17-Year-Old Wins Intel's $100K Science Prize 271
autospa writes "A California teenager who cracked a complex mathematical equation has been awarded the Intel Science Talent Search's $100,000 first-place prize. Evan O'Dorney, 17, won the prize for 'his mathematical project in which he compared two ways to estimate the square root of an integer. [He] discovered precisely when the faster way would work,' Intel announced Wednesday."
Breaking Stereotypes (Score:5, Funny)
This 17 year-old is breaking age stereotypes. I applaud that someone this old is still contributing to the field of mathematics. Kudos you old man!
(insert obligatory XKCD here)
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The poor guy is homeschooled!
Whatever the advantages of good supervision in the home are, they are outweighed by the lack of day long interaction with others.
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It could be argued that not being surrounded by under-supervised near-sociopaths until such an age as to not be a near-sociopath yourself isn't a bad thing. A number of famous people in many walks of life were home-schooled, including the likes of Thomas Edison. Here's a link [homeschoolacademy.com] of famous homeschooled people you might recognize. Granted, it's from a site promoting home schooling, but it still gives you plenty of names to google for further verification.
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One of my roommates in college was home schooled. He was also one of the smartest people I met in college, though I can't say if that was from natural ability or his insane study habits. He was also very self-disciplined and I still am envious of his self control. He was a little socially awkward, but not much more than any other geek (he was after all a physics major, I was computer science)
Granted he is only one example, but when you look at the state of public education, its no wonder so many people choo
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oh, God, teacher logic.
they have to pull the door off rather than install a big, fucking loud smoke detector that will make everyone point and laugh and the smoker lurch out of there with their tail between their legs.
they could even put, i don't know, a little cage around the smoke detector so the kiddies couldn't disable it? or place it out of safe reach?
nah, teachers don't think like that.
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It could be argued that not being surrounded by under-supervised near-sociopaths until such an age as to not be a near-sociopath yourself isn't a bad thing.
This assumes that your parents aren't near-sociopaths themselves; an unfounded and unlikely assumption.
Re:Breaking Stereotypes (Score:5, Interesting)
Shrewd business man? Yes. Ambitious? Skilled inventor and scientist? Yes. Hardworking? Yes ... but also a sociopath nonetheless.
Re:Breaking Stereotypes (Score:5, Insightful)
please, no URL shorteners. this isn't twitter, and i don't know if you're hiding a goatse behind that.
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Well, a lot of famous people WERE weird in some way or another. Average people tend to lead average and balanced lives, which quite frankly limits your potential to be extreme in something and become famous for it. Would Stephen Hawking be the famous scientist if he wasn't a cripple, just as bright but out partying with the girls and worked part time in a store to get money for a car? Probably not. Or look at someone like Perelman, brilliant mathematician, turned down the Fields medal, turned down 1 million
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Would he be famous? Who knows.. But he got his B.A. in natural sciences, with a scholarship, at age 20.. and was diagnosed at age 21.
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I'm not really fan of homeschooling, although I have no problem with people who want to do it. Americans place far too much importance on socializing, especially at the expense of academic excellence. I guarantee you the top academic performers aren't wasting their time interacting with classmates.
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Sorry but what are these 'friends'?
The poor guy is homeschooled!
Whatever the advantages of good supervision in the home are, they are outweighed by the lack of day long interaction with others.
Public school for very bright kids often prevents them from excelling. Public schools in the US (particularly after the no-child-left-behind nonsense) teach to the lowest common denominator and classes only progress at the pace of the slowest kid in the room. Whereas homeschooling and Charter type schools are far more flexible in focusing on a particular child's needs and abilities. Besides, there is nothing saying a homeschooled kid can't have an active social life and develop good social skills.
My kid
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He is also from Boston and likes to drink beer and get into fights with his friends. The boy is "wicked smart".
Unfortunately, he was all outta dem Apples.
Re:Breaking Stereotypes (Score:5, Informative)
http://xkcd.com/447/ [xkcd.com]
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There's also a very similar SMBC cartoon [smbc-comics.com] (although a little later than the XKCD one).
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OMG, Mr. Saddo or what?
nice blog man. i'm totally going to buy all your merch and f5 you every monday, wednesday and friday.
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It's okay, little guy, not everyone can be a success.
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Sure! I'm not Randall Monroe either. I'm not a NASA scientist, my one shot at starting a business didn't do so well, and I can't draw for shit, so I guess we're in the same boat. Except that I think XKCD is funny and you don't.
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I can't draw for shit
Neither can Randall Munroe, but that didn't stop him.
Also won national spelling bee (Score:5, Informative)
He won the 2007 Scripps National Spelling Bee also.
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Are we looking at a serial competition-enterer?
Reminds me of the holder of the Guinness World Record for attention-whoring, Ashrita Furman [wikipedia.org].
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If he's smart enough to win two of these things, his time is almost certainly better spent doing something other than dealing with competitions that only pay $100K for winning. Like playing chess with the WOPR.
Haters gonna hate (Score:4, Insightful)
There is a whole lot of hate in the above comments. Especially within a website that values science, math, and technology, why should he be shunned? We need more people who are willing to make the necessary sacrifices (e.g. social, monetary, etc) to devote all of their energy toward progressing humanity forward.
Good for him. Keep it up. Go invent something even better. And next time, bring some people along with you so even more people can see the value in science and the scientific process. It's a shame that society doesn't value these walks of life when they govern everything we do in the modern world.
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Re:Haters gonna hate (Score:5, Insightful)
Why not? He accomplished something in the field of mathematics.
If that isn't "news for nerds", then I don't know what is -- it's far more interesting than hearing that Taco visited Lucasfilm but can't tell us anything about it other than a showing picture of him in front of a Yoda statue.
I think the problem is us pseudo-nerds. (Score:2)
Yeah, I once was a nerd.
But then life happened.
Now, I'm not. In fact, I can't even understand the abstract.
Well, maybe I could if I tried hard enough. But right now, I can't.
Maybe there are others like me out there, who still think we can hang out at slashdot, and.... ... oh darn.... [MickLinux, still not ready for time.com, heads to CNN.com to see Clark Howard. Keeping razorblades sharp is about as nerdy as he can handle anymore]
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While I agree that the quality of the stories posted to Slashdot is subjective, so is the definition of news for nerds. Why should nerds not be interested in politics, entertainment, economics, or what have you as it relates to them, their hobbies, their jobs, etc? If Slashdot only covered new concepts in mathematics and science, it wouldn't be any more interesting than reading over the abstracts of your favorite journals. Slashdot give us a bit more breadth than our journals do.
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...doesn't exactly merit a ./ nod.
Indeed, what an insult it is to we Slashdotters, Titans of Knowledge, Defenders of Pedantry, Keepers of the Sacred Nerd Ways to blemish our dear, pure website with the presences of such an intellectual peon. Surely we, the Leaders of the Free World of Intelligent Discourse deserve to not be distracted by such petty intellectual achievements.
Now we have an entire thread where we will have to discuss the merits of recognizing intelligence in youth, rather than addressing more important public concerns, l
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The hate is directed at the entry at a fundamental level. He deserves a pat on the back, but "teenager wins competition for teenagers" doesn't exactly merit a ./ nod.
And the hundreds of stories about facebook do?
Why are you on this site?
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I would have interpreted any criticism as jealousy.
What a great attitude to have! Interpreting any criticism, regardless of its content, as jealousy, is an absolute genius idea and not at all arrogant!
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How is viewing all criticism as jealousy on the part of the critic, regardless of the criticism made, 100% correct? If a chef makes bad food and a customer criticizes him for it (while also giving reasons for criticizing him), why would he be jealous that the chef made bad food? As I said, take the person's argument into account, not just the fact that they are criticizing you. Dismissing all critics as "jealous" only proves how closed-minded, arrogant, and illogical you are.
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No no, we love him... [youtube.com]
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With you on this one!
These awards may seem arbitrary to some, but they are necessary - Recognition is a powerful motivator!
If our world is managed by such intellectuals... just imagine the possibilities! A world that shifts it's ideology from mass consumerism (with detriment), to one of efficient pragmatism, solving problems hands-on and directly!
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Don Campbell kind of created a similar vision, he called it the experimenting society. Check it out.
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it may be more economically efficient (and thus advance humanity further) to celebrate geniuses of this sort. we are getting to the point where the aggregate value of fairly, but not very, intelligent people is diminishing quickly. the next labor movement might be of rank-and-file scientists and engineers.
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that also plays a part, but keep in mind that not everyone gets a university education in science or engineering. also, the merely moderately above-average are subject to market pressures almost as much as the average.
admittedly, there is a sort of cultural decay (in the US at least) where hard work appears to be optional and thus awful; real money is perceived to come out of ruthlessness coupled with a mystical (i mean that in the worst possible way) "cleverness". now, if real success hinges on this mystic
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Yet historically you will find more artists (creative) among academics then among even the most skilled engineers.
Judging by his work I would place the person of the story in the class of creative academics.
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i'm not sure i follow your first two sentences which appear contradictory to me. are you saying that today, as opposed to historically, the ratio of "artists" differs? if so could you expound a bit? are there more artists in academia, or less outside, or what?
i agree as far as the person in the story, although time only will tell... i've known a few uber-achieving technical mathematicians (probably more than i should), and imho it mostly makes you a _much better_ academic, _if_ you become one. it's definite
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yes, absolutely. more accurate would have been for me to say "mystical belief in `cleverness'."
very nice SMBC, right on the money; thanks. then again there are very few "grasshoppers" relative to the ants, which is easy to forget.
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I think he just hasn't been exposed to much math and science above a high school (and sometimes undergrad) level, which *shock, horror, gasp* is to be expected of a high schooler, even one who's done some cool work and has the potential to do some really cool work in the field. I don't see the problem with saying celebrating achievements in science or math, especially considering that we readily celebrate achievements in the arts.
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I really don't get your point at all: in what way does the quote show him to be mathematically naive? His statement is perfectly correct and it is a good description of why mathematical knowledge advances monotonically. There is no purer demonstration of the love of learning for the sake of it than the pursuit of maths (applying for the prize is obviously an entirely different issue). A system of logic built from the ground up for no other reason that it can be done, it reveals beauty and elegance, and one
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in what way does the quote show him to be mathematically naive?
Let's break it down:
"Math is neat: A statement is either true or false,” O’Dorney says.
Depending on the axiom system preceding it. Or is undecidable. Or may simply be badly formed.
“In science, any theory can be overturned by experiment because science is founded on experiment.
Is it? Historically, it certainly hasn't been: the foundations of science are in mathematics and philosophical induction aka expecting the expected. Kids today are seduced by Popper's ramblings on falsifiability (and much else) and forget the previous 3 millennia of science.
But in math, there are theorems that can never be overturned because they have been proved with logic.”
Within a particular axiom system. Which science also uses to derive its theorems - it's just that science deprecates those s
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"I don't really see much value in celebrating geniuses of this sort - clearly mentally (or physically) gifted winners of prize X, Y, Z. It's like celebrating a particular race - you were born that way"
No it's not the same. By far, far range.
If you are born, say, green, then what did you do? Nothing.
If you are born intellectually gifted, then what did you do? Nothing.
BUT
If you are born intellectually gifted AND MAKE GOOD USE of that gift by, say, winning a 100K math price then that's something to celebrat
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Hey, I know that guy! (Score:5, Interesting)
My son competed in the national "Who Wants to be a Mathematician" competition for high school students in New Orleans last January. (He was one of ten contestants, so we were proud.) Evan O'Dorney was the defending champion, and he won the event pretty handily. (My son came within one question (!) of competing against him in the final round, btw.)
I spoke briefly with Evan at the competition. Definitely a strange personality -- Asperger's or high-functioning autistic or something. He seemed pretty nice, though, and his explanations of how he got his answers were very clear and concise. Glad to see he's making a name for himself.
I believe he also won the national spelling bee when he was, like, ten or something.
Re:Hey, I know that guy! (Score:4, Interesting)
for some reason that story reminded me of this quote from Good Will Hunting.
Sean: Hey, Gerry, In the 1960s there was a young man that graduated from the University of Michigan. Did some brilliant work in mathematics. Specifically bounded harmonic functions. Then he went on to Berkeley. He was assistant professor. Showed amazing potential. Then he moved to Montana, and blew the competition away.
Lambeau: Yeah, so who was he?
Sean: Ted Kaczynski.
I hope he does well.
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I hope he does well.
And I hope that he does good, too.
A more reliable source perhaps? (Score:4, Informative)
At 17, Danville's Evan O'Dorney already has won the National Spelling Bee and a gold medal at an international math Olympiad, meeting two presidents along the way. On Tuesday, he claimed the triple-crown: the coveted Intel Science Talent Search's $100,000 top prize.
The work? (Score:2)
How about a link to the proof or the project? That's the part that interests the inner geek in me.
What new marvel will he perform next? (Score:2)
So where is the Paper? (Score:3, Insightful)
When i try to read more than the abstract, they want some kind of login.
Please next time spare us the teasing and ignore news without content.
news for nerd groupies (Score:2)
It's news for nerds when someone discovers a new math theorem and you click on the preprint.
It's news for nerd groupies when the preprint is hard to find or only exists behind a paywall.
No preprint == no story.
Be very careful dude! (Score:5, Funny)
You're living at home, minding your own business and playing lots of computer games - then you go and solve some really hard math puzzle. Next thing you know, you're billions of light years from earth on a broken down starship, with no way to get home and lots of people trying to kill you! It's not worth it...
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You mean like in one of those scenes, where people start hacking in some equations into their computer, and suddenly a "worm hole" open next to them (without any hardware reconfiguration)? ...tried it, never works...
I can say, from experience, that you're doing it wrong.
On the plus side, you don't need a keyboard in here...
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I'm showing my age - I thought "Last Starfighter" first.
So did I.
the 3rd way is always the fastest estimate (Score:2)
int EstimateSquareRoot(int val) { return 1;}
Oh, you wanted a good estimate. nevermind.
Calculus (Score:2)
He's home schooled and studied Calculus at UC Berkeley when he was around 13.
Explaing what he did in more detail. (Score:4, Informative)
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Ok. Going off of the description http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/4/3/5/0/2/p435027_index.html [allacademic.com] TFA and the summary are somewhat inaccurate. He wasn't calculating the speed of different methods. Rather, he took two well known methods of approximating a square root, both of which when starting with a rational number give you a sequence of rational numbers which converge to the square root, and he gave a close to complete description of when the two sequences share infinitely many terms. This doesn't have any obvious algorithm application but it is very nice number theory.
Basically, day one in Numerical Analysis at the University level.
The equation itself? (Score:2)
Where is the actual equation itself? I'd like to see the problems these kids are solving..
Really awkward interview... (Score:2)
Re:That must have been _hard_! (Score:4, Informative)
You're an idiot if you think that's what he actually won for. Here's an abstract of his work: http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/4/3/5/0/2/p435027_index.html
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Sorry. I'm just really noticing lately the how stereotypical the kneejerk negative replies that we see here.
Here are the basic templates they seem to follow thus far:
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You forgot one: I don't understand this, so it must suck.
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MichaelKristopeit = very small penis.
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Um, a person who didn't bother to read the work critiquing the work is a troll. Get over yourself.
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Yes, and Evan proved a method for deciding when to use which method to decrease the amount of time a computer has to spend doing a square root.
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Ok, since you want to deride his contribution to mathematics, where is your math degree? What exceptional things did you do before becoming an adult. If you can't best him, then don't slam him.
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just read his posts back with Daffy Duck's voice in your head.
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I'm starting to think you're just a bot that posts the same thing every time someone replies to one of your posts
Anyone remember when Slashdot used to be mainly full of computer scientists? His post construction uses the same algorithms as Eliza, with some trivial tweaks. Read more than a couple of threads containing posts by him, and it becomes obvious. Hmm, I wonder what happens if you do this...
Michael Kristopeit is beautiful.
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the truth = troll.
Who let Charlie Sheen in here?
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Very nice. Vatican Assassin Warlocks!
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Way off topic, and I could be feeding trolls, but I just can't help it.
Michael Kristopeit, number 401 or 269 or enter some set of numbers, is always doing this negative comment, slashdot = stagnant crap. But yet, this guy has a great number of usernames. Seriously?!? Just go somewhere else. In case you didn't notice, nobody likes you.
"slashdot = stagnated" = Michael Kristopeit has nothing better to do.
Now for on topic. I love to hear about genius kids. One day this kid could be doing a lot of good for man-k
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I assumed it was a frat house of trolls or something.
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Oh, no Charlie! We're not afraid of you, Charlie! We just want you to come to Candy Mountain with us, it'll be an adventure! Yeah, Charlie, Candy Mountain. It's a land of sweets and joy...and joyness.
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Look Charlie! It's a magical liopleurodon, it's going to be our guide to Candy Mountain!
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Candy Mountain is just over this bridge, Charlie! This magical bridge of hope and wonder. We're on a bridge, Charlie!
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Go inside the Candy Mountain cave, Charlie. Yeah, Charlie, go inside the cave. Magical wonders that will behold when you enter.
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write that bot yourself?
it's not too bad at picking names and google hitting pseudonyms.
sucks at making sense though.
still, i'm sure Intel's just waiting for the real MK to step forward so it can present it's $1.2mil troll-bot prize to you.
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Just how much do you think $100K is?
Sure, it will likely go a long way to paying for his education, which means he won't be paying for that for the rest of his life.
But, really, $100K doesn't make you 'set for life'. It gives him a bit of a leg up, and having won the award it likely increases his chances of getting into a good school
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