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NASA Employees Fight Invasive Background Check 354

Electron Barrage writes "Longtime JPL scientists, many of whom do not work on classified materials, including rover drivers and Apollo veterans, sued NASA, Caltech, and the Department of Commerce today to fight highly invasive background checks, which include financial information, any and all retail business transactions, and even sexual orientation."
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NASA Employees Fight Invasive Background Check

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  • by oringo ( 848629 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @08:18PM (#20418891)
  • Levers (Score:5, Informative)

    by pete-classic ( 75983 ) <hutnick@gmail.com> on Thursday August 30, 2007 @08:23PM (#20418939) Homepage Journal
    If you peruse my website and/or posting history you'll see that I'm against almost everything the government does. That said . . .

    I held a TS with SBI once upon a time. The main reason for background checks, as I understand it, is to ferret out any levers that could be used against you by hostile agent. Too much debt? We'll get you out of trouble if you give us info. Cheating on your wife? With a man?! It would be a shame if we had to call her. Think of your kids.

    It's not that they're morally judging you, its that they're making sure that you're not unduly susceptible to influence.

    It's not fair, but it's not about fairness.

    -Peter
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30, 2007 @09:40PM (#20419545)
    Filling out a security clearance comes with a nice disclaimer that if you lie at all on the 50 pages that follow, they can prosecute you and send you to PMITA prison. And yeah you have to sign the sheet acknowledging that. And you have to acknowledge it to the investigator who gives you the nice face to face interview as well.

    Checking "yes, I have" does not automatically remove you from the clearance pool. Answering "Yes, I currently do" likely will though. I know several people with TS that answered yes. Not as huge of a deal as you might think.
  • by Iron Condor ( 964856 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @11:05PM (#20420195)

    Checking "yes, I have" does not automatically remove you from the clearance pool. Answering "Yes, I currently do" likely will though. I know several people with TS that answered yes. Not as huge of a deal as you might think.

    The current background check (on everybody who works at a federal facility - not just JPL) are pretty lenient:

    http://editthis.info/images/jpl_rebadging/a/ab/S uitability_Matrix_mods.pdf

    You have nothing to worry even if you are a regular pot-smoker, or were convicted of not paying your taxes, or committing any car-related offense short of vehicular manslaughter. I mean - Assault, Harassment, Forgery -- none get you into column "C"....

  • by Ernesto Alvarez ( 750678 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @11:13PM (#20420263) Homepage Journal
    It seems that NASA is implementing PIV-II. Those smart cards mentioned in TFA look like those mentioned in the FIPS-201 standard [nist.gov].

    Basically, everyone getting a PIV card has to pass a background check. However, it seems that asking those scientists and engineers about all that data mentioned in TFA is a bit excessive. The standard has an informational appendix (appendix C) that specifies what sort of checks should be done. It even specifies two levels of checks for different security levels. Looks like someone got a little bit too anal when deciding what checks to do. The checks mentioned in FIPS-201 seem reasonable, though. Can anyone that knows about background checks explain what they are exactly?

    The cards themselves seem pretty good. It is pretty clear that the designers of FIPS-201 cards do not trust the wireless interface, making all biometric/sensitive information available only on the wired interface, unlike those e-passports every government is promoting. Pretty interesting reading material.
  • Re:you missed one... (Score:3, Informative)

    by bware ( 148533 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @11:26PM (#20420359) Homepage
    Actually, since it is a government job

    It isn't a government job. JPL'ers are employed by Caltech, which is a private university.
  • by pecosdave ( 536896 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @11:26PM (#20420361) Homepage Journal
    I lucked out by not having to do it this time. Yeah it's invasive, but unlike them I work at the Johnson Space Center, I myself don't have access to classified data, but I'm just the other side of a wall from it. To me getting the background check and the low security clearance I have is sort of a mark of prestige and reliability. Honestly I wouldn't mind having a few more background checks if it means promotions, better pay, and more prestige. I'm at NASA for crying out loud, I'm glad they don't let just any schmuck off the street work here without some kind of clearance.

    On another note, I don't recall my 85P [opm.gov] form asking me if I was a homo or not, and I also don't recall retail transaction request. They did ask how much of what kind of debt I was in, I'm guessing to see if I was desperate for money or not. Yes they did ask about illegal drug use, but there was a time limit on it. I don't recall, but it wasn't to many years, four or so. All in all, I don't think much of the form was unreasonable, sure it was a pain in the ass to fill out, but it wasn't unreasonable.

    If you want to see the form for yourself, here it is [opm.gov].

    As for being at the JPL instead of the Cape or Johnson? Suck it up. This is for every federal position. Expect your postal carrier to be grouching about the form to.
  • Re:you missed one... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30, 2007 @11:36PM (#20420427)
    I might add that any contractor at any NASA center is subject to this equivalent of a personal cavity check. We recieve no official clearance for turning over our secrets, only the "privilege" of working for a company that contracts to NASA. (Or subcontracts, for that matter)

    Contractors are being screened first, actually. Civil Servants have already had a background check, so to resolve the glut of overdue checks, the government is hiring one of Bush's friend's companies to do all the screening. And once they do their screening - unlike any background check in the private sector - the information is available to any government agency complying with HSPD-12.

    Which, I believe, despite Griffin's protestations, is only NASA at this point.

    Posting anonymously for obvious reasons. I work at Ames.
  • Re:Pointless (Score:4, Informative)

    by sn00ker ( 172521 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @11:41PM (#20420465) Homepage
    I think you missed the point. These people do not have security clearances. That's most of the reason for their ire, since invasive background investigations are meant to be about ensuring people who work on matters of national security aren't open to improper influence.

    If you don't work on matters of national security, where is the concern with improper influence or motives? If someone's job puts them in a position where they might pose a threat to the safety of the country, they ought to be vetted and cleared appropriately. If not, filling out a questionnaire ought to be sufficient - though some of those questions are pretty fucking nosey, IMO, given that this is simply for getting an access card to allow you into places you've been going in the past anyway.

  • Re:Pointless (Score:2, Informative)

    by Karthikkito ( 970850 ) on Thursday August 30, 2007 @11:44PM (#20420489)
    Thing is, you don't really drive the Space Shuttle...it's pre programmed. And if you mention someone hijacking the computer and loading their own code, you've never seen a shuttle code review. You don't really land it until the end either, when it has no fuel left.

    Yes they have access to explosives at their jobs -- but so do the people who manufacture said chemicals and transport them, and last I checked, those employees didn't have to go through government background checks. There's a big difference between requiring a background check for a top secret job designing spy satellites and requiring one for a visiting professor doing research on solar physics -- research that is bound to be published.
  • Re:Pointless (Score:4, Informative)

    by iminplaya ( 723125 ) on Friday August 31, 2007 @02:45AM (#20421537) Journal
    We are entitled to freedom of speech. We are entitled to privacy. We are entitled to freedom of movement. We are entitled to enjoy the fruits of our labor. We are entitled to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, or something like that. Rights come from power, not weakness or acquiescing to authority. Nobody will give us any rights unless we are willing to take them. The rights you enjoy came from force. Not necessarily the force of arms, but they can be acquired through the force of unity. We are losing our rights due to our own divisions, nothing more. Too many of us are giving them up to false pretenses and promises. So if a company does not want to support the community, then the community has no reason to support the company. We can unite to put that company out of business. If they want our patronage, then they must provide something in return. It's a two way street. No violence required, but history has shown who usually draws first blood. It is generally well understood who steals the land and a person's livelihood. So, yes we are ENTITLED to something from them...if we are to allow them to maintain possession of stolen property. Otherwise we have every right to run them off.

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