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New ISS Deal: NASA Astronauts on Russian Rockets, Cosmonauts on SpaceX Rockets (apnews.com) 48

"NASA astronauts will go back to riding Russian rockets under an agreement announced Friday," reports the Associated Press, "and Russian cosmonauts will catch lifts to the International Space Station with SpaceX beginning this fall." The agreement ensures that the space station will always have at least one American and Russian on board to keep both sides of the orbiting outpost running smoothly, according to NASA and Russian officials. The swap had long been in the works and was finalized despite tensions over Moscow's war in Ukraine, a sign of continuing Russia-U.S. cooperation in space....

No money will exchange hands under the agreement, according to NASA....

Friday's news came just hours after the blustery chief of the Russian space agency, Dmitry Rogozin, was replaced by President Vladimir Putin, although the move did not appear to have any connection to the crew swap. Rogozin was expected to be given a new post.

CBS News explains the NASA-Roscosmos agreement: "The station was designed to be interdependent and relies on contributions from each space agency to function," the NASA statement said. "No one agency has the capability to function independent of the others..."

Russia provides the propellant and thrusters, either on the station or visiting Progress cargo ships, to change the station's orbit and offset the effects of atmospheric drag. NASA provides the bulk of the lab's electrical power, the massive gyroscopes that help maintain the station's orientation and a station-wide computer and communications network.

Russian cosmonauts are not trained to operate U.S. systems and vice versa, meaning at least one astronaut and one cosmonaut must be aboard at all times. If either side pulled out, the other likely would have to depart as well, or quickly come up with alternative systems.

"NASA wants to operate the space station through 2030," adds CBS, "but Russian cooperation is required. And it's not yet known whether Russia will go along."
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New ISS Deal: NASA Astronauts on Russian Rockets, Cosmonauts on SpaceX Rockets

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  • So will the Russian cosmonauts get a free broomstick when they come to the US?

  • Why not have each side just send their own? Why send each astronaut halfway across the world before sending them up? Just eat your own dog food.

    "Mom, Johnny and I want to go to the movies, can you take me?"
    "sure. Tell Johnny's mom to bring you over here, I'll have your dad take you over to Johnny's house, then I'll drive Johnny to the theater, and Johnny's mom will drive you."

    Seems incredibly stupid to me.

    • Fosters cooperation and cross training on each others systems. Both sides figure that is how you keep the peace in dodge. The scary part I think is what happens when one side fails and take the life of a *naut with them. Will Spacex blowing up a Falcon9 or Dragon Crew cause animosity between the east and west? Will Roscosmos losing one of their birds be viewed as intentional? That sort of mishap has the potential to destabilize already strained relations.
      • Definitely not a good situation but there is a nice element of MAD to this since it's always a mix of astronauts. Not really a good tactical or logical motive to blow up rockets with live astronauts.

        I do imagine this does keep SpaceX and Roscosmos on their toes though, they would likely have the largest reputation hit.

      • Well, it would sure be something ... unusual. The last fatality with a Soyus was about 50 years ago, as far as I know.

    • Is the movie theater kind of expensive to get to due to being located 300 miles into space? :)

      • Is the movie theater kind of expensive to get to due to being located 300 miles into space? :)

        And is the presence of both kids required for the theater to be able to operate correctly, both now and in the future?

        Plus did one of the families invade a third family's house, claiming that family needed to be de-nazified?

        It seems like the OP's question ignores pretty much every relevant aspect of why the two countries are doing this.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Saturday July 16, 2022 @06:09PM (#62708686)

      Redundancy. Requires that both sides are familiar with the procedures on the other side and that you do by using it.

    • Why not have each side just send their own? Why send each astronaut halfway across the world before sending them up? Just eat your own dog food.

      There are US and Russian segments to the ISS and you want somebody from each side on orbit all the time.

      You also cannot be on the ISS without a system to return to Earth and you go down on what you came up on. In the event of a medical emergency that requires an astronaut or cosmonaut to return to Earth the whole crew has to return. So, if the US astronaut has an em

  • by MicroSlut ( 2478760 ) on Saturday July 16, 2022 @12:52PM (#62708154)
    "Russian cosmonauts are not trained to operate U.S. systems and vice versa." Not a good idea. I wouldn't operate a Starbucks without cross training.
    • It does have a "ridiculous plot point" quality to it, that you may expect in something like Plant 9 from outer space

    • In either case I imagine there are at least 2 trained native astronauts on oard to work everything.

      "Here are the emergency protocols, please stay out of the way".

      • In either case I imagine there are at least 2 trained native astronauts on oard to work everything.

        "Here are the emergency protocols, please stay out of the way".

        Time for some defectors to let the station keep going.

  • Russians stay involved for a price. The US gets the short end of the stick.
    • You're ignoring the fact that if the Russians pull out, the US might not be able to keep using the ISS - and the US definitely wants to continue doing so. So there is some benefit to the US as well.

      I, for one, and looking forward with some amusement to seeing how the Russian side explains this to their people - given that just a short while ago they were telling them we had no way to get to the station without Russia's launchers.

      • Also, Russia may even pay SpaceX

        In any case Putin will spin it as the West being dependent on Russia and begging for help

        • Also, Russia may even pay SpaceX

          Like Mexico paid for that wall?

          • rtfs: reports the Associated Press, "and Russian cosmonauts will catch lifts to the International Space Station with SpaceX beginning this fall."

            It is a fair assumption that if Russians are taking a ride on a SpaceX rocket, then they will pay some price for it as when Western astronauts have ridden on Russian rockets.

            I will leave the paying for walls in your hands

            • TFA mentions that it's purely a barter arrangement... Russia takes up one US astronaut, SpaceX takes up one Russian cosmonaut (and gets paid by NASA), and so on.

              Part of the motive is to allow more-frequent crew rotations, instead of stranding ANYONE onboard for 6-12+ months at a time. Pretty much everyone now agrees that long stays in space aren't necessarily fatal... but they really aren't GOOD, if only for the sake of the crew's mental health. ESPECIALLY as their average age trends upwards, and they have

  • I think Putin is going to fuck this job up as well.

  • by Grokew ( 8384065 ) on Saturday July 16, 2022 @03:25PM (#62708402)
    I just hope that some day we can all get along. Maybe if we voted for more engineers or farmers and less politicians and lawyers.
  • I just got done building my ultimate hot-rod project and now I have to let the neighbor drive it while I'm forced to drive his 1973 AMC Matador station wagon?!? WTH?

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