Sit Longer, Die Sooner 341
mcgrew writes "Bad news for most of us here — The Chicago Tribune is reporting that even if you get plenty of exercize, sitting down all day reduces your lifespan. From the article: 'Even after adjusting for body mass index (BMI) and smoking, the researchers found that women who sit more than 6 hours a day were 37 percent more likely to die than those who sit less than 3 hours; for men, long-sitters were 17 percent more likely to die.
People who exercise regularly had a lower risk, but still significant, risk of dying. Those who sat a lot and moved less than three and a half hours per day are the most likely to die early: researchers found a 94 percent increased risk for women and 48 percent increase for men, they announced recently in the American Journal of Epidemiology.'"
Don't sit down = Immortality (Score:5, Insightful)
the researchers found that women who sit more than 6 hours a day were 37 percent more likely to die than those who sit less than 3 hours; for men, long-sitters were 17 percent more likely to die
You know... I'm pretty sure everyone is 100% likely to die...
Re:Don't sit down = Immortality (Score:5, Informative)
the researchers found that women who sit more than 6 hours a day were 37 percent more likely to die than those who sit less than 3 hours; for men, long-sitters were 17 percent more likely to die
You know... I'm pretty sure everyone is 100% likely to die...
Unless you figure out how to exersize. It might be related to exercise, I cannot tell.
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Well, when in doubt, (and to lazy to look it up) that way you get a 50/50 chance.
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Pot calling the kettle black ?
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Although English is not mi mother tongue, that is definitely a mistake I won't consciously make. On my defense, I can only say: "finger error".
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Although English is not mi mother tongue
You don't say.
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I must read it before submiting
I must read it before submiting
I mast read it before submiting.. darn!
Re:Don't sit down = Immortality (Score:4, Funny)
Hey, at least they didn't say exorcise-I'd hate to have to do that on a regular basis.
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Hey, at least they didn't say exorcise-I'd hate to have to do that on a regular basis.
You hate it? How do you think the ghosts feel. You're dead, you got nothing better to do than sit around some old house, looking at pictures of someone else's family, and finally you just say
Screw it! I'm bored as hell, so I'm just going to move that figurine, right there. Haha, that'll mess with 'em.
Oh, they moved it back. Man, I miss my old pony...and being alive. I think the thing I miss most about life is talking to people without them freaking out. They say "oh how I miss uncle Jacob", but all it takes is a little "I miss you too", and suddenly it's all "get a priest this", and "go back to hell that". Why can't I have a cool family that just smokes pot and breaks out the Ouija board. Sure, I can't get a contact buzz, but the pot makes it so much easier to mess with them. I don't even have to move their keys, I just have to wait for them to forget where they left them.
Then some superstitious old perv comes in, starts splashing water everywhere, and suddenly you're flying back to hell. It's not entirely fair.
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No, you still die. Everybody dies.
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But some of us plan on coming back: http://www.alcor.org/ [alcor.org]
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Re:Don't sit down = Immortality (Score:5, Funny)
I have no life -- therefor, I cannot die.
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Not me. Thanks to denial, I'm immortal.
You'll need more exorcise than exercise...
Hmm.. stats don't lie (Score:5, Funny)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#Number_of_humans_who_have_ever_lived [wikipedia.org]
Estimates of "the total number of people who have ever lived" published in the 2000s range approximately from 100 to 115 billion (1 E11).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population [wikipedia.org]
The world population is the population of humans on the planet Earth. In 2009, the United Nations estimated the population to reach 7,000,000,000 in 2011;[1] current estimates by the United States Census Bureau put the population at 6,864,700,000.[2]
Math
7/100 or 7/115
it's really only an 93-94% mortality rate so far.. who knows what tomorrow will bring
I'm currently beating the odds......
6 billion counterexamples (Score:2)
Well, not everyone has died yet, you know...
I, for one, hope that immortality will be one of medical science's accomplishments during my lifetime.
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Immortality is a physics problem. Doctors may be able to prolong life, but I doubt they will solve the universes inevitable end (big crunch, heat death, proton decay, or whatever). I am still pretty confident that everyone has to die.
Re:6 billion counterexamples (Score:4, Interesting)
The simpler definitions for life must include crystal growth and possibly fire. The more complicated ones, which exclude what we'd consider "chemical" or "mechanical", don't exclude botnets and some internet-spreading malware. Under some definitions, warez can be considered a parasitic organism, and any programmable computer as a form of host to all sorts of "life forms".
Now add the blurry definitions for "consciousness" and what "being self-aware" means, along with the debate over whether or not we have free will on any level, and you could say that we are both dead and alive at the same time, and/or that our property of "being alive" flickers on and off.
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You know... I'm pretty sure everyone is 100% likely to die...
That's no reason to take it sitting down. (Ba-dum-tssss [instantrimshot.nl])
Re:Don't sit down = Immortality (Score:5, Funny)
Immortality, Hmmph!
I won't stand for it!
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the researchers found that women who sit more than 6 hours a day were 37 percent more likely to die than those who sit less than 3 hours; for men, long-sitters were 17 percent more likely to die
You know... I'm pretty sure everyone is 100% likely to die...
It's probably a quote or a rephrasing from the paper. In that case "during the period of the study" is implied.
Re:Don't sit down = Immortality (Score:5, Funny)
It's pretty obvious that:
Re:Don't sit down = Immortality (Score:5, Funny)
Well, as James Brown said, "It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." Also, something about some kind of Sex Machine. I think this creed could be adapted to this era of Aeron chairs and teledildonics somehow.
Re:Don't sit down = Immortality (Score:5, Funny)
the researchers found that women who sit more than 6 hours a day were 37 percent more likely to die than those who sit less than 3 hours; for men, long-sitters were 17 percent more likely to die
You know... I'm pretty sure everyone is 100% likely to die...
Speak for yourself. My life insurance agent promised me that I will never see a penny of that money.
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I don't care if this is slashdot and you haven't taken a bath in longer than RMS, you still need to take a dump at some point. Technically, you probably could do it standing up, I guess it "depends" ...
Never been to a real wake, have you? They'll be standing there, beer in hand, long after everyone else has drunk themselves under the table.
Eh (Score:2)
"Exersize"? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:"Exersize"? (Score:5, Funny)
"I think "exersize" is what you call someone who doesn't exercise. :)"
SuperSize...a minor savings that induces you to eat more.
GiantSize...Fuck the cost, I'm hungry.
ExerSize...So big, lifting it burns calories.
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The new McDonald's Double Quarter-Tonner with Cheese.
Re:"Exersize"? (Score:5, Funny)
I was searching the comments to see if someone has already commented on exercizzzze... LOL
Thanks for the update, I was just wondering what you were doing.
Another brick in the wall... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Another brick in the wall... (Score:5, Funny)
What you need is an excuse to go outside and stroll around at regular intervals. Like smoking.
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insightful
Re:Another brick in the wall... (Score:4, Funny)
What you need is an excuse to go outside and stroll around at regular intervals. Like smoking.
The always relevant IT Crowd [youtube.com]: "You cannot smoke here, they are moving us to a new smoking area."
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I know - like what exactly are they trying to say? Don't sit? Theres far more risk in driving your car, walking across the street, drinking, smoking...
I mean, Aging is mostly caused by breathing Oxygen! I mean, you'll live longer if you breath, but it will increase your risk of dieing.
I'd like to see how long someone could survive if they were never allowed to sit. You can't spell guilty conscience without science!
Re:Another brick in the wall... (Score:5, Funny)
I mean, Aging is mostly caused by breathing Oxygen!
Definitely. If you stop breathing for long enough, you'll stop aging.
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Re:Another brick in the wall... (Score:5, Informative)
The FA is a report of a study.
The excersize at your desk recommendations are simply the result of a journalist googling for a couple of minutes to pad out the article.
There is no proof in the study that this would help at all.
It might for example be an effect due to cranial blood pressure being lower when standing, leading to reduced strokes.
It might be small clots forming in the legs during prolonged sitting, and this impacting health.
It might be that the wheel bearings on office chairs emit a really toxic vapour.
Or even the real effect is lying down for too long, and people that lie longer tend to sit longer.
Or a combination of all of these factors.
This sort of statistical study is almost useless taken alone.
You might reduce this effect with blood pressure drugs, better seat design, changing lubricant, or getting out of bed.
It seems logical that the excersizes listed would help - but absenting another large study - it's hard to prove.
To die? But not sooner? (Score:5, Funny)
the researchers found that women who sit more than 6 hours a day were 37 percent more likely to die than those who sit less than 3 hours; for men, long-sitters were 17 percent more likely to die
Wow. There is ANY percentage of people that are not likely to die?
I shall never sit again!
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Wow. There is ANY percentage of people that are not likely to die?
I shall never sit again!
A highlander [wikipedia.org] ? But since there can be only one it's probably well within the error bars. Now that I think of it I didn't see him do much sitting either.
More likely to die? (Score:5, Funny)
the researchers found that women who sit more than 6 hours a day were 37 percent more likely to die than those who sit less than 3 hours
ORLY?
I thought the two groups were equally certain to die...
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Ah but the longer you survive, the more likely you are to live until the day a immortality serum is invented...
Standing Computer Desk (Score:2)
*sigh*
Well, I just bought myself an elliptical machine. I guess now I should buy a standing computer desk [google.com] for work.
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I've thought about getting these before too. Would standing in one place be any better than sitting in the same place, I wonder? I already have an angled cushion at work to try to simulate standing position and improve my posture (sitting on a flat surface makes it extremely difficult to have good posture), I wonder if that makes any difference to just slouching back in your chair..
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I ordered this because, even though I run daily, my back is starting to tire too easily. It's funny because I'm only in my mid-30s. I think it is my ergonomic chair, turning my back muscles to jelly.
37% more likely to die? (Score:2, Redundant)
It's interesting that women who sit more than 6 hours are 37% more likely to die. I'm curious to know the absolute percentage of women who die versus the women who don't die. I heard the Virgin Mary didn't die (but went to heaven directly). I'd be curious to about other women who have similar advantages.
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According to Wikipedia, there are about 3.5 billion women who never died [wikipedia.org] versus some 45 to 55 billion women who died [wikipedia.org]
Therefore, the answer to your question is 93%
Tell that to Buddhist Monks! (Score:5, Interesting)
Totally anecdotal; I haven't done a scientific study, but I have noticed that Buddhist monks, you know, that guys that sit perfectly still 8 hours a day 7 days a week, tend to live much, much longer than the average person. I think that is a bit of a hole in their study.
Re:Tell that to Buddhist Monks! (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a bastardly nitpicking point and I think your point is a good one despite it, but any group consisting mostly of adults will show a higher life expectancy than average because it excludes the hump of child mortality. Vegetarians can probably quite honestly claim to live longer than average, since most vegetarians decide to adopt their diet at some point after infancy, but the same could be said of any other adult group.
I don't have any data to hand on Buddhist monks, but I'd guess that they tend to already be adults before they get really devoted to it, so the same effect would be at work. But, the fact that they aren't all horribly unhealthy despite the hours of meditation does challenge the idea that physical inactivity directly correlates with mortality.
Maybe it's the diet; low energy food with a low energy lifestyle has to be better for you than crappy food and 8 hours in an office chair (followed by another hour or two in the car and several more hours sat about at home). Or all the meditation, as against physical inactivity while working; I hear stress can do nasty things to your health.
Correlation? Causation? (Score:4, Interesting)
The article doesn't cover correlation vs. causation at all. Does anyone have a link to an abstract or similar?
Link to the actual paper (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Link to the actual paper (Score:5, Informative)
"The time spent sitting was independently associated with total mortality, regardless of physical activity level. Public health messages should include both being physically active and reducing time spent sitting."
In effect, no matter what else you do, the more time you spend sitting, the shorter your lifespan. That is some nasty shit.
Sit less than 3 Hours? (Score:2)
What do they do the remaining 21 hours? Lie down?
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Yes. Or stand. Most people sleep for around 8 hours....and then plenty of people have jobs where they are unable to sit, so that's another 8 hours. For the last 5 hours - maybe they lie down, exercise, put in some overtime, do random jobs at home that involve standing or walking, maybe gardening (doesn't say they don't kneel)....plenty of ways you can not sit. I mean, how are you going to sit for 21 hours? Computer, TV, office job...and that's about it.
Sit Longer, Die Sooner, and... (Score:2)
Leave a good looking corpse and/or zombie husk!
You'll live longer if you ignore every stupid news story that's trying to get your attention by claiming you're going to die or live, depending on the content of said article. Not convincing enough. Sitting should just cause some interesting bowel cancer or some other less boring outcome. I want my 45 seconds back for reading that summary!
Duh! (Score:4, Funny)
Blatant typo is blatant. (Score:2)
"exersize?" Really? Do you guys actually read what you type before posting?
Their recommendations (Score:2)
"To squeeze in some more exercise at the office, try a few of these tips:
Link to actual abstract (Score:2)
I'm just wondering what the cause of increased mortality was. Was it the increased sitting, or some third factor that was also the cause of these people sitting more?
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Exercise Ball (Score:5, Interesting)
I sit on one of those exercise balls while programming. It keeps you moving and discourages slouching.
What About Other Positions? (Score:2)
Secondly, this study seems to have left out a lot of time from the day. Primarily, the study looks at humans who have spent greater than 6 hours per day sitting, or less than 3 hours per day sitting. What it doesn't do is discuss relevant times that were spent doing other things. For instance, suppose you sit right on the threshold. Suppose someone sits for 6 hours a day
People who stand all day *still* die (Score:5, Informative)
"Nah... sometimes I wanna die." (Score:2)
Not All That New News (Score:5, Informative)
FYI - similar information was reported in BusinessWeek a few months ago, referencing studies from as far back as 2005
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_19/b4177071221162.htm [businessweek.com]
One approach to avoiding these problems is the treadmill desk. [google.com] Around five years ago I had a leg injury that made sitting very painful - driving was torture - so I spent about a year standing in front a raised desk each work day. It took about a week to get used to it (the alternative being constant pain from sitting down probably helped to speed my acclimation). Once I had adjusted, I found standing just as comfortable as sitting. I expect that using a treadmill to simply walk at a very leisurely pace would be just as easy and I am planning to furnish my home office with one once the new house is built.
Original source (Score:5, Informative)
Of course with reposts of reposts the story can get a little inaccurate...
So the most obvious difference is that they're talking about leisure time spent sitting.
Also, it seems that the correlation is by means of "everything else being equal" (which is ok by itself, but the reporting is screwing about that). It doesn't mean that people with regular physical activity but sitting a lot have a higher mortality rate than people with lesser physical activity but sitting less, only that for the same level of activity, people sitting more in their leisure time have a higher mortality rate.
False figures (Score:2)
Everyone is 100% likely to die. To record, there are no immortal humans. And since there is no accurate way to predict when someone is going to die (without scheduling executions) no figures can possibly approach accuracy as the life span of one human has little to do with the life span of another human... at least in the same sense of one coin toss has no relation to the outcome of another coin toss.
More likely to die (Score:2)
Damn, I'm 117% likely to die. It's not fair!
Forget the health implications. (Score:5, Insightful)
Sitting just hurts.
I'm young and in good health, so I haven't given much thought to the long term health implications of too much sitting. What I can anecdotally report is that the more time I spend in a chair, the worse I feel. The relationship is almost linear. Not coincidentally, the realization didn't dawn on me until after I graduated from college and began working full time. Before graduation, I spent a lot of time on my feet walking to and from class and to work, since I had the good fortune to have an internship within walking distance of my college campus. This was only eight months ago, but the change in my energy level is very discernible. I can only imagine how pronounced the effect would be when magnified over the course of many years.
But that's just the job. I imagine that for most of the Slashdot audience, sitting at work is often unavoidable, unless you can afford a nice walkstation setup. What about when you're not actually at your desk, though? Usually, you're still sitting, even if you're going somewhere.
The biggest sitting problem (for Americans, at least) outside of work is that our cities, our jobs, and even our recreation is not really intended for pedestrians. I love to walk, but many places and jobs are not pedestrian-friendly. I have so grown to loathe driving that my long term plans include moving to a city where it's easier to get places by walking or riding a bike, possibly for this reason alone. Currently I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex, which I feel is one of the least walkable areas on the planet (though there are notable neighborhoods that provide exceptions). The metropolitan area has suffered badly from the urban sprawl blight, so if you're lucky enough to live with your romantic partner, chances are, at least one of you is going to have to deal with a commute. The course of my day starts off with a thirty minute drive, followed by sitting on my tush for the subsequent eight hours. Then I drive another forty-five minutes home. Unless I then drive to the nearest gym, which, due to the sprawl here, is likely to be more than six miles away, I'm pretty much stuck indoors again. Side note: a 117 degree heat index does not a happy human make. I have seen Texans drive to their mail box.
The economic forces that drive sprawl really kill the cores of cities and make life miserable for commuters. My partner is burgeoning traffic engineer, and he's taught me some of the things that walkability projects can do to improve life for both residents and businesses in a city. Suburban Nation is an excellent read on the subject. You can also check out Walkscore [walkscore.com] to see how your neighborhood ranks. It's pretty neat stuff, and I wish more people would care about this issue.
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The biggest sitting problem (for Americans, at least) outside of work is that our cities, our jobs, and even our recreation is not really intended for pedestrians.
I think the biggest problem is that "pedestrian" is a bit like "pederast". I'll rather take the car than be confused with one of those.
I don't understand... (Score:2)
Did they control for suicide? (Score:2)
Being trapped all day in a small grey box while click click clicking on things displayed on a smaller box has adverse health effects? But its so natural, what we evolved for. Not at all like being an animal in a cramped, sterile, never changing zoo environment, endlessly trying to find the door out that never appears.
IF (Score:2)
Don't stand either... (Score:2)
Long term standing creates a list of potential health issues as well (including increased risk for atherosclerosis) :
http://www.cwhn.ca/en/node/40808 [www.cwhn.ca]
The message is likely moderation in all things.
I will only really be concerned (Score:2)
So, what else to do other than sitting? (Score:3, Funny)
Bad Study (Score:3, Insightful)
School kids and college kids would be dropping like flies. They sit a lot.
In older folks with medical issues sitting is a forced situation as death and infirmities tighten their grip. Yes, if you go in a nursing home it is hard to find many inmates that walk more than 30 minutes a day. Then again college students, in order to attend classes and do their studies, often sit more than ten hours a day.
One wonders if these studies took age and illness into consideration? As a matter of fact young folks smart enough to go to college are not involved in active military service and spend less time on motorcycles and scuba diving etc.. I'll bet that non college young folks suffer far greater death rates and those who do not go to college probably stand a lot more hours each day. After all ditch digging offers little sitting time.
Statistics and the original report (Score:3, Informative)
Here is the original report: Leisure Time Spent Sitting in Relation to Total Mortality in a Prospective Cohort of US Adults [scribd.com]
Such large sample sizes scare me. When you've got 100,000 data points, almost anything seems statistically significant.
Having a look at the abstract of the page "Leisure Time Spent Sitting in Relation to Total Mortality in a Prospective Cohort of US Adults" [oxfordjournals.org], I am not sure about some of this... After reading that, I got more interested in it and just got the original article, though that doesn't help much, it's missing a lot of summary data, none the less...
Additionally I would really need to get into their statistical method more, and get their original data, as it looks like there could be many more problems.
I would take this study, with a fuck load of salt.
I knew you were killing me slashdot! (Score:4, Funny)
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For some reason, I thought I was on FARK and answered as if I were there.
I'm not usually this crass. Oh, wait, yes I am. just not here.
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What if i exercise sitting down? I bounce my legs up and down like a drummer for most of the day. Does that count as not sitting?
This [xkcd.com] will elevate the bouncing your legs to a higher intellectual level - less likely [wikipedia.org] to get Alzheimer's too.
Re:Huh? (Score:4, Funny)
Are you sure about the 100% chance of dying?
I haven't died.
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I might get modded down for this, but I haven't died either, and I suspect others like me are beginning to come out of the closet.
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I don't think that anyone ever really dies; I hold to an immortalist philosophy.
If death is the end of experience then, well, thats not really something that you can experience.
My belief is that the process of experiencing an existance is not something that can end.
I do believe that one can have amnesia and forget ones past experiences, though I believe that such amnesia is always a temporary phenomenon. Eventually you will remember all that you have experienced, even if it takes billions of years.
So the 'e
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I'm pretty sure people who are moving about will not die. The trick is to never stop moving.
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I'm pretty sure people who are moving about will not die.
The families of athletes who have suddenly died during training or competition [umass.edu] would disagree with you.
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It's gotta qualify how much sooner or something.
How dare you! Don't confuse the science with facts!
lol You must be right or the world just doesn't make sense. Haha The summary was misleading.
From the article:
People who exercise regularly had a lower risk, but still significant, risk of dying. Those who sat a lot and moved less than three and a half hours per day are the most likely to die early: ...
Note it does say die early. Although the fact that the conversation was quickly reduced to what it was by the error is not surprising.
Re:I really need to get my walkstation set up (Score:5, Informative)
I've done it, works well. I spent ages looking for a solution and they're all crap, or crazy prices. In the end I used a few lengths of 2x4 to make an H with the tops shorter than the bottom. The cross member sits tall with the side bars flat. It slots in behind the main tread panel and allows a laptop to sit on the prongs pointing forward with the cross bar pushing against the rear of the panel. Not all treads have the support bar below the panel, so you may need to create a stand of some kind.
Tips: Running and walking at pace is not going to work. You're bouncing around and typing is a real PITA. If you want to burn calories, put it on a steep incline. Have a hand towel to hand, you'll sweat a lot and you don't want that dribbling onto your laptop. Have a water bottle or two to hand too, you'll need it.
You'll be able to do 3 hour sessions without really knowing it once you get the hang of movement and keyboard work. I had to forget doing paperwork, or using pen, making notes etc, it simply didn't work for me. But pure coding, if you know what you're doing, is a breeze.
The hardest part is forcing yourself to do it. It's far easier to slough in a chair behind a couple of huge monitors.
Re:I really need to get my walkstation set up (Score:4, Informative)
To quote from the summary of the original article referenced. (alas, I don't have $40 to spare to read the paer)
"Evidence supports that reducing time spent sitting, regardless of activity, may improve the metabolic consequences of obesity"
So - the study only addresses obese people.
Re:I really need to get my walkstation set up (Score:5, Informative)
The participants were drawn from a mortality study by the ACS begun in 1992. The objective of the 1992 study (184,190 participants) was to investigate the relation between diet and mortality across the population (details in The American Cancer Society Cancer Prevention Study II Nutrition Cohort [wiley.com]) From the section on "Materials and Methods" in the present paper we see that they didn't leave out non-obese people:
We excluded sequentially from this analysis men and women who reported a personal history of cancer (n = 21,785), heart attack (n = 11,560), stroke (n = 2,513), or emphysema/other lung disease (n = 9,321) at the time of enrollment. We also excluded individuals with missing data on physical activity (n = 4,240), missing sitting time (n = 2,954), missing or extreme (top and bottom 0.1%) values of body mass index (n = 2,121), or missing smoking status (n = 1,347) at baseline. Finally, to reduce the possibility of undiagnosed serious illness at baseline that would preclude or interfere with physical activity, we excluded individuals who reported both no daily life activities and no light housekeeping (n = 4,730), as well as those who died from any cause within the first year of follow-up (n = 403). After exclusions, the analytical cohort consisted of 123,216 individuals (53,440 men and 69,776 women) with a mean age of 63.6 (standard deviation, 6.0) years in men and 61.9 (standard deviation, 6.5) years in women when enrolled in the study in 1992.
They did record BMIs and what they found was the following:
We examined the association between time spent sitting and total mortality in men and women combined, stratified by body mass index (Table 3). Although time spent sitting and physical activity were more strongly associated with mortality among lean persons (for time spent sitting, P_interaction = 0.06; for physical activity, P_interaction = 0.002), both measures were significantly associated with risk of total mortality regardless of body mass index.
Re:Sitting leading cause of death in the world! (Score:4, Funny)
No, it just feels like forever.
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Re:And in other news... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Oh fuck off. (Score:5, Informative)
Did you even make it past the first paragraph?
The article:
So ... yes. Obviously they completely left out the information you were missing. Especially the bit where they're expecting you to, you know, read the fucking article.
The article:
That's the first fucking paragraph of the article. So not only are you an idiot, you're also blind.
It costs $40 to RTFA (Score:2, Informative)
read the fucking article
From the article [oxfordjournals.org]:
I hope you didn't mean that only people who have paid for access to the article have the privilege of joining the discussion. Did you mean something different? But I will grant that the abstract mentions deaths "during the 14-year
Re:It costs $40 to RTFA (Score:4, Insightful)
And that article is NOT linked in the summary in this particular story. Since there is only one article linked in the summary, it is obvious to anyone that that would be THE article in question.
That you happen to have dug up the actual report, something neither the poster nor the article write did, changes nothing. All the information I have posted and the grand parent wanted, was in the linked article, free to anyone to read.
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