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Too Few American Scientists? Maybe Not 607

An anonymous reader writes "We've been hearing about bad K-12 science education, too few American science and engineering students, and the real-soon-now employment nirvana in technical fields for, like, the last 20 years. The reality: rising undergrad enrollments and unemployment rates, long years as an underpaid postdoc for those who finish a Ph.D. The Chronicle of Higher Education article quotes Harvard economist Richard Freeman: 'They're not studying science,' he says, 'because they look and say, "Do I want to be a postdoc paid $35,000 or $40,000 at age 35, with extreme uncertainty working in somebody else's lab, and maybe getting credit for my work and maybe not getting full credit? Or would I rather be an M.B.A. and making $150,000 and hiring Ph.D.'s?"'"
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Too Few American Scientists? Maybe Not

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 10, 2004 @02:14PM (#9661786)
    I blame Microsoft, the RIAA, and the Patriot Act.
  • by kunudo ( 773239 ) on Saturday July 10, 2004 @03:00PM (#9662059)
    We are the upper management of the rest of the world.

    Get over yourself, arrogant prick.
    You are the PHB of the rest of the world... :)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 10, 2004 @05:44PM (#9662949)
    That's good for the society we have, silly.

    When you keep people unintelligent they'll work more diligently at their burger-pushing or paper-pushing jobs, because they won't be so nihilistic and disillusioned with the current system.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 10, 2004 @07:25PM (#9663343)
    I live in the Bay Area, and since all the women here are shallow and materialistic, I figure I don't have much of a choice

    Forget the locals. Do what all the big companies are doing -- outsource! Outsource yourself a bride. Like all outsourcing situations, you gotta put in even more effort to assure quality than you would for a local -- you really don't want to end up with a sub-par product. But, the benefit to you is that there is a vast supply of highly qualified brides just waiting for you to pick one (hell, pick two, they are cheap!).

    Seriously, there are plenty of well-educated, sincere and attractive women in other countries that would be quite happy to marry and settle down with an American academic. You may even find that some of them even have PhD's in biology -- you can both be low-paid but happily productive researchers together. Certainly, many foreign societies value scientists a lot higher than our consumerist one does, which will make you significantly more attractive to these women than you are to the local gold-diggers.

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