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Mandatory H1N1 Vaccine For NY Health Workers Suspended 292

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lunatick writes "The controversial mandatory swine flu vaccine for health care workers in NY has been suspended. While the reason for the suspension was stated as a shortage of the vaccine, a connection was found showing state Health Commissioner Richard F. Daines, M.D. and/or his wife may directly profit from the sale of the vaccine. Within hours of that connection being questioned on a radio show and the podcast being distributed, the announcement was made suspending the order. The health care community of NYS is petitioning the State Attorney general to investigate the connection."
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Mandatory H1N1 Vaccine For NY Health Workers Suspended

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  • BUSTED! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jeffb (2.718) (1189693) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @03:47PM (#29858985)

    H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS, but it's still not as prevalent as corruption.

    • However I don't see a reason why people shouldn't take the H1N1 vaccine. Ok the guy is making money from this... However Vaccines have a rather poor profit returns (expensive to make and sold with low margins) It would seem like if he was really corrupt he would do something with higher margins. However for someone who is interested in healthcare it wouldn't be surprising that he had investments in healthcare. Just like I am sure many of you have investments in Tech Companies...

      • Re:BUSTED! (Score:4, Insightful)

        by NFN_NLN (633283) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @05:58PM (#29860089)

        Ok the guy is making money from this... However Vaccines have a rather poor profit returns (expensive to make and sold with low margins) It would seem like if he was really corrupt he would do something with higher margins.

        It's not hard to understand. If he did something "really corrupt" he would be fined or go to jail. If he does something marginally corrupt then morons will go around defending him saying he "isn't that corrupt" and then he'll get away with it. It's all about risk to reward ratios. Sure he won't make significant money but there is nearly no risk.

        Thanks for being an enabler.

      • Re:BUSTED! (Score:4, Interesting)

        by jonbryce (703250) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @06:05PM (#29860147) Homepage

        In Britain, apparently a large number of doctors and nurses are refusing to take the H1N1 vaccine. I don't understand the arguments for and against, but if the people who know about these things don't want it, why should I take it?

      • by cawpin (875453)

        However I don't see a reason why people shouldn't take the H1N1 vaccine.

        I'll give you a reason. The one and only time I got a flu shot I had the worst flu of my life and had it for almost two weeks.I was usually was over the flu, when I even got it, in 3 days. I haven't had it in 5 or 6 years now and have no reason to risk getting it again from the shot.

    • H1N1 may indeed be pandemic in NYS, but it's still not as prevalent as corruption.

      If somebody could come out with a vaccine against corruption, I'd definitely favor making that mandatory.

  • typo (Score:2, Informative)

    by matzahboy (1656011)
    Just as an FYI, you have a typo in the title. "Manditory" should be "Mandatory"
  • by Manip (656104) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @03:59PM (#29859087)

    I've read suggestions to make people (kids in particular) get vaccinations before but frankly I have never been comfortable with the concept. When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?

    Plus what happens if this vaccine turns out to have nasty side effects? Is the state who mandated it responsible or will they just wash their hands and say - "You had a choice!" That's what they tried to do after all the medication they made soliders take in the first gulf war turned out to have serious long term side effects.

    Going into crazy paranoia zone here now, but how long until RFID chips (which have already been linked to cancer) will be mandatory for government employees for "security reasons?"

    • by Herkum01 (592704) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @04:10PM (#29859193)

      Yeah, I mean what if a doctor gets busy? It is not like if a doctor does not washes their hands between patients [firstthings.com] that nothing bad will come of it.

      And everyone knows that a hospital worker getting sick is so much more important than the patient, especially those people who may have a weaken immune system because they are already sick.

    • by ctmurray (1475885)
      Currently they are recommending children with underlaying medical issues get vaccinated first (asthma, MD) and women in their third trimester. Both because they are those who are dying at the highest rates. All the reputable medical sites/doctors say the H1N1 vaccine will have the same risks as normal flu vaccine- as they are both made exactly the same way. There is nothing about this strain of virus that makes the vaccine more dangerous. They are even offering versions without the normal preservative (whic
      • by sjames (1099)

        Double the vaccinations = double the risk. They are for different antigens, so it's not just a double dose of the same thing.

        Many naturally wonder how real the threat is considering how many months we've been told the sky is falling. Chicken Little has no place in risk/benefit analysis.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Abcd1234 (188840)

          Many naturally wonder how real the threat is considering how many months we've been told the sky is falling.

          Umm, dude, we haven't even entered the northern hemisphere flu season, yet, and we've already hit the average number of pediatric flu deaths for a normal year. Is the sky falling? No (you can blame the media, as always for perpetuating that idea). But there most definitely is cause for concern.

          • by sjames (1099) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @07:45PM (#29860791) Homepage

            Most reports are that swine flu has been mild compared to the typical in most individuals. This includes reports that some exposed have never developed any symptom. The reported numbers for swine flu rely on the presumption of swine flu rather than the regular seasonal flu, not actual tests. That is, died so must have been swine flu.

            What evidence there is suggests that children and the elderly should have priority for vaccination (greater potential benefit for the same risk). Healthy adults should be at the end of the list.

            Meanwhile, none of the reports of flu death statistics are based on an actual count. They are all extrapolations and estimates based on 'facts' that are supported mostly by the statistics they support.

            A big hint of that was a report that the 5000 worldwide deaths is an estimate because various authorities have stopped counting. Hrmm, only 5000 and it's too many to count or only 5000 so it's not significant enough to count?

            And of course, the last time the swine flu was going to kill us all, the vaccine turned out to have serious side effects (for reasons never determined) and the swine flue never went beyond a single military base.

            Nevertheless, I was mostly pointing out that being made by the same process doesn't mean the risk is exactly the same and that in any event, double the vaccinations means double the risks. I didn't actually comment on the risk/benefit analysis at all.

            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by John Newman (444192)

              Most reports are that swine flu has been mild compared to the typical in most individuals. This includes reports that some exposed have never developed any symptom. The reported numbers for swine flu rely on the presumption of swine flu rather than the regular seasonal flu, not actual tests. That is, died so must have been swine flu.

              What evidence there is suggests that children and the elderly should have priority for vaccination (greater potential benefit for the same risk). Healthy adults should be at the

              • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                by sjames (1099)

                Considering that all the scary stories (anecdotes) you cite are a minority of cases, it's entirely consistent with my report that most cases are mild.

                The reports I have seen indicate "suspected" swine flu, etc, never "confirmed by PCR" swine flu. Not surprising since the CDC has asked that tests NOT [cbsnews.com]be done. A quote from that article:

                With most cases diagnosed solely on symptoms and risk factors, the H1N1 flu epidemic may seem worse than it is.

                I will happily forgo my shot so someone in the high risk group can have it.

                About the CDC stats, a fair portion are self fulfilling. Hospital visits for flue-like symptoms. Not a

        • Double the vaccinations = double the risk. They are for different antigens, so it's not just a double dose of the same thing.

          The normal seasonal flu vaccine typically has 3 different strains in it, if the wasn't the rush to get the H1N1 vaccine out as soon as possible it would have went into the seasonal vaccine and nobody would have thought anything about it.

    • Alright, but if you get mumps orchitis because you refused to get the MMR vaccine, then we as a society shouldn't be obligated to treat your malady. Is that fair?

    • Going into crazy paranoia zone here now, but how long until RFID chips (which have already been linked to cancer) will be mandatory for government employees for "security reasons?"

      I only found one study. That study was in Sept 2007, no news stories since then. Until it's confirmed by an independent study, I don't know if it's legitimate to say there is a link. Besides, RFID works using non-ionizing radiation (i.e. doesn't break molecules or DNA), not sure how there can be cancer, at least with the RF part.

      • by tftp (111690)

        RFID works using non-ionizing radiation (i.e. doesn't break molecules or DNA), not sure how there can be cancer, at least with the RF part.

        It doesn't have to be related to the RF. Cells contacting the foreign material of the RFID container can become damaged and that can lead to all kinds of problems, including cancer. link [immuneweb.org]

    • Firstly, you have a say, ALWAYS. Governments aren't there to control the people (while you may let them, it's not the case), short of said governments tearing up constitutions and so forth you can always fight back.

      Secondly, there are KNOWN side effects with this vaccine, they are clearly stated prior to vaccination (at least here in Australia) as required by law - just the same as all vaccines.

      I really don't get where these paranoid delusions suggesting that the government is something to fear. Sure, they

    • OK, never mind, I found information on some older studies. I think it
      s odd that there aren't any newer ones.

    • No way I can tell how accurate this is but if it is then it raises a whole lot of questions that ought to be asked... starting with the obvious: who got the money?

      http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=2130246 [nationalpost.com]
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by blueg3 (192743)

      When you start telling people that they must put something foreign into their bodies at what point exactly does it stop?

      Well, in this case, it stops right around the point where the state requires that health care workers receive the flu vaccine.

      There's a reason slippery slope is a logical fallacy, rather than a legitimate logical argument.

  • hunh? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Caffinated (38013) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @04:03PM (#29859133) Homepage
    So, the "scandal" here is that his wife works for Golman Sachs and that pharma stocks are overpriced? Somehow mandating that healthcare workers get vaccinated against a new flu is somehow a huge conspiracy to profit for them how? I recognize that the tin-foil-hat brigade has kicked onto high alert over H1N1 vaccination, but this is stupid. This is front page material how?
    • Re:hunh? (Score:5, Informative)

      by wizardforce (1005805) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @04:24PM (#29859311) Journal

      TFA is claiming that mandating the flu vaccine would net quite a bit of profit for whatever pharmaceutical company manufactures them and since Goldman Sachs likely invests in said company, they'd stand to gain indirectly from the mandate and therefore so would the husband/wife pushing the flu mandate. But I agree with you. It looks like TFA's claims are a bit of a stretch. These employees work with people who are often immuno-compromised and getting infected with H1/N1 could kill them.

      • by Trepidity (597)

        It does point to an increasing problem when a large proportion of public officials have personal stakes in many of the firms that might be affected by decisions they make. The US Supreme Court has actually declined to take a few cases that they might otherwise have taken because too many justices held stock in one of the companies, meaning that they'd have to recuse themselves.

      • by Rich0 (548339)

        That's a BIG stretch. That's like saying that a mayor who invests in anything shouldn't be allowed to pass a law that might improve the economy (heaven forbid!).

        I'm all for requiring those holding significant political power to put their investments in some kind of a blind trust. I'm also all for declarations and avoidances of conflicts of interest.

        However, the idea that anything that helps any company could be a conflict of interest because your wife works at a bank that may or may not invest in that com

    • by Beelzebud (1361137)
      It's a right-wing radio station.

      Reading the site that is linked, they don't even have any tangible evidence that there is something going on. A lot of guilt by association innuendo, six degrees of separation connections, and 'what if' type questions.

      The CDC says it's because of the shortage of the vaccine. I'll trust them, for the time being, over a biased right-wing radio station.
    • Somehow mandating that healthcare workers get vaccinated against a new flu is somehow a huge conspiracy to profit for them how?

      Think of it this way - my wife makes widgets for sale. I am in a position to require a large block of people to buy widgets. I do so.

      Now, is this corruption? Looks like it from here. Especially since all the guy had to do to avoid the "appearance of impropriety" is recuse himself from the decision-making process.

      • Except in this case the guy's wife works for a company that indirectly makes a profit from owning stock at the widget factory. She herself doesn't work at the widget factory, and won't directly profit from anything the widget factory produces. She works for a company that owns stock in practically every type of business out there.

        So should the guy have to research every aspect of the company his wife works for, including everything they have invested in, before he makes a decision related to health car
      • by Zakabog (603757)

        Think of it this way - my wife makes widgets for sale. I am in a position to require a large block of people to buy widgets. I do so.

        No, it's more like - My wife works for a company that invests in hundreds of other companies, a few of which make seat belts for sale. I am in a position to require all cars to come with seat belts. My wife wouldn't profit much from the mandatory requirement of seat belts in cars as most cars will come with a seat belt anyway, plus it's likely to benefit in the well being of society to make seat belts mandatory. I do so.

  • by bcrowell (177657) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @04:23PM (#29859303) Homepage

    We've been seeing tons and tons of articles like this recently on slashdot. There's a consistent anti-vaccine slant on all of them. I'm guessing that there's some small group of antivaccine crazies who are active on the firehose, and they consistently vote up each other's stories.

    • by Kozz (7764) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @04:44PM (#29859477)

      We've been seeing tons and tons of articles like this recently on slashdot. There's a consistent anti-vaccine slant on all of them. I'm guessing that there's some small group of antivaccine crazies who are active on the firehose, and they consistently vote up each other's stories.

      You got it, man. It's a conspiracy!

      attention: this post may contain excessive levels of irony.

    • by BACPro (206388) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @04:55PM (#29859555)

      How can you have a positive slant vaccine article?

      "Man gets immunized, doesn't get the sniffles..."

      Not very newsworthy.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by blueg3 (192743)

        Nation gets immunized, people stop dying and being crippled by polio.

        Actual headlines:
        "Salk's vaccine works"
        "Polio routed"
        "Polio vaccine is 'safe, effective, and potent'"

  • In all the media hype there is not one word mentioned of the Pharmaceutical companies involved. Why? Could they be holding out for a better price? That's just good business isn't it? Has America traded its children's future for the promise from a Grinning Show Off with an out stretched hand? There to many dead to ignore these kinds of questions.
  • So (Score:2, Insightful)

    by symes (835608)
    Either H1N1 is so serious that we do need a vaccine. Or it's ok to delay vaccinations while we get the finances sorted out. Something smells. And speaking as someone who has had it... all I can say is that it really doesn't seem much worse than regular flu. My only conclusion is that there's a bunch of people making a whole load of money off our fears. Global financial meltdown, H1N1... what's next? We need to give up another few trillion to save ourselves from a plague of locusts? Oh... too late for that o
  • I'm in an age group with one of the lower incidence rates, but the highest death rate amongst those that do get it. It's weird.

  • The corruption angle here might be a good reason to investigate the interest-conflicted doctor, and perhaps take back their ill-gotten gain if that's what's happening. But there's no basis to freak out about mandatory vaccination of health workers.

    Waiters and other employees in restaurants are required to wash their hands, because their job puts them at higher risk of both getting and passing on disease to customers and fellow workers. The same risk management is necessary for health workers, who are much m

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