Hacking With Synthetic Biology 135
blackbearnh writes "If you've gotten tired of hacking firewalls or cloud computing, maybe it's time to try your hand with DNA. That's what Reshma Shetty is doing with her Doctorate in Biological Engineering from MIT. Apart from her crowning achievement of getting bacteria to smell like mint and bananas, she's also active in the developing field of synthetic biology and has recently helped found a company called Gingko BioWorks which is developing enabling technologies to allow for rapid prototyping of biological systems. She talked to O'Reilly Radar recently about the benefits and potential dangers of easy biological design, why students should be hacking wetware, and what's involved in setting up your own lab to slice genes."
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Are you kidding? This will revolutionize the world. Your neighbor (not mine), in an attempt to show that you can't even FORCE nature to make a crocoduck will inadvertently create an airborne strain of E. coli that is resistant to any cheap form of treatment: resulting in a solution to rising unemployment and illegal immigration in less than 38 hours. The resulting global changes will be heralded as Allah's revenge against the great satan and simultaneously on the GLBT communities for their crimes against god. In less than a week, big pharmaceutical industry will collapse with the announcement that a 15 year old Korean kid in S.California has created an antidote that can be distributed in the flavor coating on potato chips. Frito Lay purchases several Pharma companies and hires the kid to work on gene therapies to be distributed via Corn Chips. Monsanto sues to block genetically modified material being added to their corn........ sigh
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I want to see a cat with wings in active pursuit of prey.
I would also like to see these http://www.genpets.com/index.php [genpets.com]
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I would also like to see these http://www.genpets.com/index.php [genpets.com]
That has to be the most shocking thing I have ever seen. I almost couldn't judge how serious it was until someone called my attention. Im sure its just a plot to get page hits but... WTF?? After the shock wheres off, you realize how fake it looks.
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It looks it could be a good bit of viral marketing for a movie like Gremlins, or something like Planet of the Apes, etc. The About page explains the actual background pretty well.
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The famous "Monsanto owns the world" trial at the Hague left no doubt that potatoes would soon be a world food staple. The increased value of potatoes vaults Ireland to primacy in the EU. They had previously been too poor to buy Monsanto seeds.
With much of the world economy in tatters, people turned to faith: also in tatters when the Pope admitted publicly that evolution, not creation, is the truth, as evidenced by the change to global population due to those with genetic immunity to E. Coli.
Not to be forgo
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What's that you say? Oh, yes, of course, yes he had a name. The young boy from California? Oh, the christo-fascist DNA artist was called Joe. I think he was a plumber by trade, and the boy king from California; his name was Bob. Bob Paulson. His NAME is Bob Paulson. I understand that he own the entire western seaboard now.
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all technology has a risk of being missued but if we didn't develop any of that tech because of that fear, then we'd never have developed fire out of fear that it could be used to burn down homes. The haber process which keeps 2 billion people fed and alive today was developed to produce nitrogen compounds used to make munitions to kill people. NO tech in of its self is evil, it is how it is used which is evil.
It's less about "evil" as about "safeguards" (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't think anyone cringes at exploring technology per se, but at doing so without much safeguards if any. The potential for mass harm is great, and while nobody proposes to outlaw it as such, it would be nice if it stayed only in proper labs and you at least had to tell someone your idea before even starting on it. You know, sorta like the XKCD idea of having your comment read out loud to you so you get a second chance to spot if it sounds bloody stupid.
Basically the same as: I'm not against electricity or nuclear power, but if the neighbour's kid managed to buy ten kilos of plutonium for his science experiment... I'd _worry_.
And here we're talking about something which has historically caused more harm than a nuke before. E.g.,
- repeated smallpox outbreaks seem to have been what weakened the Roman empire in the first centuries AD, to the point of near collapse of its economy and army. (Not to mention making everyone disillusioned with the old gods and ways.) There are outbreaks that are estimated to have killed up to 30% of the empire's total population. _Thousands_ of people died daily in Rome alone, for decades straight. (Though later Justinian's Plague killed about ten thousands a day in Constantinople.)
- ask the american indians how well smallpox worked for them later
- bubonic plague outbursts killed a majority of Europe's population back then, with mortality as high as 75% per outbreak in some cities (though not all.)
- we had a killer flu as late as after the first world war
Knowing that everyone can concoct their own cross between flu and aids with just a couple of relevant genes from the noro-virus for extra flavour, doesn't exactly make me sleep easier.
And before someone goes, "omg, but now we have antibiotics": yeah, but curing viruses is still where we suck. Royally.
And at least theoretically it would be possible to concoct even bacterias which don't respond to antibiotics that well. The easy to explain version is to just start from VISA/VRSA (think MRSA with extra resistances) and give it a gene so it multiplies faster. But for something more advanced for true gurus, why not swap out the proteins attacked by the antibiotics in the first place? E.g., give it the ribosome from an animal cell, and you just rendered a whole class of antibiotics impotent at a more fundamental level than normal bacterial resistances. Might need to recode a couple of other proteins for it to work, but that's why I've said it's for gurus only.
Or get creative. Make a bacteria or virus that can live equally well on plants _and_ animals. Now that'll be a royal pain in the arse to completely root out, and it can safely kill its hosts without making itself extinct.
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I don't think anyone cringes at exploring technology per se, but at doing so without much safeguards if any. The potential for mass harm is great, and while nobody proposes to outlaw it as such, it would be nice if it stayed only in proper labs and you at least had to tell someone your idea before even starting on it. You know, sorta like the XKCD idea of having your comment read out loud to you so you get a second chance to spot if it sounds bloody stupid.
If you work in a lab, you obviously have to tell your boss what you're up to. If you have your own lab, you're too busy telling the NIH what you've done and why they need to give you more money, to be doing this on the side. If you run into a problem you can't solve, the first thing you do is ask your colleagues for advice. In other words, people know what you're working on, we already talk to each other and hopefully would be able to tell if our colleagues were about to create a supervirus (which, by th
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That's a bit irrelevant, since the capability of gen
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That's a bit irrelevant, since the capability of genetically engineering a virus was missing until very recently.
Right, and I guess I worded that poorly. My point wasn't "They've always been natural, they can never be man-made" but was instead "Let's not worry too much about man-made diseases when a natural one is so much more likely."
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Thanks for the correction, but the results were scary either way. In a couple of centuries, Rome went from those 1-2 million people to about 20,000 people living among acres of abandoned buildings and ruins. Pretty much a Fallout scenario.
Re:Doesn't this sound like... (Score:5, Informative)
Unlike computer programming, these aren't projects that people are (realistically) able to do in their basement. Often we give the simplest experiments (just the cloning part), where all the reagents are present and the knowledge base is easily available, to summer students - and often times they fail. I don't worry about the rogue 'biohacker' next door (all the more power to them - maybe they'll learn something about science). I worry about rogue governments - particulary ones that believe God will protect them.
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She talked to O'Reilly Radar recently about the benefits and potential dangers of easy biological design, why students should be hacking wetware, and what's involved in setting up your own lab to slice genes.
If I'm not mistaken, this is exactly what the article is getting at, how to make it cost less and be easier.
At least they don't ignore what others are saying though, in that there are benefits and dangers.
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agreed, however (Score:2)
technological progress marches on
your average middle class high school kid can buy $500 HD editting software and a $1K HD camera and have more power in his rec room than the average major hollywood studio in 1969
plus, biology is not limited like chemistry or physics: you might know how to make nerve gas or plutonium, but you still need very expensive materials and equipment well beyond your means as a middle class kid. but all genetic hacking requires is biochemical manipulations around us in every microorg
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For some people deadly = useful.
In case you haven't noticed, suicide bombers often kill themselves and a lot of people.
Will the human world be ready for the time when almost everyone can afford the equivalent of a Big Red "Kill Everyone" Button?
People say tech progress is inevitable, but:
1) not all paths have to be taken NOW
2) not all paths can be taken at the same time since we do have resource constraints.
3) many paths cannot be "untaken" on
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Re:Doesn't this sound like... (Score:4, Informative)
Did you even think about reading the article? The ultimate goal of this is to make sure that people can do it for little cost. I listen to researchers in the area complain that they can't get grad students to work on a project if there isn't an easy off the shelf kit you can buy to do the work.
A few $1000, eBay, and you can equip a basement lab. This time is to bioscience what the 1970's were to Steve Jobs and Woz. See this ebay search: http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkwZsequencerQ20dnaQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZR40QQ_mdoZ [ebay.com]
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Gel electrophoresis using drinking straws:
http://maradydd.livejournal.com/417631.html [livejournal.com]
DiYBio Club:
http://io9.com/5014059/a-homebrew-club-for-biogeeks [io9.com]
Home-brew science is becoming more possible.
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RB: Morphology? Longevity? Incept dates?
DC: I don't know such stuff.
DC: I just do eyes. Just eyes.|Just genetic design.
DC: You Nexus?
DC: I designed your eyes.
RB: If only you could see|what I've seen with your eyes.
RB: Now...
RB:
DC: I don't know answers.
RB: Who does?
DC: Tyrell! He knows everything.
DC: Tyrell Corporation?
DC: He big boss.
DC: Big genius. He design your mind.|Your brain.
RB: Smart.
DC: Very cold.
RB: Not an easy man to see...
DC: Very cold.
RB:
you aren't paying attention (Score:2)
these aren't projects that people are (realistically) able to do in their basement.
That is exactly what these companies and projects are trying to change. They set up large libraries of genetic components with standardized "connectors". The create plasmids that "just work". Etc. People will be able to try out lots of stuff in their basement at almost no cost. nd sequences they don't have, they can simply order for a few hundred dollars.
This wasn't even hard or costly 20 years ago, and it's even easier n
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"Even just to put pieces of DNA together can be a fairly laborious and manual process that's pretty error-prone. So how do we make that process easier? How do we make it so that an undergraduate or a team of undergraduates can go engineer E. coli to smell like wintergreen and banana in just a summer?" Typically, people usually assume that those types of projects are just too hard to do, because the tools we have essentially suck. So synthetic biology is focused on the effort of making biological eng
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In theory you're right that you could make a lot of those instruments at home, but I don't think it would work in practice. Besides you're still left with the problem of expensive enzymes, you want to make those yourself too? You'll be busy for years constructing your devices and is
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You mean minty banana ass smell. Unfortunately, shit mixes with pretty much everything else (if it doesn't just overwhelm it).
Re:Doesn't this sound like... (Score:4, Informative)
Her Bio [openwetware.org]
Forbes article - DIY Life [forbes.com]
MIT TechTV Video - DIY Biology [mit.edu]
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Sounds like a pretty easy way for people to start making some nasty superbugs.
There are two bigger threats when it comes to dangerous germs the government and nature. People tinkering around with bugs in their home labs generally have no motivation to develop superbugs. It's not like you can create a literal wetware virus that will net you people's credit card information like a computer virus could. And it's not like you could sell a superbug to anyone, the military is probably not going to buy yours, they likely have their own. Those are the ones I worry about.
Most of all thoug
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I think you underestimate how nasty day-to-day bugs are. We just happen to be very well equipped to deal with them.
I would guess that they are careful to contain any engineered bugs, partly to keep them from acting on the environment, but also to keep the environment from acting on them.
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Don't get your skivies in a wad, E. Coli [wikipedia.org] are promiscuous little whores and does the bacteria conjugation [wikipedia.org], transduction [wikipedia.org] and transformation [wikipedia.org] thing; so what your neighbor does isn't anything the little bugger aren't doing by trial and error anyways.
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It sounds more like a receipe for fewer chemicals being available to the common hobby chemist.
Try, just try, to get any important chemicals for organic chemistry these days. About a third of them are on the "this can be used for bombs" list, another on the "this could be used for drugs" list, and now the rest will be locked away because it's on the "this could be used for germs" list.
Fine, I'll think of the children (Score:5, Interesting)
Biological tinkering has me concerned because we're talking about self-replicating systems. Realistically, we're not going to see nanite swarms or grey goo eating the whole planet as is feared in science fiction. Nanites have to operate within the same laws of physics as anything else and are unlikely to be spectacularly and magically more robust than organics. Hell, at such a small scale they would be more likely to be custom-designed organics.
That being said, organics ranging from viruses to bacteria to algae can cause quite a bit of trouble in our ecosystem. My only concern is that we might create some sort of blight in the lab that gets out. Now I'm not saying she's deliberately working with stuff that's intentionally meant to be lethal like the biological warfare guys in Russia but even those guys who knew they were messing with absolutely lethal bugs still made mistakes and had accidental releases.
Given that we won't know that something is really bad for us in the environment until after it gets out and starts doing terrible things, I would like to suggest we operate with an abundance of caution here. It wouldn't take an accidental flesh-eating bacteria to ruin everyone's day. The next corn smut or citrus canker could not kill a single person and cost the economy billions.
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Wait a minute... "corn smut"?!? I think I've seen old videos of that on the internet...
Re:Fine, I'll think of the children (Score:4, Funny)
"Two girls, one cob!"
Eww, no thanks, I'll pass.
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we can also delete/disable genes required for growth outside the lab. As an example, knocking out multiple genes involved in synthesizing nutrients that are not common outside of a lab setting. stack several of these together and the chance the bacteria has of adapting quickly is roughly zero. synthetic biology also allows us to incorporate unnatural amino acids that if not present in the medium, cause protein synthesis
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fixed.
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I think Ms. Shetty would also like to caution the public against popularizing computer programming languages, which could lead to self-propagating computer viruses, botnets, and a deluge of spam.
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Where have I heard that before? Gee, they can't synthesize lysine so they'll die in the wild.....
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Lysine is an amino acid that is fairly common in the wild so yes that part of the movie was stupid. However, there are compounds that are otherwise only found in a lab, most synthetic amino acids for example. These need to be supplied in a lab setting for the organism to survive as they are not found in food sources outside of a lab setting. Several of those handicaps together should be more than enough to make sure that anything we make in the lab isn't going to be doing any time elsewhere that it simpl
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The fun parts:
Reproduces without needing a second crayfish. That's right, it quite literally clones itself, 10-40 times per monthly batch of eggs.
It is largely non-hostile to it's offspring.
It lives and reproduces in water from ~40*f to ~90*f.
It, like most crayfish, eats everything, especially plants.
The really interesting part is that nobody ac
OpenWetWare.org (Score:5, Informative)
This is the info sharing site for bio-hackers. Has everything from courses for the gene-script kiddies to protocols and other neat stuff. It's a better resource then the corporate site for those who want to know about it.
Another link (Score:1)
Also, here is a recording from a Computer Chaos Club Congress about messing with DNA. You can get a fairly good grip on this subject if you watch it ;)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6950604815683841321&hl=en [google.com]
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actually founder of openwetware, Austin Che, is also founder of the company in discussion.
http://ginkgobioworks.com/team.html
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Uber Geekery (Score:5, Insightful)
Now that's what I call Uber Geekery. Instead of the tiring work of brushing your teeth, you get minty fresh breath by hacking the smell of the bacteria in your mouth.
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Instead of adapting to the world she really did make the world adapt to her. That is actually pretty impressive.
I think she's on to something (Score:2)
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Screw mint, I want bacon flavored everything!
Re:I think she's on to something (Score:4, Interesting)
or produce the needed vitamins for the human body. it's been tried with limited success... the probelm seems to be getting the bacteria to take hold in the gut rather than just expelled from the body. the field is called probiotics but requires some engineering so it's a bit of both fields. imagine making enough vitamin D not to ever have rickets or vitamin C to prevent scurvy or even destroying toxins like Melamine. Which by the way is why cows can do ok with melamine in their diet, their gut bacteria breakdown melamine and produce useful nitrogen containing molecules using it as a nitrogen source.
Hacking Life Danger (Score:1, Insightful)
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If you want to hack biology get into plant breeding
Feed me, Seymour, Feed me.
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If we took that approach to electrical engineering we would still be flying kites in thunderstorms to play with electricity. If mechanical engineers did that we would be making roads from stones and bridges from wood. Get over it, so your machines are squishy, big whoop.
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First, the human race has to get past the fools who will genetically engineer something devastating just because they can.
Second, the human race has to get past the madmen bent on self-destruction accompanied with the destruction of the human race.
Third, the human race has to get past those people who will immunize their group from a devastating virus/bacteria that they unleash on the rest of the human race.
Can we get past all this?
Can we get past all this without serious invasion of our personal liberty?
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Yet, we still have nuclear power, gunpowder, and fire.
So yeah, we can manage.
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Gunpowder and fire are not likely to wipe out the human race.
Nuclear weapons can wipe out the human race, but only if unleashed in massive quantities or in quantities sufficient to cause devastating climate change like nuclear winter. Someday, some whackjob is going to detonate a nuclear device, but the whackjob won't wipe out the whole human race in the process. Biological weapons can do just that.
Many people can't keep their hands off weapons. They love them. And what gets made eventually gets used.
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But abuse is a centimeter away (cloning botulism toxin into the flu virus anyone?)
What you just said is a lot more than a centimeter away. That's at least 4 years of hard, expensive work right there (for now anyway). And that would probably still be less effective at mass terror, by a longshot, than a pipe bomb or gun.
Brainy Indian girls (Score:2, Funny)
Ok, I know this is a bit off topic, but brainy indian girls are just oh so hot!
Bioshock (Score:2)
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Why am I imaging a dystopian world where we are buying genetic 'upgrades' ala bioshock suddenly becoming much closer to reality.
That's just the Plasmid Blues. You just need to slow down a bit on the splicing. Before you know it, you'll be as right as rain. Remember, a smart splicer is a happy splicer.
Don't be afraid... (Score:2)
They're my friends, Roy. I made them.
bioluminescense was a novelty once (Score:2)
This years toy is next years Nobel Prize?
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Those fish weren't bioluminescent. They were just colorful--especially under UV.
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The term is fluorescent.
I can't wait till After the Bomb comes true... (Score:1)
Or Kamandi, the last boy on Earth. Whichever post-apoc scenario it is, caused by people playing around with this kind of stuff.
Not that I'm opposed to genetic engineering as a whole, I just realize there's all sorts of consequences to it.
Bad idea (Score:1)
What could possibly go wrong?
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just as much as any other technology with great power. nitroglycerin can blow things up but it can also treat heart problems, nuclear energy can vaporize whole cities or it can kill cancer and produce clean power, synthetic biology can kill millions through germ warfare or it can cure disease, wean the US off oil, start us on a good path toward synthetic nanotechnology and many other things. The thing to remember is that anything can be used for good and as a weapon, the choice is ours. The technology in
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Nitroglycerin explosive is not the same as nitroglycerin for heart problems.
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Actually it is - only a lot more diluted. There are no 2 different kinds of 1,2,3-trinitroxypropane...
Marijuana/Tomato Hybrid (Score:1, Funny)
Wake me when someone has hacked the THC gene into the tomato. Just imagine the possibilities - a pizza that gets you high AND alleviates the munchies.
In all seriousness though. Wouldn't it pretty much end the marijuana legalization debate if somebody spliced THC genes into something as common and innocuous as the tomato? Or perhaps something invasive (and edible) like kudzu [wikipedia.org]...
[Posted anonymously so I can still pass the Google-test with potential employers.]
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Hmmm.. I forsee an endless, unstoppable cycle of pizza-eating.
Why we need more female scientists (Score:4, Funny)
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I think her real hidden agenda was to get the bacteria that favor warm, moist regions of the human anatomy to smell like anything other than sushi... a male scientist would never have thought of this approach.
She's indian, they don't smell like sushi on indians, they smell like achar. [wikipedia.org] And, speaking from experience, any guy who has had a mouthful of that has wished it tasted like altoids instead. But every indian girl I've ever met is practically addicted to the stuff, even the ABCDs.
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Of course not. A male scientist would look for a urinary tract infection that made salt & vinegar dressing taste like chocolate.
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a male scientist would never have thought of this approach.
More like "a scientist would never have thought of this approach", because this is actually incredibly simple. Almost any undergrad biology student knows how to do this, they'd just need the lab. Nobody's done this professionally before because it'd be considered a waste of time.
Enough with the doom saying, i want my cures. (Score:2, Interesting)
Rapid prototyping of biological systems, if it could be done as easier as a prototyping plastic, would be wonderful. Imagine a new disease discovered and resistant human cell/DNA, being manufactured within a couple of weeks. Doubt we'll get that though. What we might get at best
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Imagine a new disease discovered and resistant human cell/DNA, being manufactured within a couple of weeks.
I'm reminded of a former MD I had who lamented over the prospect of widespread use of anti-bacterial soaps which are now ubiquitous on store shelves. I suspect it wont be long 'till the next super-bacterium is discovered to be causing a range of new diseases.
Historically speaking, every generation has thought that it's latest scientific advancement would bring the cure to it's diseases. However, it has borne true that diseases have a way of evolving just as fast as the scientific advancements. I see
Hmm... (Score:2)
I wonder how long it'll take us to near perfect the cell phone and then decide to add it directly into our ears or something. (Where would be a matter of engineering or style.) Presto techo-telepathy added to the human genome. I think that we could really do it in less than a hundred years.
There are days that I wonder how long it'll take us to do that and then have most of our current tech apparently vanish in landfills and such and not be replaced. Give it a few generations and people would "forget" that w
In Forbes months ago (Score:3, Informative)
She was in Forbes magazine months ago (unless I get Forbes and Wired confused). Nope, google confirms it was Forbes and it was Aug. of 2008. [forbes.com]
Yea I find this both scary and REALLY cool. To read more about these technologies, read this blog post [blogspot.com] of links to similar stories.
More than smells (Score:4, Interesting)
Mint and Banana, eh? (Score:3, Funny)
But will she ever bioengineer a Shetty wall? Will the goddamn Mongorians break down her Shetty wall?
TED talk about this (and other, similar) research (Score:1)
Yeah, I already tried that... (Score:1)
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Yep but if you end up in surgery with severe internal bleeding you're screwed.
Not that O blood won't work they just won't give it to you because of your selfishness.
Obligatory xkcd (Score:2)
http://xkcd.com/419/ [xkcd.com]
Re:This doesn't give me warm fuzzies (Score:4, Funny)
Wait, now we're using that made-up plural form of virus as the SINGULAR form? Great.
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Just wait until I loose my synthetically engineered spelling-nazi bacterii...
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Just wait until I loose my synthetically engineered spelling-nazi bacterii...
The sad thing is that "bacterii" is almost less of a gross bastardization than "virii". Because even if you incorrectly assumed that virus would follow the "replace us with i to form the plural" rule, that would be viri with one 'i'. There is no reason or rule in English that would suggest "and then add an extra 'i' for no reason".
Bacteria may not even end in "us", but at least when you pluralize it as "bacterii" you aren't addin
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We've TRIED to introduce GM organisms into the wild and failed EVERY TIME.
Well, yeah. They're bankrupt. Once someone introduces Toyota organisms into the wild, look out!