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Kansas Adopts New Science Standards 868

porcupine8 writes "The Kansas State Board of Education has changed the state science standards once again, this time to take out language questioning evolution. This turnaround comes fast on the heels of the ouster given this past election to the ultra-conservative Board members who originally introduced the language. 'Science' has also been re-redefined as 'a human activity of systematically seeking natural explanations' (the word 'natural' had been previously stricken from the definition). If you'd like to see the new standards, a version showing all additions and deletions is available from the KS DOE's website (PDF)."
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Kansas Adopts New Science Standards

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 16, 2007 @11:51AM (#18038740)
    From one of the links, quote in Nov 2005:

    "This is a sad day. We're becoming a laughingstock of not only the nation, but of the world, and I hate that," said board member Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat.
  • The real news here (Score:5, Informative)

    by $RANDOMLUSER ( 804576 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:00PM (#18038852)

    The board also rewrote the standards' definition of science, specifically limiting it to the search for natural explanations of what's observed in the universe.
    The previous board had redefined "science" as not being limited to "natural explanations". That is: the supernatural has a place in science.

    Maybe we should go back to calling ourselves "natural philosophers" rather than "scientists".
  • Re:Eternal Vigilance (Score:5, Informative)

    by CmdrGravy ( 645153 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:07PM (#18038940) Homepage
    Scientific illiteracy is something a lot of people in the US seem to be putting a lot of effort into.

    This video is really disturbing: http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070206_evan gelicals_make_war_on_evolution/ [truthdig.com]

    Especially the poster which says "God Says it. I believe it. That settles it."
  • by peter303 ( 12292 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:12PM (#18039044)
    I saw it on Darwin's birthday five days ago. Its a Michael Moore kind of humor piece poking fun at the evolution debate making the rounds of science museums and film festival (Washington DC screening Thursday). The maker is former Harvard paleontologist turned full time film maker. The film claims the ID people are wrong and the scientists are terrible communicators.
  • by timster ( 32400 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:13PM (#18039064)
    If we evolved, then it was a matter of random chance.

    Well, with such an incredibly incorrect first premise, I'm sure you can prove about anything.

    Natural selection is not random.
  • by bigkahunafish ( 708759 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:30PM (#18039366)
    For those unenlightened individuals wondering about the "buttsexwithfishsquirrels" tag, you may want to refer to the South Park episode dealing with evolution. You can watch the clip right here. [religiousfreaks.com]
  • Full circle (Score:2, Informative)

    by Experiment 626 ( 698257 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:33PM (#18039414)

    The part about this story that bothers me is that a theory is being advanced by subjecting opposing views to "international ridicule" and censoring away any mention of controversy. Evolution proponents should be careful using such tactics. The notion that the prevailing dogma is beyond question and that all who doubt it must be denounced for their heresy is a concept that scientists helped us move beyond in the Renaissance, but occasionally wander dangerously close to adopting themselves. By all means, teach science, but don't become what you claim to hate in the process.

  • Re:"God Says it" (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:36PM (#18039474)
    The argument is that the people were overcome with the Holy Spirit when composing their stories, and thus it is the Word of God. Similarly with translators.
  • Re:good for Kansas (Score:4, Informative)

    by Rolgar ( 556636 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:48PM (#18039680)
    I think it works like this (I'm a Kansas Christian evolutionist). Most Kansas Christians (which are a majority here) that are conservatives care about 2 issues, good education for a low cost, and sex education (abstinence). A few radical fundamentalists, who believe that creationism vs. evolutionist is an important topic, run for positions with a platform that agrees with the majority of Kansas Christians, not advertising their support for creationism. When they got in a few years ago, they got a majority of the board, and got their way with the standards. We the voters just got our chance to vote these bums out, but now have to worry that we'll have to be concerned that the sex education standards will go to far the other way. Fortunately for me and my wife, we'll be sending our kids to Catholic schools, where things like evolution were taught, and creationism never was.
  • Re:Church vs. State (Score:5, Informative)

    by morgan_greywolf ( 835522 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:51PM (#18039716) Homepage Journal
    I'm sick of people with this semantical misunderstanding of the word 'theory.'

    There is less evidence in support of Newton's Theory of Gravity (or even Einstein's Theory of Relativity) than there is in support of the Theory of Evolution. The term 'law' has not been used in science for a very, very long time. The word theory should not be confused with the word 'hypothesis'. In science, a hypothesis is closer to how the common vernacular uses the term 'theory'. A hypothesis is just an idea based on observation. A theory is what grows from a hypothesis: Scientists continue additional observations and experiments over the course of time and use those results and observations to refine or refute the hypothesis. Eventually the hypothesis becomes sound enough to become a theory. A theory must be supported by multiple sources of available evidence; it must be repeatable, consistent, empirically testable, and falsifiable. It must be multiply reproducible. Yes, theories must admit that they might be wrong. But there are no absolutes in this world -- just as they must admit that they might be wrong, theories are also the soundest explanations for natural occurence that science has available.

    No matter how you slice it, Intelligent Design is not science. It doesn't hold up to the rigorous scientific scrutiny that scientific theories must hold up against. Evolution does. Intelligent Design is nothing more than religious dogma; it is not now, never will be, nor can it ever be by definition, a scientific theory.

    I have nothing against people having their children taught Creationism. But not in a science classroom. The time and place for studying Creationism is in a religious setting, not a science classroom.

  • Re:"God Says it" (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:53PM (#18039760)
    It's too bad they are synonymous. It means that the word 'Christian' has been watered down.

    You can NOT be a Christian and not also be a strict creationist. That's not possible with what a Christian is and should be. They can't be separated, and if you do, then you aren't truly a Christian.
  • by flynt ( 248848 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @12:59PM (#18039854)
    My point is, the Christian story seems ultimately grounded in the fact that at some point, humans were "pefect beings", uncapable of sin. Then, at some precise moment, man *chose* to become a sinful creature. If you believe evolution, how can you reconcile those two things? Did evolution lead to sinless humans? Was the first sin really a woman eating an apple?
  • Re:No Problem (Score:3, Informative)

    by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @01:12PM (#18040072) Journal
    There's nothing wrong with questioning evolution, or any scientific theory. There's something very wrong with trying to indoctrinate kids into your own brand of Biblical literalism, or trying to sneak your religion through the back door via the vapid, empty claims of Intelligent Design. In the Kansas case, they were attempting to redefine the concept of science itself. Do you think deceiving children is a good thing?
  • Inflammatory (Score:4, Informative)

    by rumblin'rabbit ( 711865 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @01:17PM (#18040186) Journal
    This posting seems unnecessarily inflammatory. There is no need to refer to these people as "ultra-conservative". There's a couple of reasons for my objection:
    • The term "fundamentalist Christian" is more accurate and to the point.
    • Conservativism and Christian beliefs are two quite different concepts. One can have conservative polital beliefs without being Christian, and vice versa. It's hard to see what political conservatism has to do with this event.
    • The word "ultra" suggests extremism. The reader can judge for him or herself how extreme the board members are. There is no reason for Zonk to draw conclusions for the reader.
    • Putting prefixes like "ultra" and "neo" in front of political words is often used as a disparagement, usually (I suspect) when the author has no idea what neo-conservatives or neo-liberals truly are. They just sound insulting.
    • The word "ultra" reminds one of "ultra-violence", a term from "A Clockwork Orange".
  • Re:"God Says it" (Score:5, Informative)

    by kripkenstein ( 913150 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @01:44PM (#18040662) Homepage

    Compare the Dead Sea Scrolls to modern Torahs and you'll find it's letter-for-letter exact in the parts where they overlap.
    Actually, that is false. A nice summary of this matter can be found here [psu.edu], pages 27-30 in the PDF version (note that the rest of the paper is interesting also).

    Some examples: (1) there is anywhere between 1 character in 20 and 1 in 2000 difference between the dead sea scrolls fragments and the current text; (2) truly identical copies of the Torah are found only from the 16th century on, and those are not handwritten; (3) even today there are slightly-different versions of the Torah in use, e.g. the Yemenite version differs in 3 characters from the Koren (which is perhaps the 'standard').

    So, by no means has the text been copied without error, at least not according to the people researching this topic.
  • by TurdTapper ( 608491 ) <{seldonsplan} {at} {gmail.com}> on Friday February 16, 2007 @02:12PM (#18041250) Journal
    So, as God, you lie to the people when they are too stupid, and then when they are supposedly 'smart' enough, you let them figure it out themselves.

    I'm afraid that's an idiotic suggestion.
  • by Iron Condor ( 964856 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @03:21PM (#18042462)

    Wish I had some mod points to push this above the parent!

    The one interesting thing I've read that I don't quite understand is how evolution doesn't seem to be a gradual process. Rather it comes in spurts which seems to imply that mutation isn't completely random.

    A mutation either happens or it doesn't. It is by definition a stepwise process, not a gradual one.

    What you find in the fossil record is not the stepwise occurance of mutations, though. It is the stepwise occurance of selective pressure. In a stable environment, the biosphere will diversify - whatever doesn't kill something will sooner or later develop and the maximum of complexity allowd bythe energy envelope of the niche will be achieved. THEN when a change in the environment occurs (some plain gets flooded or some such - yes, that includes asteroids and such) you will "suddenly" find a shift in the fossil record towards particular traits -- because those traits are the ones that allowed the survivors of the shift in selective pressure not to be selected against.

    There's all kinds of hair colors out there. If something happens tomorrow that'll kill all people except those with red hair, you will find that "there was this sudden shift towards red-hairedness in the early 21st century". This will not mean that there's suddenly been a lot of mutations leading to red hair, though.

  • Re:"God Says it" (Score:4, Informative)

    by mhollis ( 727905 ) on Friday February 16, 2007 @04:31PM (#18043572) Journal

    um ...

    The Pilgrims weren't all Puritans. In fact, the Mayflower Compact [historyplace.com] was writtten on board the Mayflower to try to prevent mutiny by the majority on that ship who were not in it for religious reasons but rather, for profit (which was the primary motivation for almost all colonies.

    Converting the people living in the Americas to some kind of faith or another was more the motivation of Spain, who had (in 1492!) only just rid the Iberian Penninsula of non-Christians. Occasionally, some of the English Colonists would pay lip service to this ideal, but it was rarely policy.

    The 37 Separatists (Puritans) fleeing religious persecution who were on board the Mayflower had set about trying to convert their fellow shipmates. And when it was discovered that they were strongly desirous of creating a theocratic movement in the new colony, their shipmates immediately threatened to let them off right where the boat was at the time (in the middle of the Atlantic) where they could set up their government in any way they preferred.

    Since the victors tend to write the history books, we tend to be particularly focused on these particular Separatists who narrowly missed setting up a theocracy in salt water. Over the course of the years following the original Mayflower landing, more Puritans emigrated and it is these people who began linking governance with their religion. They were primarily interested in making money, realizing the trade in shipbuilding timbers and exploitation of the costal fisheries was making a number of the colonists wealthy and land in the colony was available at low cost.

    And, rather than indescrimately kill all Native Americans, the earliest colonists were beneficiaries of a French trading mission that had passed through the area five years before the Mayflower landed, unwittingly exposing their trading partners to European diseases. It is said that influenza killed off half of the tribal population in the area the first year and when the Mayflower landed, the colonists found the land empty.

    This stands in sharp contrast to the Roanoke colony [nationalcenter.org] which lasted some 10 months, the survivors of which were returned to England due to increasingly hostile Native Americans.

    If you look at a map of New England, you'll see many towns and cities with the word "field" in the name. The reaon why this reoccurs is due to the habit of the Europeans referring to these areas as clearings. Now these areas wold not have been cleared had the Native Americans cleared them but, due to disease sweeping through the indigenous populations whenever contact was made with the Europeans, these clearings had been abandoned. Europeans called a "clearing" a "field."

    The Plymouth colonists' first contact with the Native Americans was in March, 1621, when Samoset, a Wampanouy, entered their encampment and began conversing with them in English, which he had picked up from English sailors in the area. Samoset and later Squanto, a Massasoit, were interested in these new white settlers because they wanted to form an alliance between them and their tribes in order to be able to fend off incursions from other tribes. They figured that the European technology might help them resist encroachment on their lands and that an alliance would help them both from a military standpoint and a trade standpoint. But the Europeans would never have been a consideration had their tribe not suffered substantial losses in population due to disease.

    Now, I have read history and part of it is due to my ancestry being from the founders of the Cape Ann colony, which settled in Massachusetts in 1623. Many relocated to Connecticut by the 1680s. While the Puritans were very strict in their adherence to the tenants of their religion, you have to understand that they did not try to convert Native Americans--that was just not their aim. I

  • Re:"God Says it" (Score:2, Informative)

    by CommunistHamster ( 949406 ) <communisthamster@gmail.com> on Friday February 16, 2007 @08:09PM (#18046368)
    Actually, his argument is "You argue God has no limits. The rules concerning whether to allow someone into Heaven are limits (these rules, you also argue, exist). Therefore God has limits."

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