FDA Approves Mixing COVID Vaccines (apnews.com) 303
U.S. regulators on Wednesday signed off on extending COVID-19 boosters to Americans who got the Moderna or Johnson & Johnson vaccine and said anyone eligible for an extra dose can get a brand different from the one they received initially. The Associated Press reports: The Food and Drug Administration's decisions mark a big step toward expanding the U.S. booster campaign, which began with extra doses of the Pfizer vaccine last month. But before more people roll up their sleeves, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will consult an expert panel later this week before finalizing official recommendations for who should get boosters and when.
The latest moves would expand by tens of millions the number of Americans eligible for boosters and formally allow "mixing and matching" of shots -- making it simpler to get another dose, especially for people who had a side effect from one brand but still want the proven protection of vaccination. Specifically, the FDA authorized a third Moderna shot for seniors and others at high risk from COVID-19 because of their health problems, jobs or living conditions -- six months after their last shot. One big change: Moderna's booster will be half the dose that's used for the first two shots, based on company data showing that was plenty to rev up immunity again. For J&J's single-shot vaccine, the FDA said all U.S. recipients should get a second dose at least two months following their initial vaccination.
The latest moves would expand by tens of millions the number of Americans eligible for boosters and formally allow "mixing and matching" of shots -- making it simpler to get another dose, especially for people who had a side effect from one brand but still want the proven protection of vaccination. Specifically, the FDA authorized a third Moderna shot for seniors and others at high risk from COVID-19 because of their health problems, jobs or living conditions -- six months after their last shot. One big change: Moderna's booster will be half the dose that's used for the first two shots, based on company data showing that was plenty to rev up immunity again. For J&J's single-shot vaccine, the FDA said all U.S. recipients should get a second dose at least two months following their initial vaccination.
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I'm up in Canada, and the government here approved mixing of vaccines months ago primarily to expedite the rate at which people could get double vaxed, so I know quite a few people who got Astrazeneca first, and then either Pfizer or Moderna for their second. Only to learn about a month or two later that it wasn't going to be recognized as fully vaccinated in our neighbor to the south.
Glad to see that this issue didn't last terribly long.
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If you're gone for less than 72 hours you can take the test before you leave to meet the requirement.
What the hell is the point of that?
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Really? The mandatory PCR test required to return wasn't a factor for you?
Whoosh! I guess the user you're responding to should have added a "/sarc" tag.
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Actually, the US government approved the mixed doses about a week befo
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It might still be a problem, the U.S. never approved the Astra-Zeneca vaccine because AZ never finished the paperwork. So it's possible that a dose of AZ may not count for the U.S. requirements of being vaccinated. Depends who is making and enforcing all the small details I guess.
Port conflict? (Score:5, Funny)
How do the different tracking chips configure themselves? Are the drivers cross compatible? Finally, just what would be the color of thus screen of death?
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I mixed vaccines and can report that my 5g reception is excellent. Also Windows 95 is a great operating system.
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Thats great and all but.. (Score:2)
Are these vaccines simply not really that good like the many ones required when you are a child?
-Add ingredients, stir pot. Boo.
Re:Thats great and all but.. (Score:5, Informative)
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I'm not a doctor or even a medical student, but I think it has to do with the evolution rate of the particular disease. Maybe polio doesn't mutate at the same rate as covid. Can you give anyone polio? If not, I suspect it's a very slow changing disease where the developed vaccine works forever.
Covid has mutated numerous times and will probably continue to do so. Much like the flu, we will likely continue to see varies strains of covid for the foreseeable future and the vaccines will be constantly updated to
Re:Thats great and all but.. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Tetanus is a bad example. It is not a vaccine against the infection, but against the poison the bacteria produces.
But generally only a few vaccines last for a lifetime - usually live vaccines do.
The reason for covid boosters is to make sure the antibody count stays high in order to let the immune system react to the infection really fast, since the coronavirus can do a lot of damage in a very short time.
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I'm just going by the CDC, as they label the tetanus shot a vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/tetanus/index.html/A [cdc.gov]
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and it is, just not against the tetanus bacteria. same with diphteria
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yes, because it is obviously not a live vaccine - poisons aren't alive. iirc only typhoid and cholera live vaccines are short term and the bcg tuberculosis protection lasts "only" for two decades. all other live vaccines are for life.
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Not every vaccine is "one and done". Consider tetanus vaccine shots. As an adult, it's recommended to get one every 10 years. We also have flu shots, though that's due to different strains of flu.
It is a bit more complicated: Tetanus vaccination without boosters gives you some protection for life. But you can still get terribly sick without the boosters so it is a good idea to get them.
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It is not about the vaccine's lasting. The vaccine disappears from the body pretty quickly. It is about your body's immune system learning the virus structure and being able to respond to it.
People get the flu many times over their life and are not immune to more cases. Your body is just not that good at fighting respiratory tract infections. At least the upper respiratory tract kind.
The vaccine is very good at protecting people from severe cases that get into the lower respiratory tract.
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You mean you didn't know you should get one at least every decade?
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the vaccines I had to get when I was a child apparently last me a lifetime. What gives? Why not this?
Even those aren't necessarily providing lifetime protection, unless you are referring specifically to the measles vaccine -
most of the vaccines they give kids will have protection for a limited number of years on their own, but also some of the diseases they vacc against are childhood diseases mainly.
It depends on the virus and the course of infection, anyway - Look at influenza... They need a n
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No, you were lied to. Adults need booster shots too.
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No, you were lied to. Adults need booster shots too.
Depends. For some things you do not and some things are only dangerous for children. Example: The Mumps vaccination is usually for life. A few years back, I was unsure of whether I ever had gotten one. They can do a test and it nicely showed good protection over 40 years later. (Mumps does not kill you, but there are a few unpleasant possible side-effects.)
So you really need to look at each pathogen and each vaccine separately. They are all different. Sorry about that, I agree it would be nice if things wer
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Mutation. Immune response tapering off. For example, I just got a booster shot for Tetanus. Once base-vaccinated, it does not kill you anymore for life, but it can still make you terribly sick unless you get those booster shots about every 10 years. Also, some of those shots you got as a child are protection against something that is fatal or lethal only for children.
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yes, it's an evil plot to sell cheap vaccines instead of expensive medical treatments
CVS charged my insurance $40 for my COVID shots. Gardasil is something like $275 for the three shot adult regimen. other vaccines are just as cheap and save you tens of thousands of dollars of potential medical expenses payable to the same evil big Pharma
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/. has always been libertarian leaning, and full of armchair experts "poking holes" at work of actual experts. All far too intelligent to be manipulated by Facebook or Tucker Carlson, of course -- they "do their own research".
Yeah I'm disappointed too, but it's not much of a stretch when you think about it.
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I don't think "libertarian" means being in denial about reality and rejecting Science. It is possible that people in denial about reality and rejecting Science have a tendency to mistake themselves as being libertarian.
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/. may have been economically libertarian but politically it's pretty much mainstream.
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The comments are written sarcastically, basically mocking the various C
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Whenever stories about the Covid vaccine appear the comments truly frighten me. Exploding hearts, tracking devices, conspiracy theories?? Holy cow people, it's a vaccine to save your life and the loved ones around you. Yes, all vaccines ever created have had side effects in a very, very, very small minority of people. But spreading this other nonsense is just wrong. Stop believing the crap you see on Facebook and go get the damn vaccine.
Well said. It is truly sad that in this time and age when good information is available to anybody and everybody has at least a reasonable base-education, some people just refuse to use this access to actual facts and go for complete fabrications and fantasies instead.
I want to try them all! (Score:2)
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Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] ? ;)
My experience of the side effects (Score:2, Troll)
When I had my first Pfizer vaccination it was nothing, at first. Gradually I had intermittent chest pains, fever, thick saliva, confusion and legs so sore I could not sit down. I went to get the second dose and the hospital suggested I wait.
Two days later I was back in the hospital, in the ER as the side effects got more intense, it wasn't fun. Two weeks later (six weeks after my first dose) I'm still waiting to be cleared by the doctor for the second injection.
If there was accurate information about
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If there was accurate information about the seriousness of the side effects I probably would have remained a part of the control group until alternative vaccinations arrived.
I know what you mean. There is no accurate information [cdc.gov] available on possible side effects [mayoclinic.org] from getting any of the covid vaccines [cdc.gov]. None whatsoever [yalemedicine.org]. It's a virtual desert of information [hopkinsmedicine.org].
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If there was accurate information about the seriousness of the side effects I probably would have remained a part of the control group until alternative vaccinations arrived.
I know what you mean. There is no accurate information [cdc.gov] available on possible side effects [mayoclinic.org] from getting any of the covid vaccines [cdc.gov]. None whatsoever [yalemedicine.org]. It's a virtual desert of information [hopkinsmedicine.org].
All of the references you sent me weren't available when I had my first vaccination almost two months ago, let alone back in June when I first booked for my vaccination.
Whatever retrospective dopamine hit you are getting from the sensation of being "right", these are my experiences. I thoroughly researched to the limit of my understanding of these vaccinations as much as I could. In doing so I found the original FDA approvals for Pfizer vaccination was based on a cohort of 1542 individuals and that the
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-The Pfizer Phase III trials [nejm.org] (published December 2020) approval was based on enrolled 21,720 people who received the vaccine (and 21,728 who received placebo).
-The results were published last year. Even more followup was available by June. The tracked *all* side effects, not hospital admission: refer to the linked study.
-All vaccines receive the same liability protection and have for decades. It's standard, not something unique for covid vaccines.
If it's "your experience" you
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If so then your research is quite faulty. The phase 3 trial alone for Pfizer was on a cohort of 43661 individuals, and it was concluded on 18 nov 2020, FDA gave it the EUA on 2 dec 2020. Nothing where rushed here, that is just a myth being spread by anti-vaxxers so don't fall for it, the huge change here was that since money where no object here they could run the trials in parallel (usually you run them in sequence so as to not waste resources on something that might not work).
Personally I think the vaccines are relatively safe and much better than risks on the other side of the ledger (infection without prior vaccination).
However the two month observation window for phase 3 EUA is very much what I would categorize as rushed. The FDA required a 6 month window for EUA in children under 12.
It's one thing to justify a short window based on relative risk yet if you do that you don't get to dismiss the fact that you rushed. All moot now.
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In doing so I found the original FDA approvals for Pfizer vaccination was based on a cohort of 1542 individuals and that the tests of "safety" were based on hospital re-admissions
If so then your research is quite faulty. The phase 3 trial alone for Pfizer was on a cohort of 43661 individuals, and it was concluded on 18 nov 2020, FDA gave it the EUA on 2 dec 2020.
If you say so.
And seriously your side effects sounds very much like a panic attack, they happen quite frequently in mass vaccinations like these when there are also massive amounts of misinformation being spread on social media (and MSM for that matter). Now a panic attack is no laughing matter, but it have nothing to do with the contents of the vaccine.
I've already asked the doctors 1. Is this a muscular issue and 2. is it because I'm out of shape. So whilst I appreciate your internet diagnosis and your expert use of ESP, I think I'll stick with the opinion of my GP and the doctor at the hospital who has refused to administer the second vaccination dose twice now. I don't read social media. Instead I opted for courses on things that would further career while all this prattle has gone on.
This is the first time I've made a comment about c
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For the sake of conversation, lets say I believe you.
I spent the day in hospital hooked up to a EEG, blood tests and a bunch of other tests, I'm still waiting for the ESG results for final clearance to have the second vaccination. These are my experiences of the vaccine, I don't care what you believe.
For the sake of conversation, lets say I believe you. And youre protected quite well now. Unless you're immunocompromised.
I'm fit, my immune system is fine and I rarely get sick. I made my risk vs impact assessment based on the risk of load viral loads penetrating the blood brain barrier and damaging grey matter. That was the key impact I was not prepared to risk, so yeah I hope
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Yes, when I got my vaccine, I was not handed a huge pamphlet on the side effects of the vaccine I was handed one.
Yes, *when* I got my vaccine I was informed *after* what side effects I might encounter.
I take it you did not read yours or looked it up online.
Of course I read it, that's why I went to the hospital, it is what that pamphlet advised. How is that even relevant when compared to what I actually experienced. I consulted my doctor *before* I had the vaccine and was assured it was safe, yet this is what happened to me after a *single* dose.
If you are looking for re-assurance, I have none for you. I've had multiple blood tests to confirm if I can proceed with the s
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Dose 1 of Pfizer was an experience fraught with side effects for me, I accepted the risk, those were my experiences. What did you expect - the whole thing was going to be benign. You want to complain that my experiences make you feel uncomfortable?
I expected there might be side effects. You were presented with the side effects and took the risk; now you want to complain just to complain that you experienced side effects.
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Dose 1 of Pfizer was an experience fraught with side effects for me, I accepted the risk, those were my experiences. What did you expect - the whole thing was going to be benign. You want to complain that my experiences make you feel uncomfortable?
I expected there might be side effects. You were presented with the side effects and took the risk; now you want to complain just to complain that you experienced side effects.
What you didn't expect was to experience those side effects. Now that you've encountered someone who has experienced them it challenges you that I offered my experiences as a counterpoint to all those who say the vaccine is a benign experience. It is not.
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And how exactly do you know these are side effects and not some other pre-existing condition that could have been triggered by, say, a COVID infection as well and then likely would have been much, much worse? The vaccine may well have saved your live, no matter how crappy you feel at the moment. And yes, I was down 3 times for a day after 2 Moderna shots as well. The young, fit lady that vaccinated me was down 3 days after the first shot. Still a _very_ worthwhile trade-off.
In risk-management, you can accep
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And how exactly do you know these are side effects and not some other pre-existing condition that could have been triggered by, say, a COVID infection as well and then likely would have been much, much worse?
The hospitals recommendation was if you experience these symptoms go to the ER which I did and I have subsequently been refused the second dose twice - what am I to think if the doctors themselves are exercising caution? That is why the doctors have put me through a battery of tests to figure out what is going on. In any case what is the difference? Shortness of breath combined with chest pain and legs so sore I could not sit down. The symptoms weren't there before the vaccination and then they were. Th
It's a free for all! (Score:2)
Re:No thanks (Score:5, Insightful)
I understand that a person should generally be free to do whatever the hell they want to or with their own body, but when what a person does with their own body entirely creates an entirely unnecessarry risk to the health and safety of other people, then the buck really has to stop there. That's really just too bad if you don't agree. We live in a fucking society, and everyone has at the bare minimum an inherrent responsibility to ensure that they themselves do not willingly choose to endanger that.
And with COVID, unless you are showing symptoms or getting tested practically every single week, you don't actually know if you have it, and any lack of symptoms in you does not reflect the likelihood of or severity of symptoms in anyone you might pass it on to, so choosing to not get vaccinated is making a conscious choice to wholly unnecessarily increase the risk to people outside yourself. This is why it is nothing less than unconscionable to not do so.
It's one thing if you have a medical condition that precludes being able to accept a vaccine. That's not something you chose for yourself, so while you still technically do pose an additional risk to others in that situation, you can't really be faulted for it. But really, if the only people who didn't get the shot were genuinely people with such conditions, you'd long since have a situation where the majority of people who are vaccinated are still protecting those who cannot be, and this pandemic would be done and over with.
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Your comment is so far removed from reality that I expect there's little point in my suggesting that you actually look at the covid death rates among the vaccinated vs unvaccinated for yourself if you don't believe me. Literally every part of what you said above is factually incorrect.
Good luck.
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Polls are increasingly showing that We, the responsible members of society, are fed up to our eyeballs with the antivaxxer assholes who keep spreading the plague, terrorizing and demoralizing medical staff, and have the absolute fucking gall to demand everyone bow to their bullshit while they do it.
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If they were a good thing, healthworkers wouldn't need to be compelled into taking them, on pain of firing [nymag.com].
Your point is predicated on the incorrect notion that people are rational beings. They aren’t, but if they were you might have a point.
Meanwhile, here in reality, people still need to be compelled to wear clothes, put on seatbelts, not drive drunk, and get vaccinated for the benefit of everyone.
Also worth noting, vaccine mandates are not new. These vaccines may be new, but mandates aren’t, as anyone who has ever attended a public school in the US should know.
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You took the vaccine, because you expect it to protect you from illness.
Actually, I didn’t. If I were doing it again today, sure, it’d be for selfish reasons, but at the time I’d have waited a few more months for more data to come in before taking it for my own sake, had I been able to. Instead, an “essential” job I did during and after lockdown was about to put me in contact with the public, thus forcing my hand because of the significantly increased risk of becoming a vector to infect my family. I had legitimate misgivings about taking the vaccine, given that it was still early days and the data wasn’t where it’s at today, but I bit the bullet, took a measured risk, and got vaccinated to protect my family while they continued to isolate.
You may not believe me, but my motivation to get vaccinated truly was sacrificial, not selfish.
But the data is in now, and it’s conclusive. And unlike so many who engage in intellectually dishonesty by using “I want to see more data” as an excuse, my wife and I were actually earnest in that desire, hence why my wife held off when I got vaccinated, but then followed suit as more data came in.
And I couldn’t care less about what you said regarding these people’s feelings. I quoted and was clearly addressing your ludicrous claim that these people’s behavior is in any way an indication of whether or not these vaccines are good. It isn’t.
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Listen to yourself: I must be vaccinated for your protection? Seriously?
You want to argue semantics? Fine... Here [princeton.edu]:
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There are tons of people in the hospital and dying with the vaccine.
Setting aside the fact that that's a false statement, people die in car accidents every day. We still recognize the value of seatbelts in preventing death. And if a seatbelt were as effective at stopping death as these vaccines have been proven to be at stopping death, everyone would be trained from childhood to be wearing one and would with good reason be looking at you like you were a looney if you insisted you didn't want to do the same.
So itâ(TM)s not a preventable disease, at best the vaccines reduce the effects, but it doesnâ(TM)t stop spreading, sickness or death.
Do you complain as well that seatbelts don't keep you from getting into accidents when you fail to maintain safe distances from nearby vehicles? Take some personal responsibility and stop trying to imply that a highly effective thing is worthless because it can't keep you from hurting yourself in every situation. Few things in life are truly 100%, but these vaccines are roughly 99% effective at preventing death from COVID. Get over yourself for thinking you're making a profound statement in pedantically pointing out that outliers are a thing.
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There are tons of people in the hospital and dying with the vaccine. So itâ(TM)s not a preventable disease, at best the vaccines reduce the effects, but it doesnâ(TM)t stop spreading, sickness or death.
Nope. Not in actual reality. There is a tiny number of vaccinated people actually dying from COVID because no vaccine is perfect. There is a large number of _unvaccinated_ people dying from COVID. Seriously. Oh, and there is almost nobody dying as result of the vaccination.
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Among those are children, who while certainly not necessarily voluntariuly, do pose a significant threat vector for COVID, being a suubstantial portion of the population. The medical agencies need to get on the ball and approve the vaccine for children pretty much as soon as the vaccine developers do.
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I think it's more than just the percentage of vaccinated people being too low. For example the AstraZenica vaccine turned out to not be very effective with the Delta variant, and they are giving people Pfizer boosters now.
Even with the best vaccines though, people still get COVID and some symptoms, and pass it on to others. The protection offered against Long COVID remains to be seen, not enough time as passed to really know yet.
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What they appear to do and what they actually do are two different things.
The vaccine is 90% effective at preventing infection, and in turn, passing it on. The reason that it appears like the vaccine doesn't do much is because of the tendency for human beings to focus more on bad news than good. People who get vaccinated and in whom the vaccine was not effective are just as likely to pass it on as people who were not vaccinated, but that
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Robert Malone (assuming that Twitter account is real) is just bitter and twisted that he didn't get to the patent office.
https://www.theatlantic.com/sc... [theatlantic.com]
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The vaccines aren't enough because they don't appear to do much. My wife and I are both currently sick with COVID (but getting better). She's been vaccinated for a while, me not so much. Our symptoms were pretty similar, and so far it seems like duration is similar also.
Extrapolating from your two cases and at most a handful of others, to the realities faced by tens-upon-tens of millions of people is foolish, and if you're hanging around this place you probably know better and damned well should know better.
But this one... meh. I'll probably still get it, but so far none of them seem to be living up to the promise. At best they're more like the flu shot that might help the body fight the disease and hence lessen the severity, but have little impact on spread of the disease (and in fact, might contribute to spreading it by giving people a false sense of immunity).
I'm glad you're going to get the shot - but your "meh"-ness is doing a disservice to everybody. There have been countless people whose lives have been saved by Covid vaccines - and in the face of your attitude, the fact that the vaccine would be even more effective if m
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She's been vaccinated for a while, me not so much.
We really need a "-1, Asshole" moderation option.
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Sadly vaccines alone don't seem to be enough. The UK has a high level of vaccination, not far behind the EU, but the virus is ripping through the population because all the mask mandates have come to an end, they are trying to get everyone back in the office and contact tracing had been mostly wound down.
Well, even in the UK, most people getting really sick or dying are unvaccinated. Vaccines would be enough if everybody would take them. There is one pool that currently drives the pandemic that is not responsible, namely children. But the other pool is non-vaccinated adults and there is no excuse for that. Every adult that is still non-vaccinated without a strong, compelling medical reason at this time is a serious problem for society and should be treated as such. They are basically holding society hostage
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You tell 'em! And what about seat belts!
You wearing or not wearing a seat belt has no effect on anyone but yourself. You can't catch or transmit anything by wearing or not wearing a seat belt.
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The point being was that it's something that the government is mandating, and rsilverguns has a very "if it's the government telling me to do it, they can fuck off" vibe.
So far this thread is the answer to a troll's wildest wet dream. You do realize that "rsilverguns" is not the same as "rsilvergun" right? The former is a very new Slashdot user laughing at the lot of you, and at the editors who should have killed this account. The latter is a sensible long-time Slashdot user who wouldn't be caught dead saying the things you're getting upset about. Please keep an eye on the details of usernames and how large the user ID is and do not feed the trolls!!!! Don't be confused by a Timex masquerading as a Rolex.
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As it probably should be in most cases. If you want me to ignore something, have the government mandate it.
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Not true. Unbelted passengers become projectiles in a crash. That certainly affects other people. Unbelted drivers have much less chance of keeping the car under control as it throws them around.
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A little bit of sarcasm, yes. :)
I'd like to see those numbers, but I have to imagine that having seatbelt laws has saved more lives than not having seatbelt laws but people supposedly being more alert. I'm sure you're right and that some people see a seatbelt as a "I can drive however I want and the seatbelt will save me" type thing, but how many people overall think that way, really? The reason being, you can be the most defensive driver on the planet, but it doesn't mean much when someone clips you goin
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No one normal cares about covid at this point. You are going to die of heart disease, not covid.
You are completely mistaken. It is the other way round: Only complete deviants are not still concerned about covid. The mistake you are making is thinking you are "normal", probably because you have locked yourself into a filter-bubble with similarly deranged people.
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This is false. It is a frequently stated notion by the general public, but mathematics is not a popularity contest, and it is often not intuitive, so it's important that a person actually examine the numbers they are hearing to see where certain figures are coming from.
In a nutshell, the mRNA vaccines available so far are very effective at preventing infection as well. 90% effective [bmj.com], in fact.
And being effective against
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In a nutshell, the mRNA vaccines available so far are very effective at preventing infection as well. 90% effective, in fact.
You are citing outdated information. Pre-delta VE is 91%, post delta VE is 66% according to the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volum... [cdc.gov]
In a nutshell, the mRNA vaccines available so far are very effective at preventing infection as well. 90% effective, in fact.
As previously mentioned this study cites outdated pre-delta information that is now known to be useless.
"The study opened on the same day as the US vaccination programme, 14 December 2020, and most of the people vaccinated received their first shot within two weeks. The first week of January 2021 saw the highest rate of daily new infections yet seen in the US, about 250
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The one thing that is true is that if you are vaccinated and are one of the unlucky 10% or so for whom the vaccine does not successfully take, then it is the case that you are just as likely to catch and spread the virus as someone who was not vaccinated at all.
Actually, that is not quite true either. Your case still will be lighter and last shorter, hence less infections of others. And your probability of getting infected in the first case will still be lower.
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We are done with Covid. If the Democrats want to keep pushing this bullshit then go ahead. We are done with them too. Lets go Brandon!
Assuming you are unvaccinated (your post gives that impression), you might be done with covid, but that doesn't mean covid is done with you.
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I am vaccinated although I now regret it. Time to move on kids. You are going to die of heart disease, not covid. Big pharma and the Democrats will keep pushing this crap forever if you let them.
If there was a vaccine for heart disease, most people would gladly take it, but you would still have that small minority who are stupid.
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Darwin rules.
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Probably best to stick to the horse paste.
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Meanwhile in "every accusation is a confession" news: the actual disease conspiracy consists in the money that Regeneron donated to Florida GQP governor, Ron "Papa Nurgle" Deathsantis, who has both openly used his governor's pulpit to push antibody therapy as an *alternative* to vaccination and has fanatically done
Re: No thanks (Score:2)
I have no issue with an additional booster myself, but I could care less what anyone else does. Get it, donâ(TM)t get it. Doesnâ(TM)t matter to me. I agree, COVID is old news.
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We are done with Covid. If the Democrats want to keep pushing this bullshit then go ahead. We are done with them too. Lets go Brandon!
Way to shut out reality. You need to get help.
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Vaccination with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine reduces infections by 90%, while a single dose confers 80% protection, shows a study led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that followed essential workers through the worst months of the pandemic...
From the link you provided:
"The study opened on the same day as the US vaccination programme, 14 December 2020, and most of the people vaccinated received their first shot within two weeks. The first week of January 2021 saw the highest rate of daily new infections yet seen in the US, about 250â000 a day. Researchers stopped collecting data on 13 March."
In other words you are relying on out of date pre-delta data which is now completely useless.
Actual VE post delta is in the 40-75% range.
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Of the people who are catching COVID now, most of the infections are the delta variant, but an overwhelming majority of these are unvaccinated individuals. The fully vaccinated individuals who are discovered to be catching covid fall well within the statistically observed failure margin for the vaccine of 10%.
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Of the people who are catching COVID now, most of the infections are the delta variant, but an overwhelming majority of these are unvaccinated individuals. The fully vaccinated individuals who are discovered to be catching covid fall well within the statistically observed failure margin for the vaccine of 10%.
You are wrong.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volum... [cdc.gov]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.0... [doi.org]
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Vaccination with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine reduces infections by 90%
Note that according to the study, it could be up to 97% effectiveness.
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It is not about the concept of boosters but about making a huge issue of something which does not make a large difference.
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Boosters make sense for old people with weakening immune systems. For the others it is pretty much a case of diminishing returns. I don't understand why people make a big deal out of it. The full vaccination bit is nice, resulting in a 90% decrease of hospitalizations.
To actually get the pandemic to end, we need to keep up immunity and that means boosters. Sure, if _everybody_ was vaccinated, we could probably do without boosters, as not getting hospitalized or killed would be enough then. But there are still enough non-vaccinated idiots that the ones that can be reached by rational argument need to keep their immunity levels up.
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It is a very questionable claim that it is possible to end the pandemic and it is easily used to install ever more draconian measures. It is possible to reduce the harm it causes to a level where we can get on with things and drop harsh measures.