back a few years...but wow...
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Yeah, some people can drink it like water. I like my coffee without sugar, and in the morning I have it with milk, later on without anything added. I could go through 10 cups a day easy. I don't feel like the caffeine has any stimulating effects on me at all. If anything, it makes me sleepy early in the afternoon.
Re:Missing from the summary (Score:4, Informative)
You've developed a tolerance.
Not really a horrible thing it seems, caffeine isn't all that bad. But cut your intake off and you're gonna have some issues.
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I read the headline and it said 6 or so cups a day of coffee are NORMAL?!?!?! Geez.....I'd be climbing the walls. Do people actually normally drink that much coffee a day?
6 Cups a day is a little heavier than I usually do, especially in summer. Spread out over all waking hours, it isn't that much. A cup with breakfast, a cup mid-morning, a cup with lunch, a cup in the afternoon, a cup with dinner, perhaps a second with dessert. No, I usually stop after lunch, and switch to soda as the caffeine carrier
...of the summary; the abstract does say: (Score:2)
- from the linked-to abstract.
Re:...of the summary; the abstract does say: (Score:5, Funny)
This definitely works. My Director of Technology drinks her coffee like a gerbil at a water bottle, and she's never had prostate cancer!
Actual Research Paper and Conclusion (Score:5, Informative)
According to the interview with one of the study's authors on NPR today, one of the very important factors is that decaf works as well. Which is to say, the measured benefit probably is not from caffeine.
Indeed. Here's a PDF of the paper [wordpress.com] which has all the actual numbers. It also lists in their conclusions several possible investigation routes:
Coffee contains chlorogenic acids (CGAs), which inhibit glucose absorption in the intestine and may favorably alter levels of gut hormones, which affect insulin response (1). Quinides, the roasting products of CGAs, inhibit liver glucose production in experimental models (1). Coffee also contains lignans, phytoestrogens with potent antioxidant activity, which may have positive effects on glucose handling (37). In humans, coffee drinking has been cross- sectionally associated with lower glucose levels after oral glucose loads and better insulin sensitivity (38–40). A cross-sectional study in women found a negative correlation between coffee consumption and circulating C-peptide, a marker of insulin secretion (41). Insulin may promote tumor progression through the insulin and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) receptors in cancer cells. Insulin levels have been associated with a greater risk of cancer progression or mortality among men diagnosed with prostate cancer (9–11), even though insulin has been unassociated (12,13) or inversely associated (14) with overall incidence. Coffee is a major source of antioxidants and is estimated to provide half of total antioxidant intake in several populations (2,3). Coffee has been associated with improved markers of inflammation in cross-sectional studies and in a recent trial (4,42,43). Inflammation is hypothesized to play a role in the development of prostate cancer through the generation of proliferative inflammatory atrophy lesions (15). Various dietary antioxidants may reduce inflammation and have been associated with lower risk of advanced prostate cancer (44,45). Coffee drinking may be associated with increased sex hormone–binding globulin (SHBG) and total testosterone levels (5). One study in Greek men found a positive association with estradiol levels but not with SHBG or testosterone (6), whereas another found no association between coffee and sex hormones in young Greek men (7). Coffee has been consistently associated with higher SHBG levels in women (46–49). Sex hormones play a role in prostate cancer, though the relationships between circulating levels within normal ranges and risk have been difficult to elucidate. It has been hypothesized that although testosterone is necessary for the initial development of prostate cancer, it may limit progression of the disease (50,51). A pooled analysis of 18 prospective studies found an inverse association between SHBG levels and prostate cancer risk (51).
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According to the interview with one of the study's authors on NPR today, one of the very important factors is that decaf works as well. Which is to say, the measured benefit probably is not from caffeine.
Yeah... TFA says they adjust for "potential confounding by smoking, obesity, and other variables" ... but I wonder what some of those other variables and more importantly control groups are.
I'd be curious if it simply works with water... 6+ cups of coffee sounds awfully close to the 8 cups minimum daily recommended servings of water daily. I'd suspect the people at risk of developing prostate cancer simply don't drink enough, period.
(eww, there's a gross non-sequitur)
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Anyone who lives in the desert will tell you that thirst doesn't work very well as a self-regulating mechanism. By the time your body is telling you it's thirsty, you're already dehydrated. It's especially bad if you're hiking in the desert, because you're losing water so quickly.
Here in Arizona, we have to be very vigilant about drinking enough water throughout the day, even if we're just working in an office. I'll frequently feel a headache coming on if I don't.
However, you're right about the 8 glasses
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Damn, I was hoping to avoid drinking burnt dirt water for this benefit. Maybe they will make a pill or something.
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Anyhow, if that is true, I don't know what I would rather die from - butt cancer or heartburn after drinking 6 cups of coffee a day
Re:Missing from the summary (Score:4, Insightful)
Not logical exactly, but yeah, the decaf part was a surprise to me. If for no other reason than "What type of horrible person would even think to test decaf."
Wards off cancer? (Score:3, Insightful)
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speed of light is offset by frequent trips to the potty. /hamster bladder
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If you can move that fast you can just wet your pants and walk away before your britches get damp.
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Try making instant coffee in the microwave some time.
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Re:Wards off cancer? (Score:5, Informative)
Sometime in the last 10 years they finally gave up on the idea that coffee is bad for us.
That's not really how research works, even in nutrition. You get a result, you publish it if you have reason to think it's real. Researchers don't get together and decide they're going to publish results saying coffee good or coffee bad. For one thing, researchers LOVE to overturn previous models and results. You don't get attention or much funding for "We did a study and it showed exactly what everyone expected it would show." For another, conclusions should come from results and not vice versa. Some researchers have enough integrity to discard their theories and hypotheses when results disagree with what they think. Others just realize that if they get a result that proves them wrong, someone else will eventually, and it's better to prove yourself wrong first than someone else do it later.
The researchers here are undoubtedly not drawing any broad conclusions like "coffee is good for you," they're just saying it might prevent some forms of cancer. Any overarching conclusions like that are made by people who want the TL:DR version. Realistically, any chemical you put into your body that doesn't kill you right away is going to have good AND bad effects, and it's up to doctors and you yourself to weigh whether it's an overall good thing or bad thing. Coffee probably encourages other forms of cancer while preventing some forms and waking you up. No one has given up on the idea that coffee has some of those negative effects, just as no one was convinced coffee was entirely bad for you.
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I -am- a researcher (though not in nutrition) and thus could be guilty of being overly optimistic, but I do not see researchers of any field eagerly linin
Quick! Someone tell the Daily Mail! (Score:3)
http://dailymailoncology.tumblr.com/ [tumblr.com]
http://thedailymailoncologicalontologyproject.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com]
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they already reported this back in 2009 according to that Tumblr
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But when it was in the Daily Mail it was pseudoscientific nonsense fit only for troglodytes.
Now it's true.
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They've been told in 2009.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1235310/Men-wake-drink-coffee.html [dailymail.co.uk]
Coffee both cures and causes cancer (Score:2)
It was in the Daily Mail!
can't wait (Score:2)
This is unacceptable. (Score:3)
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Drugs are axiomatically evil(unless associated with rugged American individualism and/or cowboys).
What do you think cowboys drank on cattle drives and other long trips? Coffee
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Burn out time is too short.
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"We meant those other drugs. Those untaxed drugs. Those are the ones that are bad for you."
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And many non-users.
typical US colored water or real coffee? (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis [wikipedia.org]
Coffee alternative (Score:2)
I don't like coffee. I've tried it, hated it, and have no intention of "learning to like it".
Fortunately there's another well-established way of warding off prostate cancer, which I enjoy quite a bit.
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Fortunately there's another well-established way of warding off prostate cancer, which I enjoy quite a bit.
The preparation is a little more of a chore though, no?
Plants are your friend (Score:2)
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No, not everything is good: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/ [informatio...utiful.net]
Great news (Score:2)
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. (Score:2)
Tea? More Fluids in General? (Score:2)
Disappointing that they didn't track hot tea drinkers as well. It would be interesting to know if this was associated with generally being better hydrated, or something specific to coffee. // just switched to green tea from coffee
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As caffeine is a diuretic, coffee does not help with hydration.
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Tea would be a pretty poor control, however; when testing a biochemical cocktail for health effects, when you want a control tha
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I'd assume this was a survey and data mining exercise, that they didn't assign people randomly into groups and tell them to drink specific amounts of coffee. Since the abstract doesn't mention it they may not have asked people if they drink tea or not, so the tea drinkers would be distributed among every group (some drinking coffee in different amounts as well, some drinking no coffee). It would have been interesting to see that information mined separately. I don't see how it would have muddied the wate
Starbucks (Score:2)
Also helps against breast cancer (Score:2)
Linus Torvalds to Live Forever (Score:2)
Quoting Linus Torvalds:
"So every time I see some piece of medical research saying that caffeine is good for you, I high-five myself. Because I'm going to live forever."
http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2010/08/13744-supplied.html [blogspot.com]
Decaf works too! (Score:2)
Heard about this on NPR this morning, and the researcher said there was no difference between caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee in the study. Both produced the same effect.
So if you don't like the stimulant-ness of coffee, drink decaf for the same protective effect.
Ha! I'm never going to die! (Score:2)
I'm never going to sleep, either.
Coffee Lobby (Score:3)
Is it just me or does there seem to be a serious coffee lobby / PR organization at work here? No exaggeration, every three months for the last couple decades I've seen some story about the benefits of coffee on health. It is clearly legal because it is a workers' drug. It keeps people focused during work, while leaving them slightly frazzled afterwards so that they have no energy for anything else.
Did anyone read the articles on this? The benefit was found for those who drank SIX cups or more a day. Jumping off a tall building also reduces prostate cancer - by 100%.
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Where are the studies about drinking tea, ...?
Try asking google. Thus, the terms "+tea +cancer +correlation" turn up around 1.25 million hits right now. (You need the '+'s because all three words are just too common and give many millions of hits.) You'll find that lots of correlations have turned up, there is a similar connection as in the current story, but the statistical results alone are merely suggestive and not conclusive.
One recent story reported that drinking very hot tea is associated with an increased risk of esophageal cancer. In thi
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Re:10% contract prostate cancer? (Score:5, Informative)
Nearly all men will get prostate cancer if they live long enough. It's slow growing and asymptomatic, so it might not even be the worst health problem grandpa has.
Re:10% contract prostate cancer? (Score:5, Informative)
You don't want otherwise reasonably healthy 65 year olds dying of metastatic cancer; but you also don't want to have somebody spend a decade dribbling urine in order to remove a tumor that wasn't even going to be noticable outside of a diagnostic setting until a few years after the pneumonia got them anyway...
Re:10% contract prostate cancer? (Score:5, Interesting)
Not only does coffee help prevent prostate cancer, but so does regular masturbation too. A study came out in 2003, and then resurfaced in 2008 and 2010 that men who masturbate regularly can help reduce the risk of prostate cancer by as much as 40%.
So while nearly all men will get prostate cancer if they live long enough, I sure as hell won't!
Starbucks and Kleenex: the path to a long and happy life.
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So if I masturbate 3 times a day and drink 24 cups of coffee daily I have a 100% chance of never getting prostate cancer?
Masturbation is better than sex? (Score:2)
The way this is phrased looks like an incomplete story. Why wouldn't sex work just as well as masturbation? What plausible reason would there be that wanking your doodle by hand works better than wanking it in a soft, pleasant vagina?
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Is it only masturbation or do sex and masturbation work equally well?
You make it sound like the average /. reader has a choice.
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No. It's a 20 year study. 17% of men get prostate cancer over their lifetimes. If the study population were 50+ at the start that seems low. if the study population were under 30 at the start that that seems really high and I suspect their population consisted of Chernobyl residents...
Re:10% contract prostate cancer? (Score:5, Informative)
Yes. An equal number of men die every year from prostate cancer as women from breast cancer, yet breast cancer receives an overwhelming majority of the press, funding, and research. Look up the article "Politics behind the pink." I guess it's because we all love tatas but the prostate just isn't very sexy. Kind of sad, really..
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No one wants to wear a cute drawing of a prostate t-shirt?
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meh. Men die of prostate cancer when they are in their 60s and 70s. Women get hit with breast cancer as early as their 20s. [plosone.org]
From a public health perspective, I think it's more important that we treat young women because we can add 40+ productive years to their life. For prostate cancer, you're typically adding 5-10 years to the lives of people who are on the edge of retirement. It's a worthy goal, but it's not where I would concentrate scarce resources.
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I guess it's because we all love tatas but the prostate just isn't very sexy
Nope, it's because we think "Men last!" is a noble sentiment, although it's usually expressed in a more obfuscated but logically equivalent manner.
Men die of all causes at younger ages than women. Men are the majority victims in all forms of violent crime except (possibly) rape, where male victims are about 10% of the total, although under-reporting is such a huge problem no one really knows (or much cares) what the real number is. Men--especially young men--commit suicide up to five times as frequently a
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I don't want to know how you know about #5.
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Yes, if you ignore the decaf drinkers were the same as the normal coffee drinkers and hence the abstract finishes with: "The association appears to be related to non-caffeine components of coffee."
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One route by which a false causation could occur here is through one of the most obvious effects of caffeine - its a diuretic. The summary could have just as easily said "Pissing often helps prevent prostate cancer"
The study does point out that decaf coffee had the same effect as regular, so it's not the caffeine, or any effect of the caffeine, that does this.
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But if that is the case, it's still causation; coffee does reduce the chances of prostate cancer, even if any other liquid mainly composed of water does the same. Causation doesn't mean it's the only cause.
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Re:Once again for the cheap seats (Score:4, Insightful)
It's painful everytime a horrible summary like this makes it through.
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But causation does imply corrrelation. Anyhow - don't dismiss this work because of the design. It provides a clue to something that might have great bearing on a rather nasty condition. With this epidemiological data in hand, scientists can now look at devising better designed more expensive research that will determine the relationship, if any, such as the one you propose.
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Oh look, someone else who knows the snappy phrase, but doesn't understand it. Actually, that subject sounds familiar... you're the one who always posts this same crap, aren't you?
There are three possibilities - coffee reduces prostate cancer risk, reduced prostate cancer risk increases coffee consumption or a third factor increases coffee consumption and decreases prostate cancer risk. While the third one is possible, the first is much more likely, and even the summary says "indicates."
Your complaint does
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And no where in the summary, article or paper (OK, I didn't read the paper, but I seriously doubt it would make such a ridiculous claim) is it said that "Drinking coffee prevents cancer". The title kinda does if you read it that way, but a three word catchy title is hardly the "meat" of anything. All that's being claimed is a significant statistical correlation between drinking coffee and a reduced risk for this particular type of cancer.
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Yes, I'm sure a Doctor of Science at the Harvard School of Medicine, publishing in the Journal of the Nancer Cancer Institute, has never taken a Stats 101 class, let alone attended even the first day of said class...
Re:Damn!!! (Score:5, Funny)
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No, it just got up and went for a 17 mile run.
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That's a myth; caffeine in the quantities you ingest it by drinking coffee, has very little [nytimes.com] diuretic effect at all.
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Well what the hell is it in the stuff that sends me running to the bathroom every half hour then? And stinking of coffee to boot.
Re:Diuretic (Score:5, Interesting)
Maybe that you are drinking a large amount of fluid has something to do with it?
Drink the same amount of water in the same time period... Lookie same effect.
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Not to mention that they say decaf works too, so it could hardly be attributed to the caffeine.
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In all likelihood, drinking coffee is probably just correlated to working or living conditions that don't involve as much exposure to carcinogenic substances.
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FTA:
coffee may be associated with a reduced risk of prostate cancer.
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We observed a strong inverse association between coffee consumption and risk of lethal prostate cancer.
Show me biochemical interactions and a pathway of downregulation of metastatic prostate cancer cells and I'll buy your title.
That being said, I'm going to go have a couple cups of joe.
It took you 8 minutes to issue that "correction", AC. I have to wonder if slower "correlation is not causation" posting is correlated with time of day.
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Okay, seriously, i can't tell if the original statement wa
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I can't stand Starbucks' insipid brand after spending the last couple of years going to a local place where the coffee actually tastes like coffee (And almost never like urine.)
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I'd think 6 cups a day is pretty average for many coffee drinkers, not just Americans. I'm in the UK, and certainly in my workplace we have a round of coffee/tea about once an hour, so 6 mugs of coffee a day is pretty typical. There's nothing wrong with using it as a replacement for water, it does the job just fine, and tastes better.
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That doesn't mean we don't enjoy the finer coffees (I will obsess over a French-pressed dark roast Sumatran), it just me
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I drink clean, fresh water to survive.
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Agreed; this [flickr.com] is a proper cup of coffee.
In fact, there's a reason why in Europe the Americano [wikipedia.org] is a diluted expresso cup.
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